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Post by KittyClearsight on Apr 19, 2020 14:32:26 GMT -5
I just really miss my best friend right now. It had been a few weeks before this all even started when I last saw her and I just really wanna tackle hug her
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 21, 2020 21:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by Northstar3213 on Apr 23, 2020 14:09:10 GMT -5
I’ve heard rumors that there’s at least two different strands. One from China and one from Europe and that the one from China is what’s in California and the other is over here on the east coast
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Post by Gold on Apr 23, 2020 19:58:39 GMT -5
There’s likely to be far more than that — with such a wide spread, there’s likely to be some genetic drift/mutations that create minor distinctions between different populations of virus in different parts of the world. Overall though there hasn’t been some sort of major mutation such as the kind that requires an updated yearly flu vaccine, because, frankly, the virus hasn’t actually been facing any real pressure to do so |D
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 25, 2020 14:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 25, 2020 15:22:28 GMT -5
that's such a misleading headline omg. uvc rays kill the virus, which are normally filtered out through the ozone layer and never reach us but can be artificially created as a sanitizing tool, but the reason it damages the virus is bc it attacks genetic material so you shouldn't use any sort of uvc lamp on your skin either. very bad journalism. the actual sun rays that would kill it never reach us, and if they did we would be dead.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 25, 2020 15:30:45 GMT -5
and just to follow up that is exactly why the president's advice to use light (presumably uvc) on humans / yourself to is so inept and dangerous. uvc lamps or cleaning tools are for professional and surface use only and increase your risk of cancer of you use them on yourself.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 25, 2020 16:44:49 GMT -5
and just to follow up that is exactly why the president's advice to use light (presumably uvc) on humans / yourself to is so inept and dangerous. uvc lamps or cleaning tools are for professional and surface use only and increase your risk of cancer of you use them on yourself. wasn't he also saying that people could kill the virus by injecting themselves with lysol? either way i wish people would just let scientists figure this stuff out and stop trying to make up "cures" for the virus that make no sense. like with the hydroxychloroquine thing that people were speculating about a few weeks ago, now people who actually need the drug can't get it
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 25, 2020 18:17:51 GMT -5
and just to follow up that is exactly why the president's advice to use light (presumably uvc) on humans / yourself to is so inept and dangerous. uvc lamps or cleaning tools are for professional and surface use only and increase your risk of cancer of you use them on yourself. wasn't he also saying that people could kill the virus by injecting themselves with lysol? either way i wish people would just let scientists figure this stuff out and stop trying to make up "cures" for the virus that make no sense. like with the hydroxychloroquine thing that people were speculating about a few weeks ago, now people who actually need the drug can't get it literally this. the fact that literal clickbait fodder is being distributed as public health awareness is... sick
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 25, 2020 18:33:05 GMT -5
wasn't he also saying that people could kill the virus by injecting themselves with lysol? either way i wish people would just let scientists figure this stuff out and stop trying to make up "cures" for the virus that make no sense. like with the hydroxychloroquine thing that people were speculating about a few weeks ago, now people who actually need the drug can't get it literally this. the fact that literal clickbait fodder is being distributed as public health awareness is... sick pretty soon youtubers are gonna be posting videos like “I FOUND THE CURE FOR CORONAVIRUS!!! (NOT CLICKBAIT) (STORYTIME)”
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Post by Aku on Apr 25, 2020 21:00:35 GMT -5
and just to follow up that is exactly why the president's advice to use light (presumably uvc) on humans / yourself to is so inept and dangerous. uvc lamps or cleaning tools are for professional and surface use only and increase your risk of cancer of you use them on yourself. wasn't he also saying that people could kill the virus by injecting themselves with lysol? I haven't really followed either side of it, just seems like a major miscommunication on both ends. But, from what I've read, he was actually referring to UV lights, which is something hospitals can use to disinfect and sterilize things. I'm not one to properly explain UV lights and using it as a disinfectant as I'm not very familiar with this topic myself, but I found this article on all the various uses for UV lights!
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 25, 2020 21:15:22 GMT -5
wasn't he also saying that people could kill the virus by injecting themselves with lysol? I haven't really followed either side of it, just seems like a major miscommunication on both ends. But, from what I've read, he was actually referring to UV lights, which is something hospitals can use to disinfect and sterilize things. I'm not one to properly explain UV lights and using it as a disinfectant as I'm not very familiar with this topic myself, but I found this article on all the various uses for UV lights! again: do not use uv light if you aren't a trained professional. the UV light capable of killing a virus is uvc, which can do so because it attacks genetic material. don't use that if you're not a professional. other commercial lamps use uva normally, which again still can cause a higher risk of cancer. whatever those uses are it is 100% not worth the risk as opposed to whatever the alternative would be.
