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Post by tollfarok on Jul 3, 2024 12:44:44 GMT -5
Most parts of the fandom hates him. I've noticed that a while ago on a thread about underrated characters were saying Bumblestripe. I want to know what y'all think about him and/or how you would defend some of his stuff when people bring it up in debates. (Like when people bring up the kit scene or when he's acting rude when dovewing doesn't want to do something) I personally sort of consider him one of my favorites. I think he's interesting and fun to read about when he appears. I think he was valid for some of his rudeness, because it really felt like Dovewing kept leading him on, while she was also meeting with Tigerheart. And I also feel like people overreact the kit scene. Yes, they weren't mates at that moment, but they were already getting closer again (atleast that's what Bumblestripe thought), and honestly his whole explanation and what he said was respectful and just nice imo.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 3, 2024 13:17:56 GMT -5
Easily one of my least favorite cats, tbh. Was he made worse to make Tigerheart look better? Yes, that much is extremely obvious. Do I care? Absolutely not! Because whatever the intentions were, it doesn't change the fact that it still happened! Just because he and Dovewing were mates seasons ago and were getting close again still doesn't give him the right to bring up kits, especially given the timing. And maybe I'd be more forgiving if he actually understood when she'd protested, but he didn't. He just tells her to think about it without even acknowledging her reasoning, clearly hoping she'll change her mind. I'm sorry, but I'd hardly call that being respectful.
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Post by asrise on Jul 3, 2024 13:39:48 GMT -5
I mean, he isn't Ashfur.
That aside, he is pushy and just doesn't quit fast enough. It doesn't matter how respectful he was during the kit scene, because the setting made it disrespectful by default. But I think that scene especially was crafted to make Tigerheart the better option, so what about the past? I still don't think he's great. (for Dovewing, that is) He uses his friends and family as well as Dovewing's to pressure her into a relationship, which I just found desperate and a little gross.
But I do think he's a good character and is definitely fun to read about, I just don't agree with the argument that Dovewing should have been with him, or that he did nothing wrong.
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Post by deerspirit on Jul 3, 2024 16:05:23 GMT -5
I’m neutral on him. He’s my least favorite of Graystripe’s five children but I don’t dislike him.
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Post by kitters on Jul 3, 2024 16:23:31 GMT -5
Bulbmesyropw wasn't horrible in that scene where he asked for kits, but I definitely understand Doves reaction. As tati once said.... time and place. And you did it at my birthday dinner (granpas funeral)
Edit well okay I'm keeping the typo.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 3, 2024 18:09:18 GMT -5
Bulbmesyropw wasn't horrible in that scene where he asked for kits, but I definitely understand Doves reaction. As tati once said.... time and place. And you did it at my birthday dinner (granpas funeral) Edit well okay I'm keeping the typo. ...what?
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Post by کیوان on Jul 3, 2024 18:16:03 GMT -5
Bulbmesyropw wasn't horrible in that scene where he asked for kits, but I definitely understand Doves reaction. As tati once said.... time and place. And you did it at my birthday dinner (granpas funeral) Edit well okay I'm keeping the typo. ...what? In layman's terms, one cannot fault Dovewing for reacting to Bumblestripe's proposal, as his timing took place at Purdy's funeral.
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flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Jul 3, 2024 18:40:33 GMT -5
I thought Bulbmestropw was a bizarre new nickname for half a second there. Like you've heard of Squilf now get ready for
Edit: i typo'd the typo. Whatever </3
In the end also my take is the same as the "idc if they did it for Tigerheart, he's still lame". I guess I'll give him this though: he's got a fun name
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*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 3, 2024 21:17:12 GMT -5
I barely remember Bumblestripe enough to hate him. Until I reread OOTS, I'll remain neutral.
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Post by iceheart on Jul 3, 2024 23:14:45 GMT -5
Most parts of the fandom hates him. I've noticed that a while ago on a thread about underrated characters were saying Bumblestripe. I want to know what y'all think about him and/or how you would defend some of his stuff when people bring it up in debates. (Like when people bring up the kit scene or when he's acting rude when dovewing doesn't want to do something) I personally sort of consider him one of my favorites. I think he's interesting and fun to read about when he appears. I think he was valid for some of his rudeness, because it really felt like Dovewing kept leading him on, while she was also meeting with Tigerheart. And I also feel like people overreact the kit scene. Yes, they weren't mates at that moment, but they were already getting closer again (atleast that's what Bumblestripe thought), and honestly his whole explanation and what he said was respectful and just nice imo. All of this. Bumblestripe isn't terrible or an incel in any single way. Dovewing tries to convince Tigerheart to have her kits in TLH and apparently that's fine. Tigerheart mentions it right after in Shattered Sky. I think it's extremely OOC for Bumblestripe to pester Dovewing because he's shown that he's fine moving on. He apologizes afterwards, and it might have still happened, but he still shows remorse. Bumblestripe is one of my favorites and I will die protecting him.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 4, 2024 9:49:53 GMT -5
Imma just repost what I wrote for a similar thread back in March:
Tbh it is really hard for me to critically analyze Bumblestripe’s actions in any regard because I cannot divest his actions from what to me is unforgivably neurotic writing. His characterization flips back and forth between novels and depends so heavily on which author wrote the book that I get whiplash. It’s hard to judge his character because like, which version do you choose as the “real” one? Because the two different versions of him (Kate vs Cherith) don’t feel reconcilable.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jul 4, 2024 14:10:54 GMT -5
I don't care for him, I guess. There's really not much going for him except a failed romance arc
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Post by Slightdapple on Jul 5, 2024 10:56:51 GMT -5
I don’t like him. Easily one of my least favorite characters in the series.
