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Post by EliDarling on Aug 13, 2022 16:45:18 GMT -5
I like gendering stuff, that's completely and utterly stupid, but I love it, aaah French, aaaah endless suffering, I know it seems super hard and all but we have real debates among us, like is it une chips or un chips, or... I had another example but I don't remember it... anyway you get the idea, it happens sometimes and it's like a competition when you check google and TADAAAA it's feminine, then it's pure joy for one team and dispair for the other.
There's also that old debate with Pain au chocolat or chocolatine, because the south of France would say chocolatine when the rest of the French-speaking world would say pain au chocolat. It's a memes now but people really jumped at each other's throat because of it.
Wait until they discover Belgians say a bunch of things differently from them. It's our inner joke you know, we ask to a random French what "plumier" means and they won't know, because of course as a Belgian you HAVE to know both, we know each and every difference we have between the Swiss and the French, but the French? AH, they'll know like two or three things because of memes, but the rest pffff what a bunch of weirdoes. I want to throw my "slache" at them and see if they even recognise it. They say "tong" TONG, THAT'S UGLy... "yeah I would like to buy TONGS" nah in Belgian we hear something and we create a word from it, slache comes from the *slach* *slach* noise the sandals make. There's the word "spitter" ( you say "spitté" ), because when you put oil in a pan it will explode a bit and make *spit* *spit*. But more than that we have ✨Walloon✨ nobody really speaks it anymore, but we kept a ton of words from it in our vocabulary, which makes it a ton funnier. "nenni hein, no didju, t'es biesse lê djons"
It's often associated with "baraki" culture now, which is sad, baraki means redneck if we take it as it is. Though Walloon is a whole culture, an omen to Wallonia, really that's a shame we're not taught Walloon cause I don't want people to forget about it.
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 13, 2022 17:08:10 GMT -5
*sigh*
my brother is 15 + going through his teen crisis = always aggressive, sulking and grunting
He's not funny anymore, he's not goofing around, making a ton of jokes and all, nah he just became mister "popular" he started smoking, drinking, wearing brands, partying
I don't know I don't get that stuff
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 13, 2022 17:26:50 GMT -5
I wanna have cult of the lamb like so bad, but I need to keep my money a bit longer
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 14, 2022 1:01:10 GMT -5
I slept, like 4 hours in a place that was not intended for sleeping. So... my body can care cause my back is crying right now.
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 14, 2022 5:45:59 GMT -5
Oh shit, oh shoot, I embarrassed myself, I just talked to myself, like I was doing a dialogue so imitating 2 CHARACTERS WHO AREN'T ME... IN ENGLISH, and my brother was there all along, omg I'm so screwed, I'm definitely a weirdo, a big weirdo, I'm going to say it was for a project and I was recording but damn I'm so so screwed. That's why I want to live alone, I want to be sure no one can enter my space, I want to feel safe. My god I hate myself.
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 14, 2022 11:56:56 GMT -5
I got so attached to Darkstripe while creating his character arc in the AU, since Oaksong will be his apprentice I don't want him to be the cliché of "saved by Mary-sue". I want him to be a pawn to Tigerstar until the near end, since I removed Scourge from it Darkstripe will be the one killing Tigerclaw... I really want him to have a dad-daughter relationship with Oaksong
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 14, 2022 12:14:10 GMT -5
Actually, I think I'll name her Sparrowfeather, I want her to have that hyperfixation with birds, she doesn't kill any, and collects feathers. When she gives you a feather she really loves you cause she prefers to keep them by her side. I would imagine her leaving her home for the first place because of that.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 14, 2022 12:52:08 GMT -5
