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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 8, 2022 14:40:59 GMT -5
On a more serious note, lol; I do agree, there are way worse cats that deserve to be in the Dark Forest, but that doesn't mean I think Frecklewish is any less deserving, it's just that StarClan has been inconsistent about who goes there or not. But I think this really comes down to whether them doing the whole jury situation is recent (after Firestar joins StarClan) or if it's always been a thing, or at least only incorporated after the Mapleshade incident. We won't know. At the end of the day, Frecklewish, imo, is still a horrible person lol. She yelled at and "dehumanizes" children in front of her entire clan, attacks their mother right before their eyes, encourages her father to kick them out into a rainstorm, stalks after them with hostile intent, watches them drown, and does nothing to lift a finger to help them (whether that was going in to save them herself, calling for help from the patrol she knew was nearby, or running back to get help physically, etc.), and then ironically attacking a grieving mother with the intent to kill her after being called out which led to her own demise. If Frecklewish truly cared about those kits, and truly felt bad for what happened to them then she as a funny way of showing it. She only saw those kits as an extension of her brother, she never actually cared about them, and clung to them, using them to cope as much as Mapleshade used his name as a coverup. The moment she found out who the father actually was she slashed at Mapleshade's face repeatedly, called them creatures, and demanded them ALL to be exiled. Grief is not an excuse for how she behaved, nor is it an excuse for her leaving them to drown. She actively saw children in danger and went "Whelp that's none of my business" and left. Even if she didn't want to dive in to save them, there were other things she could have done, and because she didn't try at all, it shows her true intent. The article is only confirming it. Imagine seeing a child and mother drowning, knowing a life guard is nearby, and then doing nothing to help with their rescue. I never personally expected Frecklewish to fling herself in to help, but if she at least TRIED, I feel like that would have said more about her character than anything else. Her supposed love for those kits was only limited to how they were related to her brother, and regardless of if they were actually his, her leaving them to drown was disgusting. She also proved, when she attacked Mapleshade later, that her anger toward Mapleshade obviously out does her supposed grief towards the kits deaths.
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Post by Spooky Alice on Jan 8, 2022 15:38:36 GMT -5
This article basically said "unreliable narrator? never heard of her". Regardless of personal feelings on frecklewish and mapleshade and all that basically saying "what happened as presented is exactly 100% how it actually happened" weakens what made mv good in the first place
but also they really just slap whoever they want into the dark forest huh im so bored of the whole thing
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Post by rabbit on Jan 8, 2022 15:53:26 GMT -5
This article basically said "unreliable narrator? never heard of her". Regardless of personal feelings on frecklewish and mapleshade and all that basically saying "what happened as presented is exactly 100% how it actually happened" weakens what made mv good in the first place but also they really just slap whoever they want into the dark forest huh im so bored of the whole thing Unrealible narrator means that Mapleshade’s POV is distorted, not completely wrong. Looks like the article chose to interpret Mapleshade’s take on Frecklewish as actually close to the truth. I do agree that MV is better if it is left for reader interpretation to see where Mapleshade is or isn’t right.