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this halloween i am doing the spookiest thing of all- an exam!
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 5, 2024 12:08:04 GMT -5
bumbkaestioe
(the new nickname)
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this halloween i am doing the spookiest thing of all- an exam!
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 5, 2024 12:13:20 GMT -5
wcrpforums.com/post/3603661^ my thoughts from a previous thread, with personal parallels
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Post by Woofzie on Jul 5, 2024 12:24:39 GMT -5
Nah, hate the guy with passion. I've been in both Dovewing's and Bumblestripe shoes and he's a little piece of self-centered dirt. Dovewing was selfish, yes. But she did try to make things work. This absolute asshole kept bringing up having a relationship/kits every f time I can't stand it. He didn't respect her boundaries and Dove's at fault in some degree, since she never made them clear or communicate properly.
And the pressure Ivy, White and Rose kept putting on Dovewing's shoulders "He likes you, you have to like him back!!" while Bumblestripe moped and guilt tripped Dovewing was absolutely gross.
Alas, he reminds me of someone who acted very similar and that type of people reads miserable and sorry in paper but they turn out highly gross, creepy and selfish irl.
I hate Bumblestripe with passion and, again, I won't debate this.
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Dark Forest Leader
volchitsa4
can't decide of I should keep my original joining name or switch back to houndsteeth....
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Post by volchitsa4 on Jul 5, 2024 22:56:12 GMT -5
I agree with Brambleheart and Woofzie. His inability to read Dovewing's disinterest was a little baffling, even with her lack of communicating her boundaries properly- which she probably felt unable to do due to pressure from Ivy and and Rose..... and his poor timing- he always seemed to pick the most awkward time to bring up kits.....
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 7, 2024 7:48:17 GMT -5
He's honestly not that bad. After going through all of his scenes, and even his interactions with Dovewing, it feels like the fandom is overreacting to him, and immediately treating him like Ashfur 2.0 for just being... socially inept, was strange. At most I'm neutral, just because I don't care much for any of Graystripe's second litter.
As far as things go for him now, I prefer his current character. Considering how Dovewing used him, it's nice to see him focus more on a career path instead, romance is probably just not for him. But if the Erins do decide to put him with another cat then maybe Cherryfall? Although considering how horrible his first romance went, I doubt he'd be so trusting to try another one any time soon.
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Post by Known Troll Account on Jul 7, 2024 11:17:23 GMT -5
He's honestly not that bad. After going through all of his scenes, and even his interactions with Dovewing, it feels like the fandom is overreacting to him, and immediately treating him like Ashfur 2.0 for just being... socially inept, was strange. At most I'm neutral, just because I don't care much for any of Graystripe's second litter. As far as things go for him now, I prefer his current character. Considering how Dovewing used him, it's nice to see him focus more on a career path instead, romance is probably just not for him. But if the Erins do decide to put him with another cat then maybe Cherryfall? Although considering how horrible his first romance went, I doubt he'd be so trusting to try another one any time soon. It makes me angry how people say he harrassed her, I have read the Shattered Sky scene multiple times and he only asks once and backed away. Dovewing is so mean to him and it's really sad he becomes so angry afterwards. And I also hate how people compare him to Ashfur when he's NOTHING like that guy! (But I love Ashfur a lot)
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Post by Known Troll Account on Jul 7, 2024 11:20:07 GMT -5
Bumblestripe has done nothing wrong. I will defend him with my heart. He admires Dovewing for being a hero who saved the clans, only to find out she's not the cat he thinks she is, and he's right, she isn't the cat he thought she was, she's a mean, disloyal bully who snaps at him whenever he wants to talk to her and doesn't respect his feelings, whenever he's genuinely worried about her she gets mad and breaks his heart, Dovewing bullies him and when he puts his paw down she gets pissed off and wonders what she did wrong, I can't believe so many fans are oblivious to how mean Dovewing is, they really do need to stop praising her because she's really not that misunderstood.....
