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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 14, 2024 14:11:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this one gets me a little too. If you're going to make an argument about Bramblestar being abusive, at least use proof that isn't literally how the rules of their society work. Leaders have to punish individuals who break the rules, that's how it's always been. It wasn't abusive when Firestar made Leafpool step down, for example. It's because people make the argument that Bramblestar always had power over her in the relationship. Squirrelflight was barely a warrior when they got together and then Bramblestar became deputy, then leader. They claim he was abusing that power over her in SqH by holding the deputy position over her head. Like, if it had been any other cat, they would have been demoted and have their loyalty questioned for sneaking off. The thing is, even if Bramble had demoted her, they'd accuse him of being misogynistic and sexist either way. There was no win-win situation for him regardless.
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Post by moongloweevee on Jan 14, 2024 14:20:34 GMT -5
It's because people make the argument that Bramblestar always had power over her in the relationship. Squirrelflight was barely a warrior when they got together and then Bramblestar became deputy, then leader. They claim he was abusing that power over her in SqH by holding the deputy position over her head. Like, if it had been any other cat, they would have been demoted and have their loyalty questioned for sneaking off. The thing is, even if Bramble had demoted her, they'd accuse him of being misogynistic and sexist either way. There was no win-win situation for him regardless. Unfortunate that it's true
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Post by کیوان on Jan 20, 2024 21:55:48 GMT -5
Yet another Discord server with braindead Bramble takes. Do these people even hear themselves anymore?
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Post by moongloweevee on Jan 21, 2024 10:34:46 GMT -5
Yet another Discord server with braindead Bramble takes. Do these people even hear themselves anymore? This is why I just started to just block people on Reddit. I generally don't have a problem with people liking Squirrelflight but if you're going to sit there and try to twist words around to make her look like an angel, it's exhausting.
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WORKING IN THE SALT MINES GETS YOU NO MONEY
Pronouns: Idk anymore! Anything?
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Post by Myrtleleaf on Jan 21, 2024 16:32:16 GMT -5
People who hate Tree. I don’t get it! He’s so adorable and perfect
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 25, 2024 17:44:25 GMT -5
People who hate Tree. I don’t get it! He’s so adorable and perfect I love Tree so much <3
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 25, 2024 17:45:18 GMT -5
Yet another Discord server with braindead Bramble takes. Do these people even hear themselves anymore? This is why I just started to just block people on Reddit. I generally don't have a problem with people liking Squirrelflight but if you're going to sit there and try to twist words around to make her look like an angel, it's exhausting. And that's the thing. Squirrelflight is not an angel. Not even close to it. That is why she is so engaging as a character. I can't stand people like that.
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Post by moongloweevee on Jan 31, 2024 13:32:45 GMT -5
This is why I just started to just block people on Reddit. I generally don't have a problem with people liking Squirrelflight but if you're going to sit there and try to twist words around to make her look like an angel, it's exhausting. And that's the thing. Squirrelflight is not an angel. Not even close to it. That is why she is so engaging as a character. I can't stand people like that. People were calling me out and telling me I can just ignore if someone bashes my favorite character on a post lmao. I gave my logic and reasoning only for it to be completely ignored. Like, nah, I ain't going to take this Bramble slander
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 31, 2024 14:15:20 GMT -5
And that's the thing. Squirrelflight is not an angel. Not even close to it. That is why she is so engaging as a character. I can't stand people like that. People were calling me out and telling me I can just ignore if someone bashes my favorite character on a post lmao. I gave my logic and reasoning only for it to be completely ignored. Like, nah, I ain't going to take this Bramble slander You are allowed to give your opinion too lmao. Reddit is a shithole anyways.
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Post by کیوان on Jan 31, 2024 23:41:44 GMT -5
People were calling me out and telling me I can just ignore if someone bashes my favorite character on a post lmao. I gave my logic and reasoning only for it to be completely ignored. Like, nah, I ain't going to take this Bramble slander You are allowed to give your opinion too lmao. Reddit is a shithole anyways. Yeah, after a number of notable Bramble fans have left r/WarriorCats, it's been much, much harder to openly be a fan of him outside of here. Some people don't even want to see the nuance to situations anymore. The WC community is fractured. Perhaps it was already fractured. Perhaps it fractured a long time ago...
