I HAVE ASC#4 THUNDER! THUNDER SPOILER THREAD

Everyone is talking about Tigerstar and sure, fine. But what about Harestar? Dude has literally no spine it's ridiculous.

Remember when most of us thought he was going to be better than Onestar? Yeah, those were the days. He's nicer, at least.

Exactly! I wonder if his indecisiveness stems from still being traumatized by the Dark Forest and wanting to please everyone yet no one all at once, but even so, this is almost making me wish Crowfeather was leader instead. Almost. Either way, it's sad and WindClan deserves so much better.

To be fair, he's between a rock and a hard place. If he sides with ShadowClan, he'll be outnumbered because Sky, River and Thunder will be against him and Shadow. But if he sides with the other leaders, it could be a gamble, because it could also mean that RiverClan might lose any stability it's gotten back and just go back to being chaotic. I get that Tigertwo's approach was god awful (it really was) but he's not wrong in thinking that Squirrel might start a war now that she's leader. And for Harestar it might down to which side of the war he wants to be on, at the end of the day he'll be putting his cats in danger. I think if anything it might benefit him to stay neutral.



On the other hand really didn't give us anything in that gathering lmfao. I do hope he does voice his opinions at the leaders only meeting though, so we can hear what he thinks without the other leaders going at each other's throats.

Thank you!

Considering all the foreshadowing about her being rejected, and even the moonpool being clouded and delaying their change in leader ship earlier, I think it's a sign. We don't exactly have a full confirmation from anyone else that Squirrel is leader. Like was Bramblestar present too?? I just have a good feeling, that for the sake of ThunderClan, and because of all the other whirlwind of issues going on right now, like with RiverClan, I wouldn't put it past StarClan rejecting her. And possibly telling her to lie about her lives, but still taking the leadership role, similar to Nightstar. Just until Ivypool is ready to step up to leadership. I think that if she dies by the end of the arc, it's too early, between books is better, but into the next series might be more ideal. And they'll probably reveal, to the readers at least, by then the circumstances of her leadership.

Screaming, crying, throwing up WHYYYYYYYYY

I knew something was up cause I couldn't freaking sleep now I'm mad. Erins are absolute cowards - how long do they think these cats are going to live for? But no, now we gotta give golden child Squirrelflight freaking leadership.

#notmyleader I am never calling her Squirrelstar.

Vote-of-no-confidence can't come fast enough. Bramblestar, honey, I'm sorry the Erins keep doing you dirty.

Did not except to see Smoky, Coriander and Little Daisy again. And for Frostpaw to get taken away by a Twoleg just like that.

I judt feel so bad for her, she already has massive trust issues and rightfully so (except with the cat that is most sus, Splashtail, due to denial and so on) and now she trusted Whistlepaw and ended up like that. Although I know that Whistlepaw, Smoky and the Twoleg are just trying to help her not die of her wounds but still. Not a good experience for her, I'm sure. Even if it saves her life.

Still, I was hoping for a different outcome, and I'm now wondering how her and Nightheart will end up on that quest together. Since it was confirmed to be indeed be him who goes with her in the Wind blurb.

So a storm prevents the leadership plot from moving forward for now? What a lame cop out, boo!

Another BrambleSquirrel argument, I love those so much /s.

Nice to see Rootspring, his sister and his great-aunt on patrol. And that Tree finally gets set up to do his job of mediator, good for him!

Bramblestar and Squirrelflight going from arguing to flirting/talking about their past as mates gives me whiplash. I know couples go from arguing to making up like that sometimes but still.

Splashtail is looking for Frostpaw (with Owlnose). I know it's very understandable because he's her Clanmate and she's been missing. But if he was the attacker, which is likely, then this could also be seen as the culprit looking for his victim to avoid suspicion. But again, he is her Clanmate and friend/crush (ugh) so it is understandable that he would be concerned, if he even actually is though.

Trial time! A mentoring trial with the SpotStem kits for Sunbeam sounds so precious, I can't wait to read that chapter, how cute of a premise <3

Love that she continues to bond with Sparkpelt and Finchlight as well as her being shown to be a future potentially good mentor option for one of the kits.

So Nightheart is at the Moonpool with BrambleSquirrel again? I wonder if more of his Clanmates will be resentful like Plumstone and Dewnose were apparently, due to him being chosen to go with them despite only returning to ThunderClan not long ago, in his previous chapter when he came back early from the first attempt.

