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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 16:08:25 GMT -5
i like your ideas!! and agree with the part about the cats in the Clan submitting to the rules and morals of the Clan they're in; after all, the Choosers put them in that Clan for a reason. speaking of Choosers, are we going to roleplay them, or are there going to be open slots of them, or what?
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 16:09:55 GMT -5
I think the four leaders should RP them; it makes the most sense. They're unaffiliated with any of the Clans to keep bias out of the equation, and their backgrounds are left ambiguous on purpose.
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 16:11:16 GMT -5
actually, i think it may be a good idea to develop a bit of lore around the Choosers; how they're replaced, where they live, etc. especially because people may ask questions about them. it's going to be harder to work with developing them than it is any of the Clans, in my opinion. are there four of them?
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 16:12:58 GMT -5
Yeah, there are four. Maybe we could make a kind of mythology revolving around the Choosers, and then there are some cats that believe it and some that don't?
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 16:15:17 GMT -5
hmm, i like that idea. but first we should figure out the fundamentals: if they're not associated with the Clans, where do they live? are they only seen by the Clans when they're choosing Clans for kits? do they track the progress of the kits or do they only come forward for one assessment before deciding? also, how are they replaced; they don't live forever, and they're constantly needed.
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яєɗ
Chrom is overrated you fools
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Post by яєɗ on Aug 12, 2016 16:15:30 GMT -5
Red, i really like those ideas! i feel as if SunClan and OwlClan are pretty similar on some fronts and different on others. for example, with the drowning kit scenario, OwlClan warriors would also be divided, but ultimately, many would choose to attempt to save the kit; after all, kits are the future of the Clan, and their younger life and potential is valued very highly in the Clan. actually, i think the apprentices may be the rank that is focused on the most; teaching and learning is a very valued idea, and the bond between mentors and their apprentices is inseparable.
i'm also thinking that there may be a sub-set of warriors that are permanent or fundamental mentors; i'm not sure for a name of them yet, but a group of senior warriors that oversee the training of all the apprentices, and may take apprentices of their own as well. I like that. Off question, what if SunClan and OwlClan were once one big Clan, and then they split? Those that would save the kit formed OwlClan, those who wouldn't formed SunClan? Just say if we use that to be a ~fundamental idea~ of both Clans, I feel as if we should consider that? |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 16:18:54 GMT -5
Scarpath Well, I'm thinking that it seems the most logical for the Choosers to only be seen when testing the kits. As for how they are replaced... currently thinking that over.
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 16:19:16 GMT -5
hmm, that's kinda interesting... maybe there were originally three of the Clans, but cats quickly realized that the morals of certain cats differed on certain levels, and they split into SunClan and OwlClan? that would also have an interesting impact on the relationship of the two Clans; they're typically pretty friendly with each other, whereas maybe DarkClan and SolaceClan argue more because they are so different from each other?
in reply to the Choosers thing, i think maybe they come in to each Clan once a moon or something to observe the kits? it might be more logical than having one assessment? and then when the kits are ready, they have a Choosing Ceremony and announce their decisions.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 16:43:22 GMT -5
Scarpath So basically once a month, they visit and gather up all of the kits old enough to be tested? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 17:08:25 GMT -5
I have an idea- What if, instead of StarClan, we have it so every cat believes that a cat who dies is born again as the sacred animal of that Clan? For example, the Pygmy Owl could be the sacred animal of OwlClan. OwlClan cats could be raised to believe that when they die, they will be reincarnated as Pygmy Owls. Thoughts? яєɗ Perhaps we could invent some kind of herb that induces temporary amnesia, thus making influence on the kit for the test impossible? The amnesia would wear off within 24 hours, and would revert them to their true state of mind. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 17:17:08 GMT -5
What do you mean by that?
And I'd rather the Choosers be real cats. It makes things more... interesting? The cats in the books are always getting directions for dreams, so having the Choosers be cats makes it unique.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 17:24:56 GMT -5
Well the animal could reflect their morals more than their name. Like for DarkClan, I'd choose the Gila Monster, simply for its ferocity and ability to stand alone.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Aug 12, 2016 17:35:57 GMT -5
I can try and find a desert-dwelling wolf. If not, maybe a coyote?
