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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 28, 2021 20:00:53 GMT -5
like would it really be legal to stand by and watch someone get mugged because you assume "that big guy over there can save them, not me" ? or would it ok to watch kids drown in a pool while the lifeguard is a few feet away? u'd go in there to do something until the lifeguard gets there. 100%. Have you heard of the bystander effect? This post reminded me of it. oh yeah forgot thats an actual thing
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Post by Spooky Alice on Nov 28, 2021 20:02:46 GMT -5
uh it is completely legal to not intervene in the real world?? no one would judge someone who can't swim In Real Life of not saving someone who is drowning (which btw it is extremely dangerous to do so if you aren't a professional or trained) People will judge someone who doesn't save CHILDREN. Adults? People understand because that is dangerous, but a 5-6 year old child? That's what this is in reference to. People don't really think about anything when it comes to trying to save kids. yes people will judge someone who doesn't save children but its still dangerous especially when you add in "can't swim" to the mix. can people judge frecklewish? yeah sure. what she did was morally wrong. but its not dark forest worthy im super not interested in like, arguing this point im just speaking from experiences
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 28, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -5
do people keep forgetting that frecklewish cant swim and that jumping into a flooding river is already considered borderline suicidal, or
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 28, 2021 21:19:00 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, I don't even care. The fiasco that was Mapleshade happened a long time ago, and revealing that Frecklewish is in the DF is basically just fan service. they want to give us some real Fan Service? Then exile Clear sky to the Dark Forest, that slimy scumbag has lied, cheated, manipulated and murdered and been abusive to so many cats. He mistreated his second mate, threw out his little brother for injuring himself, rejected his own kit because of reasons? Murdered 2 kits mother and then seriously contemplated to put them out of their misery in his words as the first option of handling them. And that’s only in the 2 books I’ve read so far, I’ve only heard about his further atrocities from other people but they sound vile. He’s a snake-tongued, cold-hearted, abusive pathetic excuse of a Tom and yet he’s allowed to prance around in Starclan without consequence, yet Frecklewish is condemned for stepping out of line once, makes zero sense to me .
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 28, 2021 21:39:11 GMT -5
do people keep forgetting that frecklewish cant swim and that jumping into a flooding river is already considered borderline suicidal, or We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help
if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
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Post by rabbit on Nov 28, 2021 21:49:23 GMT -5
do people keep forgetting that frecklewish cant swim and that jumping into a flooding river is already considered borderline suicidal, or We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help
if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
Good point. If someone or something was in trouble, I’d see it through to the end to make sure they are safe and taken care of. Freckle just assumed children she could see dying right in front of her would be ok, which lol. It’s clear that she did not care about the lives of the kits that much.
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Post by Fernsong on Nov 28, 2021 22:18:31 GMT -5
get rekt lol
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Post by daurianwind on Nov 29, 2021 4:11:44 GMT -5
Awful. More than awful. Totally unfair and disgusting. She did go to Dark Forest, especially if Oakstar who exiled Mapleshade in Star Clan.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Nov 29, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -5
do people keep forgetting that frecklewish cant swim and that jumping into a flooding river is already considered borderline suicidal, or We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help
if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
Considering there was a whole storm, strong rain, and a flooded river, i doubt they would have just heard Frecklewish yell above the roar. I think it's too quick to judge her, considering she might have been in a state of shock and wasn't able to snap out of it. And also, it's mentioned that at the time she was watching them, she already saw a patrol helping them. There was no need to get herself involved too.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 29, 2021 11:11:20 GMT -5
We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help
if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
Considering there was a whole storm, strong rain, and a flooded river, i doubt they would have just heard Frecklewish yell above the roar. I think it's too quick to judge her, considering she might have been in a state of shock and wasn't able to snap out of it. And also, it's mentioned that at the time she was watching them, she already saw a patrol helping them. There was no need to get herself involved too. Literally nothing was stopping her from trying though? If Nettlepaw had told Mapleshade that Frecklewish had ran to call for help, or at least tried to get others from even her own camp, or even tried herself, how much of a tune do you think Mapleshade would have changed toward her? How differently would that have painted Frecklewish in the narrative. Even if the patrol couldn't hear her, the fact that she at least tried would make much more of a difference for who she was a character over her leaving children to drown. And what state of shock? From the reveal of the kits and Mapleshade's exile? Was she still in shock when she decided to stalk after Mapleshade, out of her own camp into the storm, just to make sure a mother and her kits left TC territory for good? What if Mapleshade had stayed in TC, over crossing the river? Considering she had no qualms attacking Mapleshade in front of her children before, do you honestly think she wouldn't do it again? And this time with permission from her own leader, her father? Also, no offense, please quote the scene where it says that she saw the patrol already helping them and not her assuming the patrol would help them because she knew they were nearby.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 29, 2021 11:27:49 GMT -5
Also, Frecklewish is by no means anywhere near innocent.
