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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 12:01:35 GMT -5
I don't have many, the main one is that Mapleshade is innocent and everyone in TC at that time deserves the DF for not helping her
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 2, 2023 13:02:36 GMT -5
Squirrelflight being an angel
Ashfur being blonde. Like I get that it's meant to be fUnNy but it's just...not.
Mapleshade defenders
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 13:38:26 GMT -5
that squirrelflight’s hope was about morals and not politics- it was the perfect divide between morals and politics, and showing extreme sides to both.
another would be the whole bramblestar abusive nonsense, i swear you need to literally pin clues onto random scenes to debate that. but- whatever.
another would be that mapleshade didn’t kill her kits, like yeah oakstar was wrong to kick them out but patchkit literally was like “mom the waters rlly high” and mapleshade didn’t care.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 13:40:23 GMT -5
The Sisters are not sexist I see this take float around sometimes and just cannot believe my eyes. it infuriates me that people joke about the sisters saying like “omg they’re such girl bosses though!” like? kidnapping two innocent cats, maiming characters, and actively kicking out male kits isn’t funny or “girlboss”.
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Post by Moonblazer on Dec 2, 2023 14:49:47 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat.
The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove.
That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew.
That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat. The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove. That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew. That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh. god all of these are so real. especially the first and the second to last one. bramblestar being forced into kits after dealing with severe trauma from his first “litter” with squirrelflight should’ve been enough to keep him kitless- but he still put aside his feelings and had and loved his second bio-litter. it’s unrealistic enough to have the second litter with a cat who did break your trust, but to expect another one? in his elder age? ehh… and the nightheart one- forgive me if i’m wrong i’m rereading all the books from the beginning so i’m rusty on what happened in river/sky/shadow, but he wasn’t whining he was literally being outed as firestar’s kin and his mother (no hate to sparkpelt at all) wasn’t making it easier. nightheart literally had no one and his own sister left him as soon as he decided he wanted to pick a name that reflected him- not a cat who he had never met and only had a slight connection to.
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Post by lightfur on Dec 2, 2023 20:18:06 GMT -5
Snowkit dying being a good thing because "survival of the fittest." This is probably one of the worst takes I've ever seen.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Dec 2, 2023 21:39:42 GMT -5
Squirrelflight deserves better I personally think that she deserves better, but I also believe that bramblestar deserves better. The two of them aren’t a good match.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Dec 2, 2023 21:49:37 GMT -5
Spottedfire shippers. Also, the villain wiki says that splashtail groomed frostpaw? What? I’m sorry, but this guy was just acting like a friend to her imo. I haven’t read shadow in a few months so please correct me if I’m wrong but I think that he rejected her and said to let her become a warrior first.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 2, 2023 22:01:41 GMT -5
That Twigbranch should have kits with Finleap. Which is just... ugh... That reminds me of the opinion that “she owes him kits because he switched clans for her” or that she was “leading him on” which always just LORD... I've never seen anyone say that one before, but that's actually disgusting? Whoever says that NEEDS to be put on a list of some kind and investigated
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 2, 2023 22:05:00 GMT -5
Spottedfire shippers. Also, the villain wiki says that splashtail groomed frostpaw? What? I’m sorry, but this guy was just acting like a friend to her imo. I haven’t read shadow in a few months so please correct me if I’m wrong but I think that he rejected her and said to let her become a warrior first. It's pretty heavily implied that that's what his intentions were. When talking to Berryheart, he said "we'll get a medcat soon and I have ways of making her want to be one". It's speculated that he was talking about Frostpaw - and this was right after she confessed to him. He knew it was wrong to be with an apprentice but had intentions of using her love for him to manipulate her into taking a place in his illegal plot for power. That's pretty much textbook grooming.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Dec 2, 2023 22:06:32 GMT -5
Spottedfire shippers. Also, the villain wiki says that splashtail groomed frostpaw? What? I’m sorry, but this guy was just acting like a friend to her imo. I haven’t read shadow in a few months so please correct me if I’m wrong but I think that he rejected her and said to let her become a warrior first. It's pretty heavily implied that that's what his intentions were. When talking to Berryheart, he said "we'll get a medcat soon and I have ways of making her want to be one". It's speculated that he was talking about Frostpaw - and this was right after she confessed to him. He knew it was wrong to be with an apprentice but had intentions of using her love for him to manipulate her into taking a place in his illegal plot for power. That's pretty much textbook grooming. Yeah I really have to reread this book again.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 2, 2023 22:07:23 GMT -5
It's pretty heavily implied that that's what his intentions were. When talking to Berryheart, he said "we'll get a medcat soon and I have ways of making her want to be one". It's speculated that he was talking about Frostpaw - and this was right after she confessed to him. He knew it was wrong to be with an apprentice but had intentions of using her love for him to manipulate her into taking a place in his illegal plot for power. That's pretty much textbook grooming. Yeah I really have to reread this book again. I don't blame you, it didn't hit me at first either.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Dec 3, 2023 16:58:01 GMT -5
People that say only Mapleshade did wrong and all other characters in that book are innocent.