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 7, 2024 12:08:39 GMT -5
I do think he should have been elected to be Ashfur’s deputy. He had trained apprentices making him an eligible candidate for deputy anyway. And him being killed by ShadowClan would have been an interesting end than him being a background character with little relevance, considering how ASC’s focus has just been Nightheart being Nightheart.
Also potential tragedy points if he is killed as his dad would have had to face him in the Dark Forest as well.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 7, 2024 12:22:00 GMT -5
He's honestly not that bad. After going through all of his scenes, and even his interactions with Dovewing, it feels like the fandom is overreacting to him, and immediately treating him like Ashfur 2.0 for just being... socially inept, was strange. At most I'm neutral, just because I don't care much for any of Graystripe's second litter. As far as things go for him now, I prefer his current character. Considering how Dovewing used him, it's nice to see him focus more on a career path instead, romance is probably just not for him. But if the Erins do decide to put him with another cat then maybe Cherryfall? Although considering how horrible his first romance went, I doubt he'd be so trusting to try another one any time soon. This, tbh. I was actually really glad that they made it clear that Bumblestripe is 100 percent over Dovewing and treats her as different Clans’ cat, as he should. He honestly was not nearly as awful as people are saying, and he backed away when she put her foot down. Even if Dovewing herself was really nasty in her thoughts constantly snapping at and comparing him to Tigerheart. I like that he’s got a desire to want to be more active in Clan rank, it was nice to see. And CherryBumble would be cute, I’m on board.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 7, 2024 12:32:07 GMT -5
Nah, hate the guy with passion. I've been in both Dovewing's and Bumblestripe shoes and he's a little piece of self-centered dirt. Dovewing was selfish, yes. But she did try to make things work. This absolute asshole kept bringing up having a relationship/kits every f time I can't stand it. He didn't respect her boundaries and Dove's at fault in some degree, since she never made them clear or communicate properly. And the pressure Ivy, White and Rose kept putting on Dovewing's shoulders "He likes you, you have to like him back!!" while Bumblestripe moped and guilt tripped Dovewing was absolutely gross. Alas, he reminds me of someone who acted very similar and that type of people reads miserable and sorry in paper but they turn out highly gross, creepy and selfish irl. I hate Bumblestripe with passion and, again, I won't debate this. Sorry, this turned out way longer than I expected to! ^^" Ngl, it's disturbing whenever I see people defend this kind of behavior (and I'm not talking about Bumblestripe either, but in general). And in this case, Dovewing has her own issues, sure, but why should that matter in this case? No one—no matter who they are and regardless of whether you see it as harassment or not—should have to go through this.
Or to put it in human terms, a guy asks his ex-wife to not only rekindle their relationship after years of not being together at a mutual friend's funeral, but to also have his babies, all while the country is essentially at war. The woman rejects him, criticizing the extremely poor timing, and what does the guy do? Does he apologize and leave the discussion alone? No, he doesn't. Because that'd at least be the decent thing to do. Instead, the guy says he wants her to "really, really think about this" and walks away.
No, he isn't as bad as Ashfur, not even close. That still doesn't make his behavior okay, and you can like Bumblestripe without defending this specific scene! And it's a shame this scene even exists at all too, because I actually kinda like Bumblestripe otherwise for the most part and the jasmine scene is still one of my favorites in OotS. There was really no need to put Dovewing in this position, especially when she and Tigerheart already had an established connection anyway (whether or not that connection was done well is a different matter).
And yeah, I agree, the rest of the Clan really shouldn't have gotten as involved as much as they had. Cinderheart I can at least kinda understand since she was clearly speaking from experience when she encouraged Dovewing to spend some time with Bumblestripe and all Rosepetal had to go off of was seeing a single argument in which one of them actually nearly got hurt, but Whitewing and Ivypool? What the former did isn't anything new (hell, my own family wants me to have my own kids one day even though I've consistently expressed a desire to not have any every time the conversation comes up), but it certainly wouldn't make it any less annoying, especially when Dovewing and Bumblestripe weren't even mates at this point.
And in Ivypool's case, her disdain for the relationship got to the point where she refused to search for her apprentice's birth family just because she didn't want Tigerheart and Dovewing to go together. Even in the bonus scene, Dovewing wonders why Ivypool keeps bringing up Bumblestripe, at the very least implying that this was a frequent thing.
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Post by asrise on Jul 7, 2024 13:12:09 GMT -5
Sorry, I just can't bring myself to say that Bumblestripe was not the one in the wrong in his and Dovewing's relationship.
What did Dovewing do to Bumblestripe besides just not wanting to be with him and "leading him on"? (Which she did only because her friends and family were pressuring her to do so, by the way.)
Even ignoring the vigil scene, Bumblestripe consistently comes on too strong and then falls back on guilting Dovewing when she fails to show the same enthusiasm. Also, the pressure from Dovewing's family and friends to be with him just so he can be happy is just not okay, and I don't blame her for wanting to go against their wishes.