Even before the trial reveal, she was gung ho about using the kits as tools of revenge, alongside her father, and even when it was pointed out their plans were borderline against the code, she had no qualms with still doing it. She and Oakstar wanted to use those kits to get back at Appledusk from the start.
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Post by 𝙵𝚎𝚛𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚙 on Nov 29, 2021 11:38:27 GMT -5
I’m neutral on Frecklewish going to the dark forest. Even if her actions were horrible, I don’t know if it’s bad enough for the dark forest. Unless she didn’t regret not helping the kits and was satisfied with their deaths.
The real victim of these new dark forest additions is Stumpytail
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Nov 29, 2021 11:51:29 GMT -5
Considering there was a whole storm, strong rain, and a flooded river, i doubt they would have just heard Frecklewish yell above the roar. I think it's too quick to judge her, considering she might have been in a state of shock and wasn't able to snap out of it. And also, it's mentioned that at the time she was watching them, she already saw a patrol helping them. There was no need to get herself involved too. Literally nothing was stopping her from trying though? If Nettlepaw had told Mapleshade that Frecklewish had ran to call for help, or at least tried to get others from even her own camp, or even tried herself, how much of a tune do you think Mapleshade would have changed toward her? How differently would that have painted Frecklewish in the narrative. Even if the patrol couldn't hear her, the fact that she at least tried would make much more of a difference for who she was a character over her leaving children to drown. And what state of shock? From the reveal of the kits and Mapleshade's exile? Was she still in shock when she decided to stalk after Mapleshade, out of her own camp into the storm, just to make sure a mother and her kits left TC territory for good? What if Mapleshade had stayed in TC, over crossing the river? Considering she had no qualms attacking Mapleshade in front of her children before, do you honestly think she wouldn't do it again? And this time with permission from her own leader, her father? Also, no offense, please quote the scene where it says that she saw the patrol already helping them and not her assuming the patrol would help them because she knew they were nearby. No offense, but what exact words would you have wanted her to say so they could save the kits? By the time she tried to yell above all that raining and flooding and catch their attention, it probably would have been too late. RiverClan would have to try to listen to her, and then catch the sight of the queen and her kits. They just wouldn't throw themselves into the river for a ThunderClan cat over the border. Hell, they probably would have been very suspicious and not just gone along with it the first time. There are many ways it could go.
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Post by Aqua on Nov 29, 2021 12:39:24 GMT -5
Remembering these scenes makes me feel bad for the kits. They truly are the only innocent characters in the book. Everyone else wanted to use them or just let them die. They just wanted a happy life with their mother.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 12:46:01 GMT -5
do people keep forgetting that frecklewish cant swim and that jumping into a flooding river is already considered borderline suicidal, or We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
do you know how loud a roaring, flooding river is? frecklewish could have screamed at the top of her lungs. for all we know she DID try to call to the patrol and they just couldn't hear her. also there's definitely room in the canon interpretation that frecklewish could have thought they'd already seen mapleshade. most of this is based on mapleshade's assumption that frecklewish wanted her kits to die, but we haven't actually seen any canon evidence that frecklewish was just like "oh look theyre drowning lol hope theyre okay, peace out". all we know is that frecklewish saw them fall off the stepping stone and that she saw the riverclan patrol nearby. anything else is literally just headcanon assumptions.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 29, 2021 12:56:29 GMT -5
Where exactly is it ever mentioned Frecklewish can't swim? Mapleshade managed to make it across the river too and her only problem was that she kept on dividing up her attention between multiple kits at once and that the water's pull swept them out of her grasp, not that she was too poor a swimmer.
