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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 3, 2023 16:25:36 GMT -5
So since I'm reworking the plot anyway, I'm currently writing down character summaries. And at this point, at least it's something!
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 4, 2023 11:31:11 GMT -5
The "write anyways" advice is common in pretty much every writing circle. But to be honest, I've....never found it particularly helpful, for me personally and where I'm at in my writing journey. I always have a hard time articulating exactly why; I guess because the things "write anyways" helps with aren't things I struggle with?
To clarify, the meme isn't really a reference to wishing I could move on to the prose writing. I don't really get antsy about that sort of thing. More like, I'm envious that y'all have plots figured out enough for your stories that you can move past the outline stage, lol.
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 4, 2023 12:07:31 GMT -5
^^’ on the opposite end, I’m a bit envious that ya’ll can do so much planning and outlining. It’s never been something that I’ve done. An idea just comes to me and haunts me and I write down notes everywhere. And I kind of know when I’m writing that, “oh, this scene is going to go here or no… let’s hold off and put it a little later”. But I’ve never had a concrete outline. I just start writing and go from there. I know how it ends. I know how it begins. I have notes on everything in between 😅
edit: that being said, my stories do have a lot of planning and world/character building xD I just don’t do the whole outline/plan ahead.
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Post by Brownie on Apr 4, 2023 16:58:45 GMT -5
I think it's perspective. Projects that I want to make into a book need to be written, not sat on forever. Projects that are meant to be proof of concept worldbuilds are simply that and nothing more.
Hence why I have many many threads here that are just worldbuilding. Some short stories, some little drabbles, plenty of places for multiple book series of plots... but there's no intention to actually write anything in them, that's not the point of the project.
So yes and no. But if the purpose of the world is the story, then just start writing the story!! I think the holes in the world building become much more obvious once you get into the thick of things (and imo worldbuilding for novels should work towards the plot of whatever narrative you want to tell, so worldbuilding too much before you even start is just asking for trouble since that's just more that might have to be reworked)
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 4, 2023 17:35:12 GMT -5
^^’ yeah. My world grows as my story does.
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Post by Tealraven on Apr 5, 2023 15:40:46 GMT -5
Wait, you guys are actually writing??? Ya weirdos
Joking aside, I don’t know if I really write enough to be considered a writer, but I’d like to! I’m trying! And lurking on this thread has actually provided some inspiration so perhaps I’ll start popping in here now and then c:
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 5, 2023 17:54:11 GMT -5
…is it weird that I have book fours main plot planned out when I’m only writing book 2? mood honestly When you know you want A -> C but dont know what B is yet lol |
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 5, 2023 18:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 5, 2023 19:19:26 GMT -5
Coming back way later bc my time perception ain't it, but I'll have to look at Yiddish linguistic history! I didn't think of that one, though I have looked at a few German sublanguages/dialects. Creoles are actually what I started with for the early form since they're rapid-contact merges which is kinda what I'm modeling. With more gradual/subtle cases of language overlap for further development I've been looking at Romanian since that's a romance language with a lot of slavic influence. It's not technically a hybridized language but it's still interesting. Predicting results of a theoretical language contact is just kinda dicey and there's a lot of different ways it could go which gives me some creative leeway at least, so we'll see what I end up with.
And I've done similar stuff, it gets hard to balance cause worldbuilding/conlanging is its own hobby to an extent and there's a point where it becomes a distraction from the actual storytelling/writing more so than an aid I think? And w/ my current project I think I've passed that point lol Oooo that's fascinating. I guess it kinda depends on how the languages merged, or more specifically which language came first. Since people often learn languages according to what's familiar to their native tongue, so whichever language was the "original" popular tongue can dictate which aspects of the second are adopted. Sorta like in English, we use the auxiliary verb "do" for negations, questions, and as just like...extra seasoning with verbs; that was a quirk of the native Celtic languages before the early Saxon invaders forced a Germanic dialect on the British Isles, and the Celts brought that odd use of "do" with them in adopting Old English because it's what they were used to. I'm definitely an overachiever when it comes to worldbuilding. I think of the characters first, world second, and plot dead last lol. I'm kind of like Tolkien where I have all these cool people and languages and worlds I want to share, but have to think of a good enough plot to warrant showing it off.
So there wasn't necessarily a first language bc the cultural intermingling here is the result of a bottleneck situation. I'm picking the superstrate by which group was most populous in the situation and to an extent has the grammar that's easiest to learn, with the other languages kind of working mostly around its framework with a few of their own quirks sprinkled in, like some cases and word ordering variants. Also some phonological sliding around and simplification because that does happen a lot as languages evolve.