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Post by Known Troll Account on Jul 7, 2024 16:40:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I just can't bring myself to say that Bumblestripe was not the one in the wrong in his and Dovewing's relationship. What did Dovewing do to Bumblestripe besides just not wanting to be with him and "leading him on"? (Which she did only because her friends and family were pressuring her to do so, by the way.) Even ignoring the vigil scene, Bumblestripe consistently comes on too strong and then falls back on guilting Dovewing when she fails to show the same enthusiasm. Also, the pressure from Dovewing's family and friends to be with him just so he can be happy is just not okay, and I don't blame her for wanting to go against their wishes. Dovewing constantly yells at him and acts dishonest. She only gets with him because he's the easiest choice, because he's not Tigerheart. People hate her because she was so mean to him. Maybe he was a little annoying, but every time he talks to her she's always so mad at him and it's so disgusting. Dovewing knows he likes yet she treats him like dog food. If she communicated better or at least tell him why they can't be together, I'd respect her annoyance, but she's an asshole to him. Even in Bramblestar's Storm, he was concerned about her, but she's angry instead of grateful and says it's "none of his business" despite the fact that they're mates. Bumblestripe tells her she'd be a good mother in the same book, and she walks away and doesn't like the idea. Even Firestar reminds Dovewing it's his business that she's trying to hear again. He's in pain, he's so worried and feels sorry for her but she doesn't care, because her head is full of Tigerheart. She doesn't even say goodbye to him when she switches clans, and when she comes back to see Ivypool he's angry and bitter, telling her off that she lost the privilege to see her sister and reminds her that she's a rival clan cat. He was a nice cat, and it's really sad he lost respect for Dovewing after she betrayed her Clan. She really doesn't deserve him.
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Post by Known Troll Account on Jul 7, 2024 16:42:32 GMT -5
If Dovewing didn't want the ****ing relationship, then she should have opened her mouth and said no. I've seen people say she was "pressured", lol no she was not, her immediate thoughts were about stupid Tigerheart and how he's the better choice because he's a ThunderClan cat.
Dovewing is the bastard here, she disrespected him so much till he got fed up and angry with her when she left, going as far as preventing her from seeing Ivypool because hes right, she betrayed him and her clan for Tigerheart. She lost the right to see Ivypool after she left.
Bumblestripe loved Dovewing, he respected and cared about her safety. Can you imagine how worried he might have been when she left in Tigerheart's Shadow?
I hate Doveshit so much, she truly is a horrible piece of dirt.
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Post by kitters on Jul 7, 2024 16:59:12 GMT -5
Dovewing actually makes a fat joke about him in the last hope which is pretty mean. I really just think they're not compatible at all and Dovewing is in a headspace where she feels pressured from all sides to accept bumblestripe while hating him at the same time (it really seems like she strongly dislikes him even when they are together).
I don't think she truly discovers her real personality until she joins shadowclan. She was always held down and restricted in some way.
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Post by Whispering Willow on Jul 7, 2024 17:05:09 GMT -5
If Dovewing didn't want the ****ing relationship, then she should have opened her mouth and said no. I've seen people say she was "pressured", lol no she was not, her immediate thoughts were about stupid Tigerheart and how he's the better choice because he's a ThunderClan cat. Dovewing is the bastard here, she disrespected him so much till he got fed up and angry with her when she left, going as far as preventing her from seeing Ivypool because hes right, she betrayed him and her clan for Tigerheart. She lost the right to see Ivypool after she left. Bumblestripe loved Dovewing, he respected and cared about her safety. Can you imagine how worried he might have been when she left in Tigerheart's Shadow? I hate Doveshit so much, she truly is a horrible piece of dirt. Just coming in here to say that Bumblestripe really doesn't have the right to keep Dovewing from seeing her sister. Whether or not Dovewing is allowed to see her is Ivypool's choice, not his, especially as the Clans grow more accepting of allowing kin to have friendly relationships with one another across boundaries. Dovewing's relationship with her ex is completely separate from her relationship with her sister. Just wanted to point that out because that part of your argument really irked me.
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Post by Woofzie on Jul 7, 2024 21:57:24 GMT -5
Seems more like a "How much you hate Dovewing" thread than a Bumblestripe one.
Pointing out, pressuring someone to be in a relationship and have kids with you is nowhere near love. While I repeat, Dovewing didn't do things right, she was harrassed. She DID say multiple times that she only saw him as a friend but they never listened. Nor Bumblestripe or any other of those who kept putting pressure onto her. Yeah, glad she was able to move out of a circle that kept pushing her inside a relationship she didn't want. She could have done things better and more maturely, but nothing around her was being fair or mature.
Really, she said "NO" and this guy just said "Nah I won't accept that, I'll ask again soon, think about it".
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