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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 27, 2021 18:52:18 GMT -5
This depends a lot on my social standing with everyone involved. Since the question appears to be inspired by Ivypool's and Firestar's involvement with Dovewing's and Graystripe's relationships, I'll assume that for this case: it's a very close friend of mine, I don't know the other Clan cat, and I have a functioning but not close relationship with the Leader.
I would try everything I could to stop my friend from pursuing that relationship, but I wouldn't blow their secret yet. I would use reasoning first ("Don't you know all the ways this could end in pain?"), and if that doesn't do it, I would try to spend as much time with them as possible (or get their other friends to) to keep them away. If that still doesn't do it, I'd pull a Hollyleaf and follow them to their meeting place and point out to both of them that if I were able to follow them, their Leaders could too.
Worse comes to worst and they're still betraying their Clans, I'd slip an anonymous tip to the deputy. (Not really "anonymous" but whatever). When I had a moment alone-ish with the deputy, I'd say "So-and-so hasn't been sleeping in their nest at night, and I'm kind of worried about them, I don't know what to do." That way I'm not blowing their secret (and thus not implicating myself if the Leader decides to punish everyone involved), and the deputy can decide what to do with that information. From there on out I'm no longer involved. I've done everything I could, and now it's not worth the extra attention.
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Post by Aqua on Aug 27, 2021 19:10:10 GMT -5
Since I don't think there's anything wrong with cats falling in love with different clans, I don't think I would do anything to stop them and just accept what they're doing. I don't think it's worth the stress to get involved and stop someone, say like Dovewing or another cat, because they won't listen, and I don't really want to create drama for myself like that. I've read OotS enough to know that telling someone to stop seeing someone isn't worth it, and I don't think it's really any cat's business to get involved into relationships like that - whether they're my siblings or not - so I'd rather just stay out of it. Reading the books about this situation, getting involved just causes tension between everyone, and it's probably just not worth the frustrations. Accept them for who they are and their mistakes, don't bother reporting it, and leave them alone to face their own consequences.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 27, 2021 19:15:40 GMT -5
I'm against the whole cross clan thing being against the warrior code to begin with. So it's not my problem
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2021 7:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by raptor on Aug 30, 2021 8:07:13 GMT -5
I think the rule is outdated and pointless, so I'd probably leave them be or help cover for them.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 30, 2021 22:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 31, 2021 2:37:40 GMT -5
Scenario 3: I'd convince them to break it off then tell the leader if they don't.
It's breaking the code, so yeah if they don't break it off, or leave one clan for the other then I'll probably report them.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 31, 2021 9:27:46 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by Jayie on Aug 31, 2021 9:29:54 GMT -5
I dunno, I feel like my answer would rely heavily on the context of the situation. Do I like my Clan? Does my mate’s Clan seem nicer, or less nice? Are neither of us on good terms with our Clans? I don’t feel like I can make a choice without taking those things into consideration.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 31, 2021 9:43:08 GMT -5
Honestly, this one depends. If I don't like my own clan enough, I'd move to theirs, but if they're willing to move to mine, then that works too. So I guess I'd try to convince them to join mine first, and see if it works out.
It'd be weird to break things off unless it was still early on in the relationship and kits aren't involved yet. Keeping it a secret would only make things worse, and I'd hate the idea of lying to my clanmates. And running away together is just...utterly stupid.
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Post by crowspirit on Aug 31, 2021 15:55:45 GMT -5
Well, I'm Ace and possibly Greyromantic, so imagining myself in this situation is a bit hard for me, but I'll try. I'd probably break up with them, though. I'm pretty career driven, night meetings with my lover would result in me getting so exhausted I couldn't concentrate properly anymore.
