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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 19:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:51:08 GMT -5
Sour Candy, nobody cares about JonTron right now. Feel the room.
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Post by Noctis on Oct 19, 2016 19:51:22 GMT -5
And right before the final debate, too! You are such a tacky, self-serving person, jfc. Have some respect. There are a billion threads to spew your edgy little comments on. Stay off of this one. You're a little too attached and sensitive when it comes to this small internet forum. Lighten up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:51:28 GMT -5
No one cares about your youtuber stop
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:51:43 GMT -5
are u gonna post a pewdiepie gif next
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:52:18 GMT -5
You are such a tacky, self-serving person, jfc. Have some respect. There are a billion threads to spew your edgy little comments on. Stay off of this one. You're a little too attached and sensitive when it comes to this small internet forum. Lighten up. I'm sorry, are we all robots behind the screen?
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Post by greene on Oct 19, 2016 19:52:49 GMT -5
you wrote "but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you." ???? and you mentioned christians in the first part ?? i wasn't assuming anything about you and i was talking about how you literally wrote that not everyone hates LGBT people. and how i really don't care that they don't all hate LGBT people because i know that and it doesn't help anything to say not all people are like this i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation. there is no such thing as "Christian rights". you are not being discriminated against. you have never been discriminated against. not here, not last year, not in the last 200 years. your rights are the default, and in the United States, they always have been. no, not all Christians are bad. that applies to literally no group whatsoever. but this mentality is poisonous. that's what people are criticizing, and they have every right to be critical.
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 19:53:01 GMT -5
@december Just felt the video was appropriate considering the current situation.
@33minutes PewDiePie is too mainstream™
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:53:03 GMT -5
You are such a tacky, self-serving person, jfc. Have some respect. There are a billion threads to spew your edgy little comments on. Stay off of this one. You're a little too attached and sensitive when it comes to this small internet forum. Lighten up. Buddy, I'm planning on ditching this small internet forum very soon, so "attached" might be the wrong word.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 19:53:19 GMT -5
Obviously the problem here is a disconnect between what's considered discrimination and hate speech. On one hand, we have the religious side who do not see disagreement as hate. On the other, we have the LBGT side that believes not supporting is the same as abandoning them. And that's where the conflict lies. One sees it as discrimination, one does not. I think it's important that both sides recognize the other's perspective on the matter. The LGBT+ must realize that the religious group doesn't associate the problem with hating and therefore discrimination, which is why they are upset that it is being considered so. At the same time, the religious group needs to realize that the LBGT+ view such stances as discrimination, and that they feel unprotected in this environment.
It's a hard situation to fix, since there's such a wide rift in the definition of a word.
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 19:54:17 GMT -5
i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation. A LOSE OF CHRIDTIAN RIGHTS LMAOO IM JUST DISCUSS THR 2737E7737373 OTHER THINGS YOU COUKD TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY DOING YOU NO HARM AND WE'll be fine the problem is a potential rule could be extended to cover anything else, and the language that is used could potentially be harmful. I am merely recommending caution. please do not include me in this group, as it is something i am struggling with right now and i would very much like my belief, or lack thereof, in the metaphysical to not be a part of this conversation. I am very confused as to why my advice of "Tread lightly" needs to be so explained so thoroughly. This is an issue, and we should handle it like adults, with mature conversations. are we incapable of such?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:54:42 GMT -5
I'm not granting any concessions to people who hurt me, my friends, and my entire community, so why don't you Not.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 19, 2016 19:55:09 GMT -5
you wrote "but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you." ???? and you mentioned christians in the first part ?? i wasn't assuming anything about you and i was talking about how you literally wrote that not everyone hates LGBT people. and how i really don't care that they don't all hate LGBT people because i know that and it doesn't help anything to say not all people are like this i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation. yes and i know that not all christians are terrible people. that's why bringing it up here literally doesn't matter. i am sure as hell that verbatim knows that not all christians are bad people. just as all LGBT people know that. also i don't really equate muslims to terrorist hate groups that use religion as a foundation of hate. just as i wouldn't say all christians are like their terrorist hate groups that use the religion as a foundation of hate. like the west borrow baptist church or other worse groups that use christianity as a hate thing. because those people take things much to far and usually to an extreme and really aren't representing the religion. however, if a christian isn't able to bring up the fact that they hate LGBT people in their every day forum conversation i don't see how that's a bad thing Oh wow you don't get to mention one thing about your religion and my entire existence doesn't get called into question every single day. idk that seems like a gr8 trade off to me???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:55:33 GMT -5
@december Just felt the video was appropriate considering the current situation. @33minutes PewDiePie is too mainstream™ all of those youtubers are on the same level of gross, theyre all pewdiepies tbh
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:55:34 GMT -5
fight for Christian rights 2k16 too many gays
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:56:13 GMT -5
fight for Christian rights 2k16 too many gays This forum is Christianphobic.
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 19:56:29 GMT -5
Alright I'm leaving now since I've clearly caused enough damage
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 19, 2016 19:56:39 GMT -5
Obviously the problem here is a disconnect between what's considered discrimination and hate speech. On one hand, we have the religious side who do not see disagreement as hate. On the other, we have the LBGT side that believes not supporting is the same as abandoning them. And that's where the conflict lies. One sees it as discrimination, one does not. I think it's important that both sides recognize the other's perspective on the matter. The LGBT+ must realize that the religious group doesn't associate the problem with hating and therefore discrimination, which is why they are upset that it is being considered so. At the same time, the religious group needs to realize that the LBGT+ view such stances as discrimination, and that they feel unprotected in this environment.
