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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 30, 2020 20:20:33 GMT -5
Virginia just announced that they're having a shelter-in-place until mid June. My friend lost his internship as a result. Do they really expect people to put their entire lives on hold for three months?? Yikes. My brother lives in Virginia, this should lead to lots of Minecrafting for us in the future. In all seriousness, it's horrible. I honestly don't think people in power even think through these things, they're literally like "OMG VIRUS SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN". While a certain degree of lockdown is necessary, especially now, saying things like "you can't leave your house until June" is pretty much a surefire way to make sure people don't actually lock down. Washington has been on a stay-at-home order for less than a week and pretty much everyone I know other than me and my best friend a few cities north of me are violating that every day. Whether the government expects people to lock down for that long or not, people WILL NOT do it if it's longer than 2-3 weeks.
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Post by ✨ ιηνєяѕєяєαℓιту on Mar 30, 2020 21:19:38 GMT -5
Virginia just announced that they're having a shelter-in-place until mid June. My friend lost his internship as a result. Do they really expect people to put their entire lives on hold for three months?? what was the internship? i live in virginia and the stay-at-home order didn't really change much from the past week or so except closing campgrounds to short stays and *sort-of* closing the beaches. it doesn't really feel like life is on hold yet honestly.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 30, 2020 21:25:01 GMT -5
Virginia just announced that they're having a shelter-in-place until mid June. My friend lost his internship as a result. Do they really expect people to put their entire lives on hold for three months?? what was the internship? i live in virginia and the stay-at-home order didn't really change much from the past week or so except closing campgrounds to short stays and *sort-of* closing the beaches. it doesn't really feel like life is on hold yet honestly. Some sort of business internship with Virginia Port Authority. The issue is that because so many businesses are losing profit and dipping into the negatives due to the shut down, especially if its enforced for another 10 weeks, then they have to start cutting somewhere. Paid interns are the first to go as unessential. We've had shut-down in my city for a week now and while my personal day-to-day life hasn't changed, it's definitely changed plenty of people around me.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 30, 2020 21:26:32 GMT -5
Virginia just announced that they're having a shelter-in-place until mid June. My friend lost his internship as a result. Do they really expect people to put their entire lives on hold for three months?? Yikes. My brother lives in Virginia, this should lead to lots of Minecrafting for us in the future. In all seriousness, it's horrible. I honestly don't think people in power even think through these things, they're literally like "OMG VIRUS SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN". While a certain degree of lockdown is necessary, especially now, saying things like "you can't leave your house until June" is pretty much a surefire way to make sure people don't actually lock down. Washington has been on a stay-at-home order for less than a week and pretty much everyone I know other than me and my best friend a few cities north of me are violating that every day. Whether the government expects people to lock down for that long or not, people WILL NOT do it if it's longer than 2-3 weeks. I read an interesting article that pointed out that it's a matter of saving lives, but the problem is that too many people don't understand that bad economic recessions ALSO kill people.
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Post by ✨ ιηνєяѕєяєαℓιту on Mar 30, 2020 21:48:10 GMT -5
Some sort of business internship with Virginia Port Authority. The issue is that because so many businesses are losing profit and dipping into the negatives due to the shut down, especially if its enforced for another 10 weeks, then they have to start cutting somewhere. Paid interns are the first to go as unessential. We've had shut-down in my city for a week now and while my personal day-to-day life hasn't changed, it's definitely changed plenty of people around me. ah i see. yeah, pretty sure profit loss is what made my employer close and lay us all off so early into this, so i can understand that. i guess that's the main disruption for me. i don't think the long time frame is definitive. from what i understand, it's set that way more to give businesses and organizations some structure for decision making—i'm sure it's harder to decide what to do on a fortnite-to-fortnite basis. it's written into the order that it can be ended early and i do think it will...our governor was reluctant to do this anyway despite a massive push for it, so i believe he'll try to end it as soon as possible.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 31, 2020 0:25:22 GMT -5
Some sort of business internship with Virginia Port Authority. The issue is that because so many businesses are losing profit and dipping into the negatives due to the shut down, especially if its enforced for another 10 weeks, then they have to start cutting somewhere. Paid interns are the first to go as unessential. We've had shut-down in my city for a week now and while my personal day-to-day life hasn't changed, it's definitely changed plenty of people around me. ah i see. yeah, pretty sure profit loss is what made my employer close and lay us all off so early into this, so i can understand that. i guess that's the main disruption for me. i don't think the long time frame is definitive. from what i understand, it's set that way more to give businesses and organizations some structure for decision making—i'm sure it's harder to decide what to do on a fortnite-to-fortnite basis. it's written into the order that it can be ended early and i do think it will...our governor was reluctant to do this anyway despite a massive push for it, so i believe he'll try to end it as soon as possible. Guess we'll have to see. The big problem I have with that manuever is that there's still guesswork involved and damage done--even if they end it early, businesses will have already made cuts under the assumption they'd lose 3+ months of normal business. So I'm not sure how much better it is. Honestly, any attempt at trying to lay parameters is not gonna help much, whether its a two-week basis or 10 weeks. There's gonna be guesswork either way, unfortunately.
