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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 11:59:36 GMT -5
Another idea is when someone dies, they’re buried in specific place and they lay stones to make a small tower with flowers to honor the dead? Maybe once every two months they bring back more flowers and honor them again?
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 15, 2020 12:05:13 GMT -5
Getting back to the warrior ceremony for a second, maybe there could be some new assessments for the apprentices? Beside hunting and fighting. Especially the upper clan would need some additional skills, what with living so close to the mountain peak.
Also, I'm totally for Stitch's idea for the burials! Man, this clan is really starting to take shape.
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 15, 2020 12:16:44 GMT -5
i definitely like that for the lower clan a lot but i'm getting stuck on burial practices for the upper clan since most of the ground will either be frozen or stone- so very hard to dig up. i was researching how funerals/burials are done in similar mountain areas- and there was one where the body was left on a high peak to decompose and return to the earth? maybe we could do something like that- were they see the spirit being released and joining the haze will the body becomes part of the earth? idk they might also have a deal where they can bury bodies somewhere in the lower clan territory?
i think the upperclan might have a climbing assessment early on in their apprenticeship that they have to pass in order to have full access the the territory. maybe in the tunnelclan they could test for navigation- especially in the complex tunnel system. Maybe part of the assessment includes the warriors-to-be spelunking in an unexplored region? the lowerclan they test for survival skills? i know in the upperclan i was going to restrict cats traveling the territory alone since it is so dangerous- but i could see the lowerclan valuing independence and a cats being able to last on their own?
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Post by kiwi cheesecake on Mar 15, 2020 12:24:03 GMT -5
((ok ok ok hear me out- they see ancestors in fog-like things right? So if is a way we could make like... funeral pyres of some sort for dead cats? Since then it would be kinda like their spirit being released in the smoke. Like flat slabs of stone or something of the sort that they burn bodies on. The only thing that was tripping me up was how they would start the fire. But I did find something where you could start a fire with just a cotton ball and ash! You just pull the cotton ball apart, put ash on one end, roll it together into a cylinder, and then rub it back and forth until it smokes. Maybe they use dried moss and ash from a burned down forest somewhere nearby to do a similar thing, and then set fire to a pile of twigs beneath the body? I'm not sure if you guys think that's too unrealistic, though, figured I would ask ^^))
((and lazy penguin I do still have that map started if you wanted me to continue it? I wasn't sure))
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 13:00:21 GMT -5
I love the ideas for apprentice assessments! It’s all unique in their camps and shows their abilities with the environment.
That’s true about the upper clan burials. Would that make the clan believe they’re closer to StarClan since they get to see the spirits leave? I do like the idea of the symbolism of smoke from the fire representing their soul being risen to StarClan.
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 15, 2020 13:20:00 GMT -5
yeah i'd still love the map drea!
my only issue with the burial idea is where they'd get the ash from? but we could always have like, a burned forest or something on the territory? i could definitely see the upperclan thinking that they're closer to the ancestors too!
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Mar 15, 2020 13:28:54 GMT -5
i missed a lot but man it’s all so good
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 15, 2020 14:01:19 GMT -5
ik i didn't expect so many to be on this early in the day. most people pop on after 7 lmao
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 15, 2020 14:11:14 GMT -5
Haha, it's not early where I live. It's around 8 PM here. i think the upperclan might have a climbing assessment early on in their apprenticeship that they have to pass in order to have full access the the territory. maybe in the tunnelclan they could test for navigation- especially in the complex tunnel system. Maybe part of the assessment includes the warriors-to-be spelunking in an unexplored region? the lowerclan they test for survival skills? i know in the upperclan i was going to restrict cats traveling the territory alone since it is so dangerous- but i could see the lowerclan valuing independence and a cats being able to last on their own? Those are really good. For the lowerclan there could be some ways for them to test their apprentices' independence. Finding a certain landmark by themselves. Or let them spend a night all alone somewhere on their territory, forbidding them to return to camp before dawn unless it's an emergency. Bonus points for doing so during bad weather conditions. The apprentice will only have that assessment once they are sufficiently trained and prepared of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 14:12:54 GMT -5
Would each camp have their own land marks or would they all share them?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 14:27:28 GMT -5
What if whenever kits are born the clan brings certain items to show good health for them? Maybe upper clan would be feathers from a hawk or eagle. Lower clan would be special looking stones? Because kits are a sigh of life to the clan and that they’re growing. Just throwing out more ideas in case we wanted more traditions.
Would we have gatherings? I know when I made a clan and we had bordering clans, it was difficult to have them due to people not being on at the same time or other factors.
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 15, 2020 14:46:54 GMT -5
Speaking of kits, what if they got formally introduced to the clan? You know, how apprentices and warriors get greeted by their new name by everyone. Why not do the same for kits? Once they're old enough to be allowed outside of the nursery the clan could gather and the leader or the mother could share the little ones names with the clan. Or the leader goes to see the queens and welcomes the kits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 17:53:38 GMT -5
I also have some banners I can show you guys if we want to use them
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 15, 2020 18:09:58 GMT -5
Pineclaw i like that a lot, maybe the kind of weather an apprentice faces is seen as how likely they are to achieve greatness? like if one goes out and its mild weather no storms, the clan assumes that the ancestors didn't feel the need to challenge them because they won't become leader/deputies/fierce warriors- but if one goes out in the middle of a blizzard and survives they think that apprentice is destined for greatness? i also love the idea about a formal announcement of kits/kit names, i think that could be really cute!