Being aroace is super cool but damn the world really can't understand the concept of not loving romantically. Like, when I have a comfort character, or when I ship characters, or when I kin a character, I don't imagine romantically, I want to be their best friend sure. I love friendships with a ton of hugs and all, but I never understood people who imagined themselves in a romantic relationship with a fictional character, I guess I can't understand the concept of loving romantically. The whole stuff happening round Jospeh Quinn with toxic fangirls actually sexualising him, or saying they love Eddie only for his look, it's astonishing to me. Eddie is my fav right now, but because he reminds me of me and my friends, we play DnD and are ourselves no matter what, no matter if the world doesn't like openly queer, with a ton of different tastes ( metal, musicals, fricking books about cats ) people, then screw the rest of the world. I don't know, Eddie feels like that to me, and if I really like Joseph it's only because he's sweet, his little things like pulling his tongue out or something like that just feels like home, those mannerisms I have myself, and his acting is just so good, dramatic characters are really so good. But I would never sexualise him, or see him as something else than an actor I genuinely like for his care for his fans, his acting and his personality on screen. Fangirls scare the hell out of me. Duh when I learned the meaning behind sexy, the fact it actually mean you could bang with that person was a big shocker to me, like, seriously, people can think like that? wow. When I learned I cannot look at other people's lips too much because it would mean I want to kiss them when I just like seeing mouths talking ( I know it's weird ). I really cannot grasp the whole extent of romance, it just keeps you away from doing anything or else it would mean that or that, and the fact other people get it instinctively but I don't bugs me. THE WORST: HOW DIDN'T I SEE IT EARLIER! It's obvious, I've always been out of all that, I invented crushes to fit in conversations with my best friend, I always thought people were dating at like 25 but not before that, I thought my father had only dated my mom, same for my mom, and I thought they were friends before dating because for younger me it was impossible to date somebody if you weren't friend with them before, or else how would you know if the other fits you, right? WELL what a slap it was to enter high school ( in Belgium our high school is 6 years long so it's a mix of middle and high school for Americans ). The first group I was in only talked about boys, and make-up, and clothes, and drama. And me I was there with Fnaf knowledge right into my Undertale crisis. Then I left it for another group that mixed people way more nerdy, my closest friend in that group is also into fashion, she had a ton of relationships and all, but she talks about everything, including memes, video games, star wars and all, she is so sweet because she teaches me how the allosexual-romantic world works, and in that group there are like two other aromantics, one is asexual the other not, the aroace is completely clueless too when it comes to romance, the other is hyper sexual so he knows everything. Oh yeah because I had to learn romance is really close to sexual life. I thought people wouldn't bang before years of knowing each other, well screw me cause they do even the first night sometimes. I don't know, sometimes I feel lost, and I may not be seen as "normal" but damn for me it's the rest of the world that is strange. Wow that one was long but by accident XD This. I would rather have companions for life (not in a romantic way) than be in a relationship. When it comes to ships like RavenpawxBarley, I see them in the same light, but at the same time, when we're starved of good LGBTQ+ representation, especially in Warriors, I feel sort of obligated, even if just to myself, to automatically ship them as a gay couple, no questions asked? Like I would love more gay couples and other avenues of representation, but when it's one of the only ones, it seems "harmful" to only consider them to be "best friends"? Sorry for my vent here. lol I completely went on a side branch. Moving on! |
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 14, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -5
I don't know anymore, I might just create OCs like Dark Sun and their 32 damn cats 71 actually.  |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 4:23:36 GMT -5
Being aroace is super cool but damn the world really can't understand the concept of not loving romantically. Like, when I have a comfort character, or when I ship characters, or when I kin a character, I don't imagine romantically, I want to be their best friend sure. I love friendships with a ton of hugs and all, but I never understood people who imagined themselves in a romantic relationship with a fictional character, I guess I can't understand the concept of loving romantically. The whole stuff happening round Jospeh Quinn with toxic fangirls actually sexualising him, or saying they love Eddie only for his look, it's astonishing to me. Eddie is my fav right now, but because he reminds me of me and my friends, we play DnD and are ourselves no matter what, no matter if the world doesn't like openly queer, with a ton of different tastes ( metal, musicals, fricking books about cats ) people, then screw the rest of the world. I don't know, Eddie feels like that to me, and if I really like Joseph it's only because he's sweet, his little things like pulling his tongue out or something like that just feels like home, those mannerisms I have myself, and his acting is just so good, dramatic characters are really so good. But I would never sexualise