Wait, did Frostpaw just get SPAYED while at the Twoleg vet?! Not sure what to think about that...

So she does go to the Moonpool while Nightheart is there, hidden since he's probably standing guard again, with his grandparents (and Alderheart). Just that nothing comes of it, apparently. I was hoping for her and Nightheart to interact since they'll be going on that journey together soon.

Oh, and she has a a permanent StarClan connection despite no longer being a medicine cat and not being destined to be one according to what Thunderstar said in the prologue. And she's the chosen one destined to the next leader of RiverClan, so no pressure, girl. Still hope she'll be leader by the end of the arc though.

Also, Curlfeather not being there and no one wanting to to tell Frostpaw what's going on makes me think she was sent to the Dark Forest for her possible involvment in Reedwhisker's death, after all. Even though we already saw her previously with stars in her fur when talking to Frostpaw in dreams.

Nevermind, they met lol. And just dipped. Well, that was quick lmao.

At least there's still a ThunderClan PoV or Clan PoV in general with Sunbeam. Nightheart should've at least told her where he was going, in my opinion. Especially if they somehow find out that both Frostpaw and Nightheart being missing could mean that they "ran away together".

Oh hey, Squirrelstar is leader. Good for her, and I know lots of people in the fandom will be very happy about this, so good for them too. But as a fellow Squirreflight/Squirrelstar fan, I still really hope her leadership is short-lived and that she will step back and become Squirrelflight again by the end of this arc. And that Ivypool takes over for her. My fingers are still crossed for Ivystar!

So Bramblestar, now Brambleclaw again, will be an elder but not sleep in the elders' den? While I don't like BrambleSquirrel as a ship, it's still kinda cute that they want to contuinue sleeping in the same den. Although mates of leaders have often done this in the past, we've not seen it done before with an elderly couple where one is even already an elder.

Squirreflight/star (have to get used to this a bit) knows about Nightheart being safe and having something important to do in the name of StarClan. I'm glad she told Sunbeam but doubt it will stay a secret for long. Or at least that she'll be telling Sparkpelt and Finchlight who will then join her to go look for him regardless of it not being necessary.

Can someone overthrow Tigerstar already? Pretty please? And soon! This guy is infuriatingly delusional if he really thinks RiverClan is looking better under his temporary rule, when even the ShadowClan warriors sent to guard them look tired together with the RiverClan cats. It's still a mess even with you there, Tigerstar! If you don't want to be there anyway, then just leave them alone already!

So they are going with the "Frostpaw was carried off by a buzzard" route as a cover up for her disappearance, how interesting. Splashtail looking horrified at that seems fake but that's obvious considering the Wind blurb spoilers.

Even though Squirrelstar said she doesn't want war, I'm pretty sure that there will be one regardless, despite that. If not in this book then the next one or the finale.

Harestar might as well be replaced with a cardboard box with how important/relevant he is as a character at this point. Give this man something valuable to do or say, Erins! At least Whistlepaw got some importance in this book, and probably the next one too since she's on the cover.

Good for Tree on getting to at least get to try his luck at using his position as mediator to keep the peace. Even if some cats are taunting him for it.

This was the most interesting chapter so far, in my opinion.

I 100% agree with you, something is definitely up with the leadership announcement. Most likely they still couldn't reach StarClan so Squirrelstar is going to be Nightstar 2.0. She's also lying about Nightheart being important to StarClan. Considering how bloodthirsty Squirrel has been in this arc, I'm betting on the clan voting her out. She's definitely going to start a war with ShadowClan and get cats killed.

I have zero faith Squirrelstar will stay leader bu the end of the arc.

I was just abt to call her Squilf but ig I can’t do that anymore.

Silver lining: We know for sure now that Twigbranch didn't get spayed in SS. She would have noticed the surgery site if she did.

Still love the guy. As long as he lives he keeps us from having to deal with the headache that would be Crowstar.
It's not just Bramble + Squirrel that need to retire!

You know what, you're right. Let's just keep Harestar, he's chill and quiet. I liked Crowfeather way back in the second series (can't remember the name of it, rip.) Him being deputy doesn't make a lot of sense. I stopped reading after the Last Hope, so I don't know anything about the recent books.

I agree both Bramble + Squirrel should have retired or been killed off by now. Is Crowfeather around the same age? If so, can he retire /s?

We could call her Squilst? lol it's terrible