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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 18:12:02 GMT -5
I do have to sat, as of chapter 12, Thustplepaw is a brat but not evil, at least not yet.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 18:13:54 GMT -5
I do have to sat, as of chapter 12, Thistplepaw is a brat but not evil, at least not yet. At the moment, Bluepaw's kind of being mean. I know it turned out he was evil, but at that point, he really wasn't. He wasn't a great cat by any means, but it was at least a bit learned from Adderfang.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 20:11:05 GMT -5
Yeah so far it's just learned behavior. There is a lot to go, sure but in this contest, there isn't anything yet. But I will give that the same could apply to Tigerpaw, so I'll lement to that.
I'll count this as another truma, for Bluefur.
I will admit this might be slightly spoiled only child syndrome but he is also a brat, but I will give him he was consistent about white kits.
Bluefur's been through shit, I can give her that much. Hate to say it, but if Bluefur get to be this angry so dose Thistleclaw
this is more what i was leaning towards. SHe did have large episodeds of depression. And sure she would allways come around, but it was there to begin with. Yeah, betrayal would make it worse, but it dose show that she dose get to the point she can't preform duties when like this. Like even she knows this. Look I know you can function with depression; I don't even fully hate this portayal of Bluefur's isses. My current issue is she's kinda mean at times and -so far- has just been rude to Thistleclaw since he hasn't done anyhthing yet.
Ok at this point Bluefur has no reason to listen to Goosefeather, considering everything that she knows with him but this is still enough to get her to not trust him again. When he was playing with Whitekit. And heck, he even has a bit of a point when he tells her off for not having been around. This is absolutly wrong of Thistleclaw but t the same time, not evil. Like he's is a bad person, I'm convinced this book had very little of him actually doing down right evil save Tiny. I don't blame Bluefur for not liking him but he's not even that popular of a choice at this point.
He hasn't done anything yet! Bluefur I know you were right in the end, but what did he do at this point? All we have is like two other cats noting he might be a bad deputy, and one of them is Goosefeather who while he dose have prophacies, at that point shouldn't be listened to. All I'm saying is either she shouldn't have trusted Tigerpaw based on Goosefeather's warnings, or she shouldn't have been as much of a jerk to Thistleclaw. Ok Thistleclaw is mean, and cruel about softness, so at this point that's it. He's a bit battle eager, so he wouldn't make a good deputy sure, but again Bluefur hasn't got much to go off of. I get the Tiny part. This is the most evil part, and it's just as much Tigerpaw as it is Thistleclaw. I just want it to not be double standards. For one
Tigerclaw had done that when he unsheathed his claws during a training session, when both cats were still apprentices. Bluefur had blamed Thistleclaw.
Didn't she do almost the exact same thing? And that much had been an accident.
He’s more interested in the battle than in winning Sunningrocks, Bluefur guessed.
Bluefur knew that Tigerclaw was always ambitious. Again at this point he hadn't done anything, but attack Tiny. But at this point that's all that Thitsleclaw has been shown to have done too. At this point Sunstar knows she had deep bits of depression when she is greeving. get it but he wasn't even considering it. I fell bad for her sure, but I can;t like her choices. I cant with what little she had, the blood porphacy almost felt forced to make it seem like he was evil in this book. And yeah. he was a bad cat, that much was clear in Spottedleafs story.
