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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2019 21:32:10 GMT -5
Why are they trying SO hard to make Tigerheartstrar a jerk? Are they trying to bring Tigerclawstar back alive through him? It's kind of annoying tbh, I wanted Tigerheartstar to be a good guy.
Because he's always been a jerk though? He just didn't have the power status.
-He used Ivypaw to get herbs from TC and betrayed Dove's trust -When Dove moved on he was nosey about her business and constantly stares at her -He was an utter dirtbag to Dove while he was temporarily staying in TC -He only convinced Scorch and Juniper to stay for his own gain of sneaking off himself -Although partly Dove's fault, he did abandon his clan to chase after his illegal mate
He didn't deserve to be deputy, and didn't deserve to be leader. The only significant things he's done since leadership is attack SkyClan despite them helping them in their time of need. Being down right aggressive with other clans unnecessarily. And now causing kits to be put in danger and both Moonlight and Leafpool paid with their lives. Moonlight's kits won't have a mother now growing up and the Sisters no longer have a leader. I don't count the time he threatened a medicine cat because of the circumstances, but that was still a thing. I only remember him glaring at Dovewing just once while she was talking with Bumblestripe at the end of TaS, but please correct me if I'm wrong if there were other times. I definitely remember him being snappy towards her before Darktail took over, though.
And to be fair, he was caught between a rock and a hard place with that last one: either he's a jerk for leaving his Clan to find his mate, or he's a jerk for staying and putting his duty as a deputy over his duty as a mate and father.
That said, Tigerheart seems to be one of those leaders who's nice to his own Clan and seems to be a decent father, but he's aggressive towards everyone else. That being said, he really should've never been leader.
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Post by kinkajou on Aug 30, 2019 21:45:14 GMT -5
Judgement time. Firestar is taking Leafpool and Squirrelflight to Tallstar, Crookedstar, Bluestar, Yellowfang, Moth Flight (who I wasn't expecting to see btw) and Littlecloud to see if they can join StC. They can. Was there really any doubt? Also, how do you decide who the judges are? Ewww Moth Flight I never wanted to see her again. Does she regret making the medicine cat code, especially when faced with three of the many cats who's lives were ruined because of it? (Yellowfang, Squirrelflight, and Leafpool)
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Post by sylveon on Aug 30, 2019 21:55:54 GMT -5
Squirrel and Leaf being judged by a group of StarClan cats contradicts canon, doesn't it? I remember Bluestar saying that if Ashfur found his way to StarClan then it wasn't their place to question it. Did they suddenly decide to start a council to judge the recently dead? How does this make any sense?
The concept is kind of cool, but what the heck is happening. Especially because StarClan manipulated the hell out of Leafpool's pregnancy.
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Post by Haze on Aug 30, 2019 21:56:33 GMT -5
"The Sisters have been backed into a cave under a cliff. Tigerheartstar has only just been told kits were there but before he could do anything the Sisters attacked the patrol"
Tigerstar didn't know about the kits, Riverclan was attacking Shadowclan after knowing that Thunderclan gave Windclan the land piece back and the last time that had a group of rogues in the borders his father died and Shadowclan was destroyed"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:58:04 GMT -5
Squirrel and Leaf being judged by a group of StarClan cats contradicts canon, doesn't it? I remember Bluestar saying that if Ashfur found his way to StarClan then it wasn't their place to question it. Did they suddenly decide to start a council to judge the recently dead? How does this make any sense?
The concept is kind of cool, but what the heck is happening. Especially because StarClan manipulated the hell out of Leafpool's pregnancy.
Do you know what happens during the judging scene?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:58:36 GMT -5
"The Sisters have been backed into a cave under a cliff. Tigerheartstar has only just been told kits were there but before he could do anything the Sisters attacked the patrol"
Tigerstar didn't know about the kits, Riverclan was attacking Shadowclan after knowing that Thunderclan gave Windclan the land piece back and the last time that had a group of rogues in the borders his father died and Shadowclan was destroyed" That makes a lot more sense. Maybe I shouldn't judge Tigerheart so harshly before reading the book myself
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Post by sylveon on Aug 30, 2019 22:00:22 GMT -5
Squirrel and Leaf being judged by a group of StarClan cats contradicts canon, doesn't it? I remember Bluestar saying that if Ashfur found his way to StarClan then it wasn't their place to question it. Did they suddenly decide to start a council to judge the recently dead? How does this make any sense?
