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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 24, 2021 15:20:02 GMT -5
catch me being a mudclaw loyalist til the day i die lmao. i will always take the argument that "onestar was worse." mudclaw never had a personal grudge against firestar and thunderclan. if he became leader like he was supposed to, he'd not attack them uselessly like onestar did in eclipse. mudclaw would just tell his clan to be more protective of borders and thats it. aint nothing wrong with that. No, instead he just murders Onewhisker, Ashfoot, Leopardstar, and Mistyfoot. He might go for Thunderclan too actually since Hawkfrost was pushing him to take out Firestar in order to push Brambleclaw. Mudclaw is worse, this manga confirms it. The silver bullet to this tired argument is that he planned on murdering at bare minimum four innocent cats, two of them his clanmates. The very last whataboutist defense crumbles like a sand castle when one realizes that as bad as Onestar is, at least he never planned to murder two clanmates and enslave his clan to Hawkfrost. if he was never betrayed and became leader like he was supposed to, he'd never have a reason to be mad at or want to kill ANYONE. that's what i was trying to say. he'd become leader like normal and appoint someone as deputy (i've seen people say he'd make his bro tornear deputy i think. not sure what my own opinion/headcanon is on that). if onewhisker said no to firestar and insisted they follow the code and let the true deputy become leader, onewhisker would not be mudclaw's enemy in any way. he'd just be annoyed that onewhisker would still be friendly with thunderclan, but since onewhisker would have no power to give away land, or if he did anything else to help thunderclan (like give away prey or herbs without permission), then mudclaw would have a valid reason to punish him.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 15:21:55 GMT -5
catch me being a mudclaw loyalist til the day i die lmao. i will always take the argument that "onestar was worse." mudclaw never had a personal grudge against firestar and thunderclan. if he became leader like he was supposed to, he'd not attack them uselessly like onestar did in eclipse. mudclaw would just tell his clan to be more protective of borders and thats it. aint nothing wrong with that. No, instead he just murders Onewhisker, Ashfoot, Leopardstar, and Mistyfoot. He might go for Thunderclan too actually since Hawkfrost was pushing him to take out Firestar in order to push Brambleclaw. Mudclaw is worse, this manga confirms it. The silver bullet to this tired argument is that he planned on murdering at bare minimum four innocent cats, two of them his clanmates. The very last whataboutist defense crumbles like a sand castle when one realizes that as bad as Onestar is, at least he never planned to murder two clanmates and enslave his clan to Hawkfrost. That's true. He absolutely would go for Firestar. Hawkfrost makes it pretty clear that after Firestar is gone, Brambleclaw will just be such a wonderful leader - which implies they were going to make Firestar go. The only safe clan is ShadowClan because Blackstar isn't a bad leader, but he's not particularly hard to manipulate. He's kind of a big, dumb jock cat.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 15:22:56 GMT -5
No, instead he just murders Onewhisker, Ashfoot, Leopardstar, and Mistyfoot. He might go for Thunderclan too actually since Hawkfrost was pushing him to take out Firestar in order to push Brambleclaw. Mudclaw is worse, this manga confirms it. The silver bullet to this tired argument is that he planned on murdering at bare minimum four innocent cats, two of them his clanmates. The very last whataboutist defense crumbles like a sand castle when one realizes that as bad as Onestar is, at least he never planned to murder two clanmates and enslave his clan to Hawkfrost. if he was never betrayed and became leader like he was supposed to, he'd never have a reason to be mad at or want to kill ANYONE. that's what i was trying to say. he'd become leader like normal and appoint someone as deputy (i've seen people say he'd make his bro tornear deputy i think. not sure what my own opinion/headcanon is on that). if onewhisker said no to firestar and insisted they follow the code and let the true deputy become leader, onewhisker would not be mudclaw's enemy in any way. he'd just be annoyed that onewhisker would still be friendly with thunderclan, but since onewhisker would have no power to give away land, or if he did anything else to help thunderclan (like give away prey or herbs without permission), then mudclaw would have a valid reason to punish him. Feeling betrayed isn't an excuse to murder other cats *waves hands wildly at Ashfur*
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 15:54:00 GMT -5
serious post here but lol the way people are arguing if mudclaw is “good” or “bad” instead of if he’s interesting. maybe i don’t Care if he’s good or bad, maybe i like him bc he’s actually interesting. the comic i made in december continues to be relevant
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Post by halogen on May 24, 2021 15:54:26 GMT -5
