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Post by xєяσ єємαι zσηтαησѕ ♬ on Mar 7, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -5
I'm in Vermont and no cases in my area so far, that I've heard of. I'm bummed though cause I have a family trip to NYC in a few weeks to see Hadestown, and they just announced last night that they won't be doing stagedoor for the next month. I fully understand and respect prioritizing everyone's health, but it's still sad I won't get to meet them... Fortunately so far though it seems like other than that hopefully my trip won't be impacted any worse...
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Post by Numquam on Mar 7, 2020 19:32:31 GMT -5
I like how it wasn't until this virus that people suddenly realised that you need to wash your hands regularly. Most people who have been infected have survived, so I'm not really panicking but I'm still cautious. My state has eight cases with two of them being in my city, so to be safe I don't plan on going to any crowded areas anytime soon, there could be some people that have it but are undiagnosed after all. I'm really annoyed that all the hand sanitizer at nearby stores have been sold out.
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Post by ~●ℓєgσℓαѕ●~ on Mar 7, 2020 19:35:55 GMT -5
All of the stores are out of toilet paper but still have plenty of food. I don’t understand.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 7, 2020 20:11:07 GMT -5
(Also i think people blow off the flu like "it's not that bad" but tbh even for a healthy person the flu can be awful. like have you bedridden with chills and aches for a week, that's not fun at all lmao) (This turned into a bit of rant. It's not directed at you, this part of your post just made me think about all this) The flu is bad. That's my point in comparing Covid to it. More people die from the flu in a single year than have died from all three coronavirus epidemics combined. And yet there are people who refuse the flu vaccine for nonmedical reasons, and just generally don't give a crap about whether or not they get flu. And yet when a new coronavirus pops up, people start hoarding face masks and hand sanitizers and suddenly become public health experts concerned about the spread. I do think you're right that a lot of people say "the flu is worse, so stop worrying", as if the flu is no big deal. My stance is that the flu is worse, so why are you (general use) not stocking up on face masks and hand sanitizers every flu season? I beg people to get flu vaccines every year, even if it's a strain that's not terribly effective. Because I've been hospitalized from flu twice, I know how bad these things can be. So suddenly seeing everyone freak the hell out over an illness that is WAAAAAY less likely to kill them... It frustrates me. And before anyone gets on me about how Covid-19 has a death rate 20 times higher than that of seasonal flu... that's a technicality. If one person already has Covid and another already has flu, the Covid patient is 20 times more likely to die. (And even those numbers are skewed because as Kazoo Queen pointed out, people get it and don't report it because it's not bad, and I would like to add that the death rate of reported cases is wildly different depending on the country. It's like 3% in China, and like 0.9% elsewhere)
However. Your chances of death, as a healthy person in the United States (I'm sure this applies elsewhere, but I study this stuff in the US because that's where I live and work), are far greater from the flu than they are of Covid, especially if you're under the age of 60. This is because your chances of getting flu in the first place are astronomically higher than your chances of getting Covid.
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Post by ✶Jaysong✶ on Mar 7, 2020 20:28:44 GMT -5
All of the stores are out of toilet paper but still have plenty of food. I don’t understand. My sister said the same thing; to quote her, "I don't know why they're bothering to buy so much toilet paper when they're not going to have any food to sh*t out."