The concept is kind of cool, but what the heck is happening. Especially because StarClan manipulated the hell out of Leafpool's pregnancy.
Do you know what happens during the judging scene? Yes! I just finished reading through that blog. I wanted to pick each of them up and give them a good shaking. I'm surprised, but glad, it was Yellowfang who stood up for Leafpool. Yknow, seeing as SHE LIED TO SQUIRREL TO HAVE HER TAKE IN LEAF'S KITS. grips my head angrily Arrghhh StarClan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:05:45 GMT -5
Do you know what happens during the judging scene? Yes! I just finished reading through that blog. I wanted to pick each of them up and give them a good shaking. I'm surprised, but glad, it was Yellowfang who stood up for Leafpool. Yknow, seeing as SHE LIED TO SQUIRREL TO HAVE HER TAKE IN LEAF'S KITS. grips my head angrily Arrghhh StarClan I saw the blog, but I didn't see that part, do you know what the others said? I'm mostly curious about Littlecloud
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2019 22:06:23 GMT -5
Squirrel and Leaf being judged by a group of StarClan cats contradicts canon, doesn't it? I remember Bluestar saying that if Ashfur found his way to StarClan then it wasn't their place to question it. Did they suddenly decide to start a council to judge the recently dead? How does this make any sense?
The concept is kind of cool, but what the heck is happening. Especially because StarClan manipulated the hell out of Leafpool's pregnancy.
Apparently the cats judging them were chosen to specifically judge Squirrelflight and Leafpool due to their controversial lives, so maybe it's just them for some reason? If that's the case, it just makes this all the more frustrating, so I'm choosing to believe they started doing this sometime after the Great Battle.
It still doesn't make sense why they chose those cats specifically, though. Moth Flight I can get since she was the first medicine cat and came up with the code and Leafpool did help Littlecloud's Clan more than once, but Bluestar and Yellowfang were both involved in forbidden relationships and Yellowfang even lied to Squirrelflight about being infertile, which part of the reason why she agreed to take in the kits in the first place. Crookedstar and Tallstar don't have any connection to them at all, and the former's mate was the product of a forbidden relationship while their daughter was involved in one.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2019 22:08:05 GMT -5
Yes! I just finished reading through that blog. I wanted to pick each of them up and give them a good shaking. I'm surprised, but glad, it was Yellowfang who stood up for Leafpool. Yknow, seeing as SHE LIED TO SQUIRREL TO HAVE HER TAKE IN LEAF'S KITS. grips my head angrily Arrghhh StarClan I saw the blog, but I didn't see that part, do you know what the others said? I'm mostly curious about Littlecloud The blogger posted pictures of it. It shouldn't be hard to miss.
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Post by sylveon on Aug 30, 2019 22:11:20 GMT -5
Yes! I just finished reading through that blog. I wanted to pick each of them up and give them a good shaking. I'm surprised, but glad, it was Yellowfang who stood up for Leafpool. Yknow, seeing as SHE LIED TO SQUIRREL TO HAVE HER TAKE IN LEAF'S KITS. grips my head angrily Arrghhh StarClan I saw the blog, but I didn't see that part, do you know what the others said? I'm mostly curious about Littlecloud squirrelflight-spoilers.tumblr.com/post/187383031075/can-you-post-starclan-judgement
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Post by sylveon on Aug 30, 2019 22:15:34 GMT -5
Squirrel and Leaf being judged by a group of StarClan cats contradicts canon, doesn't it? I remember Bluestar saying that if Ashfur found his way to StarClan then it wasn't their place to question it. Did they suddenly decide to start a council to judge the recently dead? How does this make any sense?
The concept is kind of cool, but what the heck is happening. Especially because StarClan manipulated the hell out of Leafpool's pregnancy.
Apparently the cats judging them were chosen to specifically judge Squirrelflight and Leafpool due to their controversial lives, so maybe it's just them for some reason? If that's the case, it just makes this all the more frustrating, so I'm choosing to believe they started doing this sometime after the Great Battle.