him, or see him as something else than an actor I genuinely like for his care for his fans, his acting and his personality on screen. Fangirls scare the hell out of me. Duh when I learned the meaning behind sexy, the fact it actually mean you could bang with that person was a big shocker to me, like, seriously, people can think like that? wow. When I learned I cannot look at other people's lips too much because it would mean I want to kiss them when I just like seeing mouths talking ( I know it's weird ). I really cannot grasp the whole extent of romance, it just keeps you away from doing anything or else it would mean that or that, and the fact other people get it instinctively but I don't bugs me. THE WORST: HOW DIDN'T I SEE IT EARLIER! It's obvious, I've always been out of all that, I invented crushes to fit in conversations with my best friend, I always thought people were dating at like 25 but not before that, I thought my father had only dated my mom, same for my mom, and I thought they were friends before dating because for younger me it was impossible to date somebody if you weren't friend with them before, or else how would you know if the other fits you, right? WELL what a slap it was to enter high school ( in Belgium our high school is 6 years long so it's a mix of middle and high school for Americans ). The first group I was in only talked about boys, and make-up, and clothes, and drama. And me I was there with Fnaf knowledge right into my Undertale crisis. Then I left it for another group that mixed people way more nerdy, my closest friend in that group is also into fashion, she had a ton of relationships and all, but she talks about everything, including memes, video games, star wars and all, she is so sweet because she teaches me how the allosexual-romantic world works, and in that group there are like two other aromantics, one is asexual the other not, the aroace is completely clueless too when it comes to romance, the other is hyper sexual so he knows everything. Oh yeah because I had to learn romance is really close to sexual life. I thought people wouldn't bang before years of knowing each other, well screw me cause they do even the first night sometimes. I don't know, sometimes I feel lost, and I may not be seen as "normal" but damn for me it's the rest of the world that is strange. Wow that one was long but by accident XD This. I would rather have companions for life (not in a romantic way) than be in a relationship. When it comes to ships like RavenpawxBarley, I see them in the same light, but at the same time, when we're starved of good LGBTQ+ representation, especially in Warriors, I feel sort of obligated, even if just to myself, to automatically ship them as a gay couple, no questions asked? Like I would love more gay couples and other avenues of representation, but when it's one of the only ones, it seems "harmful" to only consider them to be "best friends"? Sorry for my vent here. lol I completely went on a side branch. Moving on! Of course the lack of LGBTQ+ character is a big BIG problem in warrior cats, but yeah, gay shipping shouldn't belittle friendship shipping. I'm kind of divided here, because it could be used as a way of shutting LGBTQ+ culture and existence, but at the same time it could be a feeling someone has, they might just prefer them as best friends. I think it's only bad when the motive is homophobia, else, as long as no ones pushes it in the shippers' face, then no problem I suppose. It's complicated. But yeah for me, if you don't ship the now "close-to-canon" only gay relationship then you must keep it away from the places where people are happy to ship them, sharing in private, no problem, sharing it on your public accounts without attacking the LGBTQ+ community, no problem either, but shoving it into the shippers' DM, under their post or anything is wrong. The anti-shippers just have to block or ignore those posts and no problem will occur. It's as simple as that. I don't ship Firestar and Spottedleaf but I won't go and try to cancel anyone shipping them. Now, if the ship is wrong, then yes cancelling might be better, first degree incest, second degree incest when it comes to humans ( with cats... meh... really meh, meh leaning toward no ), p3d0philia, toxic ( Stockholm syndrome, forced relationship,...) and z00philia ( of course warrior cats doesn't count bruh ). Those things are ô so wrong, but yeah, if it's not, then who cares. |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 5:26:43 GMT -5
un anchois or une anchois, that was the other example, it's un anchois, there's also après-midi which uses both
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 5:28:41 GMT -5
why are the leaders not reuniting more often? I mean, they end fighting aver nothing, damn, just talk to each other
And Jayfeather in Omen of the Stars ( I'm rereading ) just casually deciding he won't alert Firestar the Dark Forest was the one sending messages to Ivypaw... REALLY JAYFEATHER? HE MIGHT NEED TO KNOW!! SO HE DOESN'T LISTEN TO HER!!!
