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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Dec 6, 2023 13:14:21 GMT -5
Since I remember that people actually thought this, Honeyfern sacrificing herself to save Brairlight was a wasted effort because the latter would later become paralyzed. I remember seeing that one somewhere too, opinions like that genuinely make my day worse
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"A warrior never blames his Clanmates for his own mistakes, Lionpaw."
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Post by myusernameis on Dec 6, 2023 20:23:05 GMT -5
The fact people think Squirrelflight was in the right to help the sisters. The sisters DISABLED cats, the SISTERS fought on cats on their Shadowclan's territory
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Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Dec 8, 2023 21:49:37 GMT -5
A close friend of mine said two things that made me go crazy.
1. Squirrelflight's my favorite character! ((I lost it.)
2. Purdy should just die. ((Again, I lost it. I also corrected her that Purdy was already dead, but she's a bit behind me so anyway.)
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Post by heatherstrike on Dec 9, 2023 1:02:38 GMT -5
For me, it's the claim that Yellowfang should have gone to the dark forest for killing Brokenstar. Keep in mind she only did this to save the lives of many cats, and to fix her mistake of even having children.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Dec 9, 2023 2:18:44 GMT -5
Mapleshade is a good villain. No. No she isn't.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 10, 2023 6:41:33 GMT -5
A close friend of mine said two things that made me go crazy. 1. Squirrelflight's my favorite character! ((I lost it.) 2. Purdy should just die. ((Again, I lost it. I also corrected her that Purdy was already dead, but she's a bit behind me so anyway.) You got angry 'cause your friend's favourite character is Squirrelflight???
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 10, 2023 6:43:17 GMT -5
Saw an anon send in an ask to someone's blog on tumblr saying that Nightcloud abused Crowfeather because she didn't treat his cut, leaving him "open for infection and even death". I agree, she shouldn't have dragged Crowfeather, but all she did was grab him and move him a little. They acted like she broke skin and made him bleed and "die from infection".
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arkkflip
I LUV SHADOWSIGHT SO SMCUH !!!! YAYSHDIKENF HEZ MY SON !!!!!!! YEYYY !!!!!!!!!!A
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Post by arkkflip on Dec 10, 2023 12:21:29 GMT -5
That Shadowsight should get punished. That is just blatant victim blaming.
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Post by «-•spiderweb•-» on Dec 31, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -5
That Shadowsight should get punished. That is just blatant victim blaming. I really agree with you since it technically wasn’t his fault that Bramblestar died.
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Post by stupidflower on Jan 1, 2024 1:58:42 GMT -5
I have a lot but this one just came to me.
People still acting like Sunbeam's whole arc revolves around Nightheart after Thunder where she specifically realizes that she doesn't NEED Nightheart to be happy. She realizes that she's happier in ThunderClan than she was in ShadowClan on her own and specifically WITHOUT Nightheart, and learns to assert herself without him. She's not a repeat TBC 4-5 Bristlefrost. She has thoughts and feelings and goals and worries and friends outside of Nightheart. Sure, her relationship with Nightheart is a factor in what causes her to grow, but she did the work on her OWN throughout all of Thunder. She worked to prove that she wasn't JUST Nightheart's mate and that she could belong in ThunderClan without him.
People call her arc misogynistic because many of her recent actions have been influenced by her feelings for Nightheart. I don't like this opinion because it undermines ALL of Sunbeam's work, growth, and character outside of Nightheart. It makes her look like a personality-less, lovesick fool and ignores how she DOES make decisions of her own and still retains her personality. She doesn't just become a different cat and loses all that makes her who she is. I'm female and I honestly feel it's a little misogynistic to specifically categorize her character as just "revolving around a man" just because she made a decision based on who she loved. Of course we have had this issue of female cats revolving around a male with little additional traits, namely with Bristlefrost and many protagonist love interests, but this one feels different because she is deliberatly given time away from Nightheart to think about what she wants and grow as a character as well as keep her consitent personality. She's probably my favorite female protagonist after Frostpaw and I dislike how the notion that her arc just revolves around a man creates disdain for both Sunbeam and Nightheart.
