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Post by mlpmi6 on Jun 30, 2022 16:39:01 GMT -5
I'm slowly re-reding as I do a rewrite starting at into the wild and I very quickly ran into something I personally didn't think added up. So I'm going to be putting those here and hopefully people either agree or can easily correct me just to clear things up. Into the Wild: In the Prologue, Oakheart is the one who raised the victory yowl of the battle for Sunningrocks, leading to a retreat. Unless some time passes between that and the first chapter I don't follow fully how Oakheart supposedly dies. It always thought that them meeting Fireheart happened the next day, but that already doesn't fully add up with when Ravenpaw runs into the camp badly injured from the fight.
This is the first of undoubtably many, but I will probably be slightly slow as i am also doing a AU with some character shifting with the minor information I have gathered and a lot of head cannon.
EDIT: Just to clarify this is absolutely a chapter by chapter basses, I have not read anyhting past ark 2 fully and only TR for super editions. I like hearing what others to to fill in my gaps
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 30, 2022 16:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I understand the confusion, but due to how it ends, it's pretty clear that it isn't the same battle Oakheart dies in. In fact, the end of BP establishes that Bluestar doesn't even meet Rusty until a moon later.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jun 30, 2022 17:20:01 GMT -5
Bluestar's Prophecy? Thanks for that heads up, I havn't red the super editions save Tallstar's Revenge. I thought I had put that but nope lol took me a second to realize what BP meant but that was just me needing to go through the list of early books to put 2 and 2 together. Thank you
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jun 30, 2022 18:51:46 GMT -5
Nothing in Chapter 1 luckily but I realize it's the first book so it will probably not be that bad.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 10:28:11 GMT -5
Nothing really new except the use of Queen to describe Bluestar in chapter 2
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 15:22:47 GMT -5
Chapter 4 indicates wither a faceless queen or Goldenflower is Ravenpaw's mother, I don't hate the possibility that it was Goldenflower but I don't think any book right out confirms or denies it. Of course tell me if I'm wrong Though really, why didn't any of River Clan question what happened with Oakheart? Like they surley would have seen something of that and been like -no he didn't kill Redheart- for the same reason Bluestar wanted to deny that it was Redtail. This actually makes Even less sence With what little I know about RD because then he would have been the one to kill Oakheart and they would absolutely counter with that. Clan Couston Vs Clan Code is mentioned though I probably wont over focus on little first arc things that are clearly just them figuring things out
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2022 15:35:18 GMT -5
I hadn't realized you were going to go through every chapter, the wiki has entire pages dedicated to just the mistakes in each arc alone. Also, Ravenpaw's parents are Fuzzypelt and Robinwing.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 15:40:31 GMT -5
It'd just how I'm reading it. I'm hesitant to fully go on the word of the Wiki as per the Moonkitti video. Also I am kind of looking for inconsistencies, and on page it dose rather heavily imply that it's Goldenflower do to her quick reaction if that makes sence. I can update the original post to clarify what I'm doing. But it is as I read through it. It's been so long since I have read them though I have to admit. Sorry if this is a bit annoying to everyone I just want a place to put my little findings and discus what I find. I am going to ease up on the little first ark things for sure thoug to make it a bit clearer
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 15:43:29 GMT -5
I hadn't realized you were going to go through every chapter, the wiki has entire pages dedicated to just the mistakes in each arc alone. Also, Ravenpaw's parents are Fuzzypelt and Robinwing. Also that's giving my memory a lot of credit. I may from here go to each book alone just because it is avbsolutly going to take some time to get through, but the pace will probably change fairly soon.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2022 15:55:14 GMT -5
It'd just how I'm reading it. I'm hesitant to fully go on the word of the Wiki as per the Moonkitti video. Also I am kind of looking for inconsistencies, and on page it dose rather heavily imply that it's Goldenflower do to her quick reaction if that makes sence. You mean the video that's three years old now? The wiki seems to have been doing fine since then—better, even, from what I can tell. And even then, there have always been citations. As for Ravenpaw, Vicky revealed who his parents were several years ago and it's also on the official family tree, it just hasn't been confirmed in the text yet. And if you're referring to how the text calls Goldenflower a queen, this applies to every she-cat in ItW, regardless if they have kits or not. In Goldenflower's case, she actually is one, but generally speaking, I really wouldn't take it all that seriously if I were you, at least as far as the first book is concerned. Also, it's Goldenflower. She's a very caring cat in general.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jul 1, 2022 16:09:36 GMT -5
It'd just how I'm reading it. I'm hesitant to fully go on the word of the Wiki as per the Moonkitti video. Also I am kind of looking for inconsistencies, and on page it dose rather heavily imply that it's Goldenflower do to her quick reaction if that makes sence. I can update the original post to clarify what I'm doing. But it is as I read through it. It's been so long since I have read them though I have to admit. Sorry if this is a bit annoying to everyone I just want a place to put my little findings and discus what I find. I am going to ease up on the little first ark things for sure thoug to make it a bit clearer The Warriors Wiki might not always be right since they are also just fans running that website for other fans but it usually uses citation to make finding the sources of various information on there much easier when describing mistakes/inconsistencies/continuity errors and other things about the Warrior Cats series. On the topic of Moonkitti's video in regards to her dislike of the wiki, it's been a few years since then and the wiki has certainly done things to improve the overall quality of their database.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 17:08:51 GMT -5