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 5:31:03 GMT -5
I wanna play red dead... so bad, but my bro got the ps4 I WANNA SEE ARTHUR, LET ME SEE MY BOAH
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 5:37:31 GMT -5
okay, so I don't like people, but sometimes I love my friends and there's those other times where I want to leave our server and forget about them. It's only short phases but still, my brain is screwed up, it shouldn't think like that but it does. I just hate my brain, really I don't like being like that, but I am, and sometimes you can't change everything, and that's something I'll never be able to change... but accepting it is hard when the rest of society just asks from you a highly social life.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 8:33:14 GMT -5
Of course the lack of LGBTQ+ character is a big BIG problem in warrior cats, but yeah, gay shipping shouldn't belittle friendship shipping. I'm kind of divided here, because it could be used as a way of shutting LGBTQ+ culture and existence, but at the same time it could be a feeling someone has, they might just prefer them as best friends. I think it's only bad when the motive is homophobia, else, as long as no ones pushes it in the shippers' face, then no problem I suppose. It's complicated. But yeah for me, if you don't ship the now "close-to-canon" only gay relationship then you must keep it away from the places where people are happy to ship them, sharing in private, no problem, sharing it on your public accounts without attacking the LGBTQ+ community, no problem either, but shoving it into the shippers' DM, under their post or anything is wrong. The anti-shippers just have to block or ignore those posts and no problem will occur. It's as simple as that. I don't ship Firestar and Spottedleaf but I won't go and try to cancel anyone shipping them. Now, if the ship is wrong, then yes cancelling might be better, first degree incest, second degree incest when it comes to humans ( with cats... meh... really meh, meh leaning toward no ), p3d0philia, toxic ( Stockholm syndrome, forced relationship,...) and z00philia ( of course warrior cats doesn't count bruh ). Those things are ô so wrong, but yeah, if it's not, then who cares. After some further thought I changed my mind on the subject. If there were plenty, plenty CONFIRMED gay relationships within WC, and if Ravenpaw's / Barley's own relationship was less noticeable, then I might be willing to interpret them as either or. But given it is basically confirmed by the Erin's (something I was unaware of until last night after I did some research), I do absolutely ship them now beyond a shadow of a doubt. In my opinion, anyone who doesn't is doing a disservice, but I'll end this there. |
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 8:40:05 GMT -5
why are the leaders not reuniting more often? I mean, they end fighting aver nothing, damn, just talk to each other This is due to general conditioning. Aside from SkyClan perhaps, and less so ThunderClan (at least under Firestar's leadership), the four Clans are very suspicious around each other, not to mention xenophobic. They fight with tooth and claws - that's the way they've been trained. (The word "war" is in "warrior", after all.) It also comes down to pride for many, especially the Clans' leader, deputy, and senior warriors.
It's pretty simple: The mindset of the average warrior is, "We need the other Clans to continue living, but we don't have to enjoy it. They are all our enemies and must be treated as such; protecting your own comes first. If you see a problem, obey your leader, go into battle, and shred them. Fighting with "words" is weakness." This was evidenced in Dark River when Hollypaw suggested the Clans talk to each other when an all-out war was about to break loose over a simple misunderstanding. ThunderClan was like, "Haha, nope. We'll rip them apart!" |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 8:42:58 GMT -5
Of course the lack of LGBTQ+ character is a big BIG problem in warrior cats, but yeah, gay shipping shouldn't belittle friendship shipping. I'm kind of divided here, because it could be used as a way of shutting LGBTQ+ culture and existence, but at the same time it could be a feeling someone has, they might just prefer them as best friends. I think it's only bad when the motive is homophobia, else, as long as no ones pushes it in the shippers' face, then no problem I suppose. It's complicated. But yeah for me, if you don't ship the now "close-to-canon" only gay relationship then you must keep it away from the places where people are happy to ship them, sharing in private, no problem, sharing it on your public accounts without attacking the LGBTQ+ community, no problem either, but shoving it into the shippers' DM, under their post or anything is wrong. The anti-shippers just have to block or ignore those posts and no problem will occur. It's as simple as that. I don't ship Firestar and Spottedleaf but I won't go and try to cancel anyone shipping them. Now, if the ship is wrong, then yes cancelling might be better, first degree incest, second degree incest when it comes to humans ( with cats... meh... really meh, meh leaning toward no ), p3d0philia, toxic ( Stockholm syndrome, forced relationship,...) and z00philia ( of course warrior cats doesn't count bruh ). Those things