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 1, 2024 0:15:37 GMT -5
You are allowed to give your opinion too lmao. Reddit is a shithole anyways. Yeah, after a number of notable Bramble fans have left r/WarriorCats, it's been much, much harder to openly be a fan of him outside of here. Some people don't even want to see the nuance to situations anymore. The WC community is fractured. Perhaps it was already fractured. Perhaps it fractured a long time ago... everything changed when the fire nation attacked
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 1, 2024 4:31:46 GMT -5
You are allowed to give your opinion too lmao. Reddit is a shithole anyways. Yeah, after a number of notable Bramble fans have left r/WarriorCats, it's been much, much harder to openly be a fan of him outside of here. Some people don't even want to see the nuance to situations anymore. The WC community is fractured. Perhaps it was already fractured. Perhaps it fractured a long time ago... I don't even get what all the Bramblestar hate is about. And this comes from someone who adores Squirrelflight. Bramblestar is a good guy! He got absolutely butchered in SqH, but I tend to ignore his characterization in that book. I am aware it's most likely because of Moonkitti's video, but that idea annoys me a lot. Can't people think for themselves?
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Post by کیوان on Feb 1, 2024 9:30:40 GMT -5
Yeah, after a number of notable Bramble fans have left r/WarriorCats, it's been much, much harder to openly be a fan of him outside of here. Some people don't even want to see the nuance to situations anymore. The WC community is fractured. Perhaps it was already fractured. Perhaps it fractured a long time ago... I don't even get what all the Bramblestar hate is about. And this comes from someone who adores Squirrelflight. Bramblestar is a good guy! He got absolutely butchered in SqH, but I tend to ignore his characterization in that book. I am aware it's most likely because of Moonkitti's video, but that idea annoys me a lot. Can't people think for themselves? I know that people will insist that their opinions came before the video even came out, but I’m not about to believe that a four year old vid with over a million views from the most subscribed-to WCtuber has a negligible impact on the whole discussion. People are STILL insisting that liking Bramble makes you a bad person. Even after Bramble and Squish are buried in the earth, the community will STILL be going after each other over this topic. I try to stay optimistic, but one must imagine me happy at this point.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 1, 2024 10:08:28 GMT -5
I don't even get what all the Bramblestar hate is about. And this comes from someone who adores Squirrelflight. Bramblestar is a good guy! He got absolutely butchered in SqH, but I tend to ignore his characterization in that book. I am aware it's most likely because of Moonkitti's video, but that idea annoys me a lot. Can't people think for themselves? I know that people will insist that their opinions came before the video even came out, but I’m not about to believe that a four year old vid with over a million views from the most subscribed-to WCtuber has a negligible impact on the whole discussion. People are STILL insisting that liking Bramble makes you a bad person. Even after Bramble and Squish are buried in the earth, the community will STILL be going after each other over this topic. I try to stay optimistic, but one must imagine me happy at this point. That's ****ing crazy and just toxic lmao
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when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Feb 1, 2024 11:27:45 GMT -5
I mean ... but it's true that the same sort negative takes on Bramble* DID exist waaay before that video ever was posted. I'm not going to pretend there wasn't a noticable uptick in discussion about bramble and squirrel after but they've always been very hotly debated fake cats to begin with and like you said that'll go on forever. I distinctly remember seeing more posts repeating the same things about bramble I'd seen for ages and thinking it was nothing new.
*I assume. I never watched the video so I'm just guessing what's mentioned in it lol
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Post by کیوان on Feb 1, 2024 12:11:50 GMT -5
I mean ... but it's true that the same sort negative takes on Bramble* DID exist waaay before that video ever was posted. I'm not going to pretend there wasn't a noticable uptick in discussion about bramble and squirrel after but they've always been very hotly debated fake cats to begin with and like you said that'll go on forever. I distinctly remember seeing more posts repeating the same things about bramble I'd seen for ages and thinking it was nothing new. *I assume. I never watched the video so I'm just guessing what's mentioned in it lol I’ll say it again: it’s true that this was a thoroughly discussed topic before anyone released any video. Heck, BGA’s video predates Moonkitti’s, and discussion of this topic predates BGA’s video. I’m just more disappointed with the fandom handling of this topic than with any individual character in said topic, if anything. What’s more, I wouldn’t even care about Moonkitti’s singular video if she didn’t keep propagating her stance in every video possible to this day. It’s been four years, and the car keeps getting stopped to get gas.
