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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 21:38:47 GMT -5
I bet if Harestar is now truly an a-hole, then Mudclaw is laughing it up in StarClan. He's probably thinking, about how Tallstar thought he was too aggressive to be leader, now Onestar turned out to be even more aggressive (I think) and now, Harestar is being aggressive.
Mudclaw's the original a-hole of WindClan though, but he's an endearing a-hole, he has some sort of je ne sais quoi, that Onestar and sadly, maybe now Harestar, don't have.
However, Harestar seemed fine in Lost Stars. Maybe he's possessed! Jk. Or maybe, they're just preparing his death, so Crowfeather can be leader.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Sept 3, 2019 21:43:20 GMT -5
I bet if Harestar is now truly an a-hole, then Mudclaw is laughing it up in StarClan. He's probably thinking, about how Tallstar thought he was too aggressive to be leader, now Onestar turned out to be even more aggressive (I think) and now, Harestar is being aggressive.
Mudclaw's the original a-hole of WindClan though, but he's an endearing a-hole, he has some sort of je ne sais quoi, that Onestar and sadly, maybe now Harestar, don't have.
However, Harestar seemed fine in Lost Stars. Maybe he's possessed! Jk. Or maybe, they're just preparing his death, so Crowfeather can be leader. No leader is perfect, so I highly doubt they are making him turn bad just to kill him off. If anything, they're developing him. Before, Harestar honestly did come across as a Gary Stu. Being in the DF was a major flaw, so he isn't a true Gary Stu, but as a leader he definitely comes across as such so far. And I honestly don't think his actions were too out of line compared to other leaders. And I really dislike the idea of Crowstar. Sure he's experienced in all, but Crowfeather definitely has a shorter temper than Harestar and has been fairly impulsive in the past. I need to see some major changes in him before I'd be comfortable with Crowstar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 21:44:32 GMT -5
I bet if Harestar is now truly an a-hole, then Mudclaw is laughing it up in StarClan. He's probably thinking, about how Tallstar thought he was too aggressive to be leader, now Onestar turned out to be even more aggressive (I think) and now, Harestar is being aggressive.
Mudclaw's the original a-hole of WindClan though, but he's an endearing a-hole, he has some sort of je ne sais quoi, that Onestar and sadly, maybe now Harestar, don't have.
However, Harestar seemed fine in Lost Stars. Maybe he's possessed! Jk. Or maybe, they're just preparing his death, so Crowfeather can be leader. No leader is perfect, so I highly doubt they are making him turn bad just to kill him off. If anything, they're developing him. Before, Harestar honestly did come across as a Gary Stu. Being in the DF was a major flaw, so he isn't a true Gary Stu, but as a leader he definitely comes across as such so far. And I honestly don't think his actions were too out of line compared to other leaders. And I really dislike the idea of Crowstar. Sure he's experienced in all, but Crowfeather definitely has a shorter temper than Harestar and has been fairly impulsive in the past. I need to see some major changes in him before I'd be comfortable with Crowstar. I would HATE if Crowfeather became leader, that deserter doesn't even deserve to be deputy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:12:47 GMT -5
No leader is perfect, so I highly doubt they are making him turn bad just to kill him off. If anything, they're developing him. Before, Harestar honestly did come across as a Gary Stu. Being in the DF was a major flaw, so he isn't a true Gary Stu, but as a leader he definitely comes across as such so far. And I honestly don't think his actions were too out of line compared to other leaders. And I really dislike the idea of Crowstar. Sure he's experienced in all, but Crowfeather definitely has a shorter temper than Harestar and has been fairly impulsive in the past. I need to see some major changes in him before I'd be comfortable with Crowstar. I would HATE if Crowfeather became leader, that deserter doesn't even deserve to be deputy. Crowfeather is trying to fix his life now and be a better person. You realize there's forgive and forget, right? Or at least give Crow a second chance, even if you refuse to forgive him. He recognized his actions, and he fixed them. He's not some hotheaded monster who wants war within the Clans.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Sept 3, 2019 22:13:16 GMT -5
No leader is perfect, so I highly doubt they are making him turn bad just to kill him off. If anything, they're developing him. Before, Harestar honestly did come across as a Gary Stu. Being in the DF was a major flaw, so he isn't a true Gary Stu, but as a leader he definitely comes across as such so far. And I honestly don't think his actions were too out of line compared to other leaders. And I really dislike the idea of Crowstar. Sure he's experienced in all, but Crowfeather definitely has a shorter temper than Harestar and has been fairly impulsive in the past. I need to see some major changes in him before I'd be comfortable with Crowstar. I would HATE if Crowfeather became leader, that deserter doesn't even deserve to be deputy. If that was the only thing against him, I wouldn't say he's completely disqualified. It's definitely a black mark on his record, but as long as he was actively working to improve and making real progress, he'd be in the run. I don't expect leaders to be perfect. But couple that with his prickly temperament? He is the last one who should be leading a Clan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:16:27 GMT -5