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Post by Mosspath27 on Mar 31, 2020 4:47:23 GMT -5
While a certain degree of lockdown is necessary, especially now, saying things like "you can't leave your house until June" is pretty much a surefire way to make sure people don't actually lock down. Washington has been on a stay-at-home order for less than a week and pretty much everyone I know other than me and my best friend a few cities north of me are violating that every day. Whether the government expects people to lock down for that long or not, people WILL NOT do it if it's longer than 2-3 weeks. inb4 nationwide martial law
Two things I'm looking forward to now. One is whether there is another massive outbreak in Wuhan with the lift of the quarantine. The other is next flu season. Supposedly, a lot of recovery cases were found to have experienced a reduction in lung capacity and long term damage (it's old news now, I suppose). Could be that we're looking at a nasty flu season this winter if we get a reasonably potent strain and there's a significant population of lung scarred coronavirus survivors.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 31, 2020 12:31:19 GMT -5
While a certain degree of lockdown is necessary, especially now, saying things like "you can't leave your house until June" is pretty much a surefire way to make sure people don't actually lock down. Washington has been on a stay-at-home order for less than a week and pretty much everyone I know other than me and my best friend a few cities north of me are violating that every day. Whether the government expects people to lock down for that long or not, people WILL NOT do it if it's longer than 2-3 weeks. inb4 nationwide martial law
Two things I'm looking forward to now. One is whether there is another massive outbreak in Wuhan with the lift of the quarantine. The other is next flu season. Supposedly, a lot of recovery cases were found to have experienced a reduction in lung capacity and long term damage (it's old news now, I suppose). Could be that we're looking at a nasty flu season this winter if we get a reasonably potent strain and there's a significant population of lung scarred coronavirus survivors. IIRC we were already having a bad flu season, I believe CDC listed it as epidemic level (7% mortality rate) and it's already killed 24,000 people this season in the U.S. alone. That's why I think the "this is just a bad flu" has some merit in argument, despite the virus differences. www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1z48CZvrIpuf1pMZEVKMixx91kglnosktxWC9aK7IzVL4vdxq47EtXe-AThe longer this goes on, the more I think this is a mass hysteria issue. Some implementation of social distancing is smart, but I am beginning to seriously doubt the necessity of shutting down the economy like this.
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Post by Mosspath27 on Apr 1, 2020 13:48:26 GMT -5
IIRC we were already having a bad flu season, I believe CDC listed it as epidemic level (7% mortality rate) and it's already killed 24,000 people this season in the U.S. alone. That's why I think the "this is just a bad flu" has some merit in argument, despite the virus differences. www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1z48CZvrIpuf1pMZEVKMixx91kglnosktxWC9aK7IzVL4vdxq47EtXe-AThe longer this goes on, the more I think this is a mass hysteria issue. Some implementation of social distancing is smart, but I am beginning to seriously doubt the necessity of shutting down the economy like this. Well, that site lists 24,000 dead from 39 million cases, which is something less than a 7% mortality rate. It's apparently the percentage of all deaths, which seems to me to be a wonky way to calculate what an epidemic is, but the CDC is qualified about this and I am not. The cynic in me is struggling not to notice that hospitalizations for flu began rising about the same time we first started hearing reports of coronavirus in China and started tapering off about the same time that we started testing people for it, but then, that's the same pattern as basically every pattern and maybe not that significant. Shutting down was, I believe, the correct decision. Italy lost track of patient zero, couldn't shut down fast enough, and their hospitals were swamped so badly that they couldn't treat people, and consequently, Italy's coronavirus mortality rate is, what, six times higher than in the U.S. I think the virus would be looking a lot scarier if everybody caught it all at once.