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 21:28:43 GMT -5
hey, has anyone here seen or read Divergent? what if the Choosers were like the Divergent members, ones who didn't fit into the categories of the Clans, and therefore were trained in how to Choose and conduct a Choosing Ceremony. the "divergent" kits that will turn out to be Choosers are very very rare and usually only come around when one of the Choosers is near death. of course, since i'm assuming the Choosers won't be roleplayed much aside from inside of the Clans, this wouldn't be roleplayed out (unless we decide to kill off a Chooser at some point) - just explained or included in some kind of "customs" description.
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 21:48:17 GMT -5
OwlClan Ranks:
leader - normal Clan leader, is usually seen as wise and deeply respected, second to the med cat
deputy - normal Clan deputy, is seen as the logical next leader, usually chosen very carefully
medicine cat - normal med cats, but the most respected rank in the Clan, viewed as having heavenly wisdom
queens - normal queens, but they are always expected to return to their warrior duties after their litter
kits - normal kits, but every cat tries not to get attached to them, knowing it is not smart to do so
teachers - perma-mentors for the whole Clan, watch over all apprentice's learning, sometimes have apprentices
senior warriors - normal senior warriors, seen as wise because of experience, sometimes have apprentices
warriors - normal warriors, but seen as inexperienced and a little bit less trusted, unusual to have apprentices
apprentices - normal apprentices, but with a lot of emphasis put on this rank, and are mentored by the most intelligent
i was thinking - maybe in OwlClan, cats spend more time as apprentices than the other Clans? and are watched over very very carefully, and are tested over and over again to make sure they're ready (mostly intelligent enough) to be full warriors of the Clan?
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 22:08:33 GMT -5
can't wait to see them!
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яєɗ
Chrom is overrated you fools
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Post by яєɗ on Aug 12, 2016 22:19:40 GMT -5
LEADER - chosen between the two deputies by a vote by the Clan. They are often the most feared yet respected cat of the Clan ;
DEPUTIES - there are two in SunClan, appointed by the leader, one from both warrior subset. They both carry out tasks, one for "predators", one for "protectors." They are followed without question, like th leader. Considered two of the three most respected cats ;
PREDATORS - these are the cats that excel in hunting. They primarily hunt, have basic fighting abilities ;
PROTECTORS - these are the cats that excel in fighting. They primarily fight, patrol, and protect the Clan. They have basic hunting abilities ;
QUEENS - normal queens ;
APPRENTICES - they are tested by the deputies when they join the Clan to be sorted into which warrior subset they will be. For their first month they are trained by the entire Clan until they take the test ;
KITS - at four months, kits take up small jobs around the Clan with apprentices to teach them responsibility ;
MEDICINE CAT - a normal medicine cat; they are respected, but when asked the kit question, they often answer that yes, they will save the kit; due to their answering, their respect levels are lower for the Clan.
I'm pooped so this is iffy, and did I forget something? I feel like I am.
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 22:28:04 GMT -5
the only thing i'm not sure of is the kits; they're not supposed to be biased towards a certain Clan, and the "chores" that you described might not be like... fair? i like the idea, and i think it could work, but you'd have to run it by Moments for a sure answer. i also like the part about the medicine cat; interesting that, in OwlClan, the med cat is the most respected ran, and in SunClan, they're not as respected.
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 22:38:51 GMT -5
i really really like the idea of them originally being one Clan, plus it will add to the folklore. i hope that gets through. i think i'll work on OwlClan's mythology and such now, but maybe SunClan and OwlClan should have similar tales? not quite the same, and some totally different, but some that overlap?
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Post by Scarpath on Aug 12, 2016 22:51:01 GMT -5
well a lot of the folklore is going to involve a starry owl - i can't think of her name yet, but she often communicates with the Clan in the place of StarClan, and is considered the wisest being of all beings. that wouldn't be the same for SunClan, obviously? but maybe their coyote is similar?
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