are ô so wrong, but yeah, if it's not, then who cares. After some further thought I changed my mind on the subject. If there were plenty, plenty CONFIRMED gay relationships within WC, and if Ravenpaw's / Barley's own relationship was less noticeable, then I might be willing to interpret them as either or. But given it is basically confirmed by the Erin's (something I was unaware of until last night after I did some research), I do absolutely ship them now beyond a shadow of a doubt. In my opinion, anyone who doesn't is doing a disservice, but I'll end this there. I think some people don't because they just can't see it, my two aromantic friends are also into Warriors but one of them just don't see it and likes them as best buddies, he actually sees everyone as best buddies because he is a romance-repulsed person, while I and the other are not, and we clearly ship them. But my friend is respectful and roots for our energy in the ship. He has no homophobic though behind it and doesn't shove his opinion when it is the subject, he says they're dynamic is great and all, but still never shipped them. It just happens. And when he read the first books et really liked the idea of an aromantic Barley, but yeah with time he had to see it was close to canon that they're gay, as long as he doesn't have a problem with it then everything is ok. |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 8:49:48 GMT -5
why are the leaders not reuniting more often? I mean, they end fighting aver nothing, damn, just talk to each other This is due to general conditioning. Aside from SkyClan perhaps, and less so ThunderClan (at least under Firestar's leadership), the four Clans are very suspicious around each other, not to mention xenophobic. They fight with tooth and claws - that's the way they've been trained. (The word "war" is in "warrior", after all.) It also comes down to pride for many, especially the Clans' leader, deputy, and senior warriors.
It's pretty simple: The mindset of the average warrior is, "We need the other Clans to continue living, but we don't have to enjoy it. They are all our enemies and must be treated as such; protecting your own comes first. If you see a problem, obey your leader, go into battle, and shred them. Fighting with "words" is weakness." This was evidenced in Dark River when Hollypaw suggested the Clans talk to each other when an all-out war was about to break loose over a simple misunderstanding. ThunderClan was like, "Haha, nope. We'll rip them apart!" I know, and I hate it, they just lose lives for nothing but pride. I would have preferred the separation between them to be more of a cultural need than a necessity, when I stumbled on Moonkitti's videos I was so happy to find someone else who would rather see real stories involving different kind of threat than just "that's my border, step back or I kill you and your family" "okay but it was just the tip of my tail, like geez... are you divorcing or something?". The stories are just boring when it's a factor, I would love to see solidarity for once, xenophobia is just horrible to see at some point and I hoped Firestar would make the clans improve a bit rather than following what everyone does, I liked him for gifting a part of the territory, but then he took it back just because "well star clan said it to that random apprentice you've talked to like twice". Hate is already horrible in the real world but their politics are even worse than here. |
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 9:06:15 GMT -5
I know, and I hate it, they just lose lives for nothing but pride. I would have preferred the separation between them to be more of a cultural need than a necessity, when I stumbled on Moonkitti's videos I was so happy to find someone else who would rather see real stories involving different kind of threat than just "that's my border, step back or I call you and your family" "okay but it was just the tip of my tail, like geez... are you divorcing or something?". The stories are just boring when it's a factor, I would love to see solidarity for once, xenophobia is just horrible to see at some point and I hoped Firestar would make the clans improve a bit rather than following what everyone does, I liked him for gifting a part of the territory, but then he took it back just because "well star clan said it to that random apprentice you've talked to like twice". Hate is already horrible in the real world but their politics are even worse than here. I won't get too deep into it since I'm not caught up yet, but I'd imagine Firestar was simply struck in the face that is reality at some point and decided to take a step back, and perhaps eventually, turn back around. He might have saw his younger self as a "foolish hero" and had let his stature get to him, interfering in events that didn't concern him. I'm genuinely curious if modern (in my case, future) Firestar would have saved SkyClan at all, or if he would have ignored the desperate cries from those anguished spirits.
As for the event above you described, I don't know what you're referring to exactly in terms of (I would assume for me, future) events, but the Clans (perhaps except ShadowClan?) do treat StarClan as flawless beings. It's one reason why I appreciate Jaypaw // Jayfeather. He calls them out on their nonsense all the time and sees them as flawed as when they were alive.
