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Post by rabbit on Aug 2, 2022 15:54:34 GMT -5
It's kind of funny reading back through and getting to Bluestar's 'There are four trees, four seasons, so there needs to be four Clans" thing knowing that Skyclan is now a thing. I know, it kind of ruins it. Especially when a StarClan cat says it because technically they knew SkyClan existed as they are saying it. lol
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 3, 2022 16:27:28 GMT -5
When did that one happen lol? TBH I'm working on a re wright au and I'm joist bringing them back with Wind Clan.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 6, 2022 10:36:34 GMT -5
Sexond books been good so far with it's own rules and set up
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 6, 2022 16:02:49 GMT -5
Hmm. I just realized something. WindClan knew about Fireheart being a kittypet. I thought that they were run out before he was brought there for the longest time
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 8, 2022 14:02:33 GMT -5
I already brought up the gorge path not actually being a shotrcut. But why was Tigerclaw's patrol soo far out as well. It was sted they were in RiverClan's territory at that point, there shouldn't have been a good way for the Patrol to know of trouble unless they were trespassing as it was
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 9, 2022 15:45:28 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Bluestar named two of Frostfurs kits before they were six moons old, and only two of them for whatever reason. Greystripe even mentions that it was too soon. Like right after Brokenstar, even with the issue with RiverClan this seems irresponsible. And I don't get why not all four of them were ready
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Post by whiteflight on Aug 10, 2022 22:52:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Bluestar named two of Frostfurs kits before they were six moons old, and only two of them for whatever reason. Greystripe even mentions that it was too soon. Like right after Brokenstar, even with the issue with RiverClan this seems irresponsible. And I don't get why not all four of them were ready I think the only reason why she named only two of them was because it was for Fireheart and Graystripe since they were recently made into warriors she wanted them to learn how to mentor. If Ravenpaw stayed and became a warrior or if Dustpaw and Sandpaw became warriors then probably three or all of Frostfur's kits would have been apprentice.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 11, 2022 15:08:36 GMT -5
Cinderpaw remembers the scent of ShadowClan from the kits they brought home, but she was one of them herself.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 13, 2022 13:52:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Bluestar named two of Frostfurs kits before they were six moons old, and only two of them for whatever reason. Greystripe even mentions that it was too soon. Like right after Brokenstar, even with the issue with RiverClan this seems irresponsible. And I don't get why not all four of them were ready I think the only reason why she named only two of them was because it was for Fireheart and Graystripe since they were recently made into warriors she wanted them to learn how to mentor. If Ravenpaw stayed and became a warrior or if Dustpaw and Sandpaw became warriors then probably three or all of Frostfur's kits would have been apprentice. So blatant favoritism to some extent. There were other warriors that could have taken them; Mousefur, and Tigerclaw even if she really didn't think that Runningwind could handle bing a mentor lol, and there was no real reason given that Dustpaw and Sandpaw wern't ready to be warriors. Oh well, cant change things now
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 13, 2022 14:35:29 GMT -5
I think the only reason why she named only two of them was because it was for Fireheart and Graystripe since they were recently made into warriors she wanted them to learn how to mentor. If Ravenpaw stayed and became a warrior or if Dustpaw and Sandpaw became warriors then probably three or all of Frostfur's kits would have been apprentice. So blatant favoritism to some extent. There were other warriors that could have taken them; Mousefur, and Tigerclaw even if she really didn't think that Runningwind could handle bing a mentor lol, and there was no real reason given that Dustpaw and Sandpaw wern't ready to be warriors. Oh well, cant change things now Bluestar likely didn't think they were ready. A leader asks the mentor if they are for a reason, it's not just a courtesy thing. Plus, Fireheart and Graystripe were made warriors early due to the bravery they showed while getting Frostfur's kits back, so then getting two of her kits could possibly be seen as an extra reward. As for why only two of them, Bluestar makes it clear that she'd discussed it with Frostfur herself, who had apparently felt like only two of her kits were ready to become apprentices earlier than usual, but I can only guess that their kidnapping had something to do with it. It's also very likely they were older than, say, the kits Brokenstar had trained. And unless it's not meant to be taken literally, Bluestar also says "it won't be long before [they're six moons]". And Brackenkit, I kinda can understand since he always seemed mature for his age. Cinderkit, though? I feel like her being apprenticed early might've at least partially contributed to her recklessness. Either way, the entire thing is super weird, especially since no one brings up Brokenstar in relation to this and this sort of thing never happens again.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 14, 2022 16:06:45 GMT -5
