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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 26, 2022 11:39:51 GMT -5
Actually I think the more I think about it the more angry I become. As if things couldn't get worse with racism/sexism/etc now we have to add ****philia to the heaping garbage pile of things they're putting in these books Hmmm. So you haven’t read Spottedleaf’s Heart?
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 11:48:52 GMT -5
OnexWhite seem pretty cute so far. So he already broke off from Smoke it seems. Was she already pregnant here? Sorrelshine is officially confirmed as the mother of Whitetail. We also got a death not just for her, but also Runningbrook. so many of my family tree headcanons r going down the drain now lol. is there anything more on runningbrook? i always hc'd her, webfoot, and whitetail as siblngs but i assusme thats not canon Based on what I've read so far, I'm not sure. Sorrelshine had more than one kit in the same litter, but Whitetail is the only one named in the timeskip. Seeing as to how she broke down over Runningbrook's death, they could be sisters. It's just not stated.
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Post by brightheartt on Aug 26, 2022 11:52:27 GMT -5
Actually I think the more I think about it the more angry I become. As if things couldn't get worse with racism/sexism/etc now we have to add ****philia to the heaping garbage pile of things they're putting in these books I don't think you're using that word correctly. There's an age difference, sure, and it'd be one thing it were like, say, Dustpelt and Ferncloud (they weren't mentor and apprentice, but you get what I mean), but according to the summaries—unless I'm misinterpreting—Onewhisker apparently didn't even start to like Whitetail romantically until well after she had become a warrior. Yeah it’s not p*dophillia since she was an adult when his attraction started like you say. But it is still highly uncomfortable for me since mentors are basically personal tutors from the age of our equivalent of 11-12 years old. It’s so weird and uncomfortable to me for someone to look at someone they helped to raise and go “yeah thats hot”, even if it is after they have become an adult. Also not to mention it is a highly questionable thing to present to children, since this is basically saying “as long as they aren’t your teacher any more it’s fine if you start dating!”, which is just so icky and gross to me. I feel like as well there will be at least a handful of kids not taking into account that she’s an adult now and just think “once a teacher stops teaching you it’s fine if they get together with you!” which is a super dangerous interpretation given how school systems never have one consistent tutor throughout all of education.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 11:54:16 GMT -5
R.I.P. Stagleap. :c Him wanting to die was not what I was expecting. I wonder how Wrenflight died.
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 26, 2022 11:59:58 GMT -5
Chapter 9: Onewhisker goes to see Smoke. The life in the Clans had become worse and worse. He sees Smoke with a tiny white kit by her side, pride and happiness burst through at the sight of seeing his son, telling Smoke he is beautiful. Smoke tells him he is the only one of the litter to survive and that she had tried chasing after him the last time they spoke but she got disoriented on the moor, fell and gave birth right there, no one to help her. She tells him she is worried about the Twolegs taking her kit away.
When he returns to the new WindClan camp, he and Whitetail gather moss for Tallstar’s den. Inside the den, he hears commotion outside the camp – Crowpaw has returned, escorted by the morning border patrol. Onewhisker and Webfoot are angry at the sight of him as he left the Clan. Crowpaw asks for Tallstar and requests they speak in private. After talking with Crowpaw, Tallstar calls a Clan meeting, saying he will go to the Moonstone to speak with StarClan. When Barkface offers to come, Tallstar says he is needed more in camp. He looks around and asks for Onewhisker to come with him on the journey and that Mudclaw is out hunting and doesn’t want to wait for him to return.
They travel to the Moonstone. Onewhisker reflects how he knew he would never be deputy or leader, his paws weren’t set on that path and he was glad of it. Whenever he listened or saw Tallstar or Mudclaw, he was glad he wouldn’t ever have those responsibilities. They have a conversation, Tallstar then tells him he is a good warrior and asks him if he will always use good judgement as well. Onewhisker, puzzled why Tallstar would ask him that, says he will do his best. Tallstar thanks him.
