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Post by Jaysnow on Jan 13, 2022 22:08:04 GMT -5
She doesn’t belong in either. Just wandering around in cat-purgatory makes the most sense for her I think.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 13, 2022 22:15:53 GMT -5
Wonder how she and Mapleshade interact when they come across each other in the Dark Forest now that they are both evil She’s either managed to keep her distance, and remained hidden for all this time, or Mapleshade did away with her a really long time ago. Probably the 2nd one, since there’s no way they’d be in same dimension for long without 1 of them triumphant as the victor over the other.
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Jan 14, 2022 7:36:20 GMT -5
Frankly, I agree with your statement cats do have a natural swimming ability but it's just fiction book with humanize feral cats but in the real world cats CAN swim
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Post by ✦ GreatSwiftFoxz太阳的✦ on Jan 14, 2022 7:38:18 GMT -5
real cats also have natural swimming ability just like dogs but warriors wants to say "only riverclan cats can swim" Frankly, I agree with your statement cats do have a natural swimming ability but it's just fiction book with humanize feral cats but in the real world cats CAN swim
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 14, 2022 8:55:58 GMT -5
Wonder how she and Mapleshade interact when they come across each other in the Dark Forest now that they are both evil She’s either managed to keep her distance, and remained hidden for all this time, or Mapleshade did away with her a really long time ago. Probably the 2nd one, since there’s no way they’d be in same dimension for long without 1 of them triumphant as the victor over the other. Guess it depends. TNP and PO3 implied that meeting other cats in the DF was a rare occurrence, although those barriers appeared to break down in OOTS.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 13:12:34 GMT -5
She’s either managed to keep her distance, and remained hidden for all this time, or Mapleshade did away with her a really long time ago. Probably the 2nd one, since there’s no way they’d be in same dimension for long without 1 of them triumphant as the victor over the other. Guess it depends. TNP and PO3 implied that meeting other cats in the DF was a rare occurrence, although those barriers appeared to break down in OOTS. Victoria also said Frecklewish went to Starclan, yet here we are. Since nothing seems to ever stay consistent for more then an arc or 2, any guess would be viable at this point.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 13:13:52 GMT -5
real cats also have natural swimming ability just like dogs but warriors wants to say "only riverclan cats can swim" Frankly, I agree with your statement cats do have a natural swimming ability but it's just fiction book with humanize feral cats but in the real world cats CAN swim most cats also have a natural adversion to water and wouldn’t be caught dead swimming in it either. Besides for a few select species
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jan 14, 2022 18:22:10 GMT -5
Wonder how she and Mapleshade interact when they come across each other in the Dark Forest now that they are both evil She’s either managed to keep her distance, and remained hidden for all this time, or Mapleshade did away with her a really long time ago. Probably the 2nd one, since there’s no way they’d be in same dimension for long without 1 of them triumphant as the victor over the other. POV: You're Frecklewish hiding up a tree for thirty years praying that Mapleshade doesn't find you
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 18:27:09 GMT -5
She’s either managed to keep her distance, and remained hidden for all this time, or Mapleshade did away with her a really long time ago. Probably the 2nd one, since there’s no way they’d be in same dimension for long without 1 of them triumphant as the victor over the other. POV: You're Frecklewish hiding up a tree for thirty years praying that Mapleshade doesn't find you that would be hysterical to think about. On a more off-topic note, I’m thinking that Mapleshade is definitely going to be the main antagonist that returns to Riverclan in ASC. and will end up icing Mistyfoot(assuming she actually dies) since she’s one of the few remaining heirs of Appledusk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 18:50:01 GMT -5