So blatant favoritism to some extent. There were other warriors that could have taken them; Mousefur, and Tigerclaw even if she really didn't think that Runningwind could handle bing a mentor lol, and there was no real reason given that Dustpaw and Sandpaw wern't ready to be warriors. Oh well, cant change things now Bluestar likely didn't think they were ready. A leader asks the mentor if they are for a reason, it's not just a courtesy thing. Plus, Fireheart and Graystripe were made warriors early due to the bravery they showed while getting Frostfur's kits back, so then getting two of her kits could possibly be seen as an extra reward. I suppose, it isn't ever stated how much older the two are. Even with them being around five moons it's a little silly. It makes both Frostfur and Bluestar seem at least slightly irresponsible, especially considering just how hyper Cinderpaw is. If she was deemed ready, then logically they all probably should have been. I will give you Brakenkit; and I wonder if they just wanted to show two sides of things. With Braken being quiet, maybe a bit introverted, and mature; and Cinder being energetic, reckless, and still somewhat childish in her behavior. (Actually reading it again, she is hyper and she gets really easily distracted. I know it's due to her age as it goes away after her injury, but you could have another good set up for a cat with ADHD or the likes- like Moth Flight- if they had stuck with it. As such yeah, being apprentice early likly didn't help)
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 16, 2022 13:25:29 GMT -5
I wonder. Was Dustpaw in on the Thunderpath trap, or had he been tricked as well. I think he was meant to be a villian to some extent. But honestly he could be taken either way I suppose, so I wonder what you all think about it.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 16, 2022 13:33:38 GMT -5
I don't think Dustpaw knew about the Thunderpath trap Tigerclaw had planned to get rid of Bluestar with. This seems just a case of him ordering an apprentice, who happened to admire and not question him, to go run the errand of bringing their leader to look at evidence of ShadowClan hunting on their territory.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 16, 2022 15:32:45 GMT -5
I don't think Dustpaw knew about the Thunderpath trap Tigerclaw had planned to get rid of Bluestar with. This seems just a case of him ordering an apprentice, who happened to admire and not question him, to go run the errand of bringing their leader to look at evidence of ShadowClan hunting on their territory. Exactly this! You really need to think about this from the average Clan cat's perspective: Tigerclaw was obviously evil to Fireheart and therefore the reader, but for everyone else? Tigerclaw just seemed like a gruff warrior, but still one who would defend his Clan to the death. The only reason Ravenpaw didn't share this sentiment is due to both his experience as Tigerclaw's apprentice as well as being the only witness to Redtail's murder. And when Fireheart did try to tell Bluestar the truth? She didn't believe him and didn't even seem to be wary of Tigerclaw due to the lack of evidence. Even Graystripe didn't seem to take the threat all that seriously (though him being occupied with Silverstream probably didn't help, either). Even Fireheart himself had his doubts at one point. Apprentices will also occasionally take after their mentors, so Dustpaw's mentor being Darkstripe—Tigerclaw's most ardent follower—likely didn't help, either, on top of just being, well, an apprentice at the time.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 16, 2022 17:26:03 GMT -5
I don't think Dustpaw knew about the Thunderpath trap Tigerclaw had planned to get rid of Bluestar with. This seems just a case of him ordering an apprentice, who happened to admire and not question him, to go run the errand of bringing their leader to look at evidence of ShadowClan hunting on their territory. Exactly this! You really need to think about this from the average Clan cat's perspective: Tigerclaw was obviously evil to Fireheart and therefore the reader, but for everyone else? Tigerclaw just seemed like a gruff warrior, but still one who would defend his Clan to the death. The only reason Ravenpaw didn't share this sentiment is due to both his experience as Tigerclaw's apprentice as well as being the only witness to Redtail's murder. And when Fireheart did try to tell Bluestar the truth? She didn't believe him and didn't even seem to be wary of Tigerclaw due to the lack of evidence. Even Graystripe didn't seem to take the threat all that seriously (though him being occupied with Silverstream probably didn't help, either). Even Fireheart himself had his doubts at one point. Apprentices will also occasionally take after their mentors, so Dustpaw's mentor being Darkstripe—Tigerclaw's most ardent follower—likely didn't help, either, on top of just being, well, an apprentice at the time. your both probably exactly right, I just have a hard time reading tone sometimes, so I think I tripped that up lol. Would have been interesting to see if Tigerclaw had been a little more, covert I suppose and had actually gotten Fireheart off his back (though that's just a massive what if). Thank you both for the great imput