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Post by Aku on Apr 25, 2020 21:17:31 GMT -5
I haven't really followed either side of it, just seems like a major miscommunication on both ends. But, from what I've read, he was actually referring to UV lights, which is something hospitals can use to disinfect and sterilize things. I'm not one to properly explain UV lights and using it as a disinfectant as I'm not very familiar with this topic myself, but I found this article on all the various uses for UV lights! again: do not use uv light if you aren't a trained professional. the UV light capable of killing a virus is uvc, which can do so because it attacks genetic material. don't use that if you're not a professional. other commercial lamps use uva normally, which again still can cause a higher risk of cancer. whatever those uses are it is 100% not worth the risk as opposed to whatever the alternative would be. Oh, you might have me misunderstood. I'm 100% not advocating for doing this yourself. Always talk to medical professionals before doing anything like this. Politicians are not doctors and should never be treated as such.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 25, 2020 21:54:30 GMT -5
again: do not use uv light if you aren't a trained professional. the UV light capable of killing a virus is uvc, which can do so because it attacks genetic material. don't use that if you're not a professional. other commercial lamps use uva normally, which again still can cause a higher risk of cancer. whatever those uses are it is 100% not worth the risk as opposed to whatever the alternative would be. Oh, you might have me misunderstood. I'm 100% not advocating for doing this yourself. Always talk to medical professionals before doing anything like this. Politicians are not doctors and should never be treated as such. ahhh okay when you said various uses i thought you were implying like home uses or something lmao
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Post by Gold on Apr 25, 2020 21:59:15 GMT -5
And here I thought that we wouldn’t have the POTUS suggesting something even more dangerous than untested drugs with known dangerous side effects, but here we are trying to shoot down UV tans and Lysol injections.
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Post by Aku on Apr 25, 2020 22:02:47 GMT -5
Oh, you might have me misunderstood. I'm 100% not advocating for doing this yourself. Always talk to medical professionals before doing anything like this. Politicians are not doctors and should never be treated as such. ahhh okay when you said various uses i thought you were implying like home uses or something lmao That's valid lol I did leave it a bit vague, but that's mainly because I didn't want to accidentally give inaccurate info on this topic, figured it was best to leave it all up to article to go over o7
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Post by Leapkit on Apr 25, 2020 22:09:16 GMT -5
new cure 4 coronavirus!!!! its rat poison.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 26, 2020 0:32:57 GMT -5
holy shit i can't stand trump but i am fed up with the whole internet blindly believing everything the media says about him. he never suggested people do anything of the sort. he was literally just repeating what he was just told by medical experts, in the video you can see him confirming every other sentence with them to make sure he's got it right. he's very likely referring to internal UV disinfectant, which is an actual medical treatment. "disinfectant" does not refer just to hand sanitizer. never once does he suggest people should inject themselves with bleach or lysol or anything similar. here's the original video and transcript, please watch it yourself and note how he interacts with the professionals off-stage to confirmtranscript below the cut too: "So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful." he's basically saying "for people who are interested in knowing how they will progress with this new knowledge [of how light affects the virus], these are the things that they're gonna try, im personally wondering if maybe they can do this other thing based on what they've said, but we'll see"
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 26, 2020 1:02:51 GMT -5
i understand where you are coming from on this. a lot of people that think trump is inept will look for any excuse to prove it, even if the situation is taken out of context. however, this situation was an example of exactly what you aren't supposed to do as a leader during a public health crisis, and it was an inexcusable and non-debateable example of a complete lapse in judgement. trump's job is to guide the public on proven and effective measure while laying out the future plan. when he speaks from the podium, the assumption is that what he is saying is correct; when he muses, rambles, and speculates, he is giving his musings the same stature as the facts and statistics he tells. this is incredibly similar to when he touted and unproven, potentially dangerous drug and the public responded by buying that drug en masse because of his speculation, and because he is speaking from a position of authority and supposed truth. by making statements like he did about uv light, he is encouraging people to take those as fact and take matters into their own hands. also, according to transcript, dr. birx herself said that sunlight (in the context of what we experience outside as opposed to sun rays) was not a treatment, and he basically ignored her. additionally, his actions afterwards indicate that he himself Knew he had made a mistake. we know this because he turned around and said he had asked the question "sarcastically," basically admitting it's absurdism. He Did Not Ask It Sarcastically, and this was an obvious attempt to cover up what even he perceived as a mistake. trump knew his actions were wrong. hold him accountable for it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 26, 2020 1:07:36 GMT -5
im not arguing whether what he did was smart or good. i can see how people could misinterpret he said, personally to me it seemed pretty clear that it's just speculation. however a president should be speaking with clarity on such pressing matters. but the amount of people running around claiming he's telling everyone they should inject lysol and bleach into their lungs is absolutely untruthful hyperbole, and that's not acceptable either.
big difference between criticizing his open speculation of possible UV treatment at the podium VS actively telling people to do deadly things. if we're gonna criticize him, its gotta be about something he's actual done.
