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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 27, 2023 17:17:35 GMT -5
^^" i will add, though, that I prefer to write longer stories, so, while writing short stories is fun, they do tend to be on the longer side a lot of times XD
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Post by Brownie on Mar 27, 2023 17:45:22 GMT -5
yea I struggle to write anything shorter than 10k tbh that's usually where my shortform settles if there's not a specific prompt or limit valleylight it's a really helpful method! and the only way to get better at writing novels fast is to write more novels fast. Gotta practice the skill you want to improve on. It helps that I spent a lot of years writing fanfiction with deadlines, so by now I find it easy to write ~2k an hour (up to 4k if I'm really in flow state) and when I'm really into a project, I usually pull several 10k days in a row which adds up quickly. But that's with using my tried and true skip scenes and dialogue that I can't figure out in the moment method. Also it might take forever to internalize this, but you gotta realize that all first drafts suck and the important part is getting it written. The only thing the first draft needs to be good for is being written at all. Really. That's how low the bar is. That's why a lot of writers I know will use comic sans or a stupid font on their first draft so that it's impossible to take seriously. Some people can write good first drafts; I know I'm not one of them. My draft is basically a glorified extended outline: no style, lots of telling over showing, infodumpy, weird pacing inside of scenes, a lot of the time there's no dialogue at all, just notes about what needs to be said. I'm a second draft writer: I can turn that first draft into something awesome with either heavy edits or even minor rewrites, going paragraph by paragraph and using good writer words to get the blocks of information across.
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 27, 2023 17:52:54 GMT -5
^^" I definitely need to work on the 'not looking back' thing. I tend to reread multiple times, omsc. Often I'll spend the little time I have to write reading //facepaw// That's probably also why it takes me a million years to write.
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Post by valleylight on Mar 28, 2023 10:23:39 GMT -5
Not particularly because at the moment I've been using my short stories as a way to develop my story more. But, I will say that the most short stories I have written are probably historical fiction XD Historical fiction is one of my favorite genres to write, in general, despite it not being what I'm working on currently. That's so cool! Historical fiction is the best. My mom wrote a historical novel back in the day, but she lost her manuscript during a move, so I never got to read it. We're still hoping she'll decide to rewrite it and publish it someday.
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Post by valleylight on Mar 28, 2023 10:58:23 GMT -5
I honestly used to hate how restrictive short fiction felt, and I would always prefer writing more than less. But the form of it really interested me over time. I still prefer long form, but I also like the paradox-y freedom that comes from making the most of a single premise/character study. And I totally agree that they're great for expanding on worldbuilding for larger stories! Brownie I love the idea of writing first drafts in comic sans, XD. It seems like the perfect way to stay in the right headspace.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 28, 2023 11:20:15 GMT -5
Question: if a story is set in an alternate world with its own plants, animals, etc., but there is no magic, is it still considered "fantasy"?
My worldbuilding is largely influenced by historical fiction, a lil bit of steampunk, and has fantastical elements, but there's absolutely no magic. I've rarely ever seen a novel in the fantasy genre that lacked it in some capacity (whether a defined system or implied). So I've kind of taken that on as a challenge to myself -- writing a story that still gives all the vibes and adventure and enchanting "otherness" of fantasy worldbuilding without utilizing magical elements.
It's actually pretty hard to ride that line between "realistic but fantastical/cool" and "realistic but boring/mundane". E.g., dragons exist within my worldbuilding, but I had to do a whole lot of research and thinking to figure out how they could realistically exist in a non-magic world while still being a dragon (in all its cool fantasy glory).
But then, I wonder: at what point does it stop being fantasy and becomes science fiction?
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 28, 2023 12:43:57 GMT -5
Not particularly because at the moment I've been using my short stories as a way to develop my story more. But, I will say that the most short stories I have written are probably historical fiction XD Historical fiction is one of my favorite genres to write, in general, despite it not being what I'm working on currently. That's so cool! Historical fiction is the best. My mom wrote a historical novel back in the day, but she lost her manuscript during a move, so I never got to read it. We're still hoping she'll decide to rewrite it and publish it someday. Yes, it really is awesome ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/Zk1a5XUEHw6Q8FG1L5Qy.gif) That’s so cool! But omsc… that’s terrible that she lost it ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/eejyJM8_jTuGdFr6DpMy.gif) I almost lost mine due to a computer problem and I was hysterical. It was like a family member had died. I hope she’ll be able to write it again, but I also know how hard that can be… losing something you loved and worked so hard on and then having to replace it? It‘s hard to get that same feeling and those same words, ya know? Like maybe the plot will be the same and the characters generally the same… but, man. I feel for her.