Tallstar goes in the Moonstone alone and when he comes out, he is gasping. StarClan showed him the Twolegs destroying everything and that they must leave. When they reach back to camp, they see Mudclaw returning with lots of prey. When Whitetail asks where he found it, Tallstar hints that he was hunting on another Clans territory. They have a conversation about that, Whitetail says they need to stop as they are warriors of honor. After eating, Tallstar has Crowpaw share with the whole Clan what happened on the journey.
He tells them what happened on the journey. No cat is surprised that Squirrelpaw went with them despite StarClan not choosing her. He tells them about the sun-drown place, midnight, the message Midnight gave them, the Tribe and Feathertail. The Clan believes him. Webfoot has doubts about leaving but Onewhisker and Tornear are all for it.
Crowpaw returns from hunting the next day with a huge hawk, much to Mudclaw’s appreciation. He admits he learned how to do it in the Tribe, but Onewhisker’s anger toward Crowpaw is abated when he sees his catch. Crowpaw and Tallstar go to Fourtrees to meet with the other leaders and StarClan-chosen cats, but nothing happens and StarClan doesn’t speak with them. All the leaders have different plans for what they are going to do, to Onewhisker and Whitetail’s dismay.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 26, 2022 12:10:29 GMT -5
Unless this changes later on or I missed something from earlier chapters, I'm actually glad they're not making Mudclaw out to be worse than he actually was just to make Onewhisker look better and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like him. Again, feeling bad for Smoke here—regardless of what she does in the future, no parent should have to outlive their child. And the fact that no one is surprised Squirrelpaw went along is honestly pretty funny. She was that much of a troublemaker, huh?
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Aug 26, 2022 12:32:16 GMT -5
This seems interesting, but i do have say I’m disappointed at how fast it went. I wanted to see Gorsepaw alive, and WindClan being driven out by ShadowClan in their POV
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 26, 2022 12:50:01 GMT -5
There's a few things that annoy me.
I'm on the fence about the pacing, I just didn't expect the story to time skip that much, however I'm not saying I didn't expect one at all. I did think we'd at least see some key moments first, like Onewhisker and Firestar's first meeting, or Onewhisker's relationship with other cats, but I guess not.
Nightcloud not getting any family confirmations peeves me off, maybe one day. We also didn't get any significant Gorsepaw bonding moments, which feels like a very obviously missed opportunity as well.
The WhiteOneSmoke triangle is annoying. Reading the summaries on how Onewhisker handles any of that situation really does make him out to be a more cowardly Appledusk 2.0 and it's gross. There's a lot of things that could be said about his relationship with either she-cat.
I think the problem with OneWhite is the power dynamic, and then going as far as to note that she's "older" now so he can think of her in that way, is a weird way to try and justify that narrative. I'm not saying all Mentor/Apprentice situations fall under that narrative though, because some of them aren't this bad. But some are still creepy, for example, Dust was kinda weird about how eager he was to try and train both Fern and Ash BECAUSE he liked Fern. So I can see why some find OneWhite uncomfortable, regardless of them being consenting adults, simply because the narrative is trying to justify Onewhisker liking his former apprentice.
One the other hand the obvious issue with OneSmoke, is how neglectful and cowardly he played their relationship. Interest between them was built on a false image of Onewhisker being glorified in the eyes of kittpets since he was an apprentice. One that stayed since he got older, and he constantly ran back to the kittypets as a "source of comfort" to avoid responsibilities while in WindClan. But now it's the other way around, and he's avoiding his responsibilities with the kittypets. He, whether intentionally or unintentionally, played with Smoke's feelings, got her pregnant, and then essentially abandoned her when she needed him the most.
And he confirms that part of the reason he refuses to take her into WindClan, let alone their only surviving kit, is because he's ashamed of their relationship. Ashamed of what he's done, and is scared of Whitetail finding out about the truth. He didn't exactly seem to cover his tracks well either, since Tornear and Mudclaw were both suspicious of his relationship with Smoke, and even Stagleap knew before passing away. That's a huge yikes. Just how much time did he spend running off to be with kittypets over helping his own clan.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 13:02:32 GMT -5
And now we're on Dawn. Crowpaw and the questing cats have returned. This means we also never got family for Owlwhisker since he was a kit when Crowpaw left. Yes, I am upset. Poor Smoke, though.