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Post by why on Jan 8, 2022 15:57:05 GMT -5
No, is she morally right? No. But she doesn’t deserve literal hell. Frecklewish was a loving 2nd mother to Mapleshades kit until she revealed the truth, she attacked maple probably upset and grieved that the kits father was her apprentice (if I’m remembering right he also killed Flowerpaw) and brothers murderer she Did call the kits ‘ half clan creatures ‘ and she wished death on maple but realistically she couldn’t have saved the kits. It was probably hard to see cause it was raining, if she called to the patrol she would distract them. She couldn’t call for help because Thunderclan wouldn’t hear her, she couldn’t dive in because she would have been another cat to save, she couldn’t find a stick because by time she got back it would have been to late. She didn’t kill the kits, she didn’t watch them die, she wasn’t seeking pleasure in their deaths. She even felt grief when she heard from maple they died. She is innocent in the kits deaths, she doesn’t deserve to be in actual hell. Stop painting her with the villain brush unless you paint Rainwhisker or Oakstar with the same brush
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Post by Spooky Alice on Jan 8, 2022 16:13:48 GMT -5
This article basically said "unreliable narrator? never heard of her". Regardless of personal feelings on frecklewish and mapleshade and all that basically saying "what happened as presented is exactly 100% how it actually happened" weakens what made mv good in the first place but also they really just slap whoever they want into the dark forest huh im so bored of the whole thing Unrealible narrator means that Mapleshade’s POV is distorted, not completely wrong. Looks like the article chose to interpret Mapleshade’s take on Frecklewish as actually close to the truth. I do agree that MV is better if it is left for reader interpretation to see where Mapleshade is or isn’t right. I know what an unreliable narrator is? I don't know how my post implies that I don't know what it is- I'm saying the issue with the article is that they're saying her perception that Frecklewish wanted the kits to die is correct, which undermines the point of an unreliable narrator edt: to further clarify what im saying is that like, the authors shouldn't have said anything one way or another on it. i mean i don't think warriors is high brow lit or anything but they tried for somethign and it's annoying that they're backtracking to keep pushing the DF when it's long since run into nonsense
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Jan 8, 2022 16:14:43 GMT -5
Geniuely asking, what type of help did you want Frecklewish to get? How did you want her to solve the problem? Diving into the river would end up with her drowning. Calling to the RiverClan patrol? A raging river and a rainstorm combined are very loud, it would take a lot of time for the patrol to actually hear her and pay attention to her, it would probably be too late. Directly trying to tell the RiverClan patrol? She could fall into the half-submerged stepping stones, probably slippy and she could slip and fall into the river when trying to cross into their territory.
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Post by rabbit on Jan 8, 2022 16:15:51 GMT -5
Unrealible narrator means that Mapleshade’s POV is distorted, not completely wrong. Looks like the article chose to interpret Mapleshade’s take on Frecklewish as actually close to the truth. I do agree that MV is better if it is left for reader interpretation to see where Mapleshade is or isn’t right. I know what an unreliable narrator is? I don't know how my post implies that I don't know what it is- I'm saying the issue with the article is that they're saying her perception that Frecklewish wanted the kits to die is correct, which undermines the point of an unreliable narrator I know tone doesn’t translate well across the internet, but I promise I wasn’t agruing with you or trying to correct you. lol
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Post by Spooky Alice on Jan 8, 2022 16:18:06 GMT -5
I know what an unreliable narrator is? I don't know how my post implies that I don't know what it is- I'm saying the issue with the article is that they're saying her perception that Frecklewish wanted the kits to die is correct, which undermines the point of an unreliable narrator I know tone doesn’t translate well across the internet, but I promise I wasn’t agruing with you or trying to correct you. lol oh okay sorry im not great with reading tone to begin with and today's been A Day x.x
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Post by rabbit on Jan 8, 2022 16:20:50 GMT -5
I know tone doesn’t translate well across the internet, but I promise I wasn’t agruing with you or trying to correct you. lol oh okay sorry im not great with reading tone to begin with and today's been A Day x.x Yeah sorry Icould have worded it better so I was being less redundant to what you said.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 8, 2022 17:23:57 GMT -5