No they are not, almost everyone in that book sucks and the situation could have been so easily avoided
but people are so desperate to make it pure this cat good, this cat bad
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🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄
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Pronouns: She/her, they/them
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Dec 3, 2023 19:40:57 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat. The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove. That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew. That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh. 1. YESYESYES. Having children is something both parents should agree on. Personally I think Bramblestar made a good choice stating his opinion. Although he would still love those hypothetical kits, he wouldn't want to raise cats is he wasn't ready/able. His two litters had been tough- one not even being his (unbeknownst to him when raising them) and half of the other dying. Plus, with all the leadership conflict going on with the new territories, he may have had his paws too full to focus on fatherhood. 2. AGREED. It's the Pain Olympics that you see everywhere. "Oh you can't feel sad because someone else is having it worse". I can. Pain is pain, hardships is hardships, Tawnypaw was 100% valid to leave when her Clanmates never validated her at all. Again, the Pain Olympics thing is also because Bramblepaw was discriminated against his appearance and had it jut as hard and stayed, but it is Bramblepaw's decision, jut like how Tawnypaw's is Tawnypaw's. 3. Agreed. 4. The only way he deserved leadership was the fact that he was still alive and the heir under technicality. The same argument that prevented Nightstar from getting his nine lives. Hopefully AC will call his crap. When Berryheart wanted to leave since Tigerstar wasn't allowing her to be a Karen, he was like "yah go ahead since you are questioning me and I hate that". Berryheart is now more dangerous since she doesn't have a Clan to be tied down to. If her plans work solely because she isn't in ShadowClan, it would be his fault, and I hope this gets shown.
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Pronouns: She/her, they/them
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Dec 3, 2023 19:42:18 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat. The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove. That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew. That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh. god all of these are so real. especially the first and the second to last one. bramblestar being forced into kits after dealing with severe trauma from his first “litter” with squirrelflight should’ve been enough to keep him kitless- but he still put aside his feelings and had and loved his second bio-litter. it’s unrealistic enough to have the second litter with a cat who did break your trust, but to expect another one? in his elder age? ehh… and the nightheart one- forgive me if i’m wrong i’m rereading all the books from the beginning so i’m rusty on what happened in river/sky/shadow, but he wasn’t whining he was literally being outed as firestar’s kin and his mother (no hate to sparkpelt at all) wasn’t making it easier. nightheart literally had no one and his own sister left him as soon as he decided he wanted to pick a name that reflected him- not a cat who he had never met and only had a slight connection to. "I'm rereading the books from the beginning" "i'm RUSTY" lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 19:44:23 GMT -5
god all of these are so real. especially the first and the second to last one. bramblestar being forced into kits after dealing with severe trauma from his first “litter” with squirrelflight should’ve been enough to keep him kitless- but he still put aside his feelings and had and loved his second bio-litter. it’s unrealistic enough to have the second litter with a cat who did break your trust, but to expect another one? in his elder age? ehh… and the nightheart one- forgive me if i’m wrong i’m rereading all the books from the beginning so i’m rusty on what happened in river/sky/shadow, but he wasn’t whining he was literally being outed as firestar’s kin and his mother (no hate to sparkpelt at all) wasn’t making it easier. nightheart literally had no one and his own sister left him as soon as he decided he wanted to pick a name that reflected him- not a cat who he had never met and only had a slight connection to. "I'm rereading the books from the beginning" "i'm RUSTY" lol LMFAOOO 😭pun was unintended but that’s funny as hell
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 19:50:41 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat. The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove. That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew. That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh. 1. YESYESYES. Having children is something both parents should agree on. Personally I think Bramblestar made a good choice stating his opinion. Although he would still love those hypothetical kits, he wouldn't want to raise cats is he wasn't ready/able. His two litters had been tough- one not even being his (unbeknownst to him when raising them) and half of the other dying. Plus, with all the leadership conflict going on with the new territories, he may have had his paws too full to focus on fatherhood. 2. AGREED. It's the Pain Olympics that you see everywhere. "Oh you can't feel sad because someone else is having it worse". I can. Pain is pain, hardships is hardships, Tawnypaw was 100% valid to leave when her Clanmates never validated her at all. Again, the Pain Olympics thing is also because Bramblepaw was discriminated against his appearance and had it jut as hard and stayed, but it is Bramblepaw's decision, jut like how Tawnypaw's is Tawnypaw's. 3. Agreed. 4. The only way he deserved leadership was the fact that he was still alive and the heir under technicality. The same argument that prevented Nightstar from getting his nine lives. Hopefully AC will call his crap. When Berryheart wanted to leave since Tigerstar wasn't allowing her to be a Karen, he was like "yah go ahead since you are questioning me and I hate that". Berryheart is now more dangerous since she doesn't have a Clan to be tied down to. If her plans work solely because she isn't in ShadowClan, it would be his fault, and I hope this gets shown. to your first point, we also forget how old he is. he’s 10, she’s 8 1/2 (7 3/4 wtvr) but they’re both very old. she can absolutely want a litter, but to expect bramblestar to want kits in his age and with his stress is cruel.