POV: You're Frecklewish hiding up a tree for thirty years praying that Mapleshade doesn't find you that would be hysterical to think about. On a more off-topic note, I’m thinking that Mapleshade is definitely going to be the main antagonist that returns to Riverclan in ASC. and will end up icing Mistyfoot(assuming she actually dies) since she’s one of the few remaining heirs of Appledusk. if she kills mistystar i will become mapleshade’s biggest hater, i apologize in advance for the person i would become in this scenario lol
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 18:54:05 GMT -5
that would be hysterical to think about. On a more off-topic note, I’m thinking that Mapleshade is definitely going to be the main antagonist that returns to Riverclan in ASC. and will end up icing Mistyfoot(assuming she actually dies) since she’s one of the few remaining heirs of Appledusk. if she kills mistystar i will become mapleshade’s biggest hater, i apologize in advance for the person i would become in this scenario lol perhaps Frecklewish will come to Mistyfoot’s rescue😉 and Frostpaw if she ends up being any good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 18:58:52 GMT -5
if she kills mistystar i will become mapleshade’s biggest hater, i apologize in advance for the person i would become in this scenario lol perhaps Frecklewish will come to Mistyfoot’s rescue😉 and Frostpaw if she ends up being any good. lol! also that got me thinking, i wonder if the writing team has something planned for frecklewish. that’s the only reason i can think of for why they’re doubling down on this and providing an explanation. if her being in the dark forest is a plot point in an upcoming book, it would make sense for them to not want to change it
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 14, 2022 21:08:36 GMT -5
perhaps Frecklewish will come to Mistyfoot’s rescue😉 and Frostpaw if she ends up being any good. lol! also that got me thinking, i wonder if the writing team has something planned for frecklewish. that’s the only reason i can think of for why they’re doubling down on this and providing an explanation. if her being in the dark forest is a plot point in an upcoming book, it would make sense for them to not want to change it well they didn't wrap up the "broken code"/afterlife issues of the last arc. if they bring her back, i wonder if it's to portray her as a snowtuft-esque character -- someone who did wrong in her life, but came to sorely regret it and change for the better in the afterlife. it would tie nicely into the question of redeemable spirits.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 14, 2022 23:17:12 GMT -5
lol! also that got me thinking, i wonder if the writing team has something planned for frecklewish. that’s the only reason i can think of for why they’re doubling down on this and providing an explanation. if her being in the dark forest is a plot point in an upcoming book, it would make sense for them to not want to change it well they didn't wrap up the "broken code"/afterlife issues of the last arc. if they bring her back, i wonder if it's to portray her as a snowtuft-esque character -- someone who did wrong in her life, but came to sorely regret it and change for the better in the afterlife. it would tie nicely into the question of redeemable spirits. could be, though she regretted before dying, but you know, can’t think logically here. I hope they don’t just bring Frecklewish back, just to kill her, or if she succeeds in redeeming herself, then ffs they better make some necessary tweaks to the system, and allow them to cross-over to Starclan, especially given how unreliable their painting the judging system they implemented. If they don’t wrap up everything they brought up with their wacky changes in TBC during ASC, don’t know what I’ll do, but it won’t be good.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 15, 2022 6:51:44 GMT -5
I want to point out that every cat knew it was the rainy season by the way.
It was leaf-fall, they were having constant rain, clear weather was rare, and it was constantly mentioned how cold it was.. Kits are also forbidden from leaving the camp before six moons old for a reason, because outside of the camp is dangerous for them. Whether because of predators, the horrible weather, twolegs, and even other cats can pose a danger to them. Kits are vulnerable and helpless, and without any preparations or plans I doubt a queen, a cat that has known nothing but the clan all her life, would be able to properly protect and help her kits on her own. It's why she was so desperate to get them to the safety of RiverClan in the first place.