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 26, 2022 13:48:24 GMT -5
Chapter 10: WindClan is weak and prey is even more scarce. Onewhisker wonders what is wrong with Firestar: if he wants to leave why doesn’t he leave, they would go with him. Tornear reminds him that ThunderClan has a paw in every cat’s business. Onewhisker suggests that WindClan join the Tribe. They suddenly see Twoleg monsters and noises coming from the camp. They race back and see the camp, full of big monsters, destroyed. Cats were fleeing in every direction. While the other cats escape, Onewhisker stays behind to make sure everyone has escaped. He hears Owlpaw’s terrified mewling and helps him escape from a collapsed tunnel. Every cat has escaped. They find shelter near the ThunderClan border. Tallstar says that its time to ask ThunderClan for prey, as Firestar is sympathetic to them. Onewhisker is worried how Firestar will react. ThunderClan has been driven out of their home to Sunningrocks so they go there. Squirrelpaw bounds down to meet Crowpaw, Brambleclaw joins. Onewhisker get embarrassed by he and his Clan’s weak appearance when they climb the rocks to join ThunderClan and angered at how ThunderClan was better fed. Tallstar reaches Firestar’s rock, collapses and begs for help.
Suddenly, Tawnypelt appears and yowls that Twolegs are attacking their camp. ThunderClan and WindClan go and help ShadowClan, Brambleclaw going to persuade RiverClan for help. When Tallstar tells Firestar he will help, Firestar and the others refuse. Tornear tells him he is on his last life but Tallstar refuses and says he will not miss the battle. When the patrols reach Fourtrees, Mistyfoot and her patrol join them. Firestar leads them into ShadowClan territory and lets out a ferocious battle cry. Deep inside the territory, they see the monsters nearly at the camp, tearing down the land, the debris falling down onto the cats. Firestar finds a route untouched by the Twolegs and has them take that route. Firestar divides them into patrols and has Onewhisker and Tallstar defend the escape route Tawnypelt just told him about that will allow them to reach the tunnels under the Thunderpath. Onewhisker feels offended that he was given the easiest, least dangerous task out of them all before realizing how stupid he was being. ShadowClan soon escapes and Onewhisker guides them to the escape route. Onewhisker carries a ShadowClan kit through through most of the route until it is safe. Tallstar has to get all authoritative with four ShadowClan cats going the wrong way to get them to go the right way. Tawnypelt realizes that Tallpoppy and her three kits are still missing. Onewhisker finds them, her kits scrambling in all directions, not obeying their mother. Tallpoppy, Tawnypelt and Onewhisker each manage to grab a kit, but Onewhisker gets hit by something slamming into his side as he rescues the third kit, he sees a falling tree. He and the kit are now trapped but still alive. Brambleclaw rescues them. As Onewhisker gets out, he realizes Firestar is missing. He realizes what happened – Firestar thrust himself between Onewhisker and the tree. Onewhisker wants to stay and find Firestar, but Brambleclaw has him get the others to the Thunderpath. They all reach safety. Onewhsiker tells Tallstar Firestar saved him for joining StarClan.
Onewhisker is focused on the mouth of the tunnel, wondering where Firestar and ThunderClan are. He finds it hard to accept he might never see Firestar again, the cat who proved so triumphantly that a kittypet can become a warrior, the cat Onewhisker thought of as his friend. Leafpaw and Firestar burst into the open. Firestar asks how everyone is doing. Onewhisker is relieved – that was Firestar: always so concerned about other cats – so maybe that means Firestar isn’t too badly hurt, he hopefully thinks.
All the Clans/patrols who helped ShadowClan go to Sunningrocks and guide/help each other, Onewhisker notes its like they aren’t separate Clans anymore and is comforted by that. He adds that especially now that Firestar is with them, the Clans might have hope.