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Post by Nettle on Dec 3, 2023 20:18:10 GMT -5
Appledusk did nothing wrong - He mated with someone outside his clan plus he cheated on Reedshine (sort of.)
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Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Dec 3, 2023 21:34:03 GMT -5
Snowkit dying being a good thing because "survival of the fittest." This is probably one of the worst takes I've ever seen. SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THAT???? I would have hated to see Snowkit grow up to watch all their littermates become warriors while they had to retire to the elders den as soon as they found out they were deaf, but "survival of the fittest" ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
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Post by Wolfyy- on Dec 3, 2023 21:51:50 GMT -5
Dude, JayXStick was ridiculous. I wasn't a fan.
ALSO people being upset over the ScorchXSnow first litter thing. Snow wasn't being creepy, it was an inconsistency on the writers' part. They wouldn't let that happen in any book. (Yes, I know that DustXFern has an age gap, BUT they didn't become mates or have kits until she became a warrior. And even then, he was a very young warrior at the time anyway.) It just irks me that that's immediately where some peoples' minds go. Just... no. Inconsistencies happen!!
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"A warrior never blames his Clanmates for his own mistakes, Lionpaw."
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Post by myusernameis on Dec 4, 2023 0:29:14 GMT -5
Brambleclaw and tigerheart are groomers, toxic
They are not, they are himbos
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 4, 2023 6:35:29 GMT -5
Appledusk did nothing wrong - He mated with someone outside his clan plus he cheated on Reedshine (sort of.) I understand the cheating one, but not the mating with someone outside his Clan one. The forbidden relationship rule was morally wrong anyways, breaking it shouldn't be seen as bad. By in-text characters? I can get that, but by readers, I don't really understand. That code was dumb.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 4, 2023 6:36:56 GMT -5
Dude, JayXStick was ridiculous. I wasn't a fan. ALSO people being upset over the ScorchXSnow first litter thing. Snow wasn't being creepy, it was an inconsistency on the writers' part. They wouldn't let that happen in any book. (Yes, I know that DustXFern has an age gap, BUT they didn't become mates or have kits until she became a warrior. And even then, he was a very young warrior at the time anyway.) It just irks me that that's immediately where some peoples' minds go. Just... no. Inconsistencies happen!! Dustpelt was implied to have had a crush on Ferncloud when she was an apprentice. I wouldn't use DustFern as an example to back up a point about an age gap, their whole relationship was pretty dodgy.
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Post by {Azure} on Dec 4, 2023 7:44:15 GMT -5
The idea that Bramblestar is being selfish by not wanting anymore kits when Squirrelflight pressured him, but if it were Bramblestar pressuring Squirrelflight to do the same, he would be an awful cat. The idea that Tawnypelt was unjustified in not wanting to remain in Thunderclan when she was actively being discriminated against and forced to prove herself when there was nothing she had to prove. That Nightheart was only being whiny/selfish for constantly being compared to a cat he never even knew. That Tigerheart is a good or deserving leader of Shadowclan in any capacity. Blugh. preach
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Post by lightfur on Dec 4, 2023 11:58:03 GMT -5
Snowkit dying being a good thing because "survival of the fittest." This is probably one of the worst takes I've ever seen. SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THAT???? I would have hated to see Snowkit grow up to watch all their littermates become warriors while they had to retire to the elders den as soon as they found out they were deaf, but "survival of the fittest" ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Yes. Because a deaf kitten dying was "realistic". Realism. In Warrior Cats. Honestly, if he would have survived, I would have thought that Snowkit would have been a warrior. His mother and Brackenfur were already willing to train him. I've also seen the same "survival of the fittest" argument used about Bumble. I've seen a lot of bad takes about her in general. (Like she would be useless if she went to the clans, which is plain wrong, and ignoring all the kittypets that became warriors.) Yes, she lied to Turtle Tail, but she didn't deserve to be essentially abused by Tom. It worse when the narrative already says that she can't be a warrior and calls her fat and useless.
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 4, 2023 15:28:37 GMT -5
Brambleclaw and tigerheart are groomers, toxic They are not, they are himbos Brambleclaw being a groomer is an opinion that makes me so fcking mad
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Nettle
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Post by Nettle on Dec 4, 2023 23:23:10 GMT -5
Appledusk did nothing wrong - He mated with someone outside his clan plus he cheated on Reedshine (sort of.) I understand the cheating one, but not the mating with someone outside his Clan one. The forbidden relationship rule was morally wrong anyways, breaking it shouldn't be seen as bad. By in-text characters? I can get that, but by readers, I don't really understand. That code was dumb. So true!! I think the Wc code is solid, but that part (as well as the medicine cat one) always icked me.
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Post by lightfur on Dec 6, 2023 11:36:10 GMT -5
Since I remember that people actually thought this, Honeyfern sacrificing herself to save Brairlight was a wasted effort because the latter would later become paralyzed.
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