Mapleshade was a queen, with three vulnerable kits, who had no business being sent out with out ANY type of protection and escort off the territory. Period. There is no excuse, whether it started raining as they began to left, or whether it wasn't raining at all. And on top of that, Oakstar made it clear she and her kits weren't allowed to stay in both ThunderClan, or the boundaries of their territory, and his warriors had full permission to shred her. Frecklewish even stalks after her out of the camp, into the storm mind you, to make sure she leaves.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 15, 2022 8:06:27 GMT -5
I want to point out that every cat knew it was the rainy season by the way. It was leaf-fall, they were having constant rain, clear weather was rare, and it was constantly mentioned how cold it was.. Kits are also forbidden from leaving the camp before six moons old for a reason, because outside of the camp is dangerous for them. Whether because of predators, the horrible weather, twolegs, and even other cats can pose a danger to them. Kits are vulnerable and helpless, and without any preparations or plans I doubt a queen, a cat that has known nothing but the clan all her life, would be able to properly protect and help her kits on her own. It's why she was so desperate to get them to the safety of RiverClan in the first place. Mapleshade was a queen, with three vulnerable kits, who had no business being sent out with out ANY type of protection and escort off the territory. Period. There is no excuse, whether it started raining as they began to left, or whether it wasn't raining at all. And on top of that, Oakstar made it clear she and her kits weren't allowed to stay in both ThunderClan, or the boundaries of their territory, and his warriors had full permission to shred her. Frecklewish even stalks after her out of the camp, into the storm mind you, to make sure she leaves. Mapleshade took her kits out for a stroll in the forest in this same book. It’s not common but its not ~forbidden~. She also didnt express much desperation when she took the kits to RiverClan. She was angry and upset at ThunderClan, but not panicking, just thinking that RC was the logical place to go. I think you might be painting mothers as more helpless than they actually are. Yes, Mapleshade is used to a support system. Yes, raising kits alone is harder. But just because it’s less dangerous to raise them in a clan doesn’t mean the alternative is a death sentence. It’s a hard situation that was unfairly forced upon her and the kits — but exile doesn’t suddenly make Mapleshade incompetent. Also, as far as I could find, the temperature was only mentioned once in one of the sections you quoted. Every other reference to temp I could find was referring to the river water. But I could have just missed stuff.
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Post by kells on Jan 15, 2022 11:12:34 GMT -5
imo whether she deserves dark forest or not depends on if she knew the kits were in danger. Crossing a flooded river was absolutely stupid for Mapleshade, but at least she had the excuse of being severely distressed. If Frecklewish saw Mapleshade or any of the kits in danger and decided to not do anything about it yeah, put her in the dark forest, but if not? I don't think so
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 15, 2022 12:42:57 GMT -5
I want to point out that every cat knew it was the rainy season by the way. It was leaf-fall, they were having constant rain, clear weather was rare, and it was constantly mentioned how cold it was.. Kits are also forbidden from leaving the camp before six moons old for a reason, because outside of the camp is dangerous for them. Whether because of predators, the horrible weather, twolegs, and even other cats can pose a danger to them. Kits are vulnerable and helpless, and without any preparations or plans I doubt a queen, a cat that has known nothing but the clan all her life, would be able to properly protect and help her kits on her own. It's why she was so desperate to get them to the safety of RiverClan in the first place. Mapleshade was a queen, with three vulnerable kits, who had no business being sent out with out ANY type of protection and escort off the territory. Period. There is no excuse, whether it started raining as they began to left, or whether it wasn't raining at all. And on top of that, Oakstar made it clear she and her kits weren't allowed to stay in both ThunderClan, or the boundaries of their territory, and his warriors had full permission to shred her. Frecklewish even stalks after her out of the camp, into the storm mind you, to make sure she leaves. Mapleshade took her kits out for a stroll in the forest in this same book. It’s not common but its not ~forbidden~. She also didnt express much desperation when she took the kits to RiverClan. She was angry and upset at ThunderClan, but not panicking, just thinking that RC was the logical place to go. I think you might be painting mothers as more helpless than they actually are. Yes, Mapleshade is used to a support system. Yes, raising kits alone is harder. But just because it’s less dangerous to raise them in a clan doesn’t mean the alternative is a death sentence. It’s a hard situation that was unfairly forced upon her and the kits — but exile doesn’t suddenly make Mapleshade incompetent. Also, as far as I could find, the temperature was only mentioned once in one of the sections you quoted. Every other reference to temp I could find was referring to the river water. But I could have just missed stuff. Mapleshade