Don't know how much bearing this has on Frecklewish's DF worthiness or not, but judging off of Mapleshade, Thunderclan cats CAN swim, and maybe even swim well enough to save one. Just not swim well enough to save more than one.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 29, 2021 13:44:10 GMT -5
Think it’s fair assumption that only the kits were innocent in thins scenario and the boom as a whole, aside from Ravenwing to me. The question is does breaking the warrior code once, or twice dependent on how you look at it, is warranting her going to the Dark Forest, personally I think no. And considering others have been granted entry after doing worse crimes, and continuously over a period and not just one or two incidents, I don’t see why she should be condemned over a single falling out from the code. It’s extremely unfortunate what happened to the kits, and yes would of been the right thing to do for Frecklewish to intervene and attempt to help in some capacity, though that doesn’t guarantee the kits would of made it anyway. End of the day imo majority of the fault is on Mapleshade for making the dangerous decision of attempting to cross the River with kits during a flood, and its her fault for breaking the code in the first place, which lead to her being exiled and put her in the predicament to begin with. Does it make the kits dying any less tragic, or Frecklewish not helping less wrong? No it doesn’t. But when you break rules inevitably there are gonna be consequences to face, and sometimes they end up being more heartbreaking and devastating then originally intended or anticipated.
With the logic behind sending Frecklewish we’re to stay consistent in the entire series, there’d be very few cats getting to Starclan, since most , if not all, have stumbled of the path during their lives regarding the code.
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Post by Ravenwing on Nov 29, 2021 14:10:08 GMT -5
If they ever put Ravenwing in the dark forest, I will be pretty upset since he is my favorite character and I named my sona after him. He was a young medicine cat who was struggling since his mentor died early and did his best to do his job. Mapleshade's kits getting exiled was Oakstar's fault, not Ravenwing's.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 29, 2021 14:48:01 GMT -5
Where exactly is it ever mentioned Frecklewish can't swim? Mapleshade managed to make it across the river too and her only problem was that she kept on dividing up her attention between multiple kits at once and that the water's pull swept them out of her grasp, not that she was too poor a swimmer. Don't know how much bearing this has on Frecklewish's DF worthiness or not, but judging off of Mapleshade, Thunderclan cats CAN swim, and maybe even swim well enough to save one. Just not swim well enough to save more than one. Well she is a Thunderclan cat, so she never had any prior training to swimming(Atleast it was never said that TC trained for swimming). Mapleshade also was using the stepping stones I believe. And even if Frecklewish could swim, the river was flooded during a storm so it be very difficult or near impossible for a thunderclan cat to swim in those conditions.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 29, 2021 16:06:43 GMT -5
Where exactly is it ever mentioned Frecklewish can't swim? Mapleshade managed to make it across the river too and her only problem was that she kept on dividing up her attention between multiple kits at once and that the water's pull swept them out of her grasp, not that she was too poor a swimmer. Don't know how much bearing this has on Frecklewish's DF worthiness or not, but judging off of Mapleshade, Thunderclan cats CAN swim, and maybe even swim well enough to save one. Just not swim well enough to save more than one. Well she is a Thunderclan cat, so she never had any prior training to swimming(Atleast it was never said that TC trained for swimming). Mapleshade also was using the stepping stones I believe. And even if Frecklewish could swim, the river was flooded during a storm so it be very difficult or near impossible for a thunderclan cat to swim in those conditions. Mapleshade wasn't using the stepping stones when she got to the other side, which she did by herself, no help from Appledusk needed. She almost rescued one of the kits too, just that the current ripped the kit out of her grip.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 29, 2021 16:23:34 GMT -5
this thread is making me ask deep questions.
would a warrior want to have a noble death, trying to save innocent kits? or would they want to live in guilt knowing that they stood by doing nothing and let kits die in front of them?
does this kind of thing even apply for the situation here? like yeah, thunderclan cats cant swim, but ALL cats have instincts to swim, riverclan or not. it's literally a real life biological instinct felines possess!
