I have Thunder and Shadow *Spoilers*

Sept 3, 2016 21:13:43 GMT -5 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said:

Sept 3, 2016 21:09:12 GMT -5 *Faith* said:

She's alright. The book doesn't tell us how she now feels having Tigerheart in ThunderClan. But she's still a kind warrior. She's also mentioned with blue eyes throughout the book. Considering how much her eye colour changes throughout the series, this is kind of surprising.

In chapter 4 Dovewing and Tigerheart have some tension with one another. And this reminds me, when Alderpaw and Twigkit were going to ShadowClan to see Needlepaw and Violetkit (they didn't know that those two were in trouble) they run into a patrol consisting of Tigerheart, Cloverfoot and Rippletail. After Alderpaw makes up an excuse why they are there Tigerheart's first question is: "Is Dovewing with you?"

Seriously? Wow, Tigerheart!

Could you perhaps post the scene where the tension between Tigerheart and Dovewing is shown?

"What are you doing here?" Tigerheart demanded.

Dovewing padded toward him. "Tigerheart!" She sounded pleased to see him. "We have news."

Tigerheart showed his teeth as she stepped over the border. She stopped, her ears twitching in surprise.

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Dovewing leaped over the foul-smelling stream and began sniffing ahead.

Tigerheart jumped after her, nudging her aside to press his own nose to the ground. "Nothing here."

"Perhaps they waded along the stream to disguise their scent," Dovewing suggested.

Tigerheart snorted. "Rogues aren't that clever. Besides..." He peered into the ditch. Stinking black water lay at the bottom. "What cat would get their paws wet in there?"

Dovewing glared at him challengingly. "A cat that wants to hide his trail?"

Tigerheart held her gaze for a moment, then growled. "You still have to be the smartest cat in the Clan."

Dovewing's blue eyes flashed in the gloom. "And you still have to be the most arrogant."

Sept 3, 2016 22:54:10 GMT -5 Lightflame said:

Sept 3, 2016 22:06:22 GMT -5 *Faith* said:

I actually can't find that in the book. So I assume not. I really need to reread TAS to find this.

I found it, it's on Page 182.

It's a quick bit.

Breezepelt showed his teeth, "They're murderers!"

That's it.

Also, on Page 157, Violetkit is called Violetpaw.

Thanks! c:

And I remember that mistake about Violetkit. Twigkit was called an apprentice before she became one as well.

Sept 4, 2016 13:28:26 GMT -5 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said:

Thanks, Faith! Honestly, such disrespect! And poor Rkwanstar or having to deal eith it. But it makes for a good story, I guess. ^^

Do you think you can post the scene where ShadowClan chooses Darktail over Rowanstar and kick him out?

Scorchfur glowered at the ShadowClan leader. "We're not coming." His yowl cut across the moonlit camp like a claw slicing through the darkness.

Tigerheart and Tawnypelt jerked their muzzles toward the dark gray tom. Dawnpelt turned to face him.

Violetpaw stared at disbelief as Spikefur, Sparrowtail, Mistcloud, and Rippletail padded to join Scorchfur. They glared malevolently at Rowanstar.

Scorchfur lashed his tail. "Why should we meet with the Clans who refused to help us?"

Spikefur hissed. "They were prepared to let us die!"

Rowanstar pushed between Tawnypelt and Tigerheart, stopping short of the rebellious warriors. "I am the leader of ShadowClan, and I say we're going."

Scorchfur huffed. "Where were you when Crowfrost handed our hostage over to ThunderClan without a fight?"

"Holding an apprentice hostage wasn't going to change anything," Rowanstar retorted. Tawnypelt had told the ShadowClan leader what had happened while he was ill. "Sickness is no excuse for a Clan to act like rogues."

"And how do rogues act?" Spikefur stepped forward. "Do they withhold herbs while innocent cats die? Or is that just Clan cats?"

Mistcloud's ears twitched. "Onestar behaved badly and the other Clans let him. We are not like them. We don't want to be like them."

Rowanstar's eyes rounded sympathetically. "If you want to air your grievances, come to the Gathering. Speak with the other Clans. Perhaps we can make them see that they've treated us badly."

"Words didn't work before," Scorchfur snarled. "Why should they work now?"

"I'll speak to them for you." Rowanstar's tone was conciliatory. "You can stay here and I will report back what they said."

Scorchfur narrowed his eyes to threatening slits. "If you go to the Gathering, don't bother coming back," he hissed. "ShadowClan doesn't need a week leader like you."

As he spoke, Spikefur turned toward the entrance to the camp.