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Post by falconfire on Mar 7, 2020 23:35:16 GMT -5
(Also i think people blow off the flu like "it's not that bad" but tbh even for a healthy person the flu can be awful. like have you bedridden with chills and aches for a week, that's not fun at all lmao) (This turned into a bit of rant. It's not directed at you, this part of your post just made me think about all this) The flu is bad. That's my point in comparing Covid to it. More people die from the flu in a single year than have died from all three coronavirus epidemics combined. And yet there are people who refuse the flu vaccine for nonmedical reasons, and just generally don't give a crap about whether or not they get flu. And yet when a new coronavirus pops up, people start hoarding face masks and hand sanitizers and suddenly become public health experts concerned about the spread. I do think you're right that a lot of people say "the flu is worse, so stop worrying", as if the flu is no big deal. My stance is that the flu is worse, so why are you (general use) not stocking up on face masks and hand sanitizers every flu season? I beg people to get flu vaccines every year, even if it's a strain that's not terribly effective. Because I've been hospitalized from flu twice, I know how bad these things can be. So suddenly seeing everyone freak the hell out over an illness that is WAAAAAY less likely to kill them... It frustrates me. And before anyone gets on me about how Covid-19 has a death rate 20 times higher than that of seasonal flu... that's a technicality. If one person already has Covid and another already has flu, the Covid patient is 20 times more likely to die. (And even those numbers are skewed because as Kazoo Queen pointed out, people get it and don't report it because it's not bad, and I would like to add that the death rate of reported cases is wildly different depending on the country. It's like 3% in China, and like 0.9% elsewhere)
However. Your chances of death, as a healthy person in the United States (I'm sure this applies elsewhere, but I study this stuff in the US because that's where I live and work), are far greater from the flu than they are of Covid, especially if you're under the age of 60. This is because your chances of getting flu in the first place are astronomically higher than your chances of getting Covid. i definitely agree with your point here! people get awfully cavalier about the flu just because it's familiar/seasonal but it can be deadly on rare occasions and, if not deadly, really just miserable. you make a good point comparing the bad aspects, it's definitely the people taking neither virus seriously that get under my skin
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Post by Rio on Mar 8, 2020 6:33:54 GMT -5
The way my country is handling it is abysmal. I'm honestly really disappointed with Japan. We have 1,145 confirmed cases but based on the numbers of people who have gone to get tested with all of the symptoms but have been turned away(they ask you if you've been to Wuhan and if you say no then they won't look at you.), our numbers are higher than South Korea. The reason I'm worried is because in Japan, we don't have sick leave. If I get sick then I will have to use my extremely small amount of holiday days and that would mean that I would have to cancel my trip to see my family over summer.
Japan is a hot mess right now, they even let a bunch of people off the Diamond Princess without even testing them. Also because of the work culture here and then lack of sick days, people are still going into work even when they have the virus. One guy in my prefecture commuted into work for ONE MONTH with a fever and flu symptoms before he finally got tested.
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Post by The Noble Dragon on Mar 8, 2020 18:25:24 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up!
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 8, 2020 23:34:36 GMT -5
The way my country is handling it is abysmal. I'm honestly really disappointed with Japan. We have 1,145 confirmed cases but based on the numbers of people who have gone to get tested with all of the symptoms but have been turned away(they ask you if you've been to Wuhan and if you say no then they won't look at you.), our numbers are higher than South Korea. The reason I'm worried is because in Japan, we don't have sick leave. If I get sick then I will have to use my extremely small amount of holiday days and that would mean that I would have to cancel my trip to see my family over summer. Japan is a hot mess right now, they even let a bunch of people off the Diamond Princess without even testing them. Also because of the work culture here and then lack of sick days, people are still going into work even when they have the virus. One guy in my prefecture commuted into work for ONE MONTH with a fever and flu symptoms before he finally got tested. My sister lives and works in Japan, and she says she and her coworkers are basically playing Mario Kart all day because the schools are still requiring teachers to come in every day even though they have absolutely zero work to do. She generally seems unconcerned about the virus, though she did express hesitation at using public transport. Then again, she and I were raised by an infection control expert, so we have lower levels of anxiety about it than the average population.