No-one stays the same forever. Sasha was once a frightened young kittypet who hardened into a loner. I am not sure on SkyClan's current status, but I am certain that with time, with enough tribulations and traumas, they will become much like the other four. Closed-minded, cut off from the land outside their territories, maybe even xenophobic. Perhaps that is the natural development process of most groups. You start out with confidence and fall with pride. |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 9:26:04 GMT -5
I guess I would want them to see each other as one unite like on the Great Journey, they have their differences, they have different clans, but in the end they're together and they help each other, even StarClan is pissed that they forget that the four-five clans have to survive and live together. It's not even for prey or real survival, in the end they just do that because they hate each other. That's why I liked when they finally allowed relationship between the clans, it shows that in the end they change and go toward something with more unity, and maybe less drama around forbidden relationship. I always saw the clans as the equivalent of Hogwarts' houses, they live so close to each other, their territory is literally next to another clan's, they're not really like countries because to me cats are not materialist and searching for money, I'd rather see them having pride in a peaceful way, not a "I wanna see every other clan die" kind of pride. I guess I just hoped the cats wouldn't be as greedy and uselessly violent like humans. I'm an utopian so I hate seeing pointless bloodshed, but when I first took Into the wild and read about the four clans I though they would just encounter new clans, new types of cats, human threat and fight it together, where you learn from the other clans rather than closing your door to them. If you celebrate each other's warrior ceremony then why not sharing solidarity. I really hoped the Greta Journey would change their ways, every trip they do just prove to them how they can live with each other but NOOOO.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 10:04:37 GMT -5
If I'm being honest, I highly doubted even from the start that the Great Journey would have solved any of these issues between the Clans. It's deeply ingrained in their culture. The young cats want to get their teeth and claws soaked with blood, and the senior warriors miss the glory days. It would take multiple generations of gradually increasing collaborative effort before they would even be open to the idea that cats from the other Clans are "anything like them". Even then, such a truce is not guaranteed to last, unfortunately. As the old saying goes, "peace is but a temporary break in-between two wars."
I agree that the bloodshed was very much pointless though. Sunningrocks was evidence of this. Mudfur saw this and retired to become a medicine cat, and tried to ignore the whispers (of him being a spineless coward) the best he could. New ideas, new perspectives are always challenged with the utmost scrutiny - no cat pays attention to them until they make their mark. I don't know what the relations between the Clans are like in the current books (nor do I want to know until I catch up), but if they're still xenophobic towards each other, I would honestly give it several more subseries at least before they might consider coming together.
And of course, there will always be a cat or two at least (ex. Mudclaw) who would assume it's all a trap, and try to spring it before it's "too late".
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Post by Leapkit on Aug 15, 2022 11:00:38 GMT -5
I don't feel like reading the entire thing or replying but in response to "not shipping raven barely being a disservice" I very strongly disagree and disagree with them being shipped at all when, before they retconned Barley's age they basically made it sound in the first few books like he was nearly as old as Bluestar because he showed up at the farm around then, Ravenpaw wasn't born until later, and was still technically an apprentice when he got there. It's a really disturbing age gap. I'm tired of seeing male relationships where one is clearly older and possibly taking advantage of the younger man's inexperience. It's vile.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 11:03:23 GMT -5
I don't feel like reading the entire thing or replying but in response to "not shipping raven barely being a disservice" I very strongly disagree and disagree with them being shipped at all when, before they retconned Barley's age they basically made it sound in the first few books like he was nearly as old as Bluestar because he showed up at the farm around then, Ravenpaw wasn't born until later, and was still technically an apprentice when he got there. It's a really disturbing age gap. I'm tired of seeing male relationships where one is clearly older and possibly taking advantage of the younger man's inexperience. It's vile. I was unaware that Barley was almost a senior by that point; I thought he was a year or two old. Oh dear... |
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Post by Leapkit on Aug 15, 2022 11:12:17 GMT -5