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 28, 2023 12:48:55 GMT -5
I honestly used to hate how restrictive short fiction felt, and I would always prefer writing more than less. But the form of it really interested me over time. I still prefer long form, but I also like the paradox-y freedom that comes from making the most of a single premise/character study. And I totally agree that they're great for expanding on worldbuilding for larger stories! Brownie I love the idea of writing first drafts in comic sans, XD. It seems like the perfect way to stay in the right headspace. Like I said above, I do short stories and love to write them. But I am better at and much prefer long. That being said, I chuck rules out the window. I told myself long ago that rules in writing don’t exist— who else can tell you what is write or wrong? Writing is art. And it comes from the heart and the soul and if you’ve got that story in your heart, who’s to tell you that you can’t write it? Or that it’s got to be written a certain way just because someone way back when did it a certain way? Obviously there’s grammar and stuff like that. But otherwise, I don’t care about rules. If it’s a good story, it’s a good story.
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Post by Brownie on Mar 28, 2023 13:16:06 GMT -5
tbh I'd catagorize any non-Earth setting as fantasy or sci-fi. I think whatever you want to market it under is preference; if you have dragons and low tech, I'd probably go with fantasy tho cuz that's where the readers will be. Nowadays they're both pretty much the same genre so you can just label it whatever audience you feel the story is most suited for
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 28, 2023 21:32:56 GMT -5
I personally find first person short stories to be far easier for me to write than long form, which also sucks for me because I have whole novels I wish to write, yet can't because writer's block and anxiety suck! I know interlinked short stories are a thing though and I have thought about doing something like that, the question is how, at least without everything feeling rushed or forced. I don't know, maybe I'm just setting up way too many expectations for myself.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 28, 2023 22:58:24 GMT -5
I personally find first person short stories to be far easier for me to write than long form, which also sucks for me because I have whole novels I wish to write, yet can't because writer's block and anxiety suck! I know interlinked short stories are a thing though and I have thought about doing something like that, the question is how, at least without everything feeling rushed or forced. I don't know, maybe I'm just setting up way too many expectations for myself. I actually struggle with this too! One of my inspirations for writing was Andrzej Sapkowski who wrote The Witcher. Originally he made a bunch of loosely connected short stories that revolved around one character. In the first collection of them, he had seven short stories that were explained by the main character having flashbacks while resting in a temple with each flashback being it's own individual story. I'm trying to do something similar to this and then work my way up from short stories to full fledged novels. Not that you need to follow this example, but I've found using a framing device so it's a story-within-a-story kind of deal helps with the "how" aspect, and since they're revolving around one singular character and their perspective can help build the world around it, as well as flesh them and other characters out at the same time using multiple variations. Just as an idea because as I said earlier, I struggle with writer's block even though I have tons of ideas.
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 29, 2023 13:14:27 GMT -5
When your writing notebook has gathered dust because you haven’t picked it up in that long. Man. I can’t believe I let my life drag me away from this for so long.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Mar 29, 2023 14:53:06 GMT -5
When your writing notebook has gathered dust because you haven’t picked it up in that long. Man. I can’t believe I let my life drag me away from this for so long. Man, I’m sorry to hear that! One of my New Year’s resolutions was to put aside at least 15 minutes a day to writing, but that never happened lol. I’m going to try to do some writing right now though (that is if my computer decides to be on my side, but you never know).
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 29, 2023 15:00:24 GMT -5
I personally find first person short stories to be far easier for me to write than long form, which also sucks for me because I have whole novels I wish to write, yet can't because writer's block and anxiety suck! I know interlinked short stories are a thing though and I have thought about doing something like that, the question is how, at least without everything feeling rushed or forced. I don't know, maybe I'm just setting up way too many expectations for myself. I actually struggle with this too! One of my inspirations for writing was Andrzej Sapkowski who wrote The Witcher. Originally he made a bunch of loosely connected short stories that revolved around one character. In the first collection of them, he had seven short stories that were explained by the main character having flashbacks while resting in a temple with each flashback being it's own individual story. I'm trying to do something similar to this and then work my way up from short stories to full fledged novels. Not that you need to follow this example, but I've found using a framing device so it's a story-within-a-story kind of deal helps with the "how" aspect, and since they're revolving around one singular character and their perspective can help build the world around it, as well as flesh them and other characters out at the same time using multiple variations. Just as an idea because as I said earlier, I struggle with writer's block even though I have tons of ideas. What's funny is that I actually read the novels for the first time recently! And a framing device would be a good idea (even one of my own favorite books has one!), I'm just not sure what the consistent focus would even be on.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 29, 2023 20:55:31 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. Ooh, I actually answered this earlier lol! Yeah, first person is definitely easier for me to write personally, but I've written in this person as well and it's just as fun, but I definitely have a preference for first.