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Post by ℊℓоω on Apr 1, 2020 14:41:29 GMT -5
inb4 nationwide martial law
Two things I'm looking forward to now. One is whether there is another massive outbreak in Wuhan with the lift of the quarantine. The other is next flu season. Supposedly, a lot of recovery cases were found to have experienced a reduction in lung capacity and long term damage (it's old news now, I suppose). Could be that we're looking at a nasty flu season this winter if we get a reasonably potent strain and there's a significant population of lung scarred coronavirus survivors. IIRC we were already having a bad flu season, I believe CDC listed it as epidemic level (7% mortality rate) and it's already killed 24,000 people this season in the U.S. alone. That's why I think the "this is just a bad flu" has some merit in argument, despite the virus differences. www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1z48CZvrIpuf1pMZEVKMixx91kglnosktxWC9aK7IzVL4vdxq47EtXe-AThe longer this goes on, the more I think this is a mass hysteria issue. Some implementation of social distancing is smart, but I am beginning to seriously doubt the necessity of shutting down the economy like this. Except that the White House is predicting 100,000-240,000 people will die in the US (source). The White House, as we've seen, has been pretty bad about underestimating the virus. So it's entirely possible that that estimate is on the low side.
And that's with the 70% of the country being in self-isolation.
So, no, it isn't "just a bad flu."
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 1, 2020 16:54:01 GMT -5
IIRC we were already having a bad flu season, I believe CDC listed it as epidemic level (7% mortality rate) and it's already killed 24,000 people this season in the U.S. alone. That's why I think the "this is just a bad flu" has some merit in argument, despite the virus differences. www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1z48CZvrIpuf1pMZEVKMixx91kglnosktxWC9aK7IzVL4vdxq47EtXe-AThe longer this goes on, the more I think this is a mass hysteria issue. Some implementation of social distancing is smart, but I am beginning to seriously doubt the necessity of shutting down the economy like this. Except that the White House is predicting 100,000-240,000 people will die in the US (source). The White House, as we've seen, has been pretty bad about underestimating the virus. So it's entirely possible that that estimate is on the low side.
And that's with the 70% of the country being in self-isolation.
So, no, it isn't "just a bad flu."
i didn't say it was a bad flu i just said i can see why people might think that based on the CDC's info on the current flu season
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 1, 2020 16:59:38 GMT -5
Shutting down was, I believe, the correct decision. Italy lost track of patient zero, couldn't shut down fast enough, and their hospitals were swamped so badly that they couldn't treat people, and consequently, Italy's coronavirus mortality rate is, what, six times higher than in the U.S. I think the virus would be looking a lot scarier if everybody caught it all at once. i do think we should be very caution about directly comparing one country to another. there are a LOT of factors that play into morality rate. not only does italy have a high elderly population, but they are notoriously heavy smokers (relevant to a respiratory issues caused by the virus). but more importantly, italy records COVID19 deaths much more generously than many other countries. if you have a serious underlying health condition and the virus is the little push that sends a patient over the edge, most places don't count that as a virus death--but italy does. so you have to be careful holding one country's death rate as the standard prediction for everyone else. it's more complex than that. idk why the CDC page has inconsistencies, or if there's something we're missing, like if it's 7% of hospitalizations rather than all cases.
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Post by Sour Candy on Apr 2, 2020 3:14:01 GMT -5
Despite the fact I know it's mostly my anxiety making me think this way, I'm like 86% convinced we're all going to die
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 2, 2020 18:52:15 GMT -5
i just wish more people acknowledged the long-term economic danger that would result. slapping a 2 trillion dollar bandaid over it isn't going to fix the resulting recession.
EDIT: I watched the video. I am not saying that COVID is just the flu, but while the video does a good job illustrating some differences, I think it's also a good example of the dubious nature of this virus. There's information in that video that is misleading or just has been proven incorrect since then. For instance, in February, we thought that the hospitalization rate was 20%-- but a month later and we know now it's actually more like 4 to 5%.