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 16, 2022 17:45:47 GMT -5
Exactly this! You really need to think about this from the average Clan cat's perspective: Tigerclaw was obviously evil to Fireheart and therefore the reader, but for everyone else? Tigerclaw just seemed like a gruff warrior, but still one who would defend his Clan to the death. The only reason Ravenpaw didn't share this sentiment is due to both his experience as Tigerclaw's apprentice as well as being the only witness to Redtail's murder. And when Fireheart did try to tell Bluestar the truth? She didn't believe him and didn't even seem to be wary of Tigerclaw due to the lack of evidence. Even Graystripe didn't seem to take the threat all that seriously (though him being occupied with Silverstream probably didn't help, either). Even Fireheart himself had his doubts at one point. Apprentices will also occasionally take after their mentors, so Dustpaw's mentor being Darkstripe—Tigerclaw's most ardent follower—likely didn't help, either, on top of just being, well, an apprentice at the time. your both probably exactly right, I just have a hard time reading tone sometimes, so I think I tripped that up lol. Would have been interesting to see if Tigerclaw had been a little more, covert I suppose and had actually gotten Fireheart off his back (though that's just a massive what if). Thank you both for the great imput Sure thing! And yeah, I get what you mean. Alot of villains in children's novels tend to have incredibly obvious ones at the expense of the other characters seeming incompetent, and Warriors is no exception. It's partially why the first arc is my least favorite. Fortunately, this isn't the case with at least a few other antagonists in future arcs and even other EH series.
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Aug 16, 2022 20:14:48 GMT -5
your both probably exactly right, I just have a hard time reading tone sometimes, so I think I tripped that up lol. Would have been interesting to see if Tigerclaw had been a little more, covert I suppose and had actually gotten Fireheart off his back (though that's just a massive what if). Thank you both for the great imput Sure thing! And yeah, I get what you mean. Alot of villains in children's novels tend to have incredibly obvious ones at the expense of the other characters seeminWith firestar out g incompetent, and Warriors is no exception. It's partially why the first arc is my least favorite. Fortunately, this isn't the case with at least a few other antagonists in future arcs and even other EH series. yes! Finally someone's least favorite series is tpb the villans are boring and tropy and the character as well the onlly character I liked were brightheart crookedstar tallstar to some extent and I guess yellowfang. Brightheart and was the onlly one who made it in top 30.with firestar sitting at 100
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 17, 2022 17:16:06 GMT -5
Sure thing! And yeah, I get what you mean. Alot of villains in children's novels tend to have incredibly obvious ones at the expense of the other characters seeminWith firestar out g incompetent, and Warriors is no exception. It's partially why the first arc is my least favorite. Fortunately, this isn't the case with at least a few other antagonists in future arcs and even other EH series. yes! Finally someone's least favorite series is tpb the villans are boring and tropy and the character as well the onlly character I liked were brightheart crookedstar tallstar to some extent and I guess yellowfang. Brightheart and was the onlly one who made it in top 30.with firestar sitting at 100 It's not my absolute least, but I only read the first three. It's really just because I can get some nostalgia from it, but at the same time going back through it might drop down to the worst. I did like some of the characters, like Yellowfang, Cinderheart, Brightheart, Tallstar (maybe more from his books but still a good character). But there was a lot of just incomitance, especially after Tigerclaw was banished and no one said why. That was just asking for trouble tbh Edit: Mousefur, cant forget how great Mousefur is
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 18, 2022 12:58:18 GMT -5
And so the fourth of Brindlefaces kits is long forgotten. Ie; Cloudkit was just brought to the clan and one of Brindleface's kit's passed, but she had four. So what happened to the fourth? i know this is very minnor it's just a bit silly
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 21, 2022 18:59:45 GMT -5
I finished the second book, and I'm realizing this is kind of a review. But why did they make Graystripe so hateable? I thought Sandstorm's growth was good, Dustpelt was eh, but what happened to Graystripe. He was just a down right jerk in this, and Fireheart had like next to no reason to forgive him. Also why couldn't Cinderpaw be a warrior. I get Briarlight, she was completely paralyzed, but Deadfoot had a dead forepaw, and for later in life injuries Brightheart learned to be a warrior still. Not going to pretend that she was completely forced to be a med cat, she wasn't but she probably could have learned still. I will admit I'm not disabled, so I'm not going to personally claim ablism or anything (I do think she could have been made neurodivergent, but that's me reading into things) but feelings?