In a more specific update, I finally settled on a name for this in-world nationality/ethnicity and it models multiple of the linguistic changes I decided on c: It's not really that big a breakthrough but it feels like a breathrough bc I've gone through multiple names for them in my writing and this is the first one that actually feels like it fits.
I'm an overachiever in my writing ambitions overall, but not sure I think that's a unilateral good. Mostly I often get the feeling that I'm being kind of pretentious :| but not sure if that's just impostor syndrome.
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 5, 2023 19:22:26 GMT -5
🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 I don't think it's odd at all. tbh I think it's vastly preferable to have your whole series at least vaguely outlined before you get through writing large parts of it. There's numerous published series where you can really tell an author wrote the first book without knowing where they were going with the story as a whole, and the later books suffer for it. Thinking ahead is good.
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if you need me ill be listening to sweater weather by the neighborhood on repeat
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Apr 5, 2023 19:24:47 GMT -5
🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 I don't think it's odd at all. tbh I think it's vastly preferable to have your whole series at least vaguely outlined before you get through writing large parts of it. There's numerous published series where you can really tell an author wrote the first book without knowing where they were going with the story as a whole, and the later books suffer for it. Thinking ahead is good. You saying this honestly just reminded me what Vicky said about PoT. She write the fire scene before she even touched The Sight which meant the entire arc was just building up to that scene. That makes me feel less weird too lol. |
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Post by Brownie on Apr 5, 2023 19:29:44 GMT -5
🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 I'll also add that I wrote the end and some key middle scenes before the start for all of my major projects. Workflow doesn't have to be chronologically linear
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 6, 2023 8:43:54 GMT -5
I already have scenes written for my next books, too XD And I've created characters that won't appear until those books XD I don't think it's odd at all, haha.
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 6, 2023 14:52:18 GMT -5
🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 I don't think it's odd at all. tbh I think it's vastly preferable to have your whole series at least vaguely outlined before you get through writing large parts of it. There's numerous published series where you can really tell an author wrote the first book without knowing where they were going with the story as a whole, and the later books suffer for it. Thinking ahead is good. You saying this honestly just reminded me what Vicky said about PoT. She write the fire scene before she even touched The Sight which meant the entire arc was just building up to that scene. That makes me feel less weird too lol. That's funny bc I generally consider PoT kind of bad outlining? But also I mostly think about how badly they messed up with Hollyleaf because they admitted they didn't have an actual plan/outline for her character arc.
But I guess you can have a solid outline for one thing while completely lacking an outline for another, outside of the character issues PoT did have a more compelling overarching narrative than some of the other arcs.
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 7, 2023 12:52:48 GMT -5
This reminds me that I need to reread the books xD
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 9, 2023 16:34:41 GMT -5
Happy Easter!!
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Post by Brownie on Apr 10, 2023 13:11:16 GMT -5
The car suddenly veering off the expressway meme except it's "working on projects I can actually publish" vs "writing a 4k crackfic at 3am"
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 10, 2023 15:39:18 GMT -5
Every once in a while I feel the urge to reread the books but at this point there's so dang many of them it feels impossible to catch up, at least without giving up reading anything else for probably a whole year. I stopped at book 4 in OotS if I remember correctly. The series is now like twice the length it was then. I'm curious about Dawn of the Clans especially but,,,at what cost,,,
also write the crackfic! sometimes you just need a 100% fun, zero pressure project.
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Post by Brownie on Apr 10, 2023 15:44:52 GMT -5
Every once in a while I feel the urge to reread the books but at this point there's so dang many of them it feels impossible to catch up, at least without giving up reading anything else for probably a whole year. I stopped at book 4 in OotS if I remember correctly. The series is now like twice the length it was then. I'm curious about Dawn of the Clans especially but,,,at what cost,,,
also write the crackfic! sometimes you just need a 100% fun, zero pressure project. oh it's being written alright. (; And right??? I only read through OotS and I thought I was done but now there's like??? Ghost plots? it seems pretty fun tbh. And there might be a lot, but at least they're short and pretty fast reads, since they are still kids books. You can probably get through them quickly. |
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 10, 2023 16:26:14 GMT -5
I always think to myself that they're short and I could probably get through them pretty quickly but like. They're all still several hundred pages long and I have so little free time oof maybe one day
also on some level i am maybe waiting for the series to complete? that way i can read through the whole thing all at once and not have to wait for any others.