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Post by Gold on Apr 26, 2020 1:12:31 GMT -5
The role of devil’s advocate is blessed and always needed, but frankly I need to shut this down.
Here is a quote from the transcript quoted where he suggested injecting disinfectant.
The only concession I give is that his word salad is carelessly worded enough that I can’t be immediately sure if he’s referring to the fact that the fumes are poisonous, or that he is suggesting that the toxic chemicals will travel to the lungs. Knowing Trump, it’s likely the latter.
Indeed, ultraviolet light is used to kill pathogens, and there are genuine medical treatments for it. However, these medical treatments are limited to skin conditions such as psoriasis, and the amount of UV is specially controlled because too much UV exposure can cause its own slew of health problems, including skin cancer. Ultraviolet radiation is used mostly in medical settings as a way to sterilize a non-living surface. That’s the only time I’ve ever used UV, and for the life of me I can’t find any mention of some sort of interior UV treatment for the body.
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Post by argyle lechuga on Apr 26, 2020 1:14:45 GMT -5
the amount of people running around claiming he's telling everyone they should inject lysol and bleach into their lungs is absolutely untruthful hyperbole, and that's not acceptable either. big difference between criticizing his open speculation of possible UV treatment at the podium VS actively telling people to do deadly things i agree 100% with the first half. luckily ive seen mostly individuals do that and none of the television or literary media i watch, but it's still a dangerous sentiment. the second half i feel like i could potentially go into but it would just be a semantic thing n very unnecessary at the current time of an hour after midnight (edit: gold went into this n i don't feel like actually arguing / debating which is why i avoided it. in my understanding, trump is saying "a hypothetical injection of disinfectant is a potential path researchers could choose to take if they want to" which is. not at all what was represented and a terrible move)
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 26, 2020 1:40:40 GMT -5
The role of devil’s advocate is blessed and always needed, but frankly I need to shut this down. Here is a quote from the transcript quoted where he suggested injecting disinfectant. The only concession I give is that his word salad is carelessly worded enough that I can’t be immediately sure if he’s referring to the fact that the fumes are poisonous, or that he is suggesting that the toxic chemicals will travel to the lungs. Knowing Trump, it’s likely the latter. Indeed, ultraviolet light is used to kill pathogens, and there are genuine medical treatments for it. However, these medical treatments are limited to skin conditions such as psoriasis, and the amount of UV is specially controlled because too much UV exposure can cause its own slew of health problems, including skin cancer. Ultraviolet radiation is used mostly in medical settings as a way to sterilize a non-living surface. That’s the only time I’ve ever used UV, and for the life of me I can’t find any mention of some sort of interior UV treatment for the body. i'm very confused what you mean by fumes and toxic chemicals? i'm not sure what is being referenced here. unless you think he's talking about alcohol disinfected like hand sanitizer or something. which again, i'm fairly certain he's talking about a hypothetical use of UV disinfection method on the human body since that's what the rest of his speech was about.
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Post by Leapkit on Apr 26, 2020 2:40:07 GMT -5
I was just joking around but i can see it both ways. Our commander in chief is not exactly the most articulate of fellows.
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Post by Sour Candy on Apr 26, 2020 3:02:15 GMT -5
I mean technically speaking if we die from injecting something stupid into our veins then we won't get Covid
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 27, 2020 20:02:41 GMT -5
It’s a bit amusing to see people and shows conducting their business in their homes; I’ve been watching shows I don’t normally watch just for the novelty of seeing them do it in their house without a live audience to see how it feels. Pretty surreal, I hope we’re recording these so we can go back and remember what it was like when the virus hit. As long as celebrities don’t do that tone death “Imagine” nonsense again, it’s Gucci for now.