I'm a terrible lier and would feel really bad for lying to my clan mates. I'd be a danger to my clan. And also, I like my family and my friends too much to leave them just to join my lover. I just don't think it's worth it. But yeah, I'm probably not the right person to ask…
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Aug 31, 2021 16:00:12 GMT -5
If I really love the person and they're ok with leaving the clans I don't mind running away together. I think it be cool to travel the world with them and meet new cats
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 31, 2021 16:02:13 GMT -5
I'm super close to my family, so I'd try to convince my mate to move to my clan.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 31, 2021 17:10:17 GMT -5
Eh, given the type of person I am, I'm not sure how I could fall in love with another Clan's cat while tensions are high in the first place. Spitting hatred at the border every morning does not a romantic mindset make, lol.
I do actually know from real life experience that I will choose my family over a romantic interest any day, regardless of how much I love the person. I was briefly put into that situation a few years ago with an LDR, and we basically hit a stalemate in our relationship because neither of us would leave our family. So as a Clan cat, I don't see why I'd be any different. If I had the experience to know that the relationship wouldn't be able to go anywhere, I'd break things off. (If I didn't, I'd probably just continue nightly meetings and no progress would be made toward a solution).
I wouldn't try to convince them to leave; if it's not a choice I'm willing to make, it's unfair of me to persuade them into making it.
Situation changes if there are kits though. I want my kits at any cost, and if my Clan pulls a Bluestar and hands my kits over to the other Clan to "avoid war", I'm following them. But I'm female, so the chances of that happening are slim, lol.
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Post by Chicken on Aug 31, 2021 17:25:48 GMT -5
Honestly, it would depend on what clan the one I fell with was from, because if they're from RiverClan or ShadowClan, no thanks, I'm not joining. Like, old forest ShadowClan had the best territory, but they're soooo easily duped and always get themselves into trouble. Though, overall, I think I'd run away, I feel like I'd be a pretty useless clanmate anyway, and I wouldn't want to drag my clanmates into all of this because I decided to break the code.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Sept 1, 2021 6:51:30 GMT -5
I would try to convince the cat to join my Clan or I would suggest we run away together.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 1, 2021 8:56:40 GMT -5
I would try to convince them to join my Clan, but if that can't work, i would join their Clan. But if for some reason i don't want to join their Clan, we would run away together. I'm not just going to give up the love of my life for a dumb code, lol.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 3, 2021 8:50:30 GMT -5
Next one up!
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Sept 3, 2021 8:59:29 GMT -5
I would disagree with him at the gathering before he makes the decision; he has to put our Clan first and foremost, and even if its a great act of kindness, we have to spare our pity and take care of our own Clan, as we are risking our lives for our enemies. We should keep the land to ourselves, and let the other Clan find a way to help their own.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 3, 2021 9:03:59 GMT -5
So long as we can get something out of the other clan in the process, it's fine. Have them swear to pay the favor back or give us some other concession.
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Post by daurianwind on Sept 3, 2021 9:15:46 GMT -5
Depends on that kind of leader he is, - support them publicly, but disagree with them privately or keep my thoughts to myself or support them publicly, but disagree with them privately; try to convince them to change their mind - it can be a part of his political game and he wouldn’t be glad if I break it, it’s better to talk first or that can be just his mistake that he doesn’t want to admit, so he could change not his mind but deputy and I could not help Clan loosing my post. Anyway after taking leader’s place, I will do as I want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 9:46:04 GMT -5
disagree publicly because leaders deserve to be humbled a bit sometimes I think
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Post by Chicken on Sept 3, 2021 10:11:00 GMT -5
The code states that all clans must help keep the other alive, so I would have no qualms about this, however, I would suggest to not just give up the land, but to share hunting rights, and if the other clan refuses, then I will disagree with my leader, why should we give a mile to a clan not even willing to budge an inch?
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 3, 2021 17:55:11 GMT -5
Say nothing unless the Leader asks me directly, at which point I'd tell the truth (disagreeing) but make sure the Leader knows it's his decision and I'm simply offering an opinion.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 4, 2021 0:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 4, 2021 4:44:09 GMT -5
I'd disagree with them. Especially if the leader didn't run things by us first, then other members of the clan have a right to object and be upset at doing something so nonsensical.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2021 6:47:04 GMT -5
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