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 29, 2021 16:26:59 GMT -5
Well she is a Thunderclan cat, so she never had any prior training to swimming(Atleast it was never said that TC trained for swimming). Mapleshade also was using the stepping stones I believe. And even if Frecklewish could swim, the river was flooded during a storm so it be very difficult or near impossible for a thunderclan cat to swim in those conditions. Mapleshade wasn't using the stepping stones when she got to the other side, which she did by herself, no help from Appledusk needed. She almost rescued one of the kits too, just that the current ripped the kit out of her grip. Thats odd, but it is possible that she received training from Appledusk. The book was short so many things were left unexplained
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 16:47:06 GMT -5
Mapleshade wasn't using the stepping stones when she got to the other side, which she did by herself, no help from Appledusk needed. She almost rescued one of the kits too, just that the current ripped the kit out of her grip. Thats odd, but it is possible that she received training from Appledusk. The book was short so many things were left unexplained both Frecklewish's brother and Flowerpaw drowned to death in the river in the same book. in fact Flowerpaw died because she jumped in after her mentor to try and save him. it's also repeatedly shown multiple times in the main series that thunderclan cats are very lousy swimmers who've almost drowned multiple times (fireheart, graystripe, jayfeather, i believe dovewing too) and typically only survive because someone else saved them. also, mapleshade did not successfully swim, she had to be rescued by appledusk. further proving that jumping into the river was a suicide mission. which again brings me to my main point: frecklewish is not morally obligated to sacrifice herself for another character, especially if her chances of actually being able to save them are next to none. would it be very noble of her to try? yes. does not trying mean she deserves kitty hell? no. and before someone says "she could have called out" again, i offer the reminder that (1) we don't know that she didn't, (2) doing so would again be fruitless, (3) maybe she thought the riverclan patrol already knew. regardless one moment of potential negligence (that again is not canonical) that would have made no difference in the outcome is not such a morally reprehensible action to deserve eternal damnation in the afterlife. EDIT: just to be clear, im not saying frecklewish never did anything wrong ever. just that her "wrongs" amount to saying a mean thing and maybe, potentially not doing absolutely 100% everything she could possibly do to prevent accidental death.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 29, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -5
Thats odd, but it is possible that she received training from Appledusk. The book was short so many things were left unexplained both Frecklewish's brother and Flowerpaw drowned to death in the river in the same book. in fact Flowerpaw died because she jumped in after her mentor to try and save him. it's also repeatedly shown multiple times in the main series that thunderclan cats are very lousy swimmers who've almost drowned multiple times (fireheart, graystripe, jayfeather, i believe dovewing too) and typically only survive because someone else saved them. also, mapleshade did not successfully swim, she had to be rescued by appledusk. further proving that jumping into the river was a suicide mission. which again brings me to my main point: frecklewish is not morally obligated to sacrifice herself for another character, especially if her chances of actually being able to save them are next to none. would it be very noble of her to try? yes. does not trying mean she deserves kitty hell? no. and before someone says "she could have called out" again, i offer the reminder that (1) we don't know that she didn't, (2) doing so would again be fruitless, (3) maybe she thought the riverclan patrol already knew. regardless one moment of potential negligence (that again is not canonical) that would have made no difference in the outcome is not such a morally reprehensible action to deserve eternal damnation in the afterlife. EDIT: just to be clear, im not saying frecklewish never did anything wrong ever. just that her "wrongs" amount to saying a mean thing and maybe, potentially not doing absolutely 100% everything she could possibly do to prevent accidental death. Birchface had just gotten slapped hard enough in the face to be thrown from Sunningrocks, not exactly in peak condition there. Flowerpaw was an apprentice trying to save someone bigger than they were. Neither situation is comparable to someone in peak condition going after a kit much smaller than themselves. And again, Mapleshade did make it across just fine without any help from Appledusk. The only thing Appledusk did was help pull her up onto the shoreline after she had gotten a grip on a lowhanging branch, but this has nothing to do with swimming ability whatsoever, nor do I think it saved Mapleshade's life, but just made her getting onto the shore a bit easier.
