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Post by mlpmi6 on Apr 9, 2023 22:37:22 GMT -5
so slow on my end, parltly lost interest but I still kinda want to keep on this so Ièll do a kinda post to keep it alive untill I really think of something
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Post by Lionstrike on Apr 14, 2023 19:01:21 GMT -5
The snake. It killed honeyfern... then what
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 15, 2023 3:49:50 GMT -5
The snake. It killed honeyfern... then what You actually asked this exact question (or rather had the same thought process) on page one of this thread. I quoted you back then and will now just put that answer here again as well: On the topic of that snake which killed Honeyfern, it was a plot device, not an inconsistency as the snake served the purpose of killing off a character thus leading to Firestar decide about letting deathberries be placed inside the camp. These berries served as a plot ploint later on when Hollyleaf threatened Leafpool with them. As to what happened with the snake, since there was no trace or mention of it afterwards, one can assume it was poisoned from the berries or simply forgotten about by the writers after Sunrise.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 15, 2023 4:02:42 GMT -5
The snake. It killed honeyfern... then what You actually asked this exact question (or rather had the same thought process) on page one of this thread. I quoted you back then and will now just put that answer here again as well: On the topic of that snake which killed Honeyfern, it was a plot device, not an inconsistency as the snake served the purpose of killing off a character thus leading to Firestar decide about letting deathberries be placed inside the camp. These berries served as a plot ploint later on when Hollyleaf threatened Leafpool with them. As to what happened with the snake, since there was no trace or mention of it afterwards, one can assume it was poisoned from the berries or simply forgotten about by the writers after Sunrise. To add onto this, the snake actually does get mentioned a few times in TFA! Jayfeather mentions internally that it hadn't taken the bait, which just makes Honeyfern's death feel even more pointless than it already was, at least to me.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 15, 2023 4:14:30 GMT -5
You actually asked this exact question (or rather had the same thought process) on page one of this thread. I quoted you back then and will now just put that answer here again as well: On the topic of that snake which killed Honeyfern, it was a plot device, not an inconsistency as the snake served the purpose of killing off a character thus leading to Firestar decide about letting deathberries be placed inside the camp. These berries served as a plot ploint later on when Hollyleaf threatened Leafpool with them. As to what happened with the snake, since there was no trace or mention of it afterwards, one can assume it was poisoned from the berries or simply forgotten about by the writers after Sunrise. To add onto this, the snake actually does get mentioned a few times in TFA! Jayfeather mentions internally that it hadn't taken the bait, which just makes Honeyfern's death feel even more pointless than it already was, at least to me. Oh, really? I forgot about that, completely. Then again, it's been a while since I've re-read PoT/OotS... So basically, the snake was still alive by the time TFA happened but at some point did end up no longer being mentioned afterwards, probably. Because it just simply had served its purpose in terms of the specific storyline. Poor Honeyfern deserved better than for her to die as a plot device, for sure.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Apr 18, 2023 20:31:22 GMT -5
Slow goings, since I've been into other things
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Post by Lionstrike on Apr 23, 2023 17:31:32 GMT -5
Yep, I remember . I was just wondering if I had missed anything in ASC or TBC (unlikely, yes, but not impossible). Thanks for the reply and re-summary though!
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Post by mlpmi6 on Apr 25, 2023 15:33:45 GMT -5
I know it's just to get back at ThunderClan most likely, and to get rid of decenders, but Tigerclaw ordering Graystripes kit's to be killed is kind of pointless. I mean he says that it's because they are half clan, but he is trying to merge all the clans as osne, so there really wouldn't be any kind of half clan.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 25, 2023 16:05:43 GMT -5
I know it's just to get back at ThunderClan most likely, and to get rid of decenders, but Tigerclaw ordering Graystripes kit's to be killed is kind of pointless. I mean he says that it's because they are half clan, but he is trying to merge all the clans as osne, so there really wouldn't be any kind of half clan. Generally speaking, that's the point, it's supposed to be pointless. Tigerstar never cared about the Clans merging so long as it benefited him specifically. It's the same reason for why he was never afraid of associating with outsiders even though he hated Firestar for being a kittypet (and later for getting in his way). And yes, it was indeed payback against ThunderClan, who had of course refused to join him.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 26, 2023 3:03:41 GMT -5
I know it's just to get back at ThunderClan most likely, and to get rid of decenders, but Tigerclaw ordering Graystripes kit's to be killed is kind of pointless. I mean he says that it's because they are half clan, but he is trying to merge all the clans as osne, so there really wouldn't be any kind of half clan. Generally speaking, that's the point, it's supposed to be pointless. Tigerstar never cared about the Clans merging so long as it benefited him specifically. It's the same reason for why he was never afraid of associating with outsiders even though he hated Firestar for being a kittypet (and later for getting in his way). And yes, it was indeed payback against ThunderClan, who had of course refused to join him. Perfectly put. Just adding on (for mlpmi6) that Tigerstar was a massive hypocrite who only ever really cared about what benefitted him in the end. No one else. He did not truly want to merge all four Clans together for peaceful reasons. But rather to have an army and all of the power over them at his paws. That was his true goal. He truly was a powerhungry hypocrite who hated outsiders/kittypets but then had nothing against also using them for his own gain (such as fighting alongside rogues to try and take over ThunderClan as well as him starting a relationship and having kits with a former kittypet Sasha and also conveniently overlooking the fact that his own kits with Goldenflower were technically half-Clan cats (albeit only by definition) since he had joined another Clan.
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Post by mlpmi6 on May 10, 2023 13:17:51 GMT -5
Generally speaking, that's the point, it's supposed to be pointless. Tigerstar never cared about the Clans merging so long as it benefited him specifically. It's the same reason for why he was never afraid of associating with outsiders even though he hated Firestar for being a kittypet (and later for getting in his way). And yes, it was indeed payback against ThunderClan, who had of course refused to join him. Perfectly put. Just adding on (for mlpmi6) that Tigerstar was a massive hypocrite who only ever really cared about what benefitted him in the end. No one else. He did not truly want to merge all four Clans together for peaceful reasons. But rather to have an army and all of the power over them at his paws. That was his true goal. He truly was a powerhungry hypocrite who hated outsiders/kittypets but then had nothing against also using them for his own gain (such as fighting alongside rogues to try and take over ThunderClan as well as him starting a relationship and having kits with a former kittypet Sasha and also conveniently overlooking the fact that his own kits with Goldenflower were technically half-Clan cats (albeit only by definition) since he had joined another Clan. I did figure that, but thank you for putting up with it lol. I can take things a little on the nose, and I did want others takes on it.
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Post by mlpmi6 on May 10, 2023 13:26:12 GMT -5
I've been on a Pokemon/ AA fix and have just been way too slow reading. Like a chapter every maybe frew weeks- a month. Not abandoning this just slowed way down
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