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Post by Rio on Mar 9, 2020 7:19:46 GMT -5
The way my country is handling it is abysmal. I'm honestly really disappointed with Japan. We have 1,145 confirmed cases but based on the numbers of people who have gone to get tested with all of the symptoms but have been turned away(they ask you if you've been to Wuhan and if you say no then they won't look at you.), our numbers are higher than South Korea. The reason I'm worried is because in Japan, we don't have sick leave. If I get sick then I will have to use my extremely small amount of holiday days and that would mean that I would have to cancel my trip to see my family over summer. Japan is a hot mess right now, they even let a bunch of people off the Diamond Princess without even testing them. Also because of the work culture here and then lack of sick days, people are still going into work even when they have the virus. One guy in my prefecture commuted into work for ONE MONTH with a fever and flu symptoms before he finally got tested. My sister lives and works in Japan, and she says she and her coworkers are basically playing Mario Kart all day because the schools are still requiring teachers to come in every day even though they have absolutely zero work to do. She generally seems unconcerned about the virus, though she did express hesitation at using public transport. Then again, she and I were raised by an infection control expert, so we have lower levels of anxiety about it than the average population. That's interesting! Which part of Japan does she live in? I have to commute along the Osaka line and it's a bit 👀. I legit saw a guy cough phlegm into his hand and then grab the hand rail with the same hand. Everyone is like sardines on my commute, it's pretty grim. Also I wish my school was that chill! I get told off for reading my kindle during work hours LOL. Another reason I'm quite concerned about it is because of my health issues. I don't want to go too in depth but I has a run in with sepsis a few years ago which left me with some organ damage and I'm not sure how well my body would cope with a bad respiratory infection lmao.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 9, 2020 15:19:35 GMT -5
My sister lives and works in Japan, and she says she and her coworkers are basically playing Mario Kart all day because the schools are still requiring teachers to come in every day even though they have absolutely zero work to do. She generally seems unconcerned about the virus, though she did express hesitation at using public transport. Then again, she and I were raised by an infection control expert, so we have lower levels of anxiety about it than the average population. That's interesting! Which part of Japan does she live in? I have to commute along the Osaka line and it's a bit 👀. I legit saw a guy cough phlegm into his hand and then grab the hand rail with the same hand. Everyone is like sardines on my commute, it's pretty grim. Also I wish my school was that chill! I get told off for reading my kindle during work hours LOL. Another reason I'm quite concerned about it is because of my health issues. I don't want to go too in depth but I has a run in with sepsis a few years ago which left me with some organ damage and I'm not sure how well my body would cope with a bad respiratory infection lmao. I'm not sure exactly where she lives (and if I did I wouldn't want to share it with the internet lol), but I know she does have a car that she's been using lately specifically to avoid the trains. I honestly don't know that much about Japan, so I don't want to say anything I think I've heard at the risk of getting it entirely wrong. XD
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Post by xєяσ єємαι zσηтαησѕ ♬ on Mar 10, 2020 22:23:54 GMT -5
The (fairly major) university in my hometown announced today that they're switching to online classes after spring break and telling students to remain home if at all possible. Although fortunately so far, there have been no confirmed cases right in that area.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 10, 2020 23:52:24 GMT -5
My uni is considering doing that too. Which to me seems kinda dumb because we're all just as likely to come in contact with it at home as we are here (this is a very tiny private college with a suburban campus). It's like putting off the inevitable. It's gonna spread regardless.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 11, 2020 1:29:23 GMT -5
As of about an hour ago, mine is doing the same thing.
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Post by ℊℓоω on Mar 11, 2020 2:33:07 GMT -5
I think universities are making the right decision to switch to online classes. College campuses are basically petri dishes when it comes to disease, because there are so many people who travel regularly and everyone is in close quarters. The scary thing is that because most young people don't show symptoms (and even if they do, they might not even get tested), therefore the disease can spread undetected very rapidly. This isn't troubling for the sake of the students. It's scary for the countless elderly or otherwise vulnerable people that they will come in contact with, especially with people about to go on spring break. The best way to mitigate the damage is to disperse the student body to places where they are making less contact with large groups of people. While it might only "delay the inevitable," it might also give hospitals more time to prepare. It also might actually slow the spread of the disease, which could legitimately save lives. And that's worth it.