Also don't like how people would rather Sunbeam be with Lightleap. Lightleap has been AWFUL to Sunbeam. Obviously it's fine to ship it but I don't like how people think that'd be better for Sunbeam because that relationship would be worse for her in cannon. Finchlight is RIGHT THERE for an alternative lol
This might be unpopular, and I'm open to critiscism here, as sexism is definitely a sensitive topic.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 1, 2024 9:41:38 GMT -5
Another: people who claim the only reason people like Firestar as a character is because of nostalgia.
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Aroace
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“Do you remember…the 21st night of September?”
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Jan 1, 2024 12:13:51 GMT -5
Another: people who claim the only reason people like Firestar as a character is because of nostalgia. THE RAGE THIS OPINION BRINGS ME IS REAL And that people only like the first arc because of nostalgia. Like bruh
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Post by whiteflight on Jan 1, 2024 13:00:18 GMT -5
Another: people who claim the only reason people like Firestar as a character is because of nostalgia. THE RAGE THIS OPINION BRINGS ME IS REAL And that people only like the first arc because of nostalgia. Like bruh This reminds me of whenever people in pokemon fight about which generation is the best. They always say that to people who like gen 1. Gen 1 was a good game it's just that as generation goes on they get better and better because the game developers fixes the game, add in more stuff, and technology advances over time. Sorry that this was off topic from the original thread. Though an opinion that gets me angry was already said Squrrielflight did nothing wrong and Bramblestar was abusive.
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Aroace
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“Do you remember…the 21st night of September?”
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Jan 1, 2024 13:13:14 GMT -5
THE RAGE THIS OPINION BRINGS ME IS REAL And that people only like the first arc because of nostalgia. Like bruh This reminds me of whenever people in pokemon fight about which generation is the best. They always say that to people who like gen 1. Gen 1 was a good game it's just that as generation goes on they get better and better because the game developers fixes the game, add in more stuff, and technology advances over time. Sorry that this was off topic from the original thread. Though an opinion that gets me angry was already said Squrrielflight did nothing wrong and Bramblestar was abusive. I feel like people who like the original of anything now always got clowned on for “liking it just because of nostalgia” which clearly isn’t true. I just wish people could actually take a moment and consider that maybe the original of the thing in question could just better suit the person who likes it’s taste.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 1, 2024 16:27:35 GMT -5
This reminds me of whenever people in pokemon fight about which generation is the best. They always say that to people who like gen 1. Gen 1 was a good game it's just that as generation goes on they get better and better because the game developers fixes the game, add in more stuff, and technology advances over time. Sorry that this was off topic from the original thread. Though an opinion that gets me angry was already said Squrrielflight did nothing wrong and Bramblestar was abusive. I feel like people who like the original of anything now always got clowned on for “liking it just because of nostalgia” which clearly isn’t true. I just wish people could actually take a moment and consider that maybe the original of the thing in question could just better suit the person who likes it’s taste. That's how it is with my liking Firestar. He's one of my favorite characters because he was the most relatable to me, his obliviousness and sense of justice and sarcastic humor and rationality and I could go on. I struggle to relate to a lot of major Warriors characters because they seem so... emotional to me? Or at least their emotional responses play large roles in the plots and relationships. Firestar is level-headed and rational, and doesn't make decisions that make we want to reach through the page and throttle him (unlike most other protagonists at some point). But nah, I only like him because of nostalgia
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jan 1, 2024 16:47:37 GMT -5