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Mar 29, 2023 21:02:46 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. I prefer third person, and I typically write in third person as well, however, I'm not against first person and its good to read and dabble in writing it sometimes as well, especially since it offers an insight into the character's mind that you don't entirely get in third person
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 29, 2023 21:03:26 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. Third person 100%. Writing in first person is a nightmarish experience for me. Probably related to why I don't like reading first person perspectives, either.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 29, 2023 21:27:42 GMT -5
I actually struggle with this too! One of my inspirations for writing was Andrzej Sapkowski who wrote The Witcher. Originally he made a bunch of loosely connected short stories that revolved around one character. In the first collection of them, he had seven short stories that were explained by the main character having flashbacks while resting in a temple with each flashback being it's own individual story. I'm trying to do something similar to this and then work my way up from short stories to full fledged novels. Not that you need to follow this example, but I've found using a framing device so it's a story-within-a-story kind of deal helps with the "how" aspect, and since they're revolving around one singular character and their perspective can help build the world around it, as well as flesh them and other characters out at the same time using multiple variations. Just as an idea because as I said earlier, I struggle with writer's block even though I have tons of ideas. What's funny is that I actually read the novels for the first time recently! And a framing device would be a good idea (even one of my own favorite books has one!), I'm just not sure what the consistent focus would even be on. Yay! Another fan. But I also have this problem myself. Is there a specific theme or motif that's pretty relevant in your writing? That might be a start.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 29, 2023 22:55:13 GMT -5
What's funny is that I actually read the novels for the first time recently! And a framing device would be a good idea (even one of my own favorite books has one!), I'm just not sure what the consistent focus would even be on. Yay! Another fan. But I also have this problem myself. Is there a specific theme or motif that's pretty relevant in your writing? That might be a start. I actually do! Thinking on it further, however, doing this as interlinked short stories, even with a framing device, would probably require me to make alot of changes to what I originally had in mind, especially where the central protagonist is concerned, as she won't be staying in one place or doing just one thing and there's meant to be a much larger threat looming in the background. Actually, I'd be more than happy to go into more detail privately if you'd be interested! Fortunately, there are other stories that should be much easier for me to work with, as these ones are based on media that have been in the public domain for centuries now, one of which is Shakespeare.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 29, 2023 23:56:58 GMT -5
Yay! Another fan. But I also have this problem myself. Is there a specific theme or motif that's pretty relevant in your writing? That might be a start. I actually do! Thinking on it further, however, doing this as interlinked short stories, even with a framing device, would probably require me to make alot of changes to what I originally had in mind, especially where the central protagonist is concerned, as she won't be staying in one place or doing just one thing and there's meant to be a much larger threat looming in the background. Actually, I'd be more than happy to go into more detail privately if you'd be interested! Fortunately, there are other stories that should be much easier for me to work with, as these ones are based on media that have been in the public domain for centuries now, one of which is Shakespeare. Ooh I know that feeling. Could it be a different character, perhaps? Or set in a different time? Shakespeare is also a good influence tbh, I can't believe he didn't even come to mind. And I'd love to hear more about it if you're willing! I always love to hear about what others are working on.