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Post by Alexisawe on Aug 21, 2022 22:05:24 GMT -5
I finished the second book, and I'm realizing this is kind of a review. But why did they make Graystripe so hateable? I thought Sandstorm's growth was good, Dustpelt was eh, but what happened to Graystripe. He was just a down right jerk in this, and Fireheart had like next to no reason to forgive him. Also why couldn't Cinderpaw be a warrior. I get Briarlight, she was completely paralyzed, but Deadfoot had a dead forepaw, and for later in life injuries Brightheart learned to be a warrior still. Not going to pretend that she was completely forced to be a med cat, she wasn't but she probably could have learned still. I will admit I'm not disabled, so I'm not going to personally claim ablism or anything (I do think she could have been made neurodivergent, but that's me reading into things) but feelings? I think I've heard some people say that the reason why Deadfoot could become a warrior and Cinderpelt couldn't is because Deadfoot only had a 'dead' paw and Cinderpelt's was her entire leg. Then again, I still personally believe that she could've become a warrior regardless, especially with how young she was(6-7 moons, maybe even less considering she was apprenticed early) as people who are younger can adapt more easily than someone who has lived their entire childhood and part of their adulthood being able-bodied. (Not to say that full adults can't adapt, just that it requires much more effort to do so than it would with a child.)
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 22, 2022 19:30:23 GMT -5
I finished the second book, and I'm realizing this is kind of a review. But why did they make Graystripe so hateable? I thought Sandstorm's growth was good, Dustpelt was eh, but what happened to Graystripe. He was just a down right jerk in this, and Fireheart had like next to no reason to forgive him. Also why couldn't Cinderpaw be a warrior. I get Briarlight, she was completely paralyzed, but Deadfoot had a dead forepaw, and for later in life injuries Brightheart learned to be a warrior still. Not going to pretend that she was completely forced to be a med cat, she wasn't but she probably could have learned still. I will admit I'm not disabled, so I'm not going to personally claim ablism or anything (I do think she could have been made neurodivergent, but that's me reading into things) but feelings? I think I've heard some people say that the reason why Deadfoot could become a warrior and Cinderpelt couldn't is because Deadfoot only had a 'dead' paw and Cinderpelt's was her entire leg. Then again, I still personally believe that she could've become a warrior regardless, especially with how young she was(6-7 moons, maybe even less considering she was apprenticed early) as people who are younger can adapt more easily than someone who has lived their entire childhood and part of their adulthood being able-bodied. (Not to say that full adults can't adapt, just that it requires much more effort to do so than it would with a child.) Yeah it seemed a bit silly to me, I mean she was kind of depressed but at the same time she still could have absolutely gotten better. It's completely on Bluestar really for this one but not much that could be done
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Post by mlpmi6 on Aug 31, 2022 19:04:00 GMT -5
Just an update: A bit buisy reading something else to read the third boot atm, but should be back to it soon enugh. My attention span for reading's curently short cause it's prity warm here
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Post by mlpmi6 on Sept 10, 2022 13:16:53 GMT -5
Okay. i officiall read the prouloug of the third book, and this is the book. This is the one with Bluestar and her kits as a side plot. I know this is a reveiw, and I know all the books have the prolouge, but this one felt on the nose.
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Sept 10, 2022 16:03:53 GMT -5
Probable in Bramblestar's Storm when Graystripe calls Mistystar his kit :P
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Post by mlpmi6 on Sept 11, 2022 10:14:45 GMT -5
Problum? yes, funny? I find it amusing. little things like that arnt the worst to be fair considering how many writers there are
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Post by Jaysight on Sept 11, 2022 13:11:34 GMT -5
Probable in Bramblestar's Storm when Graystripe calls Mistystar his kit he also called stonefur his kit to. It also funny that he can remember the names for twoleg furniture earlier in the book but can't even remember his kits names.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Sept 13, 2022 22:48:53 GMT -5
Lol that makes it better
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Post by mlpmi6 on Sept 17, 2022 15:44:58 GMT -5
Yeah, quick update but this book has been a bit of a slog, so i've been focusing on other things.It's mainly because I'm already anoyed knowing what happens in this book, and the reasonings behind certain things.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Sept 18, 2022 12:51:56 GMT -5
Wow, I never realised hos badly Fireheart screwed over the posibility of catching Tigerclaw, by bringing up another issue. That was the stupidest thing he could have done, the hole thing could have gone so different if he had just focused on the situation at hand and let Bluestar think.
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