It'd just how I'm reading it. I'm hesitant to fully go on the word of the Wiki as per the Moonkitti video. Also I am kind of looking for inconsistencies, and on page it dose rather heavily imply that it's Goldenflower do to her quick reaction if that makes sence. You mean the video that's three years old now? The wiki seems to have been doing fine since then—better, even, from what I can tell. And even then, there have always been citations. As for Ravenpaw, Vicky revealed who his parents were several years ago and it's also on the official family tree, it just hasn't been confirmed in the text yet. And if you're referring to how the text calls Goldenflower a queen, this applies to every she-cat in ItW, regardless if they have kits or not. In Goldenflower's case, she actually is one, but generally speaking, I really wouldn't take it all that seriously if I were you, at least as far as the first book is concerned. Also, it's Goldenflower. She's a very caring cat in general. No that's absolutely fair. I understand, I admit I partly noted that I just thought the possibility was interesting. I didn't realize the video was quite that old, and I'm not saying it's the worst. I do see where your coming from though.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 17:10:18 GMT -5
It'd just how I'm reading it. I'm hesitant to fully go on the word of the Wiki as per the Moonkitti video. Also I am kind of looking for inconsistencies, and on page it dose rather heavily imply that it's Goldenflower do to her quick reaction if that makes sence. I can update the original post to clarify what I'm doing. But it is as I read through it. It's been so long since I have read them though I have to admit. Sorry if this is a bit annoying to everyone I just want a place to put my little findings and discus what I find. I am going to ease up on the little first ark things for sure thoug to make it a bit clearer On the topic of Moonkitti's video in regards to her dislike of the wiki, it's been a few years since then and the wiki has certainly done things to improve the overall quality of their database. I don't dislike it persay. I more meant I take it with a bit of salt still. I will admit I might have gone a bit hard on it, I'm fully willing to admit that.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 18:12:59 GMT -5
My main focus is more on the Deputy deaths, I would really like to know people's opinions on it. Do we take into account RD's retconning, and what did Bluestar stay during the gathering where it was explained he died. If redtail had killed him you would think RiverClan would bring it up and if Bluestar said that Oakheart killed him don't you think the Rockfall would have been brought up?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2022 18:32:01 GMT -5
My main focus is more on the Deputy deaths, I would really like to know people's opinions on it. Do we take into account RD's retconning, and what did Bluestar stay during the gathering where it was explained he died. If redtail had killed him you would think RiverClan would bring it up and if Bluestar said that Oakheart killed him don't you think the Rockfall would have been brought up? RD's retconning creates a massive plot hole unless you think Ravenpaw was lying or misremembered it, except the RiverClan cats back it up as well. As for why it wasn't brought up, you can chalk that up to it being the first book, so alot of things wouldn't have been established then (this also goes for the first arc in general). In an in-universe sense, though, it's possible Bluestar and Crookedstar just didn't want to make things worse. However, it should also be noted that Firepaw didn't even go to his first Gathering until three moons after he'd joined, so he wouldn't have been there to see whatever talks Crookedstar and Bluestar would've had. However, this does make things a bit inconsistent with LH, as the Gathering after Oakheart's death is the same one we see in ItW, which of course wouldn't make sense timeline-wise (Leopardfur being deputy for only a few days at this point at most, as opposed to it happening three moons after Firepaw joins the Clan). Basically, just go with whatever was established first.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 18:38:35 GMT -5
basically it's the first arc being confusing. Just to clarify, you me the first one Firepaw attends to mean the one we see right? I'm pretty sure that is I just want to make sure I'm reading it correctly and not running myself in cercles
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 1, 2022 18:42:31 GMT -5
basically it's the first arc being confusing. Just to clarify, you me the first one Firepaw attends to mean the one we see right? I'm pretty sure that is I just want to make sure I'm reading it correctly and not running myself in cercles Yup! We actually miss a good portion of Firepaw's life as an apprentice. After he gets an apprentice name, it just skips to three moons later, he meets Yellowfang and basically becomes her caretaker, and only then does he actually go to his first Gathering.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 1, 2022 18:44:54 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying
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Post by Lionstrike on Jul 2, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5
Oh, I've got an inconsistency..... THE SNAKE! It killed Honeyfern, terrorized the clan for a moon, made Leafpool stuff a mouse with deathberries and thorns, then it just disappeared!!!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jul 2, 2022 13:59:51 GMT -5