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Post by moongloweevee on Feb 1, 2024 12:22:53 GMT -5
I don't even get what all the Bramblestar hate is about. And this comes from someone who adores Squirrelflight. Bramblestar is a good guy! He got absolutely butchered in SqH, but I tend to ignore his characterization in that book. I am aware it's most likely because of Moonkitti's video, but that idea annoys me a lot. Can't people think for themselves? I know that people will insist that their opinions came before the video even came out, but I’m not about to believe that a four year old vid with over a million views from the most subscribed-to WCtuber has a negligible impact on the whole discussion. People are STILL insisting that liking Bramble makes you a bad person. Even after Bramble and Squish are buried in the earth, the community will STILL be going after each other over this topic. I try to stay optimistic, but one must imagine me happy at this point. I saw a conversation of someone asking if liking Bramblestar made them a bad person. The person who responded with 'no, not unless you're trying to defend and excuse his abusive behavior.' Squilf fans are something else, sheesh
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Post by کیوان on Feb 1, 2024 12:27:50 GMT -5
I know that people will insist that their opinions came before the video even came out, but I’m not about to believe that a four year old vid with over a million views from the most subscribed-to WCtuber has a negligible impact on the whole discussion. People are STILL insisting that liking Bramble makes you a bad person. Even after Bramble and Squish are buried in the earth, the community will STILL be going after each other over this topic. I try to stay optimistic, but one must imagine me happy at this point. I saw a conversation of someone asking if liking Bramblestar made them a bad person. The person who responded with 'no, not unless you're trying to defend and excuse his abusive behavior.' Squilf fans are something else, sheesh What can I say? It's like there's some quest for the moral high ground I'm just not picking up on.
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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 1, 2024 16:04:04 GMT -5
When people say Blossomfall and Bumblestripe are selfish and don’t need Millie’s love and attention anymore because they’re grown up.
I don’t know if people think this way anymore, but they used to all the time back in the day and it genuinely upset me.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Feb 5, 2024 17:21:25 GMT -5
When people say Blossomfall and Bumblestripe are selfish and don’t need Millie’s love and attention anymore because they’re grown up. I don’t know if people think this way anymore, but they used to all the time back in the day and it genuinely upset me. This one always made me mad, especially when it came to Blossomfall joining the DF. "She's a grown adult" that barely had a mother. Surprise surprise, the person that got neglected as a child now holds anger against her mother. Like, do they not know what a glass child is?
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Feb 5, 2024 18:07:52 GMT -5
Firestar isn't perfect, certainly he doesn't have any really dark flaws but he's not perfect...in Rising Storm, he was happy that Darkstripe was the one to announce Cloudpaw's return, for example. Firestar is a really cool character to read and definitely not boring. For me, Firestar is a bit like Son Goku from Warriors.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Feb 5, 2024 18:58:08 GMT -5
Squirrelflight and Bramblestar being a toxic couple...Their relationship was healthy in Power of Three, it was after that it got sour. They got back together in Bramblestar's Storm but in A Vision of Shadows, we hardly see their interactions as mates even though one of the protagonists is their son but their relationship seems healthy as before from the little we see.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 5, 2024 19:01:29 GMT -5
Squirrelflight and Bramblestar being a toxic couple...Their relationship was healthy in Power of Three, it was after that it got sour. They got back together in Bramblestar's Storm but in A Vision of Shadows, we hardly see their interactions as mates even though one of the protagonists is their son but their relationship seems healthy as before from the little we see. This one pisses me off too.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Feb 5, 2024 19:10:21 GMT -5
Even though I haven't read Squirrelflight's Hope (it will be released in France in 2025 and I have only just read Juniperclaw's death in The Raging Storm), but I think Bramblestar's behavior towards Squirrelflight was understandable although not excusable , she was undermining him and going behind his back while he was stressed about handling the situation. For me, you really have to set Bramblestar's characterization in Squirrelflight's Hope apart. And Squirrelflight also has his faults in this book. The main thing is that they reconciled and that it doesn't happen again. I think their relationship emerged even stronger from this quarrel, it was a bit of a definitive test. And it's relevant that it takes place just before The Broken Code.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Feb 5, 2024 19:23:07 GMT -5
The Last Hope's Great Battle sucked...No, it was SO COOL. I just wish there weren't more things like Hollowflight fighting the Dark Forest, Applefur and Toadfoot's death...etc...and I wish the Firestar vs. Tigerstar is from Firestar's point of view and not Dovewing. Kate said that the Great Battle was hard to write, I'm willing to believe her, just watch chapter 27 which is so busy.
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