I feel like people who like the original of anything now always got clowned on for “liking it just because of nostalgia” which clearly isn’t true. I just wish people could actually take a moment and consider that maybe the original of the thing in question could just better suit the person who likes it’s taste. That's how it is with my liking Firestar. He's one of my favorite characters because he was the most relatable to me, his obliviousness and sense of justice and sarcastic humor and rationality and I could go on. I struggle to relate to a lot of major Warriors characters because they seem so... emotional to me? Or at least their emotional responses play large roles in the plots and relationships. Firestar is level-headed and rational, and doesn't make decisions that make we want to reach through the page and throttle him (unlike most other protagonists at some point). But nah, I only like him because of nostalgia I see Firestar as a pretty emotional character, to be honest. While also being rational at the same time. Those things can coexist in someone, after all. Although I'm moreso an emotional person myself lol. But yeah, examples would be him getting resonably upset at Graystripe and Cloudpaw for breaking the code, Clawface for his murder of Spottedleaf, Tigerclaw and Darkstripe for their treachery, Onestar for his utter audacity and so on. He's also quite passionate in his desire about wanting to help others/stand against injustice. Although I do guess he seems less emotional in comparison to some of the protagonists after him. Such as his daughter Squirrelflight with her expressiveness, his grandson Lionblaze with his anger, Dovewing with her overblown romance drama, Nightheart with his family issues and more. I do think Firestar also made some...interesting decisions out of a specific emotional attachment though (mostly in relation to Spottedleaf) imo. But he'll always be my favorite character. Nostalgia does play a factor for me, not the biggest one though.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 1, 2024 20:27:07 GMT -5
That's how it is with my liking Firestar. He's one of my favorite characters because he was the most relatable to me, his obliviousness and sense of justice and sarcastic humor and rationality and I could go on. I struggle to relate to a lot of major Warriors characters because they seem so... emotional to me? Or at least their emotional responses play large roles in the plots and relationships. Firestar is level-headed and rational, and doesn't make decisions that make we want to reach through the page and throttle him (unlike most other protagonists at some point). But nah, I only like him because of nostalgia I see Firestar as a pretty emotional character, to be honest. While also being rational at the same time. Those things can coexist in someone, after all. Although I'm moreso an emotional person myself lol. But yeah, examples would be him getting resonably upset at Graystripe and Cloudpaw for breaking the code, Clawface for his murder of Spottedleaf, Tigerclaw and Darkstripe for their treachery, Onestar for his utter audacity and so on. He's also quite passionate in his desire about wanting to help others/stand against injustice. Although I do guess he seems less emotional in comparison to some of the protagonists after him. Such as his daughter Squirrelflight with her expressiveness, his grandson Lionblaze with his anger, Dovewing with her overblown romance drama, Nightheart with his family issues and more. I do think Firestar also made some...interesting decisions out of a specific emotional attachment though (mostly in relation to Spottedleaf) imo. But he'll always be my favorite character. Nostalgia does play a factor for me, not the biggest one though. I didn’t say that he is never emotional. It’s simply that his emotional reactions don’t typically drive his decisions or actions, especially not major ones. Unlike 90% of other Warriors protagonists who frequently make choices based on their feelings. I’m not here to argue about my opinion, though, this is just me explaining that the “people only like Firestar for nostalgia” opinion is dumb.
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Post by kitters on Jan 1, 2024 21:08:55 GMT -5
"Dovewing is a Mary sue" this cat has so many flaws.
The closest I could think of in WC to a Mary Sue is star flower but even she has her own things so.
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Myrtleleaf
WORKING IN THE SALT MINES GETS YOU NO MONEY
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Post by Myrtleleaf on Jan 1, 2024 21:51:32 GMT -5
“Dovewing’s eyes are amber” BRO WHAT JINCWJIWBCJIWDBWDCIUWCDBIUWC NO! They.are.green.
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Currently questioning reality.