@dawnstream You're right, I just really, really dislike him, he might surprise me though, and actually be a competent leader, he can't be any worse than Onestar. MistybreezeAll of WindClan pretty much has a prickly temperament though, but yeah, he did seem a little impulsive, but maybe old age has made him settle down a little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:19:11 GMT -5
@dawnstream You're right, I just really, really dislike him, he might surprise me though, and actually be a competent leader, he can't be any worse than Onestar. MistybreezeAll of WindClan pretty much has a prickly temperament though, but yeah, he did seem a little impulsive, but maybe old age has made him settle down a little. I don't mind that you dislike him. I just want people to see that he's not as bad as they say he is. He's genuinely sorry, and he's fixing his life now. I've noticed that many people hold grudges over cats who mean well but they'll defend people like Thistleclaw and Mapleshade or Breezepelt (but in his defense, at least he's also fixing his own life) and it's honestly bothersome to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:25:33 GMT -5
@dawnstream You're right, I just really, really dislike him, he might surprise me though, and actually be a competent leader, he can't be any worse than Onestar. Mistybreeze All of WindClan pretty much has a prickly temperament though, but yeah, he did seem a little impulsive, but maybe old age has made him settle down a little. I don't mind that you dislike him. I just want people to see that he's not as bad as they say he is. He's genuinely sorry, and he's fixing his life now. I've noticed that many people hold grudges over cats who mean well but they'll defend people like Thistleclaw and Mapleshade or Breezepelt (but in his defense, at least he's also fixing his own life) and it's honestly bothersome to me. I can't believe people actually defend Thistleclaw, he was such a bully, he tried to kill a kitten! As for Mapleshade, it's really sad what happened to her, but that doesn't give her the right to kill a medicine cat on sacred grounds, or to try and kill a pregnant cat, and an apprentice. Breezepelt, I still want him to face the consequences of what he did to Jayfeather, Poppyfrost, Molewhisker, and Cherryfall. I can't really judge though, I mean, I dislike Jayfeather for calling Brightheart and Longtail second rate warriors, and being a bit of a jerk in general, but I also excuse and defend Mudclaw, who I'll admit was the a-hole of WindClan, the biggest a-hole WindClan's ever known. I'm kidding, he's probably not that bad, I'm sure there's been worse WindClan cats.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 4, 2019 3:17:29 GMT -5
I mean, sometimes people like villains?
But there's a difference between being angry at a villain for being a villain and being angry at a character who's supposed to be aligned with "good" in the first place. Morally, Crowfeather did really dumb things, we were supposed to expect better from him and we don't get that until he finally starts taking responsibility. However, this only happens when one of his sons is literally bashing in the head of the other one...a bit late imo. I don't think Harestar chose Crowfeather because he thought he'd make a good leader one day, but because he's older and more experienced. Although it's rather ironic he chose a cat that repeatedly hated his guts because he was a trainee and became deputy, and eventually leader, after Onestar, lol.
Case and point...Crow is an old loser...at this point in the series. I'm personally neutral on him, and I could care less. If he croaked in the next book than so be it, it honestly wouldn't phase me. The only good thing I can recall about him was when he was an apprentice, and als when he didn't have bees for brains like Onestar did in CT.
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Post by quailberry on Sept 4, 2019 6:08:52 GMT -5
I'm honestly okay w Crowfeather now; I think he recognized his mistakes and has been working to mend his relationship w Breezepelt and Nightcloud. I wouldn't want him as Crowstar simply because the NP squad all becoming leaders seems like a cliché to me, and also he is too old for leadership at this point imo.
As for Harestar, one thing I do always like about the Erins is how they portray the leaders of the Clans in quite a realistic light. Were we seeing this for WindClan's POV, Harestar likely would have been sympathetic and Bramblestar and Leafstar the unreasonable ones. Harestar was a jerk but at the same time it's his duty to look out for his Clan above all else.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 4, 2019 16:22:13 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to write Harestar off as an ass when this is the first book he's been really aggressive. He can't be perfect all the time.
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