It still doesn't make sense why they chose those cats specifically, though. Moth Flight I can get since she was the first medicine cat and came up with the code and Leafpool did help Littlecloud's Clan more than once, but Bluestar and Yellowfang were both involved in forbidden relationships and Yellowfang even lied to Squirrelflight about being infertile, which part of the reason why she agreed to take in the kits in the first place. Crookedstar and Tallstar don't have any connection to them at all, and the former's mate was the product of a forbidden relationship while their daughter was involved in one. That's the thing, it just feels weird. Why did they suddenly adopt this tradition? Especially since so many DF trainees allegedly made it to StarClan. I guess maybe they chose those cats so it would seem fair, cats who relate, cats who were involved with them and cats who had little to no interaction with them. But none of these cats were saints, and I don't know why Moth Flight seems so angry.
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 30, 2019 22:16:50 GMT -5
All of StarClan is cancelled, except Yellowfang, whose previous cancellation has been suspended for finally being a reasonable person.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:18:53 GMT -5
Thanks It's so weird, seeing Littlecloud be so savage, but he's right, about "What's the point of having rules if cats can break them whenever they want?" I really like Yellowfang and Leafpool in this scene. Moth Flight is super annoying Tallstar was precious
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 30, 2019 22:19:18 GMT -5
I didn't get much of what I wanted from SqH, but at least I got Leafpool and Squirrelflight being the best sisters
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Post by Haze on Aug 30, 2019 22:22:03 GMT -5
And I wondering if I could hate Moth Flight even more...
Bluestar was being the hypocrite b*** that she always was.
Yellowfang got a little better after all her bullshit in OotS.
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Post by sundrown on Aug 30, 2019 22:26:05 GMT -5
It definitely feels like they retconned OOTS pretty hard. It's made pretty explicit in that arc that "it's not StarClan's place to judge the living". Uh... well, I guess it is now? I imagine this is the new canon way it works, but it is sort of annoying that they've retconned the way StarClan/The Dark Forest works for a third time now. Hooray for making things even more confusing. I guess when they passed judgement on Ashfur, they decided that he also "did more good than harm" ...? Eugh.
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 30, 2019 22:30:54 GMT -5
If we're to accept the new judgement system, then that means that a bunch of cats sat around, looked at how Ashfur was an accessory to Firestar's murder, attempted to murder Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather, and generally spent seasons trying to torment Squirrelflight in any way possible, and decided, "yeah, he's a good dude".
And then when Squirrelflight and Leafpool turn up, who were actively manipulated by StarClan into doing things against the Warrior Code, they went "oh shoot we need another minute to think about this one".
StarClan is The Worst.
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 30, 2019 22:36:49 GMT -5
AU where Leafpool and Squirrelflight get rejected from StarClan, so they just form a new afterlife, and all their family follow them because why be separated from your daughters/mothers/apprentices/wives for eternity when you don't have to be, and generally the new afterlife is 100% better and not filled to the brim with hypocrites and incels
future medicine cat that inevitably falls in love: what do I do? starclan: perish leafpool: can you still serve your clan? then you do you boo future medicine cat: yeah I'm gonna go with these ancestors
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 30, 2019 22:38:28 GMT -5
"The Sisters have been backed into a cave under a cliff. Tigerheartstar has only just been told kits were there but before he could do anything the Sisters attacked the patrol"
Tigerstar didn't know about the kits, Riverclan was attacking Shadowclan after knowing that Thunderclan gave Windclan the land piece back and the last time that had a group of rogues in the borders his father died and Shadowclan was destroyed" But does ShadowClan know about Moonlight's agreement to leave once she has her kits? Cause that still makes the situation messed up. Because it would mean he knowingly still attacked the group knowing there are pregnant she-cats, and unborn kits that could be put in danger. And also the males in the group are still fairly very young, while only the she-cats are adults.
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Post by Haze on Aug 30, 2019 22:43:16 GMT -5
"The Sisters have been backed into a cave under a cliff. Tigerheartstar has only just been told kits were there but before he could do anything the Sisters attacked the patrol"
Tigerstar didn't know about the kits, Riverclan was attacking Shadowclan after knowing that Thunderclan gave Windclan the land piece back and the last time that had a group of rogues in the borders his father died and Shadowclan was destroyed" But does ShadowClan know about Moonlight's agreement to leave once she has her kits? Cause that still makes the situation messed up. Because it would mean he knowingly still attacked the group knowing there are pregnant she-cats, and unborn kits that could be put in danger. And also the males in the group are still fairly very young, while only the she-cats are adults. Shadowclan, Riverclan and Windclan wanted to drive them out, Leafstar gave the idea to bring an big patrol for a show of force, when that patrol reached there Sunrise attacked Harestar and battle happened, nobody knew about the kits.
