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Post by iceheart on Jul 12, 2024 8:09:57 GMT -5
My opinion on Bumblestripe still has not changed since looking closer into his chapters. Reading the books gives me the impression that Bumblestripe is in love with an idea of Dovewing that doesn't exist and that Dovewing just doesn't like the guy. When Bumblestripe breaks up with her, he realised this fact. I also think that the fact that Dovewing imagined herself with him does not mean she actually wanted to be with him. She just thinks it's the easier option, because of her friends and family's pressure. Yes, Dovewing was pressured. I'm not sure why people are acting like this isn't the case because Bumblestripe wasn't behind it, because that really doesn't matter. The effect is the same. Bumblestripe is also not that great of a person within their early relationship either. Not abusive, but I could understand how Dovewing could get annoyed at him. During their training sessions, he's constantly getting after her, which is fine, except for when he insults her in front of Brambleclaw, which really was not necessary. He's not a perfect guy, and he is also frustrated that Dovewing isn't responding to him in the way he wants. Put simply, Bumblestripe does not really like Dovewing in practice. This is supported when he breaks up with her, saying that she's not the cat he thought she was. My point is not that I think Bumblestripe is a terrible cat, or abusive, or anything like that. My point is that he does not work as a partner for Dovewing and Dovewing is not obligated to be with him or show him more love. I also think it's funny that people are willing to defend Bumblestripe's actions as him being 'socially inept', but Dovewing is 'rude for no reason' whenever she says something against him or blows him off. If you disagree, that's okay. But don't say that your interpretation is unbiased or better because at the end of the day it is just an interpretation. I've read the same books as everyone else here, and this is still my opinion. Bumblestripe isn't insulting Dovewing when they're training with Brambleclaw, he's criticizing her for her technique. And he didn't break up with her - they weren't together there. He just tells her that he's had enough, rightfully so after the way she's been acting. All of this is from The Last Hope, where Dovewing was still pining after Tigerheart. They weren't officially mates during that book. I forgot who said it in the books, but they were right - Dovewing was using Bumblestripe as her own scratching post. She got mad at him because he wasn't Tigerheart, which is a terrible reason to be angry with someone.
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Post by asrise on Jul 12, 2024 8:24:16 GMT -5
I was referring to this passage:
To me, it seems like he's making a joke at her expense. Saying what he said isn't really a criticism. Also, in my view, Dovewing wasn't mad at Bumblestripe because he wasn't Tigerheart, she was doing it because she didn't want to be with him.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 12, 2024 8:32:41 GMT -5
You could claim almost anything as confirmation bias. You think Firestar is a good leader? Well if you've ever had a kind teacher or parent your opinion is muddled by confirmation bias soo. You COULD be wrong! But yeah what a way to try and dismiss someone's post though. If you have any sort of emotional experience to something just call confirmation bias on their ass I have asked you before to please not interact with me. I am including obvious responses to my post even if you aren't technically quoting it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 12, 2024 8:41:39 GMT -5
If you disagree, that's okay. But don't say that your interpretation is unbiased or better because at the end of the day it is just an interpretation. I've read the same books as everyone else here, and this is still my opinion. This, in summary, is what I've been trying to kind of get at. Everyone's interpretation of Bumblestripe is going to be biased in some way, because humans are just like that, and so nobody's resulting opinion on him is more "right" or "better" than the others (so long as said opinion doesn't cause people to imagine or misremember the few canon facts we all have to accept in some capacity). It comes down to matters of personal taste.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 12, 2024 10:29:50 GMT -5