yay for crackfic 👏 i miss writing crackfic i used to write a lot of it on the old forums. i still love reading it lol
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 10, 2023 20:37:43 GMT -5
I had read up until the newest series xD …. But then they wrote even more in the blink of an eye xD I have like the first three books and then they finished the series… and did they add another one? I can’t keep up but I will figure it out at some point. ^^’ that being said, I had started to read Bravelands. And that series is sooo good! I love it!  but I also need to catch up there, too… I think time got away from me. Seems to have with a lot of things o.o |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 11, 2023 9:44:42 GMT -5
Dawn of the Clans is a fandom favorite arc. I personally didn't care for it, as the plot felt kinda discombobulated, but I'm in the minority. The characters (both bad and good) are the main draw.
A Vision of Shadows was really boring tbh. The main villain is defeated halfway through so the other half of the arc is just infuriating clan drama. But important stuff happens that arc that affects later ones so you have to at least skim it.
The Broken Code is really divisive among fans. You either hated it or loved it. That was the one with the aforementioned ghost plot. It focused a lot on Squirrelflight and Bramblestar, which is why the general opinion on the arc is split.
A Starless Clan is currently ongoing, book 3 was just released. The fandom seems to generally like it. It's less supernatural than the arcs have been since OOTS and focuses more on clan drama.
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 11, 2023 9:59:46 GMT -5
^^" see, two of my favorite characters are Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. But I see a lot of hatred for them. I'm guessing it's because I haven't read far enough to reach that point? Regardless, I want to form that opinion for myself, so I'll figure it out when I read on XD So, no spoilers, haha.
I'm pretty sure I'm reading a Vision of Shadows o.o I know for a fact I've not read a Starless Clan. I just had to turn around to look at my book shelf to see which ones I've got XD I have Vision of Shadows book 1-4... so I'm guessing that's all I've read XD Although, I'm not confident that I read all four? I remember reading at least one of them... Man, I really gotta catch up. This makes me sad XD
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Apr 11, 2023 10:49:55 GMT -5
^^" see, two of my favorite characters are Bramblestar and Squirrelflight. But I see a lot of hatred for them. I'm guessing it's because I haven't read far enough to reach that point? Regardless, I want to form that opinion for myself, so I'll figure it out when I read on XD So, no spoilers, haha. TBC isn't the catalyst for hatred of Squirrelflight and Bramblestar. For that, you need to read Squirrelflight's Hope, which is a super edition set between the events of AVoS and TBC. The mixed opinions of TBC is moreso because many fans felt like the series should have already moved on from the TNP cast and their stories, but the central plot for TBC heavily involves both Squilf and Bramble. So a lot of people were just tired of the same old characters and their stories being in the spotlight again instead of focusing on an entirely new cast with a fresh story. And it doesn't help it came off the heels of SqH, which is prob one of the most hated books in the franchise lol. But the other half of the fandom LOVED it. I personally don't really read the books anymore, I just kinda skim cliffnotes or spoiler thread summaries to get the general gist. I like knowing enough to have discussions in Warriors General but I've also definitely outgrown the books themselves, so it's not worth my time to read them. |
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Captain Americat
"Don't frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." - Teen Wolf
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Post by Captain Americat on Apr 11, 2023 16:19:19 GMT -5
why did i not know squirrelflight's hope existed? XD I don't think I could ever outgrow the books |
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Aroace
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if you need me ill be listening to sweater weather by the neighborhood on repeat
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Post by 🎄ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ🎅 on Apr 11, 2023 19:44:46 GMT -5
why did i not know squirrelflight's hope existed? XD I don't think I could ever outgrow the books Its probably for the best you never knew it existed. Let’s just say it’s not the uhm…not the best book in the series. |
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Post by *Ɗαɾƙρσσℓ* on Apr 12, 2023 10:47:59 GMT -5
I read the cliffs notes summary for Squirrelflight's Hope on the wiki bc my curiosity got to me, y'all maybe I'm just not getting it but why is this book controversial? Yeah it sounds drama-ridden and contrived but I feel like most warrior cats books fit that bill, especially anything post-TNP. Like I do think it's time to move on to other characters but nothing Bramblestar or Squirrelflight are doing here seems that awful? I'm too scared to go into Warriors General to investigate this I may not have outgrown the books but I've outgrown the fandom arguments lol
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but I also need to catch up there, too… I think time got away from me. Seems to have with a lot of things o.o