I... struggle to understand what you wanted her to do. Mapleshade throws accusations at her that probably made Frecklewish feel a lot more guilty of their deaths. She even admits it later on. It is only after Mapleshade calls her a fox-hearted coward that she attacks, probably only in a moment of anger. Tell me, was she supposed to bend over and constantly beg for forgiveness? Have a therapy session with her? Just because Mapleshade was a devastated mother, dosen't mean she didin't use her dead brother as a tool and manipulate her, insult Frecklewish, trespass into TC territory, challenge her into a fight, and accuse her of their deaths. And after all of that, Frecklewish isin't allowed to have a moment of anger, because that inmmediately means going to the Dark Forest? Especially when she didin't even touch Mapleshade, and it was only a moment of blind rage? She dosen't deserve going to literal hell when she didin't do anything besides having some intrusive thoughts in a moment of anger. I think attacking the grieving mother because she got smacktalked is a bit excessive, doubly so if one believes she was going for the kill (saying you wish someone is dead while charging them aggressively is probably considered a threat on their life). This isn't a matter of honor, Mapleshade is an exiled and destitute wreck who has no standing whatsoever to damage her name any further. As for what Frecklewish could have done, hilariously enough she could have just called the patrol like she threatened to do. Or maybe displayed some form of contrition that isn't immediately negated by her flying into a rage and threatening to kill Mapleshade. That kind of makes the "regret" angle look really unconvincing and I don't believe it at all. A moment of anger is one thing, this was a long string of horrible decisions starting with the camp fight, neglecting kits in danger, and then continuing to show not a lick of sympathy and being ruled by her rage. One could make the argument that given time to get over it, she could have become more calm. But she squandered that chance by jumping straight into an adders' den, and in that regard she is no different from the likes of Clawface who got the Dark Forest when none of his compatriots did. Probably because Clawface killed a medicine cat lmao.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 8, 2022 17:37:51 GMT -5
I think attacking the grieving mother because she got smacktalked is a bit excessive, doubly so if one believes she was going for the kill (saying you wish someone is dead while charging them aggressively is probably considered a threat on their life). This isn't a matter of honor, Mapleshade is an exiled and destitute wreck who has no standing whatsoever to damage her name any further. As for what Frecklewish could have done, hilariously enough she could have just called the patrol like she threatened to do. Or maybe displayed some form of contrition that isn't immediately negated by her flying into a rage and threatening to kill Mapleshade. That kind of makes the "regret" angle look really unconvincing and I don't believe it at all. A moment of anger is one thing, this was a long string of horrible decisions starting with the camp fight, neglecting kits in danger, and then continuing to show not a lick of sympathy and being ruled by her rage. One could make the argument that given time to get over it, she could have become more calm. But she squandered that chance by jumping straight into an adders' den, and in that regard she is no different from the likes of Clawface who got the Dark Forest when none of his compatriots did. Probably because Clawface killed a medicine cat lmao. I really doubt killing a medicine cat makes him worse than Blackstar killing an elder and killing a warrior in a dishonorable fight
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 8, 2022 18:06:25 GMT -5
Probably because Clawface killed a medicine cat lmao. I really doubt killing a medicine cat makes him worse than Blackstar killing an elder and killing a warrior in a dishonorable fight I never said Blackstar wasn't bad? When did I even mention Blackstar. This is a discussion about Frecklewish and you were talking about Frecklewish.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 8, 2022 18:07:02 GMT -5
okay but like
the fact is even if she couldnt be heard over the waves
the fact is
she didnt even try??
Like yeah if they cant hear you, they cant hear you
but most people would still try and call for help, just out of instinct
she didnt thats
really bad
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Jan 8, 2022 18:14:04 GMT -5
Cheetahstar She might've tried, but I'm not sure if she even knew the kits weren't found yet or even if she called for help at all as it's never stated in the book MV I don't think.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 8, 2022 18:18:35 GMT -5
okay but like the fact is even if she couldnt be heard over the waves the fact is she didnt even try?? Like yeah if they cant hear you, they cant hear you but most people would still try and call for help, just out of instinct she didnt thats really bad We don't know if she tried or not. The article is extremely biased and they try to make up things so they can justify putting Frecklewish into hell.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 8, 2022 18:25:28 GMT -5
okay but like the fact is even if she couldnt be heard over the waves the fact is she didnt even try?? Like yeah if they cant hear you, they cant hear you but most people would still try and call for help, just out of instinct she didnt thats really bad We don't know if she tried or not. The article is extremely biased and they try to make up things so they can justify putting Frecklewish into hell. but its canon, atleast in the mind of the erins
but i consider spottedleafs heart not canon so i can get if people dont think this is canon either
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Post by Aqua on Jan 8, 2022 19:54:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just glad they made an article on this at all. At the same time though, I still can't help bit feel like this article is being kinda unfair? I don't know, according to GC, Frecklewish was noted to have had "sad, haunted" eyes, so take that as you will, I guess. It's not. The only reason why I defend Frecklewish at all is because she acted out of grief. That's the only reason she did this - because Mapleshade lied to her, and used her grief for her own benefits. It's messed up that Mapleshade did this to her, so I understand why she lashed out. Mapleshade doesn't care.