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Nov 29, 2021 17:08:16 GMT -5
both Frecklewish's brother and Flowerpaw drowned to death in the river in the same book. in fact Flowerpaw died because she jumped in after her mentor to try and save him. it's also repeatedly shown multiple times in the main series that thunderclan cats are very lousy swimmers who've almost drowned multiple times (fireheart, graystripe, jayfeather, i believe dovewing too) and typically only survive because someone else saved them. also, mapleshade did not successfully swim, she had to be rescued by appledusk. further proving that jumping into the river was a suicide mission. which again brings me to my main point: frecklewish is not morally obligated to sacrifice herself for another character, especially if her chances of actually being able to save them are next to none. would it be very noble of her to try? yes. does not trying mean she deserves kitty hell? no. and before someone says "she could have called out" again, i offer the reminder that (1) we don't know that she didn't, (2) doing so would again be fruitless, (3) maybe she thought the riverclan patrol already knew. regardless one moment of potential negligence (that again is not canonical) that would have made no difference in the outcome is not such a morally reprehensible action to deserve eternal damnation in the afterlife. EDIT: just to be clear, im not saying frecklewish never did anything wrong ever. just that her "wrongs" amount to saying a mean thing and maybe, potentially not doing absolutely 100% everything she could possibly do to prevent accidental death. Birchface had just gotten slapped hard enough in the face to be thrown from Sunningrocks, not exactly in peak condition there. Flowerpaw was an apprentice trying to save someone bigger than they were. Neither situation is comparable to someone in peak condition going after a kit much smaller than themselves. And again, Mapleshade did make it across just fine without any help from Appledusk. The only thing Appledusk did was help pull her up onto the shoreline after she had gotten a grip on a lowhanging branch, but this has nothing to do with swimming ability whatsoever, nor do I think it saved Mapleshade's life, but just made her getting onto the shore a bit easier. Isn't Mapleshade more of an outlier here though? Almost every other scene with Thunderclan cats in water never ends well. And if thunderclan cats could swim, especially if they could in the stormy conditions, wouldn't they need training? That would mean flowerpaw would've been able to swim since she's training to become a warrior.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 17:26:38 GMT -5
both Frecklewish's brother and Flowerpaw drowned to death in the river in the same book. in fact Flowerpaw died because she jumped in after her mentor to try and save him. it's also repeatedly shown multiple times in the main series that thunderclan cats are very lousy swimmers who've almost drowned multiple times (fireheart, graystripe, jayfeather, i believe dovewing too) and typically only survive because someone else saved them. also, mapleshade did not successfully swim, she had to be rescued by appledusk. further proving that jumping into the river was a suicide mission. which again brings me to my main point: frecklewish is not morally obligated to sacrifice herself for another character, especially if her chances of actually being able to save them are next to none. would it be very noble of her to try? yes. does not trying mean she deserves kitty hell? no. and before someone says "she could have called out" again, i offer the reminder that (1) we don't know that she didn't, (2) doing so would again be fruitless, (3) maybe she thought the riverclan patrol already knew. regardless one moment of potential negligence (that again is not canonical) that would have made no difference in the outcome is not such a morally reprehensible action to deserve eternal damnation in the afterlife. EDIT: just to be clear, im not saying frecklewish never did anything wrong ever. just that her "wrongs" amount to saying a mean thing and maybe, potentially not doing absolutely 100% everything she could possibly do to prevent accidental death. Birchface had just gotten slapped hard enough in the face to be thrown from Sunningrocks, not exactly in peak condition there. Flowerpaw was an apprentice trying to save someone bigger than they were. Neither situation is comparable to someone in peak condition going after a kit much smaller than themselves. And again, Mapleshade did make it across just fine without any help from Appledusk. The only thing Appledusk did was help pull her up onto the shoreline after she had gotten a grip on a lowhanging branch, but this has nothing to do with swimming ability whatsoever, nor do I think it saved Mapleshade's life, but just made her getting onto the shore a bit easier. As I already pointed out, every other time a ThunderClan has tried to swim that I can recall has almost ended with them drowning, if not actually drowned. Additionally, even if Frecklewish was in "peak condition", the river was flooding and it was the middle of a huge storm. So even if she had some basic, rudimentary swimming skills a la instincts, it's still a very dangerous situation -- even for more experienced swimmers. So again the moral question in this particular framing is whether Frecklewish not seriously risking her own life (esp if she thought better equipped help was in a position to assist) constitutes an evil so great as to be damned to kitty hell.