Alright Finnaly thought, I don't know how I feel about Bluestar. I can't like her and while I don't blame her fer what she felt through this book she could be mean and a little whiny when it came to loss. And yeah, she was morning, but at the same time, I can't help but think she had a little bit of a double standard when it came to Tigerclaw. Thistleclaw did nothing overtly evil in this that Tigerpaw didn't do and that's a little hard to overlook. It's espetially hard with how easily she beleived Goosefeather when his sayings fir her bias but not when the same level was aplyed to Tigerpaw who turned out to be just as bad. All I ask is a little consistancy. I do wonder what she felt like with Firehearts accuations. Part of me cant help wondering if ever she stoped and went, I was the same way with Thistleclaw, maybe I should listen. At minimum pull what Sunstar did and keep him but keep him away from the deputy position. I don't know. Whith how adamant she was against Thistleclaw, it just feels like when Fireheart was acting the same way to Tigerclaw maybe she could have listened.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 20:21:39 GMT -5
Corect me if i'm wrong, but wasn't she like this in her Super Edition as well though? I haven't read it myself, so I might be wrong, but I've definitely heard that. I mean she was a bit paranoid about the hole Thistleclaw thing which caused one of her kits to die, when that situation could have been handled so much better by just talking. And I'll admits I might be biased because I've come to not really like her as a leader for a lot of her choices. Your right it works for a Dangerus path, I think at that point she wasn't just dealing with dementia. Not a doctor but at times she was outright paranoid. I didn't mean to be diminutive using the word crazy, and really could have picked a better word, but I don't think it's dementia alone. Even still, I more say it from a reeding perspective. Dose she hade reasons in universe? Sure. As a reader dose that make me dislike her sharater any less? No, not at all. You mean was she acting "crazy" (which she did not even do after Tigerclaw's betrayal since having dementia does not mean someone is crazy) in her SE? Nope. Considering that Thistleclaw did turn out to be evil, her so called paranoia and resentment of him there did prove to be correct in the end anyways. Perhaps you ought to read the book or at least the wiki summary for it yourself before casting judgement about her behaviour there though. Yes, the "who will be deputy" suspense between Bluefur/star and Thistleclaw could have been handled better without her giving up her kits to their father Oakheart. Especially since Sunstar later on told her he would have chosen her as his deputy regardless. But that's just what happened in the story and Bluestar regretted Mosskit's death very much afterwards. Paranoia is actually a rather common sympton people with dementia can experience. So Bluestar really was "just dealing with dementia" as you worded it since paranoia and delusions are a symptom of that. Here are a few more symptoms of dementia, including paranoia, some of which apply to Bluestar as well: Experiencing memory loss, poor judgment, and confusion Difficulty speaking, understanding and expressing thoughts Wandering and getting lost in a familiar enviroment Repeating questions Taking longer to complete normal daily tasks Losing interest in normal daily activities or events Hallucinating or experiencing delusions or paranoia Acting impulsively Not caring about other people’s feelings Losing balance and problems with movement You are free to dislike Bluestar, of course. She is a deeply flawed fictional character, after all. That being said, please don't refer to her having canonically confirmed dementia as being crazy anymore, as that's just not a good take. Replying to this one because my last responce was a bit long. I figured out what I was meaning. She did had bouts of deep peresson witch I'll give you would have made any condition brought on by the betrayal. I can kind of accept Dementia, and your right, i was hard on her. But I can't fully get past some things. I will personally never like Bluestar, I just can't see her in a good light with my lived experiance. I also have to say, I know mental heath can be hard and I quickly read Bluestar's Prophacy, but it was easyer to read. I know things like demntia are meant to be hard, but it just. It's very hard for me to not feel angry instead of sympathy. That's horible of me to say, but I think it's; for me Bluestar wasn't a great leader to start, and her behavior is upsetting. it's not entirly her fault, and I do have sympathy for her. It's just not entertaning. And things don't need to be happy to be entertaining. I wont pretend I can do Bluestar one better, but I almost wish we had more moment where it was a little easyer to sympathise with her. Heck one thing that could have been a little helpful for me to full rembmer that it's dementia, would be to **** with her balance and movement. I do have to appologise