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when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Jan 8, 2022 19:56:48 GMT -5
btw how's stumpytail doing over in cat hell too
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Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 8, 2022 20:02:30 GMT -5
@saint Ambrosef your absolutely correct, there’s more holes in the religious beliefs and purgatory/afterlife that’s conceptualized in the series, and it’s only becoming more inconsistent as the series progresses and more ridiculous decisions like Frecklewish being tossed to The Dark Forest. When Russetfur who watched Berrykit suffering in the Fox trap, and and her last moment being Maliciously taking one of Firestar’s Lives before being killed by Lionblaze. Both incidences she’s described as relishing and taking intense enjoyment from, and didn’t regret or show remorse in any capacity, yet she went to Starclan. so by the very loose, and outrageously flimsy logic and observable rules of what considers someone condemnable to kitty hell in-universe, religious/philosophical derivations and potentially used spiritual material for inspiration aside, Frecklewish is being very unfairly judged imo. Cheetahstar the problem with the reasoning behind their decision to send her to the Dark Forest is what’s pointed out by several people on this thread, and many people on Reddit that have ranted about the same thing as well. They setup the scenario so that she’s being condemned for Negligence to the kits safety, while there’s already multiple cats being observed to be offering assistance to the situation, and that the only way of redeeming herself so she’s worthy of going to Starclan is by throwing herself into a flooding river where she has roughly 80%+ chance of drowning in the process, which basically means she needed to throw her life away needlessly, in a futile attempt to rescue kits that she would of been ill-equipped to safely and effectively do so, in order to be seen with favor in Starclan’s eyes to be saved from the Dark Forest, which is very messed up imo. Anyway we’re just gonna have to agree to Disagree. Because there is nothing that could be said that’s going to convince me she’s worthy of being condemned for eternity, as that would be directly contradicting everything I’ve been taught to believe. The nonsensical logic used is equivalent to someone being charged with murder and sentenced to death simply because they witnessed a murder, but didn’t report to the police department because they saw someone already calling them. Mapleshade imo is solely responsible for her kits death and blame falls on no one else’s shoulders but hers, yes Oakstar could of been lenient and not of exiled her right and there, but Mapleshade also could of easily found someplace sheltered to wait out the storm and crossed the River over to Riverclan under more favorable conditions, and avoided the whole fiasco. But then we wouldn’t have much reasoning for her being in the Dark Forest either.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 8, 2022 20:05:29 GMT -5
I really doubt killing a medicine cat makes him worse than Blackstar killing an elder and killing a warrior in a dishonorable fight I never said Blackstar wasn't bad? When did I even mention Blackstar. This is a discussion about Frecklewish and you were talking about Frecklewish. You have missed the entire point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying Frecklewish=Clawface in moral badness, the comparison I am making is that she is in a similar position to Clawface vs his compatriots. That is to say, they died while in a bad spot and so got the Dark Forest while their compatriots who did the exact same things didn't because they had the fortune to live longer and do good things later. I am not saying she is morally equivalent to Clawface, it is simply an analogy for why she'd be in the Dark Forest while some others may not be.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 8, 2022 20:08:29 GMT -5
Cloudstormbut what im saying is this article implies that she did NOTHING not even call out if she had called out, even if no one would have heard, it would have been something to show she cared
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jan 8, 2022 20:13:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just glad they made an article on this at all. At the same time though, I still can't help bit feel like this article is being kinda unfair? I don't know, according to GC, Frecklewish was noted to have had "sad, haunted" eyes, so take that as you will, I guess. It's not. The only reason why I defend Frecklewish at all is because she acted out of grief. That's the only reason she did this - because Mapleshade lied to her, and used her grief for her own benefits. It's messed up that Mapleshade did this to her, so I understand why she lashed out. Mapleshade doesn't care. No amount of grief justifies you watching kits drown. The point people are trying to make (and the article) is that Frecklewish sees they're drowning and doesn't even call out. If you are in a situation where you see someone you hate's children drowning? You aren't going to shrug and walk away - because they're children and they're innocent and you're going to panic. If Frecklewish had called out (even if she couldn't have been heard), it would have shown that she at least had some semblance of caring But she didn't try according to the article (and it's also pretty much stated in MV, as Nettle pretty much says she didn't stick around to watch the ending). She just saw what was happening, shrugged, and left
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 8, 2022 20:17:16 GMT -5
A lot of people are laboring under the impression that the article wants Frecklewish to jump into the river, but it does not in fact suggest she do this. I genuinely don't know where people are pulling this idea from, the article doesn't say this. The only time the article comes close to implying this is this line
" She doesn’t bother to even watch to make sure that the kits—who until that day, she had claimed to love—are rescued, much less make any attempt to save them herself, or to call for help. "
This line though doesn't imply her throwing herself into the river. And you know how we know that? Because Appledusk saved Mapleshade from the river without having to enter the water. He called out a branch for her to grab onto and then just hauled her from the branch onto the shore without touching the water. Frecklewish could have told any of the kits the same thing and they could have grabbed that branch and gained a few more seconds, she could have grabbed a branch herself from the forest if she felt brave and dunked it into the water. And naturally, as the article says, she could have also called for help from the Riverclan cats.