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Post by dryleaf on Jan 2, 2024 11:15:29 GMT -5
"Clear Sky 'redeemed' himself"
"Bramble is better/Squirrel is better"
"Hollyleaf had no character"
Those are a few that irk me
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Jan 2, 2024 15:04:05 GMT -5
I see Firestar as a pretty emotional character, to be honest. While also being rational at the same time. Those things can coexist in someone, after all. Although I'm moreso an emotional person myself lol. But yeah, examples would be him getting resonably upset at Graystripe and Cloudpaw for breaking the code, Clawface for his murder of Spottedleaf, Tigerclaw and Darkstripe for their treachery, Onestar for his utter audacity and so on. He's also quite passionate in his desire about wanting to help others/stand against injustice. Although I do guess he seems less emotional in comparison to some of the protagonists after him. Such as his daughter Squirrelflight with her expressiveness, his grandson Lionblaze with his anger, Dovewing with her overblown romance drama, Nightheart with his family issues and more. I do think Firestar also made some...interesting decisions out of a specific emotional attachment though (mostly in relation to Spottedleaf) imo. But he'll always be my favorite character. Nostalgia does play a factor for me, not the biggest one though. I didn’t say that he is never emotional. It’s simply that his emotional reactions don’t typically drive his decisions or actions, especially not major ones. Unlike 90% of other Warriors protagonists who frequently make choices based on their feelings. I’m not here to argue about my opinion, though, this is just me explaining that the “people only like Firestar for nostalgia” opinion is dumb. I get that and wasn't trying to argue your point that he is a pretty rational cat and especially as a protagonist compared to those after him. Just stated that I thought him to still be rather emotional imo and that I identify with and admire that part of him as a character. It's just neat that we both like him for those different aspects of his characterization, among other things (such as his sense of justice and sarcasm that you've already mentioned). I'm a fan of emotional characters in general (and like to see irl people showing their emotions) but completely understand that they're not everyone's so called "cup of tea".
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Post by Slightdapple on Jan 2, 2024 19:29:08 GMT -5
Also "Hollyleaf has no character." and "Bluestar deserved to go to the Dark Forest".
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 2, 2024 19:53:43 GMT -5
"Bluestar was a horrible leader/horrible cat"
She literally was fine before Tigerclaw's betrayal. She was shown to be a fair and just leader.
People judge her so harshly during her mental breakdown. You constantly see the fandom screaming for mental health representation, and when we get that Bluestar, it's nothing but negativity about her.
Either you want accurate representation or you don't. Make up your minds
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Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Jan 3, 2024 1:05:42 GMT -5
Why did people say Bluestar deserved the Df????? She barely did anything wrong. Apart from having kits with someone outside her clan, Snowkit's death was a mistake which she regretted for the rest of her life, and she only brought Mistykit and Stonekit to Riverclan to PROTECT them. How is that bad?? Like- I guess she was a bad cat for having the kits in the first place, but like, that's hardly DF material??
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Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
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Post by Nettle on Jan 3, 2024 1:11:46 GMT -5
Here's one that I thought was really weird "Ashfur had every right to be in Starclan." No. No he doesn't. He tried killing Squirrel's children for the sake of love, and if I recall correctly, I was really annoyed when Yellowfang explained why he was in Starclan. "Because he didn't actually kill anyone, and he was doing it for love." When did the sake of "love" become a reason. That's stupid. This is stupid. Yuck.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jan 3, 2024 5:07:15 GMT -5
Why did people say Bluestar deserved the Df????? She barely did anything wrong. Apart from having kits with someone outside her clan, Snowkit's death was a mistake which she regretted for the rest of her life, and she only brought Mistykit and Stonekit to Riverclan to PROTECT them. How is that bad?? Like- I guess she was a bad cat for having the kits in the first place, but like, that's hardly DF material?? The fandom likes to hold her actions, while not mentally well, against her. Let's be real here. Bluestar would have never done the things she did had she been her usual self. She only did all the messed up shit she did because she was likely in a severe mental breakdown. God forbid we give her grace for that
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Post by کیوان on Jan 3, 2024 16:06:04 GMT -5
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Medicine cat
Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Jan 3, 2024 16:41:43 GMT -5
Just- uh... I can't even...
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Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Jan 3, 2024 16:43:12 GMT -5
A close friend of mine said two things that made me go crazy. 1. Squirrelflight's my favorite character! ((I lost it.) 2. Purdy should just die. ((Again, I lost it. I also corrected her that Purdy was already dead, but she's a bit behind me so anyway.) You got angry 'cause your friend's favourite character is Squirrelflight??? Yes. Yes, I very much did.
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Post by کیوان on Jan 3, 2024 16:47:02 GMT -5
You got angry 'cause your friend's favourite character is Squirrelflight??? Yes. Yes, I very much did. Eh, that's not even the worst they could have done. Granted, my opinion on her fanbase is very poor, but that's largely due to some... takes I have witnessed in the past.
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