for calling her crazy. Again I forgot about the dementia and I could have been more sympathetic. On the mental health is a reason not an excuse, I have ADHD and a few other things. I know I can misinterprite things sometimes, and mis word myself. So to finalize I didn't mean to be rude, I just meant that in her book wasn't she prone to episodes of deep distrust and depression. Which she technically was. Might skim Spottedleaf's Heart, but telling on Thicstleclaw in that partly falls on her. Of course she is the victum in that book but. I'll read itand go from there before getting back to A Dangerus Path Edit: genetics can be a factor in feline dementia. Not saying it was necessary already there but there is a chance that her family was more genetically likely to have it. Not saying thqat was a fact but it is there
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 20:43:28 GMT -5
Yeah I can't find a full one
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 12, 2022 20:56:31 GMT -5
You mean was she acting "crazy" (which she did not even do after Tigerclaw's betrayal since having dementia does not mean someone is crazy) in her SE? Nope. Considering that Thistleclaw did turn out to be evil, her so called paranoia and resentment of him there did prove to be correct in the end anyways. Perhaps you ought to read the book or at least the wiki summary for it yourself before casting judgement about her behaviour there though. Yes, the "who will be deputy" suspense between Bluefur/star and Thistleclaw could have been handled better without her giving up her kits to their father Oakheart. Especially since Sunstar later on told her he would have chosen her as his deputy regardless. But that's just what happened in the story and Bluestar regretted Mosskit's death very much afterwards. Paranoia is actually a rather common sympton people with dementia can experience. So Bluestar really was "just dealing with dementia" as you worded it since paranoia and delusions are a symptom of that. Here are a few more symptoms of dementia, including paranoia, some of which apply to Bluestar as well: Experiencing memory loss, poor judgment, and confusion Difficulty speaking, understanding and expressing thoughts Wandering and getting lost in a familiar enviroment Repeating questions Taking longer to complete normal daily tasks Losing interest in normal daily activities or events Hallucinating or experiencing delusions or paranoia Acting impulsively Not caring about other people’s feelings Losing balance and problems with movement You are free to dislike Bluestar, of course. She is a deeply flawed fictional character, after all. That being said, please don't refer to her having canonically confirmed dementia as being crazy anymore, as that's just not a good take. All of this! In general, I also feel like people really underestimate not only how awful Thistleclaw was, but Goosefeather's role as well. Thistleclaw had always been too battle-hungry for his own good and had in fact only gotten worse by the time Bluefur gives up her kits. The fact that even Rosetail—Thistleclaw's own sister—thought he'd make a terrible leader should probably say something. As for Goosefeather, he would remind Bluefur of her destiny basically every time they interacted after she becomes an apprentice, including coming up with the idea for Bluefur to give up her kits while ThunderClan is going through a harsh leaf-bare. Bluefur also doesn't even really take the warning as seriously as Goosefeather wants her to until she herself has a vision of Thistleclaw being covered in blood. The choice was ultimately up to Bluefur herself, but it's not like she didn't have outside factors influencing her, either. Both are important to keep in mind. The fact that Sunstar even says he wouldn't have picked Thistleclaw anyway just makes the entire book really stupid though, and considering this series is what it is, I still can't really tell if that was intentional or not. And yeah, let's not call her crazy, either. Not when she had an actual disorder that affected her until she died. Again I'm sorry. I'm probably apologizing too much at this point, I just feal a little stupid for the implications. I mean your right, it's not the characters fault. And Crazy was the sort thing I could have called her. It's not even that I don't like the books it's just, I don't like how they handled it. After reading BP I never got the impression that other than him being cruel he was down right evil in that book. I mean there were the prophacys, but IDK I'm conflicted. I Feel like the writers had to put Bluefur having the prophacy to prove to us that he was evil. Like past Tiny and being a jerk, he didn't do much in that book. But really my coment was made too fast, and my subiquent didn't actually clear things up. I know I should have been more careful
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 21, 2022 20:55:28 GMT -5
Not much to add, it been consistant. I hate how Snowkit was handled,but that's about it
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Post by mlpmi6 on Nov 27, 2022 22:17:48 GMT -5