There's a lot of decision that are made based on frankly shaky evidence. I do think we should air on the side of caution-- however, the fact that even professionals are forced to make educated guesses about this virus needs to be addressed. People shouldn't be shut down for daring to think perhaps it's not quite so deadly-- just because it comes from professionals doesn't mean its foolproof. And while we should have respect for these educated guesses, some questioning is healthy.
For instance, there is some not unfounded belief that COVID might have already been spreading around as far back as November, and is only just now seeing a surge--meaning the peak may be lower than initially thought, since that means some members of the population already are immune. Right now there's no way to know until antibody tests become widespread.
What concerns me is that a lot of the extreme predictions/measures taken to combat the virus are based on a predictive study written by this one lab in the UK about a month ago, which predicted xyz% will die from this if nothing was done (i think 500k in the UK). A few days ago, right when the UK was just starting its lockdown, he went before parliament and drastically changed the predictions, such as lowering the number to only 20,000.
Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's still a lot of unknown factors about COVID and our understanding of it changes everyday. The medical field even thought asymptomatic cases were rare until very recently, when it was discovered around 50% never show symptoms. From my perspective, the more we discover about this virus, the less dire the threat becomes. I'm not saying some measures shouldn't be taken-- I just doubt the exact execution and degree for these reasons.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 2, 2020 21:01:07 GMT -5
I actually saw that Vox video come up in my YouTube recommendations and I actively avoided watching it as part of my "reliable sources" rule surrounding Covid-19 media. I don't watch any Covid-19 related videos or read any articles about it that come from a non-medical source. I don't want total lies to get into my brain and fester until I forget they're lies and start thinking it's the truth.
I'm not saying the video posted is made of lies. I wouldn't know, I didn't watch it. I am saying that enough news sources have put out total lies that I now don't trust anything put out by non-CDC or non-hospital sources. It's too easy to lie with statistics (I would know, I'm a stats minor-- it's stupid easy to make a completely false point using completely correct stats) and too many news outlets, ESPECIALLY in the US have a political bias that makes their reporting less than factual, particularly when the subject has too many unknowns to really say anything definitive at all, like Covid-19.
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Post by Leapkit on Apr 2, 2020 21:06:42 GMT -5
Just bc it may be less dire for you personally doesn't mean we should let a certain percentage of the population die just because muh economy, kazoo.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 2, 2020 21:09:03 GMT -5
Just bc it may be less dire for you personally doesn't mean we should let a certain percentage of the population die just because muh economy, kazoo. Economic depressions also kill people. Sometimes more people than an outbreak.
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Post by Mosspath27 on Apr 2, 2020 21:12:22 GMT -5
You can't go halfway with a quarantine. Kate Brown tried to go halfway in Oregon, and the result was more tourist traffic at the beach than they would expect in the peak of summer. Either it's dangerous enough to go into lockdown, or it isn't.
The recession was going to happen whether the lockdowns happened or not. Before the week of the 16th of March or so, every political official in the country with a handful of exceptions was trying to keep everybody in the dark as long as they could. As soon as the stock market tanked anyway, we had our national state of emergency, most states started locking down, and we finally started testing people. Naturally, the number of confirmed cases skyrocketed as soon as it was possible to confirm cases. But none of that happened until the economy was always doomed.
I'm also fairly confident that the people with the capacity to acquire data on how bad the pandemic really is are lying through their teeth at every opportunity, because they're still cracking down on whistleblowers.
Edit: second paragraph was a mess
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 2, 2020 22:55:02 GMT -5
I wasn't going to bring this up, but my grandmother lives in a nursing home that is currently under lockdown because there's was case of covid-19 in the building. And the person who got it is being hospitalized. We have no way of getting to my grandmother, because the facility is on lock down. And it might be weeks before we know if she was exposed to the virus herself.