My opinion on Bumblestripe still has not changed since looking closer into his chapters. Reading the books gives me the impression that Bumblestripe is in love with an idea of Dovewing that doesn't exist and that Dovewing just doesn't like the guy. When Bumblestripe breaks up with her, he realised this fact. Bumblestripe is also not that great of a person within their early relationship either. Not abusive, but I could understand how Dovewing could get annoyed at him. During their training sessions, he's constantly getting after her, which is fine, except for when he insults her in front of Brambleclaw, which really was not necessary. He's not a perfect guy, and he is also frustrated that Dovewing isn't responding to him in the way he wants. Put simply, Bumblestripe does not really like Dovewing in practice. This is supported when he breaks up with her, saying that she's not the cat he thought she was. Not here to change your opinion or anything, just wanted to bring up a moment in the books. When he says "You're not the cat I thought you were" he was referring to how Dovewing was treating him like a scratching post simply because of him liking her. That's why the whole conversation happens in the first place, it's literally why Rosepetal yells at her. He admired her because of how she was hailed as a hero when she came back from the damn mission, and from there he started to have a crush on her, into love. However, the problem is that when Dovewing does find out about Bumblestripe's feelings for her she's notably very rude, snappy and mean to him. To the point even other cats notice and have to step in and point out her behavior. No this doesn't mean she's obligated to like him, but it doesn't mean she should treat him terribly just because he happened to like her. Because to Bumblestripe this comes off as "Oh she's treating me this way because I liked her." hence the "You're not the type of cat I thought you were." He was fine with giving up on her, that wasn't the main problem. He just didn't think Dovewing was the type of cat to take her anger out on someone else just because they had a crush on them. They had feelings so suddenly they deserved to be treated like a scratching post... Even she realizes her treatment wasn't fair.
The fact that Rosepetal had to remind her it's not a crime to like someone, and asked if she enjoyed hurting his feelings, says enough. And by this point she's done it numerous times, to which even Bumblestripe was done with it. Like he's still her clanmate, she doesn't have to practically rip his head off. She could have easily just said, "Hey I'm not interested." and left it at that instead of being rude to him, and insulting him at every corner. It makes me wonder if she did forget they were still clanmates at this point to be honest. Like even if she still turned him down, she didn't have to be antagonistic toward him just because he previously liked her. It's not like they were strangers either, or cats from different clans. Again, I'm just trying to be as clear as possible here, and I don't want to leave some sort of miscommunication or something.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 11:29:36 GMT -5
Nobody is owed or owes anyone reciprocation of romantic feelings, that is true, but everybody is owed common decency when interacting, especially if it’s your own Clanmate who hadn’t done anything to deserve that level of ire.
Dovewing being intentionally cruel and snappish at Bumblestripe and calling him pretty much a clumsy idiot for not even bumping into her and passing by, that’s uncalled for, and it’s a repetitive notion of her mentally comparing Bumblestripe’s every flaw to Tigerheart’s seemingly flawless visage and turning that comparison into bitterness she launches at Bumblestripe.
While I can easily admit Bumblestripe’s many flaws and instances of bad writing, horrible timing, and a lack of instant awareness, I can’t sit here and blame him for responding to a very minimal amount of communication that Dovewing gives. She thinks these comparisons, lashes out at Bumblestripe, and then never explains why she feels that way or what he had done wrong to deserve that kind of ire. I think above all, that’s my issue here.
Dovewing doesn’t owe anyone anything when it comes to romance, Bumblestripe doesn’t owe anyone anything when it comes to romance, but it is impossible for me to sit here and give Dovewing a pass for general uncalled for cruelty to any cat like that, no matter who it is. And her lack of communication and refusal to explain her feelings are, to me, an understandable reason as to why Bumblestripe did have those ignorant beliefs that maybe they could rekindle a relationship, because there was never once, at least in my memory, a concrete conversation that cut off any chance of even asking about trying again. I have to put myself in these characters’ positions, and in doing so, I can’t hate Bumblestripe for being unable to read that Dovewing dislikes him so viscerally for something he cannot ever control.
So in that way, I can’t find myself hating Bumblestripe the way I do Ashfur, not even close. Because at the very least Bumblestripe wasn’t coming in with malicious intent, I genuinely think he just wanted an actual conversation about why he was suddenly looked at with such disdain. And each time he tried, Dovewing shot it down. That’s what bothered me about the situation, I think.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 11:41:42 GMT -5
And a note, I’m not blaming or shaming Dovewing for not wanting to be with Bumblestripe. She’s not expected to, nor is he entitled to her. I’m only sympathetic for the response to a lack of communication, and him being seen as a horrible, evil cat for thinking there was a chance they could do it right. Afterwards, he never asked about it, he was even supportive and accepting when Dovewing brought Tigerheart’s kits into camp because I think he finally got the reason he was looking for, as much as that’s got to hurt.