I've slowed down quite a bit
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Post by mlpmi6 on Dec 8, 2022 21:14:37 GMT -5
Everything's constant still
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Post by mlpmi6 on Dec 21, 2022 21:47:06 GMT -5
Alright I'm actually getting somwehre and I don't hate sneaky fireheart
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Post by mlpmi6 on Dec 27, 2022 18:58:25 GMT -5
Powering through so I can get to the next series. I know it may seem like I'm complaining but I do love these. I have a new Supper Edition, and the 5th serries now as well as two of the Novela colections so
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 8, 2023 13:03:57 GMT -5
I've come back around to reading A Dangerous path and it is officially the worst of them all. Its a little hard to read which sucks because I know the other books are good. I got the fifth series for xmas, and well. I might be getting the 4th for my birthday lol, but it will be a bit before I get there
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 9, 2023 15:48:44 GMT -5
I realized that Brindleface's death doesn't really line up. Like Cloudtail said goodby to her when they left to investigate the dogs, and as they are she is killed. This could just be me being slow, but I'm not exactly following that part unfortunately
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 10, 2023 16:16:05 GMT -5
I realized that Brindleface's death doesn't really line up. Like Cloudtail said goodby to her when they left to investigate the dogs, and as they are she is killed. This could just be me being slow, but I'm not exactly following that part unfortunately What part doesn't line up? Cloudtail said goodbye to Brindleface, he goes on the patrol to investigate the dogs, she goes hunting (as far as I can remember without a copy of ADP currently nearby or much wiki info aside from the essentials) and then the actual murder happens off-screen. We don't see Tigerstar but the patrol who found Brindleface knows it was him based on his scent on the dead rabbits making up the trail nearby to ThunderClan's camp. Not sure how much time exactly passed between the patrol going to investigate the dogs and Brindleface going out to hunt but I'm pretty sure it left Tigerstar enough time to put his plan into action and kill her. Maybe it's the off-screen part that makes it not line up for you? But that's just how it is.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 10, 2023 18:36:56 GMT -5
I realized that Brindleface's death doesn't really line up. Like Cloudtail said goodby to her when they left to investigate the dogs, and as they are she is killed. This could just be me being slow, but I'm not exactly following that part unfortunately What part doesn't line up? Cloudtail said goodbye to Brindleface, he goes on the patrol to investigate the dogs, she goes hunting (as far as I can remember without a copy of ADP currently nearby or much wiki info aside from the essentials) and then the actual murder happens off-screen. We don't see Tigerstar but the patrol who found Brindleface knows it was him based on his scent on the dead rabbits making up the trail nearby to ThunderClan's camp. Not sure how much time exactly passed between the patrol going to investigate the dogs and Brindleface going out to hunt but I'm pretty sure it left Tigerstar enough time to put his plan into action and kill her. Maybe it's the off-screen part that makes it not line up for you? But that's just how it is. Yeah, it makes a bit more sence when it's directly spelled out like that. Like I said it could just be me, and the way you put it, it's genuinly likly that it was just my ADHD and my issues with time tracking. Its hard IRL, and it can be hard in book. Thank you but thanks for spelling it out on one page. Goes from not making sence to me, to being a little bit of a strong coincidence that someone was out alone, but that's a non issue and genuinely just heavy nit picking at that point.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 11, 2023 5:13:23 GMT -5
What part doesn't line up? Cloudtail said goodbye to Brindleface, he goes on the patrol to investigate the dogs, she goes hunting (as far as I can remember without a copy of ADP currently nearby or much wiki info aside from the essentials) and then the actual murder happens off-screen. We don't see Tigerstar but the patrol who found Brindleface knows it was him based on his scent on the dead rabbits making up the trail nearby to ThunderClan's camp. Not sure how much time exactly passed between the patrol going to investigate the dogs and Brindleface going out to hunt but I'm pretty sure it left Tigerstar enough time to put his plan into action and kill her. Maybe it's the off-screen part that makes it not line up for you? But that's just how it is. Yeah, it makes a bit more sence when it's directly spelled out like that. Like I said it could just be me, and the way you put it, it's genuinly likly that it was just my ADHD and my issues with time tracking. Its