THAT is what the article condemns her for, that she didn't even bother to try nor put in so much as a modicum of effort into it. The excuse that the river was too loud doesn't hold much water, as Mapleshade, in spite of being waterlogged and concussed, heard Appledusk just fine in the middle of the river. Even if the river was too loud, why not even bother to try?
The "SHE'S BEING CONDEMNED FOR NOT BEING WILLING TO KILL HERSELF, WOW THAT'S AWFUL!" is a massive strawman take which is not remotely indicated in the article.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Jan 8, 2022 20:21:18 GMT -5
Cloudstormbut what im saying is this article implies that she did NOTHING not even call out if she had called out, even if no one would have heard, it would have been something to show she cared the Riverclan Cats were already helping to the best of their abilities, what exactly is calling out going to accomplish? And just because she doesn’t call out, isn’t conclusive reasoning to say she doesn’t care, as she’s shown to care in some capacity at least for the kits later on, and any intervention she theoretically could of offered wouldn’t of made any difference to the outcome, and just would of most likely resulted in her needlessly dying. And the article is basically implicating the message “ if your a witness to a tragedy, and don’t needlessly throw your life away even though you know the odds are very much staggered against your favor, your an awful person and condemnable to hell for eternity, which is a horrible message imo. Her only offense apparently now negligence due to inaction, which her intervening would of had a high probability of making any difference to the outcome, except one more life being lost in the midst.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 8, 2022 20:26:36 GMT -5
The "SHE'S BEING CONDEMNED FOR NOT BEING WILLING TO KILL HERSELF, WOW THAT'S AWFUL!" is a massive strawman take which is not remotely indicated in the article. i think that has more to do with what some users are suggesting, rather than what the article says. before this article came out, there was a somewhat common argument about whether frecklewish was guilty for not trying to physically rescue the kits herself. anywho, im willing to consider the article as canon Word of God. most of my past arguments were based on the fact that nobody actually knew what Frecklewish actually did and so most theories amounted to mere speculation. that's not an issue anymore. its just kinda sucky that if this was the canon understanding of Frecklewish from the beginning, that the writers didn't make it at least a little clearer in the original source material.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jan 8, 2022 20:27:07 GMT -5
Cloudstorm but what im saying is this article implies that she did NOTHING not even call out if she had called out, even if no one would have heard, it would have been something to show she cared the Riverclan Cats were already helping to the best of their abilities, what exactly is calling out going to accomplish? And just because she doesn’t call out, isn’t conclusive reasoning to say she doesn’t care, as she’s shown to care in some capacity at least for the kits later on, and any intervention she theoretically could of offered wouldn’t of made any difference to the outcome, and just would of most likely resulted in her needlessly dying. And the article is basically implicating the message “ if your a witness to a tragedy, and don’t needlessly throw your life away even though you know the odds are very much staggered against your favor, your an awful person and condemnable to hell for eternity, which is a horrible message imo. Her only offense apparently now negligence due to inaction, which her intervening would of had a high probability of making any difference to the outcome, except one more life being lost in the midst. The Riverclan cats WEREN'T helping when Frecklewish was there, that's entirely the problem. They were there, Frecklewish saw them and Mapleshade struggling, but the Riverclan cats hadn't seen Mapleshade yet or understood what was happening. Frecklewish left BEFORE they saw Mapleshade and her kits, that's why calling out could have made a huge difference. And again, drag a branch into the river, tell the kits where the next branch is, advise the Riverclan cats where the kits are so they can find them faster, any number of things she could have done which don't involve any personal risk to her. No one is saying she should have jumped into the river.
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dnacat
But courage need not be remembered, for it is never forgotten.