took her kits out for a stroll when it wasn't raining and still got chided for it. Her attending a quick stroll with her kits, isn't nearly the same as her being exiled and her life being threatened if she stayed. If she wants to take her own kits out for a quick stroll during clear weather, I doubt many would question her. If she was planning to abruptly leave with them, and it began to storm, and this is BEFORE the secret got out, I highly doubt they wouldn't have sent a search party to ensure their safety and bring them back. Kits are not allowed to be outside the camp before 6 moons on their own period. It is dangerous. And exiling kits in general is morally disgusting. Mapleshade isn't a rogue, or a loner, again, all she's known was clan life, she literally begged for her and her kits to stay, but Oakstar used the omen as a reason to excuse kicking them out, on top of who their father was. Oakstar exiled them into unsafe conditions, and even more so, threatened all of their lives if they didn't leave. There's also plenty of other examples of the passage describing the weather and conditions as cold, damp, rainy, etc, throughout the novella. You also don't need to be panicking in order to show your actions are desperate? You can still be angry and still do something that is considered desperate. She was in the middle of a storm, and the fastest way to get her kits to safety was crossing the river into RiverClan territory to get to their father. And she was pressed for time considering the kits could catch hypothermia, and she couldn't stay in ThunderClan territory considering Oakstar gave the gung ho to beat the crap out of her if she was caught. Do I think Mapleshade could raise her kits on her own if given a better circumstance? Yes. I'm not saying she's incompetent, but you can't expect her to be ready take on the situation she was thrown into abruptly and expect perfect results. If it was a clear day, and she and her kits were escorted by a patrol to RiverClan territory, that would be a different story, but that's not what happened.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 15, 2022 13:21:30 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅: Touche. I can see your points. I'm not sure I agree about her acting desperately, but I think that's just a matter of personal interpretation. I do think their exile was cruel and unjust, and that banishing young kits was definitely putting them in danger. I'm just arguing against the notion that exiling them because it was gonna rain means Oakstar effectively marched them to their deaths. We may have to agree to disagree on that.
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Post by hollybloom on Jan 15, 2022 16:56:41 GMT -5
the fact that frecklewish is the only one of mapleshade’s victims to be exiled when oakstar and ravenwing get to enjoy eternal paradise is disappointing, to say the least. the fact that she’s there when cats who were far worse to kits (rainflower, russetfur, lizardstripe, etc) makes it far worse. as a refresher, here’s an excerpt of russetfur and her patrol blatantly neglecting a kit in pain from sunset.
meanwhile, while Frecklewish is given eternal torment, in night whispers we learn that russetfur is living it up in starclan
to put frecklewish in kitty hell while allowing russetfur to go to kitty heaven is highly hypocritical. especially given that ravenwing, who is always excused for simply being “young and inexperienced” since his mentor died before the events of the book also endangered the kits. knowingly so, in fact.
how is he less deserving of the dark forest, genuinely? ravenwing admits that the kits will suffer…and doesn’t plead for oakstar to reconsider. he allows them to be exiled just as frecklewish, oakstar, and the rest of their clan did: and how is he any better? he still allowed the kits to be in a dangerous situation, inexperienced or not. it would be one thing if frecklewish, oakstar and ravenwing were sent to the dark forest together, but the idea of frecklewish going to hell alone is entirely unfair.
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Post by cable on Jan 15, 2022 20:33:39 GMT -5
it would be one thing if frecklewish, oakstar and ravenwing were sent to the dark forest together, but the idea of frecklewish going to hell alone is entirely unfair. i think this needs to be discussed more lol. most people are talking about frecklewish alone, from what ive seen, but even as somebody who dislikes her out of spite, i will fully admit that oakstar and ravenwing were far more responsible for the situation from her. could she have done more? as the clan leaders daughter, sure, she could have tried telling oakstar not to exile the kits. but it was oakstars decision and ravenwings reveal that led to the situation, and at the end of the day, leaders daughter or not, shes still only a warrior. oakstar has already been shown in starclan in the books so it seems to be too late to retcon him into the dark forest, which is very unfortunate, because between him and ravenwing, hes the more despicable of the two, as clan leader. but i do think its worth examining why the two most responsible have gotten off scott-free, while frecklewish was given the full burden of punishment. the optimistic side of me wants to say this will be a central theme in the next arc, and it will actually be discussed how oakstar and ravenwing got off easy thanks to their status. but the cynic argues back that the new article on the website does not lean in that direction or acknowledge at all that other cats had more responsibility here.