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Post by sundrown on Aug 30, 2019 22:45:05 GMT -5
ShadowClan knew about the kits. So did RiverClan. They didn't know that they Moonlight was kitting while they attacked, but they knew she was heavily pregnant and willing to leave as long as she was given enough time for the kits to be born and open their eyes. They make it abundantly clear that they just want to push them off the land. It's entirely out of greed and ShadowClan/RiverClan didn't care who got hurt as long as they make the Sisters go away and they get their land back. They did come just to "intimidate" them, but everyone involved knew the Sisters would be too stubborn to just leave.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 30, 2019 22:48:51 GMT -5
But does ShadowClan know about Moonlight's agreement to leave once she has her kits? Cause that still makes the situation messed up. Because it would mean he knowingly still attacked the group knowing there are pregnant she-cats, and unborn kits that could be put in danger. And also the males in the group are still fairly very young, while only the she-cats are adults. Shadowclan, Riverclan and Windclan wanted to drive them out, Leafstar gave the idea to bring an big patrol for a show of force, when that patrol reached there Sunrise attacked Harestar and battle happened, nobody knew about the kits. That's confusing. So ShadowClan wasn't aware of the agreement between the pregnant leader and Leafstar the entire time? Or did he and the other leaders know and just didn't care?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 30, 2019 22:52:25 GMT -5
ShadowClan knew about the kits. So did RiverClan. They didn't know that they Moonlight was kitting while they attacked, but they knew she was heavily pregnant and willing to leave as long as she was given enough time for the kits to be born and open their eyes. They make it abundantly clear that they just want to push them off the land. It's entirely out of greed and ShadowClan/RiverClan didn't care who got hurt as long as they make the Sisters go away and they get their land back. They did come just to "intimidate" them, but everyone involved knew the Sisters would be too stubborn to just leave. Alright, so that is the case then. I thought I was reading the spoilers wrong for a moment lol. On another note, I'm starting to dislike Mistystar, I thought she was just boring before, but now I just dislike her. Meanwhile Tigerstar hasn't changed for the better in the least, while the only one that seems to have genuine compromise is Harestar to the point they even agree to share land with ThunderClan. Why couldn't River and Shadow the same? *rolls eyes*
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Post by hazelstar on Aug 30, 2019 23:34:49 GMT -5
I honestly have not read the spoilers here, because I don't want any, but I did stumble on this post and I have a question: Is the book/ is it going to be good? And does it explain some stuff that might be going on with the plot in LS?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 23:58:15 GMT -5
It honestly feels so completely out of character for Hollyleaf to be "cool" with Ashfur in StarClan and forgive him for nearly killing her and her brothers.. She hated Ashfur. I always knew they'd ruin Hollyleaf somehow, and I'm really disappointed in how they've screwed up her character. *deep sigh* She's a thinker, she should know better than an "apology" fixing everything. Hollyleaf, you worked your ass off on your own redemption! You of all cats should know that saying "sorry" isn't enough for forgiveness sometimes.
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Post by hazelstar on Aug 31, 2019 0:04:12 GMT -5
Okay, I ended up reading some of the spoilers. . . and I have a speech
The villian is still definitely Ashfur. The Erins know that we know it's Ashfur, this was put into the book to misleap us. To trick us. To mess with our heads. But its a lie and a red herring.
I can feel it in my heart lol
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Post by morningflower on Aug 31, 2019 0:24:07 GMT -5
I wish the 'StarClan isn't silent, everyone's just not listening hard enough' was actually a lie and there's some huge conspiracy going on, but I'm not going to get my hopes up
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 31, 2019 0:24:45 GMT -5
Starclan in this book be like It's also nice to see Tigerstar acting like Tigerstar. Funny how Mistystar helps out Tigerstar, guess her memory's starting to fail too.
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