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Post by dnacat on Jan 8, 2022 20:37:13 GMT -5
The "SHE'S BEING CONDEMNED FOR NOT BEING WILLING TO KILL HERSELF, WOW THAT'S AWFUL!" is a massive strawman take which is not remotely indicated in the article. i think that has more to do with what some users are suggesting, rather than what the article says. before this article came out, there was a somewhat common argument about whether frecklewish was guilty for not trying to physically rescue the kits herself. anywho, im willing to consider the article as canon Word of God. most of my past arguments were based on the fact that nobody actually knew what Frecklewish actually did and so most theories amounted to mere speculation. that's not an issue anymore. its just kinda sucky that if this was the canon understanding of Frecklewish from the beginning, that the writers didn't make it at least a little clearer in the original source material. See, my conflict is that I don't know whether to take this as Word of God, because these are "Erins" who didn't write the book they're talking about. Vicky wrote Mapleshade's Vengeance and Vicky said that, in her own opinion, Frecklewish probably went to StarClan. This is someone else taking her work and manipulating it, maybe because Frecklewish is gonna pop up as a minor or even major villain in ASC (which is the only reason I can think of as to why they're sticking so tightly to their guns). I don't know, to me it just feels like someone taking someone else's work, skimming it and blatantly misunderstanding it to get their own point across if they're not doing all of this cause of ASC. If they write a novella where Frecklewish sits and cackles menacingly in the background of the kits' death, then, sure, whatever, I'll still be bitter but it'll be canon. (Also, I know I used very harsh language here, I just want to clarify that I know this is a team whose probably getting paid to say it and obviously they aren't rubbing their hands together evilly while sending Frecklewish to the Dark Forest just to piss me off.)
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Post by Spooky Alice on Jan 8, 2022 21:01:50 GMT -5
So out of curiosity regarding what Frecklewish should have done (as a whole, counting calling for help) I've decided to text my brother for his expertise since he's trained for water rescue. I'll post if he ever gets back to me
Also while I often don't take things like this as word of god canon I figure it's going to shape what we see of her in the future, so it's as good as.
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🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle)
I didn't get thunder yet but the one thing I wonder abt has been spoiled so should I still buy?
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on Jan 8, 2022 21:05:31 GMT -5
Whether she's there or not, I just want people to stop invalidating other people's thoughts and opinions on the matter. I love battle cats but ick.😔 I do still find it crazy this all started by putting a little blob on a specific spread page tho, that'll always be comedy in my eyes
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 8, 2022 21:16:07 GMT -5
Geniuely asking, what type of help did you want Frecklewish to get? How did you want her to solve the problem? Diving into the river would end up with her drowning. Calling to the RiverClan patrol? A raging river and a rainstorm combined are very loud, it would take a lot of time for the patrol to actually hear her and pay attention to her, it would probably be too late. Directly trying to tell the RiverClan patrol? She could fall into the half-submerged stepping stones, probably slippy and she could slip and fall into the river when trying to cross into their territory. I think you're missing my point. It's not about her possibly being unable to help, it's about her not even trying period. Did she even try to call for the patrol she knew was around, or for anyone at all? Nope. Did she even try to run back to the rest of her clan to get help? Nope. Did she even offer to help Mapleshade and the kits get to RiverClan when they were exiled? Nope. Did she defend the kits as least when Mapleshade and them were being persecuted? Nope. She did none of that. She didn't even try. All she did was just encourage them being put in danger. And who's to say that she couldn't get through to the patrol? Who's to say they couldn't hear her if she yelled out to them? Will we ever know for sure? Probably not, because she never even bothered. She looked at a mother and her children and shrugged before leaving thinking, "Oh yeah the life guard will get them eventually, they're fine". Honestly, if Mapleshade saw Frecklewish at least trying to signal help for them, whether through yelling attempts or running along the river to get someone's attention, or if Mapleshade found out from Nettlepaw that she tried to get help over just watching them drown and then walking away, it would be much easier to give her the "benefit of the doubt". In fact, Mapleshade doesn't even turn her anger towards Frecklewish until after finding out what she did from Nettlepaw. Imagine how different the scenario would be if she knew that Frecklewish actually cared about her kits over just seeing them as just an extension of her brother before.
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