I think it's a lot easier for people to pretend like this isn't a big deal when it doesn't affect them personally. I mention my family's situation only to highlight the fact that this thing is very real. My grandmother's nursing home has also been under lockdown for going on three weeks now. It's difficult for her to be so cut off from the world, when she was used to frequent company from both us and her neighbors. The elderly are sadly forgotten in society, and it's disappointing that it took a pandemic for people to start valuing them more. Hopefully that is something good that might come out of this tragic situation.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 2, 2020 23:06:29 GMT -5
Just bc it may be less dire for you personally doesn't mean we should let a certain percentage of the population die just because muh economy, kazoo. The most frustating thing about this pandemic is that nobody will let you take a middle road approach. You can believe that the threat is real and serious while still questioning the implemented solution's effectiveness. They're not mutually exclusive. Having a bit of doubt doesn't mean I'm okay with everyone's grandmas dying. I think what bugs me the most about this is the implication that this pandemic isn't personally affecting me. There are many things going on in my life right now as a result of the virus that are very personal that I have chosen not to share publicly. Many of my loved ones are high risk and I worry for them during this. Don't shut down any and all possible questioning based on some assumption that I "don't care". That's just not fair. Economic recessions have serious implications. I'm in a privileged position financially and know I will not be personally affected by it much. I am far more worried for the millions of people who will be plunged into even more dire economic situations than they've already struggled with. People die in recessions. Suicides sky rocket, people can't afford preventative care (whether medical, mental, or nutritional). Here is an article that succinctly summarizes this*. I'm not weighing grandma's life vs inconvenient restrictions on shopping. This is a very critical issue of weighing lives against lives. Economics must be taken into account to determine the least deadly solution to the pandemic in a delicate balance--otherwise we're risking more suffering and deaths in the future than the lives we save now. *to clarify i'm not endorsing the author's concluded solution
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 2, 2020 23:15:03 GMT -5
You can't go halfway with a quarantine. Kate Brown tried to go halfway in Oregon, and the result was more tourist traffic at the beach than they would expect in the peak of summer. Either it's dangerous enough to go into lockdown, or it isn't. The recession was going to happen whether the lockdowns happened or not. Before the week of the 16th of March or so, every political official in the country with a handful of exceptions was trying to keep everybody in the dark as long as they could. As soon as the stock market tanked anyway, we had our national state of emergency, most states started locking down, and we finally started testing people. Naturally, the number of confirmed cases skyrocketed as soon as it was possible to confirm cases. But none of that happened until the economy was always doomed. I'm also fairly confident that the people with the capacity to acquire data on how bad the pandemic really is are lying through their teeth at every opportunity, because they're still cracking down on whistleblowers. Edit: second paragraph was a mess It is definitely far too late to mitigate the damage already done. But the longer a completely shut down continues, the longer the recession will carry on. I don't think anyone will actually do anything to mitigate that at this point. That's a lost cause-- whether hysteria or judged correctly, the government has chosen this path. But I will still have some doubt as to whether the impact was every fully considered and weighed properly. I don't trust a single piece of data coming out of China, frankly, nor my own much. I mean part of the reason we didn't know about the asymptomatic rate was because China was purposely not counting them as COVID cases even if they were tested positive in an effort to downplay the spread to global politics.
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Post by Mosspath27 on Apr 3, 2020 1:30:18 GMT -5
It is definitely far too late to mitigate the damage already done. But the longer a completely shut down continues, the longer the recession will carry on. I don't think anyone will actually do anything to mitigate that at this point. That's a lost cause-- whether hysteria or judged correctly, the government has chosen this path. But I will still have some doubt as to whether the impact was every fully considered and weighed properly. I don't trust a single piece of data coming out of China, frankly, nor my own much. I mean part of the reason we didn't know about the asymptomatic rate was because China was purposely not counting them as COVID cases even if they were tested positive in an effort to downplay the spread to global politics. I have every confidence the end of the lockdown will be botched, because the same general public you (rightly) criticize for not taking a balanced view of the pandemic is electing the public officials who have the ultimate authority on state- and nation-wide health decisions based on those officials' views on taxes, firearms, and whether a prospective mother or a unborn child ought to have more rights. That said, my state has been under lockdown since March 23 and we're still seeing a steady, exponential increase in the number of cases. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the single highest percentage increase was on the 27th, which lines up with the incubation period and the day everybody Portland went to the beach. Yet, even after that, confirmed cases have been rising between 7%-16% daily. How that reflects the actual number of cases, I don't know. I would be surprised if the actual number of cases is accelerating more slowly, although it is possible. If people are still managing to cough on each other enough when non-essential travel is a class C misdemeanor, I don't really want to see what they'll do if restrictions are lifted now. All of Polk County has six hospital beds for 85,000 people. If they get hit, they all funnel into Marion County, and our 530 beds (plus 250 makeshift beds at the fairgrounds), which are meant to service our 350,000 people. Never mind staff and supply shortages; we can't handle epidemics in the Willamette Valley. I don't know how many people a recession will kill. I merely want to avoid Oregon having this problem. I think the mistakes that were made were made long before the virus hit. I don't think, at least with the information I have, that the quasi-quarantine is a mistake, although I believe most governments to be unwilling and/or incapable of fixing the problems the quarantine has caused.