I don't feel like reading the entire thing or replying but in response to "not shipping raven barely being a disservice" I very strongly disagree and disagree with them being shipped at all when, before they retconned Barley's age they basically made it sound in the first few books like he was nearly as old as Bluestar because he showed up at the farm around then, Ravenpaw wasn't born until later, and was still technically an apprentice when he got there. It's a really disturbing age gap. I'm tired of seeing male relationships where one is clearly older and possibly taking advantage of the younger man's inexperience. It's vile. I was unaware that Barley was almost a senior by that point; I thought he was a year or two old. Oh dear... I don't totally remember what age was said he was supposed to be, but I swear I remember Bluestar's Prophecy mentioning there was a cat at the barn on the way, I don't think he was named specifically but as he was the only cat we know of ever being at that barn I feel like it had to be him. And it couldn't have been his mom or something giving birth to him, cause we know he was born in BloodClan. If people want to just say it was a different cat and go by his canonical age that the Erins have said, I totally get that. I'm just unable to look past how old he technically should be. |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 11:12:20 GMT -5
yeah I like the idea that he is way younger than what he is in the first books cause yeah, I only ship them from the mangas, in the books I didn't really care I was like "cat-"
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 11:13:57 GMT -5
I was unaware that Barley was almost a senior by that point; I thought he was a year or two old. Oh dear... I don't totally remember what age was said he was supposed to be, but I swear I remember Bluestar's Prophecy mentioning there was a cat at the barn on the way, I don't think he was named specifically but as he was the only cat we know of ever being at that barn I feel like it had to be him. And it couldn't have been his mom or something giving birth to him, cause we know he was born in BloodClan. If people want to just say it was a different cat and go by his canonical age that the Erins have said, I totally get that. I'm just unable to look past how old he technically should be. In the first book I think Bluestar says he has already helped her a lot, so it must mean a least a few years since he has been in the barn. So yeah Barley is an old boi. |
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 11:20:27 GMT -5
Though I think... age doesn't matter to those cats, Thornclaw *cough* *cough*
Is it wrong?
In cat society if it was real life: pff no it happens all the time, we just mate... mate
In human society: yes, total yes, it's not normal for an elder to be with a young one... DUSTPELT I'M LOOKING AT YOU SHE WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF 12
Warrior cats society: ... I won't say yes, but I won't say no, but it's not a yes...
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Post by EliDarling on Aug 15, 2022 11:21:17 GMT -5
Am I getting close to 200 already? it has been 15 days at most wtf, I speak too much, but I love it here it's peaceful
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Post by Leapkit on Aug 15, 2022 11:32:41 GMT -5
I get the "theyre cats" thing somehat cause yeah, real cats don't care. But when they are anthropomorphised and act like humans in a lot of other ways it makes it weird and begs the question, where SHOULD the line be drawn?
For me that line is, definitely with underage relationships, unless the characters already met as adults or are just older as is.
If you take a year or two age gap between apprentice and mentor... Yeah no that's creepy. Even if they get older. (Looking directly at you, Onestar, nasty ass.) If you take a year age gap between like, cats that are already 3 & 4 years old or more it seems fine to me. Basically because the whole first year to year and a half of a cat's life they are in child/teen/young adult stage meanwhile 2+ is Grown Adult.
And as for Thornclaw I feel like that was specifically written as a predatory relationship. I don't actually remember Dustpelt that much at all.
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Post by Dark Sun on Aug 15, 2022 11:40:54 GMT -5
I get the "theyre cats" thing somehat cause yeah, real cats don't care. But when they are anthropomorphised and act like humans in a lot of other ways it makes it weird and begs the question, where SHOULD the line be drawn? For me that line is, definitely with underage relationships, unless the characters already met as adults or are just older as is. If you take a year or two age gap between apprentice and mentor... Yeah no that's creepy. Even if they get older. (Looking directly at you, Onestar, nasty ass.) If you take a year age gap between like, cats that are already 3 & 4 years old or more it seems fine to me. Basically because the whole first year to year and a half of a cat's life they are in child/teen/young adult stage meanwhile 2+ is Grown Adult. And as for Thornclaw I feel like that was specifically written as a predatory relationship. I don't actually remember Dustpelt that much at all. While I don't compare the ages 100% one for one in all cases (ex. most queens in Warriors wean their young at 2-3 moons, which would probably be 5-6 years in human terms I suppose, and some have even gone for as long as 6 moons), yeah, totally agreed here. I didn't fancy Crowpaw / Feathertail, I didn't like Dustpelt and Fernpaw,... it doesn't sit right with me either. It's the anthro that's the problem. In nature, such distasteful acts might come down to instinct or "because nature doesn't give AF", but in a series written be humans where we all clearly know what's going on, and same thing for the characters... nope. |
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