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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 19:33:32 GMT -5
my two cents on this topic- i really apologize for the other Christians who can't keep their mouths shut. i identified as a christian for most of my life and it was issues like this that forced me to reconsider, a chapter I can't seem to pass. but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you. there are christians who are fighting for that balance between this. some who are just struggling to make sense of it all. hell, there are christians off here and in real life that identify as LGBT themselves. there is never going to be a balance, as there are going to be christians that stick to traditional values. and even a smaller number of them will attempt to hurt someone who does not share those values. but the problem is, a new rule to take care of this issue might fall under Christians, or LGBT, being silenced, which isn't okay. i strongly recommend something being done, but someone being included from all sides in order to assure that no one's rights are being violated. everyone in this community will have to treat this situation with maturity in order for ANYTHING to work. i don't care about your not all christians or not all straights narative to be quite honest well then too bad for you, you should care. y'all are so concerned about your own rights that you don't care about that of other people, and that's quite appalling. also thank you for assuming my orientation :-) never did i use either of those phrases, as i do not consider myself christian or straight.
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Post by Haleigh on Oct 19, 2016 19:33:51 GMT -5
I don't understand exactly what you mean by this. Winter was trying to help. What they said was valid and supportive. coming on here to say "NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE BAD" or "NOT ALL STRAIGHTS ARE BAD" is not really that supportive. it's absolving yourself of guilt to say you're one of the "good allies." also that narrative opens up for others who do actually hate LGBT to be like "well im one of the ones who isn't bad because not all of us are bad and im the good one" you get away with so much more with this narrative. so i don't really care for them to come here and say that not all people are like that because a) i already know not all people are bad and it doesn't help the conversation of the people who are bad. Understood. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:34:03 GMT -5
Also, I want homophobia to be silenced. If you're a Christian that hears that and thinks, "But I won't be able to talk about my religion!" then you're the one associating Christianity with homophobia, not me. I know that anyone, religious or not, can be a homophobe, and I want them all equally quiet about it. You're the one making this exclusively about Christians.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:34:32 GMT -5
tbh @ people who "don't support" LGBT people don't forget you're going to be in history books as our time's white supremacists just with a different title
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Post by Splintercat on Oct 19, 2016 19:34:37 GMT -5
I know I'm the least qualified person to respond to this, and I pray I don't stir up more drama, but you don't know how sorry I am that we've made you feel this way. I don't hate you, nor do I hate anybody else on this site. My intention was never to make you feel bad about yourself or hurt you, and neither, I don't think, was anyone else's- I was just trying to defend my faith's position, not tell you that you should or shouldn't live your life however you want. And I should have just stopped that after the first big fight I was involved in, especially since I don't often have the best control over my tongue. Again, I'm incredibly sorry that you feel this way, and I know you won't forgive me, but I must say it. I hope and pray that you find happiness and peace, wherever you go. Best of luck ❤️ I hope you understand how serious this is and always has been. I truly, honestly do. Your homophobia - and yes, it is homophobia - has a tangible, real-life effect on people, and you do immeasurable harm every time you open your moth about it. I hope this changes things. Do I think it will? Not really, but I hope I'm wrong. I do understand. I'm not backing down about my position, because it's what the Bible teaches, but (a) I don't care whether or not people are LGBT+ and never have, because it's your life and you can do whatever you want with it, ( any violence or mistreatment of people based on their sexual orientation is unquestionably wrong, and (c) I'm definitely going to stop talking about it on here, because no matter how I word it or try to explain it, it obviously does do harm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:34:38 GMT -5
is it so very difficult for you dolts to STOP HARASSING GAYS? this forum is supposed to be a safe place where EVERYONE can feel safe and happy! this is ridiculous! PLEASE RELAX AND RESPECT EACH OTHER?? im sick of all of your guys' crap.