Violetpaw's heart lurched as she saw shadowy figures streaming into the clearing. She tasted rogues scent, and as the shapes moved in to the moonlight, she recognized Darktail, Rain, Raven, and the rest of their campmates. Violetpaw felt sick. Needletail was with them, and Sleekwhisker and Cloverfoot. Every cat from the rogue camp was here except Beenose. Had she left them? Had the sickness killed her?

Violetpaw pressed against Dawnpelt, ashamed of her trembling paws. What are they doing here? Why have they come?

Spikefur padded to greet the rogues, dipping his head to Darktail before turning back to Rowanstar. "We need new leadership," he growled. "Strong leadership."

Rowanstar's eyes sparked with fury. He glared at Spikefur, and then his gaze flitted angrily around the rebellious cats before resting on Darktail. "Our you suggesting that we give our Clan over to the rogues?" His mew was icy.

Violetpaw saw the muscles rippling across Rowanstar's shoulders. His ribs still showed through his pelt from the illness, but as his hackles rose, she remembered what a fierce warrior he was.

He faced Darktail. "You will take this Clan over my dead body."

Delight sparked in Darktail's gaze. "That sounds fair."

The rogue leader flung himself at Rowanstar.

Violetpaw gasped.

Rowanstar reared, but the force of Darktail's attack pushed him back. Rowanstar's hind legs trembled as he dug his paws into the earth and braced himself against the snarling rogue. Eyes flashing, Darktail turned his head and bit into the ShadowClan leader's neck.

Rowanstar grunted, twisting beneath Darktail as he tried to shake him off. But the ShadowClan leader must have lost his balance. With a jerk, Darktail flipped him onto his side, jaws still gripping his neck.

Help him! Violetpaw stared at her Clanmates. They drew closer, their eyes wide with shock. Why doesn't someone help? Her gaze flitted from the Clan cats to the rogues. Needletail, where are you? But as soon as she spotted her friend, she knew she would not stop the attack. Needletail was watching the attack with excitement-just like the rest of the rogues.

Rowanstar hissed, struggling free from Darktail's grip. He turned on the rogue leader, but Darktail was quicker. He dived beneath Rowanstar's belly and heaved him off his paws. As Rowanstar fell, Darktail lashed out, slicing the ShadowClan leader's muzzle. Blood splashed across the clearing, shining darkly in the moonlight.

Tigerheart snarled and leaped at the rogue leader.

At last! Violetpaw leaned forward, blood roaring in her ears.

Tawnypelt hurled herself after Tigerheart, and together they shoved Darktail away from Rowanstar. Batting at him with vicious blows, they drove him back toward his campmates.

Tigerheart glanced at Tawnypelt, and together they began stalking toward the glowering rogues, snarling. But then, suddenly, Tigerheart looked around and seemed to realize that he and Tawnypelt were the only cats moving to defend their leader. "Wait," he hissed to Tawnypelt, looking around the camp. She dropped onto all four paws, narrowing her eyes at the invading cats.

The rest of ShadowClan watched, unmoving.

Tigerheart and Tawnypelt looked at each other, uneasy acceptance flashing in their eyes, and then slowly backed away.

What was wrong with the others? Violetpaw stared at them in disbelief. Did they truly all want a rogue leader instead of Rowanstar?

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There is much more, but you get the idea.

Sept 4, 2016 15:09:31 GMT -5 Pixie said:

Does Alderheart seem to like Needletail romantically at all?

Is Violetpaw and Twigpaw's relationship broken?

Does Violetpaw or Twigpaw have any love interests?

How would you feel about a TigerSTAR (2)?

Violetpaw and Twigpaw don't have any love interests.

It would be interesting if Tigerheart does become the next leader. Hopefully he'll do a great job, and I seriously hope he doesn't get compared to his grandfather, Tigerstar.

Violetpaw was hurt when Twigpaw chose ThunderClan over her and was angry to see her near the end of the book. Though she did tell Twigpaw to run. Twigpaw's not sure their bond of kinship will survive their decision.

Alderheart does seem to think about Needletail a few times in book and is shocked when he found out that Needletail left ShC to join the rogues. He knows that Needletail can break the rules, but believes that she would never betray the Clan. At least, that's what he thought when he found out about this.

Sept 4, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -5 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said:

What are Bramblestar and Squirrelfligt like in the book? And is Sandstorm at least mentioned at all?

 Alderpaw is thinking about Sandstorm in chapter 3 while wondering once more if there wasn't something else he could've done to save her.

Bramblestar was very worried about ShadowClan and was shown to be relieved that Rowanstar had recovered from the illness. Both Squirrelflight and Bramblestar were very proud of Alderpaw when he was about to leave camp to go the Moonpool to get his full name. These two are pretty good parents. Though as Ivypool put it, two leaders and two deputies in one Clan are too many. I think Squirrelflight and Tigerheart clashed at one point.