He’s focusing on Thunderclan just as Dovewing focused on Tigerheart and her feelings, so I’m glad that’s the route they’re taking with him and that he has zero interest in Dovewing anymore, just as she had zero interest in him for moons. Works out, and nobody’s a villain. I just get really frustrated with characters with communication issues, I think. That’s more due to personal experiences.
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Post by Woofzie on Jul 12, 2024 12:18:45 GMT -5
Dovewing snaps at him once. Once. And there's a lot of yeayh, bashing for this once shee snapped without a proper reason (she didn't have one, but I, too understand that he was being kinda heavy, wanting to spend every moment with her). She didn't have to snap, but this happened after the way he treated him during training, or am I wrong? There you see both of them snapping at each other, Bumble criticizing every move she makes (and in a terrible form, mind me. There's correct, valid criticism,and then you have the impatient, awful yelling he was doing and she lost patience too. Both here were already done with the other). But him took it as far as humiliate her in front of Brambleclaw.
I don't see Bumblestripe as socially awkward, personally. He does not hesitate to act selfish and humiliate the cat he is supposed to love. Okay, let's give him the 'socially awkward' card to him, but then let's be fair and use it with Dovewing too.the double standard hits hard in this one.
And again, just again. Why. Why do people need to say "yeah but he's not Ashfur so he's fine, he's in the middle". Like,no? Why the need to compare, why the need to say 'he has the basic DECENCY to go and not try to murder his former mate and kits, so, he's good". No. He's not evil, he's no spawn from hell but he's faaaar from being altruistic, he's far of being a good mate and he's far from respecting other cat's wishes. That doesn't place him in the middle of "good and bad mates". He's far from good, but not as bad, okay. Doesn't automatically erase all his actions and place him as the "common decency guy". The "scratching post" line reads for me as an emotional manipulation attempt more than a "let's stop, this is hurting both" argument, specially when you read that hideous part “I get it, okay?” He didn’t even look at her. He just kept running. “You don’t like me the same way I like you. I’ll get over it. I’m just disappointed you’re not the cat I thought you were.” Again, he's just blamimg her for not returning his feelings the same time he puts a stop on HER snapping at him, but doesn't apologize for him snapping at her.
Also, There's no need to compare him with Tigerheart because he is OTHER PROBLEM apart from him. He has a different dynamic with her, so comparing him with him, with Ashfur, with any other is unfair. You criticize Dovewing for doing the exact thing.
Both Dove and Bumble were awful. Dovewing got over him quickly, good for her, bit him kept pestering her years after they broke up. Sorry if my wording is off, mobile sucks and keeps correcting words I don't want corrected.