Also, I'd like to note that saying the flu should worry you more than COVID-19 is a little misleading. Yes, you're more likely to die right now from the flu (because you're more likely to get it). But that's with the confirmed number of cases that we have. COVID-19 is growing by the day, and as you can see by countries like Italy, failing to prepare can have big consequences. It's more contagious than the most strains of the flu, and, as you've noted, is more deadly once caught. Not to mention, there is no vaccine for COVID-19, so there's no way of reaching herd immunity for this upcoming cycle. This is definitely not to say people should be panicking. but taking proactive measures is the smart and ethical thing to do. (I 100% agree your point that everyone should get flu shots, btw c:)
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 11, 2020 3:42:47 GMT -5
I think universities are making the right decision to switch to online classes. College campuses are basically petri dishes when it comes to disease, because there are so many people who travel regularly and everyone is in close quarters. The scary thing is that because most young people don't show symptoms (and even if they do, they might not even get tested), therefore the disease can spread undetected very rapidly. This isn't troubling for the sake of the students. It's scary for the countless elderly or otherwise vulnerable people that they will come in contact with, especially with people about to go on spring break. The best way to mitigate the damage is to disperse the student body to places where they are making less contact with large groups of people. While it might only "delay the inevitable," it might also give hospitals more time to prepare. It also might actually slow the spread of the disease, which could legitimately save lives. And that's worth it.
I think whether closing universities is a good idea or not depends on so many things, including where the uni is, what system it's on, how many cases of Covid there are in the county, etc. Like, for instance, UW canceling all classes was a good idea because Seattle is the heart of the US outbreak. They should close, and they did so relatively early, so it wasn't ridiculous. But my university, whose county only has one case who's currently in isolation (and recovering!) and isn't even a student, and who are literally a week from completing classes entirely (if classes hadn't been canceled, my last final exam would be next Wednesday, and there were less than 3 meeting days left in the quarter), and many teachers are voluntarily giving online finals anyway... I think a mandatory closure is a little ridiculous. Like, at least wait until Friday, geeze. We already had a mandate 2 weeks ago that teachers can't penalize students for not coming to class and that they have to provide alternate ways to get the material, so I don't see why full-on canceling all classes 3 days before the end is even necessary. You make really good points, and I actually agree with you on everything you said, I just don't think closing RIGHT NOW is the best decision for every university.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 11, 2020 9:40:47 GMT -5
I’d like to remind everyone that the amount of confirmed cases is not the same as actual infection rate. There’s probably a thousand people who have it and will never know it. Death rate is super skewed.
Also, Italians have HORRIBLE health. This is a respiratory virus and most italians have pre-cancerous lung conditions from constant smoking. Of course Italy will have a much higher death rate.
As far as sending students home, because we are such a bubble campus, we’re more likely to endanger people (our friends and family at home) if we’re sent back than if we all just remained put.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 11, 2020 9:55:41 GMT -5
I'm in California, living about an hour away from Oakland, where The Grand Princess is docking. That's kind of worrying, but most of the time I'm too tired to think about it. Right now, I'm hoping I can finish the rest of the school year before my district or state decides to close the schools.
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Post by Gremlin on Mar 11, 2020 10:36:43 GMT -5
i live in California, and i hope they close my school. not just because i don’t want to have school, i have an autoimmune disease. so i’m quite susceptible to COVID 19. i have been washing my hands more frequently and using hand sanitizer, as well as pushing my friends to do the same. but, if it gets any worse over here, i hope they close schools.
also, friendly reminder to use credible sources to get information! such as the CDC, WHO, and NIH.
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Post by ℊℓоω on Mar 11, 2020 13:04:23 GMT -5
i live in California, and i hope they close my school. not just because i don’t want to have school, i have an autoimmune disease. so i’m quite susceptible to COVID 19. i have been washing my hands more frequently and using hand sanitizer, as well as pushing my friends to do the same. but, if it gets any worse over here, i hope they close schools. also, friendly reminder to use credible sources to get information! such as the CDC, WHO, and NIH. If you're legitimately worried about your health, I'd urge you to talk to your professors/teachers. If you have an autoimmune disease, you're exactly the type of person schools are closing to protect. Perhaps they can help you to avoid coming into contact with more people than necessary.