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Post by hollybloom on Jan 15, 2022 22:12:56 GMT -5
it would be one thing if frecklewish, oakstar and ravenwing were sent to the dark forest together, but the idea of frecklewish going to hell alone is entirely unfair. i think this needs to be discussed more lol. most people are talking about frecklewish alone, from what ive seen, but even as somebody who dislikes her out of spite, i will fully admit that oakstar and ravenwing were far more responsible for the situation from her. could she have done more? as the clan leaders daughter, sure, she could have tried telling oakstar not to exile the kits. but it was oakstars decision and ravenwings reveal that led to the situation, and at the end of the day, leaders daughter or not, shes still only a warrior. oakstar has already been shown in starclan in the books so it seems to be too late to retcon him into the dark forest, which is very unfortunate, because between him and ravenwing, hes the more despicable of the two, as clan leader. but i do think its worth examining why the two most responsible have gotten off scott-free, while frecklewish was given the full burden of punishment. the optimistic side of me wants to say this will be a central theme in the next arc, and it will actually be discussed how oakstar and ravenwing got off easy thanks to their status. but the cynic argues back that the new article on the website does not lean in that direction or acknowledge at all that other cats had more responsibility here. yes exactly! if the erins turned this around by exploring how frecklewish got singled out while ravenwing, oakstar and plenty of other cats like rainflower got to live in starclan instead then it could be an interesting arc (assuming it was handled well). but like you pointed out, the article doesnt even want to entertain the idea of anyone besides freckle being responsible for this at all, despite it all being kickstarted by ravenwing revealing the kits heritage while knowing they would suffer for it in the end. :/
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Post by cable on Jan 15, 2022 22:18:35 GMT -5
i think this needs to be discussed more lol. most people are talking about frecklewish alone, from what ive seen, but even as somebody who dislikes her out of spite, i will fully admit that oakstar and ravenwing were far more responsible for the situation from her. could she have done more? as the clan leaders daughter, sure, she could have tried telling oakstar not to exile the kits. but it was oakstars decision and ravenwings reveal that led to the situation, and at the end of the day, leaders daughter or not, shes still only a warrior. oakstar has already been shown in starclan in the books so it seems to be too late to retcon him into the dark forest, which is very unfortunate, because between him and ravenwing, hes the more despicable of the two, as clan leader. but i do think its worth examining why the two most responsible have gotten off scott-free, while frecklewish was given the full burden of punishment. the optimistic side of me wants to say this will be a central theme in the next arc, and it will actually be discussed how oakstar and ravenwing got off easy thanks to their status. but the cynic argues back that the new article on the website does not lean in that direction or acknowledge at all that other cats had more responsibility here. yes exactly! if the erins turned this around by exploring how frecklewish got singled out while ravenwing, oakstar and plenty of other cats like rainflower got to live in starclan instead then it could be an interesting arc (assuming it was handled well). but like you pointed out, the article doesnt even want to entertain the idea of anyone besides freckle being responsible for this at all, despite it all being kickstarted by ravenwing revealing the kits heritage while knowing they would suffer for it in the end. :/ everybodys always asking why frecklewish didnt help at the river. nobodys ever asking why the kits were out in that damn storm in the first place instead of safe in the nursery.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 15, 2022 22:18:41 GMT -5
The problem is that, yes it's unfair, I agree, if it were up to me, Ravenwing and Oakstar would have gotten just as equal punishments. Along with horrendous cats like Rainflower, etc. However, just because they aren't sent, doesn't mean Frecklewish is any less deserving imo, it just means others are just as deserving to go to the Dark Forest too.