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Post by Leapkit on Apr 3, 2020 18:57:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think there is a middle road approach to this. Unless you have a better suggestion of what we should be doing right now, do tell.
America was already one of the last places to take the virus seriously, and look what's happened because of it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 3, 2020 21:55:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think there is a middle road approach to this. Unless you have a better suggestion of what we should be doing right now, do tell. America was already one of the last places to take the virus seriously, and look what's happened because of it. It's not so much an issue of personally presenting a solution, because part of the problem is the data itself and how it is perceived. I could sit here and make suggestions, but that won't do much if one side is dismissing all data while the other holds it absolute. I'll try to outline the dative problems that show how the action undertaken may be overblown, which could explain how anyone could think "middle of the road" on this. As I mentioned before, ~six weeks ago a conducted study determined that 20-30% of infected COVID victims will require hospitalization due to complications. This was the Big Data plastered everywhere that informed every flatten the curve action. There was also a belief that asymptomatic cases were infrequent/rare. The end result is that almost everyone will show highly contagious symptoms and 1 out of 4 to 5 infected people will need intensive care. That's a lot of CC hospital beds and ventilators. But starting about a week ago, we know that on global average, only 4-5% of infected people require hospitalized care. This is because we discovered that the asymptomatic rate is way higher than previously believed, a little over half (50-60%). So what? Well, a higher asymptomatic rate and declined hospitalized rate mean that only 1 in 20 people will need some form of hospitalization. There's a big difference between 1/4 and 1/20 (500%), especially since the goal is to flatten the curve. But most measures taken right now are based on the numbers predicted by a 1/4 model which is now outdated. People much smarter than me estimated that 30% of the U.S. population will be infected: thats 96million people. By the initial model, that's 24mil people who need hospitalization. By the second, it's less than 5 million. Of these, half would require ventilator support, so that's about 2.2 million. Or 0.006% of our population. ( Source) We don't have that many working ventilators (around ~150k, not accounting for individual state stockpiles) or enough trained staff to deal with that at once, so there isn't a question that the curve must be flattened. It has to be. The issue is how much flattening is needed, and that's what I am questioning. Because it seems to me like the government may be overshooting the projected expectation by locking down the whole country. I'm not claiming to be an expert on any of this, nor advocating that people ignore shelter-in-place orders. My suspicions are merely raised as to how much is panic and how much is measured response. Social distancing makes sense, some limitation of businesses (like restricted hours of commercially active stores) and social activity (limiting group sizes). It seems to me the smartest decision (coupled with the aforementioned) would encourage the known at-risk citizens to quarantine themselves while allowing low-risk to continue their daily requirements. The former would receive a financial stipend from the government as incentive: much cheaper than forcing everyone home and paying out to everyone. With around 1/3 of the country self-isolating, it'd still be an economic blow, but more manageable recession than the alternative. There may be something big about that theorized solution I'm missing, and I'm happy to hear and discuss any potential criticisms of it. My main point was that the data is constantly changing and I fear that our government is functioning out of a worse-case-scenario of an inaccurate dataset.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 3, 2020 22:03:26 GMT -5
Unrelated to the discussion at hand, but this is an interesting article. Using IHME projections, Texas will not come close to reaching maximum capacity of total necessary resources (although we may be a bit short of ICU beds) at our peak, but Louisiana is gonna struggle a lot. I wonder how this will play out across state lines.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 7, 2020 12:15:36 GMT -5
aaaaand now we aren't gonna get the masks we need. lol nice, its not like there isn't already a shortage of medical supplies
whenever i go outside to go to the store or something i see people who blatantly aren't socially distancing. idk why people aren't getting the memo that this is serious by now? like ig there's no proof that social distancing will help stop this but it's better than running around pretending nothing's wrong
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 7, 2020 12:41:54 GMT -5
aaaaand now we aren't gonna get the masks we need. lol nice, its not like there isn't already a shortage of medical supplies what do you mean? are you referring to the CDC rec that people wear masks when they go out?
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