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 19, 2016 19:34:53 GMT -5
•♕• why are all of you just so terrible jesus. (you know who im talking about ok) •♔•
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:36:21 GMT -5
my religion forces me to automatically think of christians as disgusting perverts and sexual deviants
how am i not being hateful towards christians
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 19:36:38 GMT -5
I know you aren't gonna listen to me but not supporting and hating are actually not the same Refusing to support and hating someone/something can come off pretty similarly, even if the definitions are different. For example: I don't support, say, the legalization of marijuana. Therefore, I would vote against it. People that hate it will also vote against it. The same thing is happening in both groups. Well my view on it (more specifically in LGBT I guess) (and I hope other people agree with me on this) is that some people will be like "I may not support you, but I won't interfere with you being happy" and then there are the ****weeds that are like "I hate your ideals/beliefs/whatever and refuse to let you be happy."
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Post by Noctis on Oct 19, 2016 19:38:40 GMT -5
I don't care about what's happening, I just hope the Christians on this board won't try to twist their beliefs around just to accommodate the people here.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 19, 2016 19:39:02 GMT -5
i don't care about your not all christians or not all straights narative to be quite honest well then too bad for you, you should care. y'all are so concerned about your own rights that you don't care about that of other people, and that's quite appalling. also thank you for assuming my orientation :-) never did i use either of those phrases, as i do not consider myself christian or straight. you wrote "but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you." ???? and you mentioned christians in the first part ?? i wasn't assuming anything about you and i was talking about how you literally wrote that not everyone hates LGBT people. and how i really don't care that they don't all hate LGBT people because i know that and it doesn't help anything to say not all people are like this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:39:36 GMT -5
I don't care about what's happening, I just hope the Christians on this board won't try to twist their beliefs around just to accommodate the people here. I hope you learn to hold your tongue, but okay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:40:02 GMT -5
I don't care about what's happening, I just hope the Christians on this board won't try to twist their beliefs around just to accommodate the people here. no ones asking them to change their beliefs we're asking them to shut the hell up lol
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sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾
rood yelling meanie
be cunning and full of tricks
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Oct 19, 2016 19:41:21 GMT -5
•♕• like you guys arent even giving it up when someone has admitted you hurt them, terribly. maybe you should be critical of your own opinions instead of blindly following something you have been fed since birth. the fact this thread, a goodbye from someone hurting, a goodbye from someone VERY OBVIOUSLY NEGATIVELY EFFECTED BY YOUR ACTIONS has turned into yet another """""debate""""" over people trying to defend themselves from whether they mean to or not, are perpetrated by your group is absolutely disgusting. apologize and realize what you say to people has very real and very terrible results instead of just assuming your vehement rejection, hatred, and other ways of "disagreeing" doesn't hurt anybody. •♔•
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:41:24 GMT -5
Refusing to support and hating someone/something can come off pretty similarly, even if the definitions are different. For example: I don't support, say, the legalization of marijuana. Therefore, I would vote against it. People that hate it will also vote against it. The same thing is happening in both groups. Well my view on it (more specifically in LGBT I guess) (and I hope other people agree with me on this) is that some people will be like "I may not support you, but I won't interfere with you being happy" and then there are the ****weeds that are like "I hate your ideals/beliefs/whatever and refuse to let you be happy." Taking a passive role is technically taking an active role. Back to the legalization example: Say instead of voting against it, I don't vote at all. That's technically taking a stance. I'm not contributing, therefore I am contributing. Kinda confusing Sorry. Now, change legalization with gay marriage. Your lack of a stance is a stance.Bystanders can be and usually are part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:42:05 GMT -5
Refusing to support and hating someone/something can come off pretty similarly, even if the definitions are different. For example: I don't support, say, the legalization of marijuana. Therefore, I would vote against it. People that hate it will also vote against it. The same thing is happening in both groups. Well my view on it (more specifically in LGBT I guess) (and I hope other people agree with me on this) is that some people will be like "I may not support you, but I won't interfere with you being happy" and then there are the ****weeds that are like "I hate your ideals/beliefs/whatever and refuse to let you be happy." Not supporting you literally interferes with your happiness such as my family not supporting who i chose to be with, they kick me out/disown me, don't want me to get married And don't support your lifestyle, you can't adopt this child And don't support your lifestyle, you can't have this job that will "interfere" with my happiness I think
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:42:05 GMT -5
The one person who sparked all of this doesn't care at all and hasn't been punished. :')
I'm tempted to tag them but you guys probably already know who they are. I'm in shock.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:42:52 GMT -5
Why do you people need to be right so badly that you continue to argue over something that has almost no affect on you at all, but actually hurts others to the point of being straight up afraid of existing?????? You may not be against our basic human rights but like you're just empowering those who want to literally murder us or refuse to let us get married and even actually indirectly take away any chance for some orphaned children to find homes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:43:06 GMT -5
The one person who sparked all of this doesn't care at all and hasn't been punished. :')
I'm tempted to tag them but you guys probably already know who they are. I'm in shock.