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Post by kitters on Jul 12, 2024 13:34:42 GMT -5
You could claim almost anything as confirmation bias. You think Firestar is a good leader? Well if you've ever had a kind teacher or parent your opinion is muddled by confirmation bias soo. You COULD be wrong! But yeah what a way to try and dismiss someone's post though. If you have any sort of emotional experience to something just call confirmation bias on their ass I have asked you before to please not interact with me. I am including obvious responses to my post even if you aren't technically quoting it. This is a little dramatic for a personal disagreement to go out of your way to quote me directly to say this. I haven't actually done anything to you. You could say nothing at all, or block me. I've been careful not to interact with you because I thought you'd say something like this but if I can't even vaguely discuss something you're talking about...that's not my fault. So block me. I'm probably deleting my account soon anyway actually
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 13:54:30 GMT -5
Dovewing snaps at him once. Once. And there's a lot of yeayh, bashing for this once shee snapped without a proper reason (she didn't have one, but I, too understand that he was being kinda heavy, wanting to spend every moment with her). She didn't have to snap, but this happened after the way he treated him during training, or am I wrong? There you see both of them snapping at each other, Bumble criticizing every move she makes (and in a terrible form, mind me. There's correct, valid criticism,and then you have the impatient, awful yelling he was doing and she lost patience too. Both here were already done with the other). But him took it as far as humiliate her in front of Brambleclaw. I don't see Bumblestripe as socially awkward, personally. He does not hesitate to act selfish and humiliate the cat he is supposed to love. Okay, let's give him the 'socially awkward' card to him, but then let's be fair and use it with Dovewing too.the double standard hits hard in this one. And again, just again. Why. Why do people need to say "yeah but he's not Ashfur so he's fine, he's in the middle". Like,no? Why the need to compare, why the need to say 'he has the basic DECENCY to go and not try to murder his former mate and kits, so, he's good". No. He's not evil, he's no spawn from hell but he's faaaar from being altruistic, he's far of being a good mate and he's far from respecting other cat's wishes. That doesn't place him in the middle of "good and bad mates". He's far from good, but not as bad, okay. Doesn't automatically erase all his actions and place him as the "common decency guy". The "scratching post" line reads for me as an emotional manipulation attempt more than a "let's stop, this is hurting both" argument, specially when you read that hideous part “I get it, okay?” He didn’t even look at her. He just kept running. “You don’t like me the same way I like you. I’ll get over it. I’m just disappointed you’re not the cat I thought you were.” Again, he's just blamimg her for not returning his feelings the same time he puts a stop on HER snapping at him, but doesn't apologize for him snapping at her. Also, There's no need to compare him with Tigerheart because he is OTHER PROBLEM apart from him. He has a different dynamic with her, so comparing him with him, with Ashfur, with any other is unfair. You criticize Dovewing for doing the exact thing. Both Dove and Bumble were awful. Dovewing got over him quickly, good for her, bit him kept pestering her years after they broke up. Sorry if my wording is off, mobile sucks and keeps correcting words I don't want corrected. While I understand your argument and actually am not disagreeing with it, because they both are flawed and were in the wrong in different ways, I do want to state that Bumblestripe did apologize to Dovewing for the tree climbing incident. An incident where Dovewing was initially being short with him and again, having less than kind thoughts about him while they were doing training as Clanmates. Emphasizing this simply because this incident wasn’t revolving around romance but rather training together as Clanmates, tasked to do this training. So it wasn’t a case of him forcing his way in, but rather them being put together for the training. Bumblestripe was trying to give advice, Dovewing did not want advice, Brambleclaw came over, Bumblestripe made the comment, both of them were clearly butting heads over climbing techniques, and afterwards Bumblestripe apologized to her, and she accepted and apologized herself, and he accepted. By the end of it, they were even playful about it. The Scene: Bumblestripe wrinkled his nose. “Typical ShadowClan,” he growled. “They never do anything straight. They only came to the camp to gloat about beating Lionblaze.” “ShadowClan cats have always been fox-hearted.” Dovewing stared at her paws. And handsome. She looked up, surprised to see Bumblestripe’s eyes dark with worry. “I’m sorry,” he blurted out. His tail brushed the ground. “What for?” “About being so fussy about the tree training.” Dovewing had forgotten all about it. “Oh.” She flicked his shoulder with her tail-tip. “That’s okay. I was being a pain.” Bumblestripe brightened. “That’s true.” “Hey!” Dovewing swiped him playfully with a paw. Bumblestripe ducked, purring. “Should we get on with that hunt?”