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Post by Brownie on Mar 30, 2023 0:58:06 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. Second tbh One of my favorite projects to work on is in second person future conditional and it is so satisfying to write in. Technically it's in first, since there is a first-person narrator doing the speaking and occasionally that refers to themself (i.e I think you should; if it were me) but functionally the peice is in second, as that's the perspective of the main character, where the first person narrator is an omnicient observer. (if anyone wants a sample dm me (;) I've always felt really comfy with second person and I wish it were easier to use haha It's by far my favorite to dabble around with, esp for shorter projects. I write most everything in third (and on projects that I do choose to try first, I end up accedentally swapping to third midway through paragraphs...). Mostly because I'm long winded in my descriptions (esp in spec fic. I will use three pages to describe that plant thank you) and that doesn't fit with first person as easily. Perhaps if my protag is similarly a biology nerd. I'm also quite a fan of third true omnicient, though I don't use it very often. I don't think it's a very good tense for most modern novel writing; it just takes a lot more finesse and can easily muddy the clarity of the storyline. But if anyone is looking for a good warm-up or wants practice really honing your clarity of character and action economy, write a short story in true omnicient that takes place during a party (or otherwise crowded space). It's a very good teaching tool that forces you to focus on making characters easily differentiated and unique in few words while also being able to pick only the most important scenes and perspectives as your lens as you move around the space. Highly recommend that one.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Mar 30, 2023 5:54:54 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. Second tbh One of my favorite projects to work on is in second person future conditional and it is so satisfying to write in. Technically it's in first, since there is a first-person narrator doing the speaking and occasionally that refers to themself (i.e I think you should; if it were me) but functionally the peice is in second, as that's the perspective of the main character, where the first person narrator is an omnicient observer. (if anyone wants a sample dm me ( ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/K_aktz7ovAHLNjZqbiem.gif) I've always felt really comfy with second person and I wish it were easier to use haha It's by far my favorite to dabble around with, esp for shorter projects. I write most everything in third (and on projects that I do choose to try first, I end up accedentally swapping to third midway through paragraphs...). Mostly because I'm long winded in my descriptions (esp in spec fic. I will use three pages to describe that plant thank you) and that doesn't fit with first person as easily. Perhaps if my protag is similarly a biology nerd. I'm also quite a fan of third true omnicient, though I don't use it very often. I don't think it's a very good tense for most modern novel writing; it just takes a lot more finesse and can easily muddy the clarity of the storyline. But if anyone is looking for a good warm-up or wants practice really honing your clarity of character and action economy, write a short story in true omnicient that takes place during a party (or otherwise crowded space). It's a very good teaching tool that forces you to focus on making characters easily differentiated and unique in few words while also being able to pick only the most important scenes and perspectives as your lens as you move around the space. Highly recommend that one. I find it interesting that you use second person, because I never use it. Usually I only use it to prompt someone.
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 30, 2023 6:55:19 GMT -5
Well that went well. Couldn’t even log onto my computer, so I think it’s officially died. I’m ordering myself a new one right now. RIP Spice’s Computer (2019-2023) Aw, I'm sorry, Spice ):
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Post by Captain Americat on Mar 30, 2023 7:00:08 GMT -5
I have a question: Do you guys prefer third or first person when writing? Personally I prefer third, but do find it nice to pull out a first person writing piece every once in awhile. However, I find first person more difficult to write, and I don’t know why. Lots of writers who prefer first person have told me it’s easier to express the character’s feelings in that prospective, but I find just as easy in third person. In third person, I can be more descriptive, while in first person it would sound odd for a character to spit out every detail of what’s happening. Both. I prefer third person... but sometimes the situation calls for first person & that works more naturally.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Mar 30, 2023 14:57:15 GMT -5
Well that went well. Couldn’t even log onto my computer, so I think it’s officially died. I’m ordering myself a new one right now. RIP Spice’s Computer (2019-2023) Aw, I'm sorry, Spice ): Its alright. I knew it was going to happen anyways.
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Post by Brownie on Mar 30, 2023 15:04:36 GMT -5
ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ You should totally try working with second person! You might find you like it ;) I recommend starting with the format of a letter first, and go from there.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 30, 2023 21:10:08 GMT -5
Anyone else use virtual writing tools? I use Campfire and I'm thinking about Pro Writing Aid as well, if it works on mobile. World Anvil seems good as well, but there's no option for a lifetime option, so I'm just sticking with these two.
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Post by Brownie on Mar 30, 2023 22:21:51 GMT -5
Anyone else use virtual writing tools? I use Campfire and I'm thinking about Pro Writing Aid as well, if it works on mobile. World Anvil seems good as well, but there's no option for a lifetime option, so I'm just sticking with these two. I tried scrivener a while back and it was probably the best thing I've tried. But tbh, I have a really good organization system for google docs already, so I don't really care to spend time trying to learn something new. And I waste too much time on character sheets and plot points and honestly irrelevant details already; I don't want a system that encourages me to do anything other than write the actual manuscript I do use world anvil, but only for worldbuilding purposes, not for writing. It's a steep learning curve too and I am not really a fan (yet) because I don't feel that their folder system allows me to find the articles I'm looking for easily, nor does it make it easy to present my information in a logical way. Still working with it, but manually adding all my articles to a masterlist of characters is annoying.
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