of course they dont care, they just got a Gay to delete their account. thats good for them. theyre probably happy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:44:14 GMT -5
Also, I want homophobia to be silenced. If you're a Christian that hears that and thinks, "But I won't be able to talk about my religion!" then you're the one associating Christianity with homophobia, not me. I know that anyone, religious or not, can be a homophobe, and I want them all equally quiet about it. You're the one making this exclusively about Christians. So, in other words: this is not about your religion. This is about your treatment of an feelings towards LGBT people. If you can't separate those two, then that one's on you.
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Post by Sanders on Oct 19, 2016 19:44:15 GMT -5
The one person who sparked all of this doesn't care at all and hasn't been punished. :')
I'm tempted to tag them but you guys probably already know who they are. I'm in shock.
of course they dont care, they just got a Gay to delete their account. thats good for them. theyre probably happy one less gay on the wcf
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 19:44:47 GMT -5
technically, hate speech is included under freedom of speech
however, since this is a private institution, the site has a right to monitor its members. they need to remain consistent on what they classify as okay and what they rank as rule-breaking, since I've seen a lot of variation on it.
freedom of speech means you cant get arrested for saying whatever. this is a forum, as u say, so idc if they limit what u can say that's what I was trying to say, since this forum is private it can have its own rules about the limits of free speech. So banning a certain subject or opinion or whatever is, by ideology, obstruction of free speech, but is entirely legal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:45:27 GMT -5
Also, you literally have no idea what people are going through offline for being LGBT, and f*** you for reminding people of that in a place that was supposed to be safe.
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 19:46:13 GMT -5
well then too bad for you, you should care. y'all are so concerned about your own rights that you don't care about that of other people, and that's quite appalling. also thank you for assuming my orientation :-) never did i use either of those phrases, as i do not consider myself christian or straight. you wrote "but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you." ???? and you mentioned christians in the first part ?? i wasn't assuming anything about you and i was talking about how you literally wrote that not everyone hates LGBT people. and how i really don't care that they don't all hate LGBT people because i know that and it doesn't help anything to say not all people are like this i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:46:13 GMT -5
of course they dont care, they just got a Gay to delete their account. thats good for them. theyre probably happy one less gay on the wcf one small step for straights, one giant leap for christiankind
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Post by Noctis on Oct 19, 2016 19:47:33 GMT -5
And right before the final debate, too!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:48:36 GMT -5
And right before the final debate, too! You are such a tacky, self-serving person, jfc. Have some respect. There are a billion threads to spew your edgy little comments on. Stay off of this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:48:37 GMT -5
you wrote "but please know that not everyone is like this. some of us are here to support you." ???? and you mentioned christians in the first part ?? i wasn't assuming anything about you and i was talking about how you literally wrote that not everyone hates LGBT people. and how i really don't care that they don't all hate LGBT people because i know that and it doesn't help anything to say not all people are like this i was trying to assure verbatim that not all christians are terrible people. and you know what, i'll make a comparison to muslims and ISIS right now. because i bet that you would say not accepting muslims would not be okay, right? because not all of them are terrible people like the ones behind ISIS. is that not a legitimate argument? what makes the Christian argument any different? it is a valid point to bring up in a conversation that could easily result in the loss of christian rights on this forum. if we're assuming that all christians are terrible people, then it's an easy move to remove their rights to free speech as well. I am not defending people who are incapable of supporting others. All I am saying is that we should be CAREFUL as to how we approach this situation. A LOSE OF CHRIDTIAN RIGHTS LMAOO IM JUST DISCUSS THR 2737E7737373 OTHER THINGS YOU COUKD TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY DOING YOU NO HARM AND WE'll be fine
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:49:45 GMT -5
can we all please respect each other and stfu
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:50:37 GMT -5
can we all please respect each other and stfu thats ............. the goal........... um
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