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 29, 2021 19:39:27 GMT -5
Birchface had just gotten slapped hard enough in the face to be thrown from Sunningrocks, not exactly in peak condition there. Flowerpaw was an apprentice trying to save someone bigger than they were. Neither situation is comparable to someone in peak condition going after a kit much smaller than themselves. And again, Mapleshade did make it across just fine without any help from Appledusk. The only thing Appledusk did was help pull her up onto the shoreline after she had gotten a grip on a lowhanging branch, but this has nothing to do with swimming ability whatsoever, nor do I think it saved Mapleshade's life, but just made her getting onto the shore a bit easier. As I already pointed out, every other time a ThunderClan has tried to swim that I can recall has almost ended with them drowning, if not actually drowned. Additionally, even if Frecklewish was in "peak condition", the river was flooding and it was the middle of a huge storm. So even if she had some basic, rudimentary swimming skills a la instincts, it's still a very dangerous situation -- even for more experienced swimmers. So again the moral question in this particular framing is whether Frecklewish not seriously risking her own life (esp if she thought better equipped help was in a position to assist) constitutes an evil so great as to be damned to kitty hell. That's fine, my point is just that painting it as Frecklewish can't swim because Thunderclan ignores the fact that in the very same scene, we get a Thunderclan cat crossing the river. One can argue she's not a strong enough swimmer or that even if she was, it was too risky, but the extreme taken of being unable to swim is not supported
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 29, 2021 19:59:06 GMT -5
We're more so mentioning the fact she didn't even yell for help if the riverclan patrol knew from the start there were kits in the river they would have been saved
do you know how loud a roaring, flooding river is? frecklewish could have screamed at the top of her lungs. for all we know she DID try to call to the patrol and they just couldn't hear her. also there's definitely room in the canon interpretation that frecklewish could have thought they'd already seen mapleshade. most of this is based on mapleshade's assumption that frecklewish wanted her kits to die, but we haven't actually seen any canon evidence that frecklewish was just like "oh look theyre drowning lol hope theyre okay, peace out". all we know is that frecklewish saw them fall off the stepping stone and that she saw the riverclan patrol nearby. anything else is literally just headcanon assumptions.
i guess it jsut comes down to interpretation I personally don't see Frecklewish calling out for help however I can totally get how someone else would
frecklewish novelle when
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 29, 2021 20:32:06 GMT -5
do you know how loud a roaring, flooding river is? frecklewish could have screamed at the top of her lungs. for all we know she DID try to call to the patrol and they just couldn't hear her. also there's definitely room in the canon interpretation that frecklewish could have thought they'd already seen mapleshade. most of this is based on mapleshade's assumption that frecklewish wanted her kits to die, but we haven't actually seen any canon evidence that frecklewish was just like "oh look theyre drowning lol hope theyre okay, peace out". all we know is that frecklewish saw them fall off the stepping stone and that she saw the riverclan patrol nearby. anything else is literally just headcanon assumptions. i guess it jsut comes down to interpretation I personally don't see Frecklewish calling out for help however I can totally get how someone else would frecklewish novelle when
i'd be down for a frecklewish POV
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Post by Fernflower on Nov 29, 2021 21:09:59 GMT -5
Why not Ashfur or Mudclaw or Juniperclaw? juniperclaw did go to the dark forest, as of alitm. Ah sorry you're right! I meant that he didn't necessarily deserve the DF but I got my wording mixed up, oops.
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