On a sadder note it’s really stressful that black people are making up a disproportionate amount of Coronavirus cases. I’m talking about hitting 70% of cases in some areas. It’s also super irritating to see people dismiss it with, “A vIrUs CaN’t Be RaCiSt,” when that’s not the point...we’re having cases where some black patients were turned away from getting the tests they needed and then died after. Not to mention a lot of us are poor or live in densely populated areas. We’re getting dealt with the short end of the stick and it hurts. I know people who have the virus now and I REALLY hope no one in my family catches it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 27, 2020 21:03:09 GMT -5
It’s a bit amusing to see people and shows conducting their business in their homes; I’ve been watching shows I don’t normally watch just for the novelty of seeing them do it in their house without a live audience to see how it feels. Pretty surreal, I hope we’re recording these so we can go back and remember what it was like when the virus hit. As long as celebrities don’t do that tone death “Imagine” nonsense again, it’s Gucci for now. On a sadder note it’s really stressful that black people are making up a disproportionate amount of Coronavirus cases. I’m talking about hitting 70% of cases in some areas. It’s also super irritating to see people dismiss it with, “A vIrUs CaN’t Be RaCiSt,” when that’s not the point...we’re having cases where some black patients were turned away from getting the tests they needed and then died after. Not to mention a lot of us are poor or live in densely populated areas. We’re getting dealt with the short end of the stick and it hurts. I know people who have the virus now and I REALLY hope no one in my family catches it. its painful for me to see comedians like ellen and jimmy fallon who keep pausing like there's still a laughtrack, that does not transfer well on youtube it is tragic. from what i understand, black people are more likely to live with poor health/nutrition/etc than any other race in America as a result of their entrenched position in the lower class. it's heartbreaking. this is a little more spec, but my mom mentioned that recent studies suggest vitamin D deficiency runs much higher in black people. the theory is that the increased melanin in their skin can inhibit vitamin D absorption from sunlight compared to lighter races, and vit D is important for the immune system. so that it possibly another explanation for why it tends to hit them harder, too.
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 27, 2020 22:03:41 GMT -5
It’s a bit amusing to see people and shows conducting their business in their homes; I’ve been watching shows I don’t normally watch just for the novelty of seeing them do it in their house without a live audience to see how it feels. Pretty surreal, I hope we’re recording these so we can go back and remember what it was like when the virus hit. As long as celebrities don’t do that tone death “Imagine” nonsense again, it’s Gucci for now. On a sadder note it’s really stressful that black people are making up a disproportionate amount of Coronavirus cases. I’m talking about hitting 70% of cases in some areas. It’s also super irritating to see people dismiss it with, “A vIrUs CaN’t Be RaCiSt,” when that’s not the point...we’re having cases where some black patients were turned away from getting the tests they needed and then died after. Not to mention a lot of us are poor or live in densely populated areas. We’re getting dealt with the short end of the stick and it hurts. I know people who have the virus now and I REALLY hope no one in my family catches it. its painful for me to see comedians like ellen and jimmy fallon who keep pausing like there's still a laughtrack, that does not transfer well on youtube it is tragic. from what i understand, black people are more likely to live with poor health/nutrition/etc than any other race in America as a result of their entrenched position in the lower class. it's heartbreaking. this is a little more spec, but my mom mentioned that recent studies suggest vitamin D deficiency runs much higher in black people. the theory is that the increased melanin in their skin can inhibit vitamin D absorption from sunlight compared to lighter races, and vit D is important for the immune system. so that it possibly another explanation for why it tends to hit them harder, too. Right, it’s so surreal and awkward watching it because of those pauses; it makes sense when you’re letting the audience get themselves together after a killer joke but there’s no live audience here, just the comedians. Prolonged silences like that seem to hurt the jokes instead. That said, I pay more attention looking at their fancy house interior so I can recreate them in Sims. And yep, that’s it; like I said a few pages back, some of us have underlying diseases and illnesses partially because of that. As for the vitamin D thing, IIRC that’s also correct according to studies on health, but it’s been a while since I’ve looked into it. Overall, it’s not a fun time right now for all of those reasons. EDIT: An hour after this post I heard my grandpa tell us to make sure our vitamin D levels are okay.
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Post by Leapkit on Apr 27, 2020 23:20:24 GMT -5
My hispanic friends are encountering the same issue, one of them is pretty much certain she has it because her uncle was finally diagnosed and shes had a fever and consistent cough. She says it feels like her lungs are on fire because almost every other breath she takes is more coughing and im so worried.
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 28, 2020 6:34:11 GMT -5
I‘m sorry about what your friend and her uncle get better! She shouldn’t have to be going through such a painful and stressful situation, I hope her condition improves and is no longer painful. This pandemic is affecting Hispanic and Latinx communities too. Everyone take care of yourselves.
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