hard IRL, and it can be hard in book. Thank you but thanks for spelling it out on one page. Goes from not making sence to me, to being a little bit of a strong coincidence that someone was out alone, but that's a non issue and genuinely just heavy nit picking at that point. I mean, cats going out alone to hunt is not really much of a coincidence, seeing as they've done it a lot in the books. Even in the first arc, but also very frequently in the ones following it. At this point specifically though, ThunderClan had mostly not been taking the threat of dogs seriously. So Brindleface just most likely thought that it was still safe and did not expect anything bad to happen, especially not to get attacked and killed by a former Clanmate to "help him" along with his plan of wanting to destroy ThunderClan via the dog pack.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 11, 2023 17:11:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes a bit more sence when it's directly spelled out like that. Like I said it could just be me, and the way you put it, it's genuinly likly that it was just my ADHD and my issues with time tracking. Its hard IRL, and it can be hard in book. Thank you but thanks for spelling it out on one page. Goes from not making sence to me, to being a little bit of a strong coincidence that someone was out alone, but that's a non issue and genuinely just heavy nit picking at that point. I mean, cats going out alone to hunt is not really much of a coincidence, seeing as they've done it a lot in the books. Even in the first arc, but also very frequently in the ones following it. At this point specifically though, ThunderClan had mostly not been taking the threat of dogs seriously. So Brindleface just most likely thought that it was still safe and did not expect anything bad to happen, especially not to get attacked and killed by a former Clanmate to "help him" along with his plan of wanting to destroy ThunderClan via the dog pack. Right. Right. No that makes sence. Forgot they didn't think it was a real threat at that point. That's on me
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 20, 2023 9:57:21 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes a bit more sence when it's directly spelled out like that. Like I said it could just be me, and the way you put it, it's genuinly likly that it was just my ADHD and my issues with time tracking. Its hard IRL, and it can be hard in book. Thank you but thanks for spelling it out on one page. Goes from not making sence to me, to being a little bit of a strong coincidence that someone was out alone, but that's a non issue and genuinely just heavy nit picking at that point. I mean, cats going out alone to hunt is not really much of a coincidence, seeing as they've done it a lot in the books. Even in the first arc, but also very frequently in the ones following it. At this point specifically though, ThunderClan had mostly not been taking the threat of dogs seriously. So Brindleface just most likely thought that it was still safe and did not expect anything bad to happen, especially not to get attacked and killed by a former Clanmate to "help him" along with his plan of wanting to destroy ThunderClan via the dog pack. Just thought of this, but wouldnèt the dogs already of kind of had the taste of cat blood with swiftpaw? its not the biggest deal but i would be interezted in your take on this one
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 20, 2023 12:02:02 GMT -5
I mean, cats going out alone to hunt is not really much of a coincidence, seeing as they've done it a lot in the books. Even in the first arc, but also very frequently in the ones following it. At this point specifically though, ThunderClan had mostly not been taking the threat of dogs seriously. So Brindleface just most likely thought that it was still safe and did not expect anything bad to happen, especially not to get attacked and killed by a former Clanmate to "help him" along with his plan of wanting to destroy ThunderClan via the dog pack. Just thought of this, but wouldnèt the dogs already of kind of had the taste of cat blood with swiftpaw? its not the biggest deal but i would be interezted in your take on this one I mean, there's not that much time passing between Swiftpaw getting killed by the dogs and Tigerstar killing Brindleface to finish up his rabbit prey trail leading to the ThunderClan camp. Tigerstar also knew about Swiftpaw's demise via the dogs and Brightheart's injuries since he insinuated his knowledge of that, besides the death of Snowkit as well, at a Gathering in ADP, if I remember correctly. So really, this was just a matter of Tigerstar wanting to lead the dogs to a specific place (the ThunderClan camp) by murdering Brindleface as if to say "Follow this trail and there will be even more cats for you to kill at the end of it!". I'm pretty sure he knew that the dogs already had a taste for cat blood and thus just wanted to use that (and them) to his advantage even more in his attempt at destroying ThunderClan.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Jan 20, 2023 14:16:59 GMT -5