It's a hard situation to fix, since there's such a wide rift in the definition of a word. •♕• literally not supporting = abandoning can you not •♔•
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:56:40 GMT -5
one time someone called jesus gay and i cried for MONTHS
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 19:57:06 GMT -5
@december Just felt the video was appropriate considering the current situation. @33minutes PewDiePie is too mainstream™ all of those youtubers are on the same level of gross, theyre all pewdiepies tbh But JonTron is pretty dank...all those Minecraft ones are pretty bad tho
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:57:40 GMT -5
OK, so I didn't even know this conversation was even still going on, but since I was mentioned I'll post. I never want to hurt anyone. I'm sorry if I somehow did I know my thoughts and opinions aren't popular, but I definitely NEVER advocate hating anyone based on their sexuality. I only try and stand up for my friends when I feel like they're being attacked. I don't want any of you guys to feel horrible, which is why I stopped even mentioning lgbt unless my friends are getting heat. I don't want to have all of this tension and I try to keep it from happening, but like I said, I'm trying to stand up for my friends when I feel like they're getting attacked. I never hate anyone and I don't want to give you guys the impression of that. I just don't agree with a specific aspect of your life. And let me be clear, disagreeing is not hating. I wouldn't ever vote against gay marriage or anything like that. It's not my business and if that makes you happy, then fine. You do you. To put this in perspective, think about personalities. I don't like people who are extroverted, but I have many friends who are and I don't try to change who they are. I still love them and them being extroverted is part of who they are. The same goes with sexuality. My religion states that homosexuality is a sin. It doesn't say we should hate gay people. It says we should love them. Love your neighbor as yourself. So while I don't agree with homosexuality, I will still love, respect, and treat people like people. I don't see how this is wrong. If I've don't anything that is actually mean and rude, I apologize, but I don't see how my thoughts are wrong. In the end, my faith is my life and I will follow Jesus Christ no matter what. That is the ultimate goal in my life and it will always be, no matter how many people hate me for it.
I really hope we can get past this, because a lot of you guys are really cool people and I don't want there to be hostility between us.
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 19, 2016 19:57:52 GMT -5
Alright I'm leaving now since I've clearly caused enough damage •♕•
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:58:13 GMT -5
can we please stop associating christianity with homophobia? a lot of homophobes are christians, but not all christians are homophobes. thanks (:
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 19:58:21 GMT -5
i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation. there is no such thing as "Christian rights". you are not being discriminated against. you have never been discriminated against. not here, not last year, not in the last 200 years. your rights are the default, and in the United States, they always have been. no, not all Christians are bad. that applies to literally no group whatsoever. but this mentality is poisonous. that's what people are criticizing, and they have every right to be critical. please stop saying "your." i do not wish to be included in this group at the moment. and while in reality, Christians are not discriminated against, we are talking about what is happening on the forums, not in the real world. and the creation of a rule could POTENTIALLY infringe upon discrimination. I'm not saying it will. i'm not saying the idea is bad. all i'm saying is that this situation needs to be approached carefully.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 19:58:52 GMT -5
[christians] have never been discriminated against. not here, not last year, not in the last 200 years. your rights are the default, and in the United States, they always have been. actually, that's not true. The whole "No Irish Need Apply" fiasco was because the Irish were largely Catholic, who were discriminated against by other Christians. Then there was the whole Maryland decibel. I guess what I'm trying to say is that being Christian doesn't mean you're automatically in the privilege group. Catholics were treated like dirt in America from its beginning until around the 1940s, including by other Christians because of belief differences.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Oct 19, 2016 19:58:52 GMT -5
if it's taking that much of a toll on your mental health that it's causing you physical and emotional anguish, this is probably the best decision to make. i'm sorry people are like this. i'm sorry that people still think in the year 2016 that it's okay to say some of the things which have been said here. you deserve so much better, and i sincerely hope you find it. i'm about to yeet this place myself honestly. i think i've outgrown it aside from a couple good friends i'll stay beside, but otherwise it just causes me all kinds of frustration which it really really shouldn't lmao props to speaking out, and best of luck. hi pls dont leave me greenie beanie
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:59:20 GMT -5
can we please stop associating christianity with homophobia? a lot of homophobes are christians, but not all christians are homophobes. thanks (: I've said I didn't like three hundred times. Can you read my posts, or?
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Post by "not" june on Oct 19, 2016 20:00:00 GMT -5
On the other, we have the LBGT side that believes not supporting is the same as abandoning them.
Oh my goddddd can you pls actually try to understand what we're saying w/o this weird passive aggressive shiz
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Post by John 3:16 on Oct 19, 2016 20:00:18 GMT -5
ugh, this thread has turned from ugly to very ugly fast.
just respect one another geesus christ stop the fighting we dont need another shutdown of otd or maybe we do
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:00:22 GMT -5
Also, I want homophobia to be silenced. If you're a Christian that hears that and thinks, "But I won't be able to talk about my religion!" then you're the one associating Christianity with homophobia, not me. I know that anyone, religious or not, can be a homophobe, and I want them all equally quiet about it. You're the one making this exclusively about Christians. So, in other words: this is not about your religion. This is about your treatment of an feelings towards LGBT people. If you can't separate those two, then that one's on you.@animefreak
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