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 14:01:47 GMT -5
Also, Bumblestripe and Dovewing were not yelling at eachother during the training either, it was definitely more of a frustrated bicker that Clanmates would do with eachother. I’m not sure why it’s assumed that Bumblestripe was screaming at her or something, unless I missed the words for yelling in the book ^^’
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Jul 12, 2024 14:32:39 GMT -5
I am watching this thread with great intrigue rn
Banger discussion guys keep it up I'm actually invested in both sides of this argument
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 14:35:40 GMT -5
hey Sand 🎃 i think this thread may be going too far for some
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 14:36:13 GMT -5
I am watching this thread with great intrigue rn Banger discussion guys keep it up I'm actually invested in both sides of this argument mood
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Post by 🎃👻🦇Brambleheart🦇👻🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 14:47:34 GMT -5
Also, Bumblestripe and Dovewing were not yelling at eachother during the training either, it was definitely more of a frustrated bicker that Clanmates would do with eachother. I’m not sure why it’s assumed that Bumblestripe was screaming at her or something, unless I missed the words for yelling in the book ^^’ agreed with that aspect of the debate, other than that though i do believe a lot of bumble's behaviour is questionable at best
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 15:07:16 GMT -5
Also, Bumblestripe and Dovewing were not yelling at eachother during the training either, it was definitely more of a frustrated bicker that Clanmates would do with eachother. I’m not sure why it’s assumed that Bumblestripe was screaming at her or something, unless I missed the words for yelling in the book ^^’ agreed with that aspect of the debate, other than that though i do believe a lot of bumble's behaviour is questionable at best Super fair! I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind either, cause I certainly wouldn’t want him as a mate myself. I think the only thing that I can summarize it as is that it’s a case of “explainable but not excusable” for how he responded to things. It’s coming from a pov of being in both Dovewing and Bumblestripe’s places at different points in my life that make the whole subject more complex for me compared to other instances in the series. All in all, I think we all can agree that that relationship was never gonna work, whether Tigerheart existed or not, or under any other different circumstance. I actually really wanted single Dovewing long before DoveBumble or DoveTiger was ever really pushed in the series writing.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 12, 2024 16:44:56 GMT -5
agreed with that aspect of the debate, other than that though i do believe a lot of bumble's behaviour is questionable at best Super fair! I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind either, cause I certainly wouldn’t want him as a mate myself. I think the only thing that I can summarize it as is that it’s a case of “explainable but not excusable” for how he responded to things. It’s coming from a pov of being in both Dovewing and Bumblestripe’s places at different points in my life that make the whole subject more complex for me compared to other instances in the series. All in all, I think we all can agree that that relationship was never gonna work, whether Tigerheart existed or not, or under any other different circumstance. I actually really wanted single Dovewing long before DoveBumble or DoveTiger was ever really pushed in the series writing. Agreed. And the only reason people still bring up the times of him being compared to Tigertwo and Ashfur is because unfortunately that's the category he's been shoved into for years. When he's no where near as bad, or deserving, hence the constant debates on that logic. I agree that Dovewing should have stayed single. She should have focused on herself more in the end, especially after all the mess that happened most her life. I think both Bumblestripe and Dovewing are flawed, they wouldn't have worked out in the end either way, I just wish they could have had proper closure and actual communication to express that issue with one another. That way they could have at least still have a decent friendship like they used to.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Jul 12, 2024 17:48:54 GMT -5
hey Sand 🎃 i think this thread may be going too far for some don’t worry, I’ve been watching for several hours now. I’ll pull the plug soon.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 12, 2024 18:05:46 GMT -5
Super fair! I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind either, cause I certainly wouldn’t want him as a mate myself. I think the only thing that I can summarize it as is that it’s a case of “explainable but not excusable” for how he responded to things. It’s coming from a pov of being in both Dovewing and Bumblestripe’s places at different points in my life that make the whole subject more complex for me compared to other instances in the series. All in all, I think we all can agree that that relationship was never gonna work, whether Tigerheart existed or not, or under any other different circumstance. I actually really wanted single Dovewing long before DoveBumble or DoveTiger was ever really pushed in the series writing. Agreed. And the only reason people still bring up the times of him being compared to Tigertwo and Ashfur is because unfortunately that's the category he's been shoved into for years. When he's no where near as bad, or deserving, hence the constant debates on that logic. I agree that Dovewing should have stayed single. She should have focused on herself more in the end, especially after all the mess that happened most her life. I think both Bumblestripe and Dovewing are flawed, they wouldn't have worked out in the end either way, I just wish they could have had proper closure and actual communication to express that issue with one another. That way they could have at least still have a decent friendship like they used to. Agree. That would have at least been satisfying to see a decent ending and genuine conversation about it, because as friends, they were good and I think both were capable of having it. It just never came about, and being in different Clans now, sadly there’s no realistic moment for it now.