Just thought of this, but wouldnèt the dogs already of kind of had the taste of cat blood with swiftpaw? its not the biggest deal but i would be interezted in your take on this one I mean, there's not that much time passing between Swiftpaw getting killed by the dogs and Tigerstar killing Brindleface to finish up his rabbit prey trail leading to the ThunderClan camp. Tigerstar also knew about Swiftpaw's demise via the dogs and Brightheart's injuries since he insinuated his knowledge of that, besides the death of Snowkit as well, at a Gathering in ADP, if I remember correctly. So really, this was just a matter of Tigerstar wanting to lead the dogs to a specific place (the ThunderClan camp) by murdering Brindleface as if to say "Follow this trail and there will be even more cats for you to kill at the end of it!". I'm pretty sure he knew that the dogs already had a taste for cat blood and thus just wanted to use that (and them) to his advantage even more in his attempt at destroying ThunderClan. Alright, thanks I knew you would be able to put it simple.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 20, 2023 14:47:59 GMT -5
I mean, there's not that much time passing between Swiftpaw getting killed by the dogs and Tigerstar killing Brindleface to finish up his rabbit prey trail leading to the ThunderClan camp. Tigerstar also knew about Swiftpaw's demise via the dogs and Brightheart's injuries since he insinuated his knowledge of that, besides the death of Snowkit as well, at a Gathering in ADP, if I remember correctly. So really, this was just a matter of Tigerstar wanting to lead the dogs to a specific place (the ThunderClan camp) by murdering Brindleface as if to say "Follow this trail and there will be even more cats for you to kill at the end of it!". I'm pretty sure he knew that the dogs already had a taste for cat blood and thus just wanted to use that (and them) to his advantage even more in his attempt at destroying ThunderClan. Alright, thanks I knew you would be able to put it simple. Sure thing!
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Post by mlpmi6 on Feb 5, 2023 20:51:09 GMT -5
I've been soo into other thigngs this has slowed right down, but I'm not compleatly stoping
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Post by mlpmi6 on Feb 13, 2023 14:56:10 GMT -5
No real update. Got through another chapter lol
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Post by oatwhisker on Feb 13, 2023 16:26:38 GMT -5
this is mentioned in greystripe's vow, but the erins just forgetting that willowpelt is greystripe's mother, which he mentioned. this annoyed me a bit, since willowpelt died so horribly, and greystripe should've been shown to be grieving, at least a bit (remember that her kits were grieving a ton). this was only corrected in GV, but then not discussed further. even if the excuse given was that greystripe prefered to grieve in silence (in GV), it was never actually addressed again. just rubs me the wrong way how parents are mentioned once, if we're lucky, and then never again. they seem to vanish for side characters, even if they are big side characters like greystripe, especially if they aren't plot relevant.
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Post by Featherstar on Feb 13, 2023 20:55:24 GMT -5
Sounds interesting so far. I like it.
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Post by mlpmi6 on Feb 23, 2023 18:26:09 GMT -5
this is mentioned in greystripe's vow, but the erins just forgetting that willowpelt is greystripe's mother, which he mentioned. this annoyed me a bit, since willowpelt died so horribly, and greystripe should've been shown to be grieving, at least a bit (remember that her kits were grieving a ton). this was only corrected in GV, but then not discussed further. even if the excuse given was that greystripe prefered to grieve in silence (in GV), it was never actually addressed again. just rubs me the wrong way how parents are mentioned once, if we're lucky, and then never again. they seem to vanish for side characters, even if they are big side characters like greystripe, especially if they aren't plot relevant. Your absolutly right
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Post by mlpmi6 on Feb 23, 2023 18:27:15 GMT -5
Sounds interesting so far. I like it. Thanks, i've been working on other things and it's gone rather well so far in the book. Blood Clan could have probably been like hinted at a bit sooner, and a bit more, but you know. That's nit picky
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Post by mlpmi6 on Mar 14, 2023 10:37:59 GMT -5
So far so good, going slow due to interest in other things, but half way done the book
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Post by Featherstar on Mar 27, 2023 17:10:18 GMT -5
Bump!
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Post by mlpmi6 on Apr 3, 2023 13:35:54 GMT -5
I hanèt gotten further partly due to wrighters block but getting back into i
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