Oh, I've got an inconsistency..... THE SNAKE! It killed Honeyfern, terrorized the clan for a moon, made Leafpool stuff a mouse with deathberries and thorns, then it just disappeared!!! OP is currently re-reading the first arc and not the third. But on the topic of that snake which killed Honeyfern, it was a plot device, not an inconsistency as the snake served the purpose of killing off a character thus leading to Firestar decide about letting deathberries be placed inside the camp. These berries served as a plot ploint later on when Hollyleaf threatened Leafpool with them. As to what happened with the snake, since there was no trace or mention of it afterwards, one can assume it was poisoned from the berries or simply forgotten about by the writers after Sunrise.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 2, 2022 14:50:12 GMT -5
Oh, I've got an inconsistency..... THE SNAKE! It killed Honeyfern, terrorized the clan for a moon, made Leafpool stuff a mouse with deathberries and thorns, then it just disappeared!!! OP is currently re-reading the first arc and not the third. I really don't mind spoilers, but keep in mind I also had ethe memory of a gold fish so I may forget what was posted behind. But if you want to mention things for like the Prequils and the before this happened super editions that would actually fill my gaps. i may loop back but I don't think so
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 2, 2022 19:05:01 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 2, 2022 19:17:01 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there? Not at all! Personally, I like to believe that Yellowfang was named after something yellow or someone with Yellow in their name, but the origin of her prefix is never actually explained. Her eyes have mistakenly been described as yellow a few times, though.
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Post by knight on Jul 2, 2022 21:43:50 GMT -5
I'm quite curious, how well do you think the first arc holds up so far? Not in comparison to newer arcs or other Erin Hunter series, but your opinion of the writing in general.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 3, 2022 10:28:11 GMT -5
I'm quite curious, how well do you think the first arc holds up so far? Not in comparison to newer arcs or other Erin Hunter series, but your opinion of the writing in general. I'm only going really really slowly as I'm doing a re-wright fanfic. There good, don't get me wrong. I just have a small attention span and I like shifting things to make them slightly more me if that makes any sence. It's a good book, but to be honest some of the chapters with 'cliff hangers' -mostly with approaching patrols in the first book, which happened 2 times so far- could be one chapter honestly, but that's just my preference, and I know would make some chapters a lot longer than others I'm likely just nit picking with that tbf To Clarift: It's one Fanfic Chapter then one book chapter I ended up starting over to clear things up so I'm at chapter 3 for the rewrite and chapter 8 for the book (A few have had 2 read chapters) Not that long Later and I realize the chapters could have what happened in them shifted slightly, but I don't hate it. There good for the age range they are going for and people with shorter attention spans like me. I realize I am also doing short chapters, though just because it's good pacing. Like I said before absolulty just being nit-picky with it.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jul 3, 2022 10:30:59 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there? Not at all! Personally, I like to believe that Yellowfang was named after something yellow or someone with Yellow in their name, but the origin of her prefix is never actually explained. Her eyes have mistakenly been described as yellow a few times, though. the one chance they had to maybe explain it and they went no, you decide. I was going to rename her but then I forgot to so I gave her yellow spotting lol. I actually changed a few cats designs mainly because I didn't look them up when I was describing them and I just went off the name -Otterslpash became brown and more Otter patterned, Yellowfang gained some actual yellow-
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 3, 2022 20:38:31 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there? In the super ancient Warrior Cats app, idk if anyone remembers it, it was said somewhere she was a kittypet and named after her collar? Though it was retconned obviously. Never made sense for it to be like that anyways lol
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 3, 2022 21:27:22 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there? In the super ancient Warrior Cats app, idk if anyone remembers it, it was said somewhere she was a kittypet and named after her collar? Though it was retconned obviously. Never made sense for it to be like that anyways lol That was never a thing on the old app at all. Are you sure you didn't see it on those "fact" videos/posts or something?
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 4, 2022 9:53:47 GMT -5
Pondering: Why the heck is Yellowfang named Yellowfang? I know sometimes they do the kits have there eye colours already, but at least in Into the Wild, her eyes arn't even yellow. There Orange. Is this different in like YS or is it at least explained there? In the super ancient Warrior Cats app, idk if anyone remembers it, it was said somewhere she was a kittypet and named after her collar? Though it was retconned obviously. Never made sense for it to be like that anyways lol i had the app but don’t remember that
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 4, 2022 14:35:38 GMT -5
In the super ancient Warrior Cats app, idk if anyone remembers it, it was said somewhere she was a kittypet and named after her collar? Though it was retconned obviously. Never made sense for it to be like that anyways lol That was never a thing on the old app at all. Are you sure you didn't see it on those "fact" videos/posts or something? Could've sworn I had seen it in the app when I clicked on her page. It's been years, so idk. If I still had my ipod touch I'd check
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