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Post by asrise on Jul 12, 2024 20:07:55 GMT -5
100+ posts? Wow. (Yes, I know I've been a part of that)
Before the thread closes, I just want to say that I would have also wished for Dovewing to have just stayed single for a while after TLH. The whole Bumblestripe subplot in the latter half of OotS is a part of the books I really enjoyed reading, because it is somewhat complex. But I would have liked it to have just ended after they fell out, thank you.
Everyone has an opinion on these two obviously, but one thing I can say is that Bumblestripe isn't straightforward, and I like that.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 13, 2024 1:02:25 GMT -5
100+ posts? Wow. (Yes, I know I've been a part of that) Before the thread closes, I just want to say that I would have also wished for Dovewing to have just stayed single for a while after TLH. The whole Bumblestripe subplot in the latter half of OotS is a part of the books I really enjoyed reading, because it is somewhat complex. But I would have liked it to have just ended after they fell out, thank you. Everyone has an opinion on these two obviously, but one thing I can say is that Bumblestripe isn't straightforward, and I like that. I agree, honestly... I feel like the Erins really could have just left it after BrS. Heck even in AVoS they could have just given her and Bumble a proper break up / closure scene and leave it at that. I kinda also preferred when Dovewing was actually only focusing on her clan, and avoiding Tigerheart at the time too, but when he, Tawny and Rowan went to ThunderClan I knew it was all over. The whole thing was interesting at one point, but by AVoS it was like beating a dead horse for sure.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 13, 2024 1:11:05 GMT -5
I am curious though, before the thread is possibly locked...
Given that this is still about Bumblestripe, whereas things stand now, where do you guys think the Erins will take his character at this point?
Because when Ivystar happens, I can't really see her choosing him as a deputy unless he really wants that. On the other hand he and Ivypool didn't exactly have a bad relationship and he's more than capable as a mentor, so maybe he'd be considered again?
When it comes to romance, Rosepetal, I suppose, was an option, but now that she's been iced, I think Cherryfall is the other option. They've notably been on a lot of patrols together. But I also don't think Bumblestripe will be so eager to jump into a relationship again any time soon, or maybe ever again?
And then lastly there's also how he's personality has steeled in general... It's actually interesting to see him kinda go from, like I said earlier, "wet cat" to a bit more "stern". It's especially notable in Spotfur's novella, and also how he treats cats outside the clan more coldly too...
I hope Bumblestripe doesn't get the Mousewhisker treatment, or worse, the Stormcloud or Berrynose treatments. The Erins are still struggling with even keeping new background characters afloat with relevancy and moments, so I hope they don't try to fix that by only focusing on them, and then forgetting actual fleshed-out characters that are already around like Bumblestripe.
Another interesting thing is Bumblestripe and Shellfur, it would be interesting to see his response more to Shellfur getting with Fernstripe. I feel like we barely got much of a reaction over that, compared to the Sunbeam and Nightheart situations.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Jul 13, 2024 1:54:53 GMT -5
i think bumblestripe's alright, i don't really care about him in any way, i do think he was a bit annoying and inept with dovewing, but dovewing was also pretty uncool towards him their relationship sucked as a whole i think it was mostly bad writing though maplefrost's thoughts pretty much reflect my own on him and his whole situation !