They rest for some time. Mistyfoot then approaches Firestar about needing to make a decision about leaving the forest. Blackstar joins them. Tallstar and Tornear are asleep so Onewhisker joins Firestar and Mistyfoot too. Mistyfoot tells Firestar that RiverClan will leave the forest with the other Clans, relieving Onewhisker. Firestar tells him to let Tallstar know RiverClan and ThunderClan will travel to their new home with WindClan. He asks Blackstar if they will join them. After hesitating and Firestar hissing at him, Blackstar agrees. Firestar announces to all the cats they will leave at dawn.
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Aug 26, 2022 13:52:10 GMT -5
Reading through the chapter summaries of this thread: It does seem to be like the majority of this book will cover most if not all of Onestar as a leader or at least the key moments. The fast pace for now while he is still just a warrior at least indicates as much.
I'm rather dissapointed that the beginning years of his and Firestar's friendship were not shown in the slightest as well as his mentoring relationship with my poor boy Gorsepaw. All in favor of the drama between him and Smoke (and Whitetail's there too, of course). Finally meeting Smoke and seeing her interactions with Onewhisker is definitely interesting though.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 26, 2022 13:52:50 GMT -5
Okay, looks like we're seeing the start of Onewhisker's resentment, however brief (and understandable in this case) it is right now. Interesting that he thought WindClan should join the Tribe, too.
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Post by brightheartt on Aug 26, 2022 13:58:16 GMT -5
I really hope we find out family stuff about Harestar and Kestrelflight. Literally the two most important WindClan cats currently alive and we have no idea where either came from
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 26, 2022 14:01:29 GMT -5
He's quite the mess. He debates becoming a kittpet, constantly runs from his problems, and even thinks of joining WindClan to the tribe...I'm finding it very hard to see any of the leadership qualities Tallstar apparently saw in him. When so far he's just shown to be cowardly, relieved he's not in a higher position, and is now showing starts of his growing resentment towards Firestar and their friendship. It makes what he did to Firestar later on even more... distasteful.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 14:10:36 GMT -5
Time for the journey! That would've been odd had WC just up and joined the Tribe. I still wish we got parents for you Owlpaw. Tallstar is on his last life which he will lose at the end of the journey. And Tallpoppy and her kits. Okay, just checked the wiki before posting this. It was actually Onewhisker who told Tallstar he was on his last life, not Tornear. And Firestar did save Onewhisker and a kit from the falling tree. I remembered the kit, but I didn't remember Onewhisker was also there.
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Post by carbonfoot on Aug 26, 2022 14:40:04 GMT -5
Actually I think the more I think about it the more angry I become. As if things couldn't get worse with racism/sexism/etc now we have to add ****philia to the heaping garbage pile of things they're putting in these books I don't think you're using that word correctly. There's an age difference, sure, and it'd be one thing it were like, say, Dustpelt and Ferncloud (they weren't mentor and apprentice, but you get what I mean), but according to the summaries—unless I'm misinterpreting—Onewhisker apparently didn't even start to like Whitetail romantically until well after she had become a warrior. Yeah, fair enough. But with this, Spottedleaf's Heart, and all of the other portrayal of age gap relationships it's just really frustrating to me-
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 26, 2022 14:50:38 GMT -5
Chapter 11: The WindClan cats are sleeping on the moor, their last nap before they meet with the other Clans to begin their journey. He is curled up with Whitetail exhausted, but his paws are itching to be on the move. He climbs out of the hollow and scents an approaching cat – Smoke. Another cat is with her, his son. The kit is sickly looking and walks with a limp on one forepaw.
Smoke tells him her Twoleg died and she is worried animal control will separate her from her kit. She asks if they could come with him to his camp as they need a place to live. Onewhisker says he is sorry but no, they cant, as they don’t even have a camp anymore. Smoke interrupts but Onewhisker tells her its not possible in a deliberately harsh tone. He remember how Leo died and that taking and training kittypets would be even harder now when the Clan was fighting for survival. He asks himself how he would explain Smoke and the kit to Whitetail and tries to convince himself that that wasn’t the reason he was sending her away. He tells her the Clans are leaving tomorrow anyway. Smoke asks if he doesn’t care that the kit is his son and tells him his name is Darkkit. Onewhisker tells her it’s a good name and looks gently at the kit. Darkkit doesn’t respond but stares at Onewhisker with a strange intensity that sends a shiver of apprehension through Onewhisker. Onewhisker tells himself that Darkkit has every reason to be angry. When he asks, Smoke tells her Darkkit stepped on a thorn and that his paw is still sore. Onewhisker fetches a dock leaf from the camp.