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Post by Hawkflower on Mar 11, 2020 14:17:06 GMT -5
I'm in NYC. The hustle and bustle of the city is still going, and most jobs don't want to allow employees to work from home as yet, but some are making preparations. Some private colleges are closed and started online classes these past few days, and now most public colleges will be starting online classes starting next week. It's only a matter of time before publics schools close.
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Post by Maplestone360 on Mar 11, 2020 15:51:30 GMT -5
I like how it wasn't until this virus that people suddenly realised that you need to wash your hands regularly.Most people who have been infected have survived, so I'm not really panicking but I'm still cautious. My state has eight cases with two of them being in my city, so to be safe I don't plan on going to any crowded areas anytime soon, there could be some people that have it but are undiagnosed after all. I'm really annoyed that all the hand sanitizer at nearby stores have been sold out. ThisLike, wow, who would've known, what an enormous surprise. It's like most people fluctuate between not caring about basic sanitation at all and then caring way too much (people buying 90 bottles of hand sanitizer). There's no in-between.
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Post by Mosspath27 on Mar 11, 2020 16:28:04 GMT -5
The state of Illinois has declared a state of emergency, but my college (located within Illinois, of course) is handing out 300 free tickets to a basketball game for this weekend.
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Post by KittyClearsight on Mar 11, 2020 16:34:04 GMT -5
My area has started closing down schools and colleges. I guess they're trying to prevent it spreading to here.
My mom believes theres something they arent telling us, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Leapkit on Mar 11, 2020 20:42:21 GMT -5
My grandma's nursing home just went on lockdown despite there not being a case anywhere near here still and now we can't go get her to move into her new apartment this weekend or even see her. 🙄
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Post by Skypaw13 on Mar 11, 2020 20:43:37 GMT -5
Just gonna echo Saint Ambrosef 's point that the death rate is super skewed, and I'll give a few examples why: The death rate changes based on age. It's basically zero for anyone under 40 who is otherwise healthy. The death rate is near 1 in 10 for the over-70 crowd. You can cite any number between .01% and 10% and be technically correct. The death rate changes based on country. China had a higher than average death rate, Italy has a stupid high death rate, but the rate in other countries is low enough to bring the average global rate down significantly. The death rate changes based on reporting. We know for a fact that the absolute death rate for Covid is lower than what you would calculate it to be based on the numbers you have. This is because a lot of the under-40s are getting it, thinking they have a cold, and moving on with their lives. The CDC, WHO, whatevers can't take those people into account because they're not reporting in. Therefore, the reported death rate is higher. (A good example of sampling bias, if anyone's in a Stats class right now ) Talking about a death rate for Covid-19, especially for the purpose of comparing it to the flu (which has an about equal chance of killing anyone it touches outside of extremely immune-compromised people), isn't useful. Saying everyone has a 1.6 % (or whatever the official number is now) chance of dying of Covid-19 is so surface-level and not helpful to anyone. How old are you? How sick are you? What conditions did you have before now? Where do you live? What are your daily habits? What do you eat? These are all things that affect your chance of death from Covid, and some of these things can change the chances a significant amount.
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Post by Sour Candy on Mar 11, 2020 21:17:31 GMT -5
My city's school district just closed down until next month Was really not too concerned about it but now it's getting harder for my anxiety disorder to ignore it I'm really getting freaked out now
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Post by Gold on Mar 11, 2020 21:24:45 GMT -5
The funny thing is, it was in fact used as an example while we were going through Statistics in my class today.
Keep calm and wash your hands my dudes.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 11, 2020 21:32:11 GMT -5
like the best thing you can do to help yourself and others is to wash hands and surfaces. the best thing you can do for your body in case you do contact it is to treat it well: eat nutritionally, lots of water, enough sleep, some multivitamins and immunity supplements like zinc are good ideas.
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