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Post by 🎃ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ👻 on Jul 13, 2024 6:15:19 GMT -5
I am curious though, before the thread is possibly locked... Given that this is still about Bumblestripe, whereas things stand now, where do you guys think the Erins will take his character at this point? Because when Ivystar happens, I can't really see her choosing him as a deputy unless he really wants that. On the other hand he and Ivypool didn't exactly have a bad relationship and he's more than capable as a mentor, so maybe he'd be considered again? When it comes to romance, Rosepetal, I suppose, was an option, but now that she's been iced, I think Cherryfall is the other option. They've notably been on a lot of patrols together. But I also don't think Bumblestripe will be so eager to jump into a relationship again any time soon, or maybe ever again? And then lastly there's also how he's personality has steeled in general... It's actually interesting to see him kinda go from, like I said earlier, "wet cat" to a bit more "stern". It's especially notable in Spotfur's novella, and also how he treats cats outside the clan more coldly too... I hope Bumblestripe doesn't get the Mousewhisker treatment, or worse, the Stormcloud or Berrynose treatments. The Erins are still struggling with even keeping new background characters afloat with relevancy and moments, so I hope they don't try to fix that by only focusing on them, and then forgetting actual fleshed-out characters that are already around like Bumblestripe. Another interesting thing is Bumblestripe and Shellfur, it would be interesting to see his response more to Shellfur getting with Fernstripe. I feel like we barely got much of a reaction over that, compared to the Sunbeam and Nightheart situations. Look! It’s a wild lurking of this thread coming out to post! Anyways, I’m afraid Bumblestripe isn’t getting much attention in the future. He’s one of the few background characters who actually has a personality, which is great, but he is still a background character in a growing ThunderClan that will be getting new interesting characters that will just shine out Bumblestripe even more. Sadly, I don’t think he’s coming out of that spot. He’s been stuck there for what, since TBC?? I don’t think there’s really any hope for him now. They may use him to mate with someone and get kits (because yk, thunderclan isn’t populated enough already) but I personally don’t want that to happen. Bumblestripe should stay single. Also, totally agree with that last paragraph. We haven’t any Bumblestripe and Shellfur interactions since.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 13, 2024 7:44:46 GMT -5
Tbh I don’t really care where they take his character , I’d just like Kate and Cherith to be on the same page about his personality for once. The inconsistency is jarring.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 13, 2024 7:45:18 GMT -5
I had typed up a pretty long post and then everything disappeared (thanks, mobile), but basically the point I was going to make was that, while Dovewing herself might not have found Bumblestripe creepy per se, she almost certainly found him clingy, considering she got annoyed every time she thought he was fussing over her. Ever since she was an apprentice, she never liked being treated like she was helpless, so Bumblestripe critiquing her possibly all day (it's mentioned during the tree climbing scene that they were training all morning and that she was feeling hot and tired) and then literally being told to shut up after she asked Brambleclaw why they were doing this, him walking too close to her on their way to the Gathering, him getting Bramblestar involved while she was trying to get her powers back, and then him hunting for her despite him inviting her wouldn't have appealed to her, no matter how good his intentions were.
So when people say that Bumblestripe liked the idea of Dovewing, I can't exactly say they're entirely off the mark, either. Or at the very least, I don't blame them for feeling this way. Keep in mind that Dovewing is the same cat who helped bring water back to the Clans as an apprentice, who put her warrior assessment aside to save Icewing, who was chosen to go to the mountains as a new warrior... and came back with nightmares, something that Bumblestripe noticed (he even goes to Jayfeather about it). So, Bumblestripe—seeing the cat he liked in distress—probably thought he could be her hero for a change, but ended up overdoing it. This doesn't necessarily make him a bad cat, but it does show how ill suited they were for each other even early on. And it's a shame too, because I loved them in TFW and DS and I still adore their scenes together in those books.
And as for where we go from here, I'm not expecting much in the future, even now that his personality seems to have become more hostile. Even in TBC, where they had the perfect opportunity to give him a prominent role, any build-up they had in TST gets immediately done away with the following book and it's never really brought up again, so why would I expect anything else? It's more likely he's going to continue being just another face in a very large crowd now that he's no longer an important character—as is common—unless they need someone to react to something, and I don't particularly care for his family either (except Spotfur's kits, but even then, they only just became apprentices), or unless he becomes Moonpaw's mentor or mentors any siblings she may have or something, and even then, that doesn't necessarily guarantee anything.
Basically, the bar is at the bottom of the ocean for me when it comes to anything regarding this series. It isn't exactly top quality. I'm keeping my expectations as low as possible.
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