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Post by cable on Jan 15, 2022 22:21:21 GMT -5
The problem is that, yes it's unfair, I agree, if it were up to me, Ravenwing and Oakstar would have gotten just as equal punishments. Along with horrendous cats like Rainflower, etc. However, just because they aren't sent, doesn't mean Frecklewish is any less deserving imo, it just means others are just as deserving to go to the Dark Forest too. oh trust me, i am no fan of frecklewish, but i can understand the frustration that comes from punishments being so inconsistent. i dont think the freckle situation is worth the amount of attention its getting from the community at all, but i also cant help but wonder if it actually has to do with frecklewish, or if this just happens to be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back when it comes to the fandoms patience with the in-series afterlife rules.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 15, 2022 22:27:30 GMT -5
The problem is that, yes it's unfair, I agree, if it were up to me, Ravenwing and Oakstar would have gotten just as equal punishments. Along with horrendous cats like Rainflower, etc. However, just because they aren't sent, doesn't mean Frecklewish is any less deserving imo, it just means others are just as deserving to go to the Dark Forest too. oh trust me, i am no fan of frecklewish, but i can understand the frustration that comes from punishments being so inconsistent. i dont think the freckle situation is worth the amount of attention its getting from the community at all, but i also cant help but wonder if it actually has to do with frecklewish, or if this just happens to be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back when it comes to the fandoms patience with the in-series afterlife rules. Unfortunately, after being on tumblr and twitter the last week or so since the decision, the majority consensus is that "Frecklewish didn't do anything wrong and deserves to go to StarClan" they even made a hashtag for it. Which is cringeworthy tbh...I feel like that part of the fandom refuses to acknowledge that Frecklewish's actions are pretty punishable, and probably also stems from their hatedom toward Mapleshade's character too. But I do agree with the notion that if one of them is punished, all three should be, at the same time I disagree that if one is in StarClan, all three are deserving too. Especially since Oakstar outlived Raven and Freckle, and could have done more in his life. While Ravenwing was a "religious figure" in his clan as a medicine cat, and arguably was doing his "job" but imo his actions were still vile. But could have just been good enough for StarClan apparently. On the other hand, nothing Frecklewish did, action wise, was deemed redeemable, so I can see why she was the one that was thrown into the DF out of the three.
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Post by hollybloom on Jan 15, 2022 23:23:20 GMT -5
oh trust me, i am no fan of frecklewish, but i can understand the frustration that comes from punishments being so inconsistent. i dont think the freckle situation is worth the amount of attention its getting from the community at all, but i also cant help but wonder if it actually has to do with frecklewish, or if this just happens to be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back when it comes to the fandoms patience with the in-series afterlife rules. Unfortunately, after being on tumblr and twitter the last week or so since the decision, the majority consensus is that "Frecklewish didn't do anything wrong and deserves to go to StarClan" they even made a hashtag for it. Which is cringeworthy tbh...I feel like that part of the fandom refuses to acknowledge that Frecklewish's actions are pretty punishable, and probably also stems from their hatedom toward Mapleshade's character too. But I do agree with the notion that if one of them is punished, all three should be, at the same time I disagree that if one is in StarClan, all three are deserving too. Especially since Oakstar outlived Raven and Freckle, and could have done more in his life. While Ravenwing was a "religious figure" in his clan as a medicine cat, and arguably was doing his "job" but imo his actions were still vile. But could have just been good enough for StarClan apparently. On the other hand, nothing Frecklewish did, action wise, was deemed redeemable, so I can see why she was the one that was thrown into the DF out of the three. i think frecklewish and her grief is very interesting and i enjoyed seeing how she grieved differently from other characters, but i dont think she's entirely innocent. as interested as i am in her character she's not free from making bad choices like most of the cats in mapleshade's vengance do. personally im just very tired of the inconsistency of what afterlife cats go to, especially after ashfur went to starclan and brightflower was sent to the dark forest for being...mad with grief over her kits death (even if that was retconned). im not expecting good writing from warriors at this point, but its getting pretty frustrating seeing how inconsistent starclan and the dark forest's rules are getting, especially with how important the afterlife is to the warriors world.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jan 15, 2022 23:40:46 GMT -5
I feel like best case scenario to not cause too much of an storm, I’d have Ravenwing and Frecklewish both be in the Dark Forest. (As the person who revealed the truth, his fate has not been entirely decided here. He also lacks Oakstar’s excuse of living for a while later and potentially regretting his past actions through the use of time)
Plus it would be a first to have a medicine cat in the Dark Forest, which would be nice. A bit unfortunate that he’s also ThunderClan though.
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