When he returns, he sees Smoke looking at Whitetail, and angrily hisses how he could leave with her and never see her or his kit ever again. She tells him she wont let that happen and wake the whole Clan and tell them the truth about her and his kit. Smoke gathers herself to leap into the hollow but Onewhisker shoves her aside and apologizes. He tells her once they find their new camp, he will come back for them. As soon as he says it, he is appalled by what he just said, of course he cant come back for her. Smoke makes him promise. He looks at Darkkit and wishes with a pang of guilt he could raise him in WindClan but it wasn’t possible. Smoke tells her if he breaks the promise, she will teach Darkkit to hate him and all the Clans. Onewhisker says that he promised but had no idea how he would keep that word and decides that was a problem for the future.
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Aug 26, 2022 14:55:24 GMT -5
Onewhisker making empty promises. How lovely. I honestly feel bad for Smoke and Darkkit/tail. Teaching her son to hate the Clans was not right of Smoke but I understand he anger at Onestar completely. She deserved better.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 26, 2022 14:55:34 GMT -5
🤦♀️
That's it. That's my response to this.
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 26, 2022 15:25:58 GMT -5
Spine can you post the full cover art?
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 26, 2022 15:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 26, 2022 15:32:28 GMT -5
The full cover is beautiful!
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 15:37:25 GMT -5
I often wondered if Smoke went back to her Twoleg. That answers that question. But why in the world would Onewhisker make such a promise when he knew there was almost no way for him to keep it.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 26, 2022 15:39:04 GMT -5
Also, on a side note, looks like Smoke did name Darktail in the traditional Clan naming way. I wonder if she ever called him Darkpaw.
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Aug 26, 2022 15:42:32 GMT -5
That full OC cover is now one of my absolute favorites soely because of my bias for the color combination of blue, purple and pink, I just love it so much. Move over Onestar, you're in the way ( got some lovely flowers though)!
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 26, 2022 15:43:48 GMT -5
That full OC cover is now one of my absolute favorites soely because of my bias for the color combination of blue, purple and pink, I just love it so much. Move over Onestar, you're in the way ( got some lovely flowers though)! exactly how i feel!
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Aug 26, 2022 15:46:41 GMT -5
That full OC cover is now one of my absolute favorites soely because of my bias for the color combination of blue, purple and pink, I just love it so much. Move over Onestar, you're in the way ( got some lovely flowers though)! exactly how i feel! Glad we are on the same page about it then. :-)
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Post by littleclevergem123 on Aug 26, 2022 15:54:22 GMT -5
Man. So one of the reasons Onewhisker didn’t take Darkkit was because he didn’t know how to explain it to Whitetail? I don’t like that
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Post by primethegreat on Aug 26, 2022 16:00:10 GMT -5
I can’t believe they skipped the original arc. I was super excited to see the Windclan-Shadowclan conflict from Windclan’s view, and the battle that drove out Windclan, so we could have a list of Windclan cats alive during the first book.
I also thought they were setting up something in Leopardstar’s Honor with the missing rabbits in Windclan being related to Onestar. But I guess not.
I like Onestar’s characterization so far, as a coward who does anything for a positive reputation. Would have made more sense if he was an only child in his litter, with his sisters being better then him, but oh well. He makes a good foil to Blackstar.
Tallstar and Mudclaw also seem very consistent with their previous behavior.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 26, 2022 16:14:22 GMT -5
Also, on a side note, looks like Smoke did name Darktail in the traditional Clan naming way. I wonder if she ever called him Darkpaw. this is why i desperately want an SE on smoke and darktail, and the formation of the kin. i want smoke to become a female villain who forms the kin, but once she passes, she leaves the leadership to her son to continue the mission of taking down his father and the clans as much as possible.
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