@stitchlover20 so each territory would have different landmarks unique to them, yes. if we wanted to mix ideas, maybe the kin of the kits would bring them the gifts during their announcement? and they could be anything from animal bones, to feathers, to mossballs? I actually don't think we'd need a gathering format- at least at the begging since the clans would be at war? not a lot of friendly conversation to be had, ya know. but i could definitely see like monthly meetings between leaders to discuss like terms of peace and stuff- tho they'd mostly just be places for arguments tbh. me and drea tend to work on layouts & graphics together, but i wouldn't mind seeing your banners (less work for me ya know?)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:16:27 GMT -5
It’s fine if they don’t do the items thing xD Just randomly throwing ideas out. Yeah, that’s true they wouldn’t want to meet with one another due to tension and hatred towards one another. Will the medicine cats meet still?
I’ll post one of each to show you when I get on computer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:31:52 GMT -5
Do we want more traditions or is this good for now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 16, 2020 13:35:32 GMT -5
i think the medicine cats would still meet on the halfmoon, yeah. just so they have constant contact with the ancestors, especially when it comes to how the clans should handle themselves during times of war. the cats themselves might be hostile to each other, but i feel like its just a cultural belief that the best time to contact spirits is during that day, so they all go.
i think we should be good for traditions since we have stuff for early life (announcement of kits), middle life (added warrior assessment stuff), and later life (burial practices). the only thing i'd want to explore more would be the last sunset/sunrise celebrations but i kinda just envision those as a day of games and challenges- similar to the weird competition day in the first book of power of three? not sure if it would normally be between all clans, or if everyone just celebrated separately tho?
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 16, 2020 13:39:34 GMT -5
Nice banners, @stitchlover20 ! I especially like the first one. lazy penguin , I noticed you always talk about ancestors instead of StarClan most of the time. Do the clans have a different name for their ancestors or are they called StarClan anyway? If it's the former, what would be a good name? Things like the northern lights and the night are important and meaningful to the clans. So maybe their ancestors could be named for that? I can't think of a good name right now, though. But depending on what they're called the leaders would need a new suffix for their names. Unless of course the ancestors are still called StarClan. In that case uh... pretend I haven't said anything. As for the last sunrise and last sunset celebrations, competitions and games sound great! I guess each clan would have their own games? |
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 16, 2020 13:47:39 GMT -5
yeah i don't want to call them starclan, mainly because when they manifest in the Haze they aren't made up up stars or anything? i do think night and light are very important in terms of religious aspects especially since it usually sunrise (when night gives way to light) that the clans see fog which is seen as remnants of the Haze itself. i feel like light = good/safety, with night/dark = danger, something that the ancestors need to protect their decedents from. as for a name for the ancestors i've been pretty clueless, so any ideas you have would be a big help.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:14:53 GMT -5
Thank you! I enjoy making them xD
I assumed the medicine cats would still meet, but wanted to ask in case. I feel it’s important for at least them to go since they’re closer to ancestors (getting signs and such). They’d be hostile while having to keep a treaty of respect.
Ancestors of Light? Eternal Lights? Luminous Ancestors? LightClan? The Clan of Luminous Skies? Spit balling here xD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:16:59 GMT -5
I can see the clans celebrating with a lot of prey, competitions, and maybe honoring some cats in the clan? Like apprentices who have worked hard, warriors who risked their lives, etc. It would be hard if the clans did it together since they’d be hostile.
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 16, 2020 14:23:38 GMT -5
i think that's really cute and i can imagine apprentices like, bragging because they got honored for that really cool catch they made last week and their mentor said they'll be made a warrior really soon
hmmm maybe something with the word 'beacon'? or like 'clan of guiding lights'? idk cause i feel like a beacon works both for the darkness and fog connotations?
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 16, 2020 14:31:36 GMT -5
Hm... Lights of Guidance, The Wise Ones, Skydancers (because of the northern lights), maybe something with dawn or fog... Nope, I still can't come up with any good names, Stitch's suggestions ain't bad though.
And given what you said about light standing for safety I think light should be part of the name of the ancestors. Or at least something relating to it. I just think Light would be a good suffix for the leaders, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:38:54 GMT -5
I really like Skydancers and the clan of guiding lights
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:41:16 GMT -5
Fog Walkers
Haze Walkers
Clan of Guiding Haze
Clan of Healing Fog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:42:01 GMT -5
The deputy called Darkpelt is now Darklight XD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 14:47:37 GMT -5
Spirits of the Haze
Spirits of Light
Haze Spirits
Spirits of the Guiding Beacon
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Post by lazy penguin on Mar 16, 2020 14:48:00 GMT -5
actually i'm really digging stitch's suggestion of eternal lights? idk just cause now im imagining the spirits in the haze with a sort of soft glowing light at their center that's undefined and obscured by the smoke/mist that makes up the figure?
kinda similar to like this? 
maybe the words ancestors and eternal lights both apply to the deceased? like they're only referred to as eternal lights when they manifest into the material world? so medicine cats and leaders speak/are visited by the 'eternal lights', while every day cats would like praise and honor the 'ancestors'?
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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 16, 2020 14:56:28 GMT -5
I like how both Eternal Lights and Ancestors are used by the clans! Is there an equivalent of the Dark Forest or are evil cats just gone for good when they die?
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