Two. He had a whole of TWO supporters in Windclan. I suppose your definition of "good amount" may be different to mine but a mere two cats hardly seems like a lot. The fact that there are literally twice as many Riverclanners in his little gang as Windclanners despite this supposedly being for Windclan speaks volumes. I don't recall saying "WindClan supporters" on this thread Vect. Regardless, any cat can follow the 13th code like sheep even if they disagree with Onestar. You are right that Mudclaw himself wasn't unpopular in his Clan, but I think the fact that most of the Clan supported Onestar think is less about the thirteenth code and more about how thinking Mudclaw was the rightful leader would mean thinking Onestar was lying, and he's their Clanmate, someone who has shown nothing but loyalty, who they grew up with and fought with. I think their reactions to the whole leadership thing early in the magna make that clear - even if some of them might prefer Mudclaw ass a leader if they were given the opportunity to choose between the two, they respect both cats so the view that would make neither look bad is that Onewhisker was telling the truth and he should thus be leader. Plus even if a cat did think Mudclaw was right they might think betraying the Clan is going too far. It makes me think of what would have happened if Mudclaw had won. He realizes he has alienated his Clan that he convinced himself his actions were to defend, and is now leading only by force and fear, and he's horrified by it.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 15:57:00 GMT -5
I can't for the life of me figure out who the ginger one is
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Post by halogen on May 24, 2021 15:57:24 GMT -5
serious post here but lol the way people are arguing if mudclaw is “good” or “bad” instead of if he’s interesting. maybe i don’t Care if he’s good or bad, maybe i like him bc he’s actually interesting. the comic i made in december continues to be relevant Agreed so much! By the way, who are the cats in this picture? I recognize Bluestar and Clear Sky (and maybe Pinestar and Nightcloud?) not sure about the others.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5
serious post here but lol the way people are arguing if mudclaw is “good” or “bad” instead of if he’s interesting. maybe i don’t Care if he’s good or bad, maybe i like him bc he’s actually interesting. the comic i made in december continues to be relevant Agreed so much! By the way, who are the cats in this picture? I recognize Bluestar and Clear Sky (and maybe Pinestar and Nightcloud?) not sure about the others. bluestar, clear sky, onestar, nightcloud, pinestar, millie, and mudclaw. the focus in fandom not on Meaning or Technique or Narrative Purpose but on if a character is “good” or not is. well it’s not good for analyzing fiction lawl
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 16:48:38 GMT -5
serious post here but lol the way people are arguing if mudclaw is “good” or “bad” instead of if he’s interesting. maybe i don’t Care if he’s good or bad, maybe i like him bc he’s actually interesting. the comic i made in december continues to be relevant He's definitely an interesting character (Also, I like Nightcloud and Pinestar, personally) BUT I think when people argue that Mudclaw is an inherently good cat is pushing it. I like liking questionable but interesting characters is fine, but I also think it's important to be honest about their downsides
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:56:30 GMT -5
serious post here but lol the way people are arguing if mudclaw is “good” or “bad” instead of if he’s interesting. maybe i don’t Care if he’s good or bad, maybe i like him bc he’s actually interesting. the comic i made in december continues to be relevant [Pic] He's definitely an interesting character (Also, I like Nightcloud and Pinestar, personally) BUT I think when people argue that Mudclaw is an inherently good cat is pushing it. I like liking questionable but interesting characters is fine, but I also think it's important to be honest about their downsides This. No one either side or in between has said Mudclaw isn't interesting after the spoilers.
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Warrior Fanatic
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on May 24, 2021 17:10:17 GMT -5
Just because Onestar ended up being a weak leader doesn't make Mudclaw right by default. The fact that he didn't say a fox was nearby so it would hurt Onewhisker should say something, never mind that several innocent cat could've potentially gotten hurt because he was just that petty.
And I get it! I do! He felt cheated after serving as deputy for seasons and the entire thing seemed suspicious and Tallstar should've asked for Mudclaw either instead of or as well as Firestar while he was on his deathbed, but there's a line to be drawn and Mudclaw crossed it when he started contemplating murder.
And after reading the spoilers, I'm starting to wish Tallstar had just chosen Tornear as Mudclaw's replacement instead.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 17:18:38 GMT -5
Just because Onestar ended up being a weak leader doesn't make Mudclaw right by default. The fact that he didn't say a fox was nearby so it would hurt Onewhisker should say something, never mind that several innocent cat could've potentially gotten hurt because he was just that petty. And I get it! I do! He felt cheated after serving as deputy for seasons and the entire thing seemed suspicious and Tallstar should've asked for Mudclaw either instead of or as well as Firestar while he was on his deathbed, but there's a line to be drawn and Mudclaw crossed it when he started contemplating murder. And after reading the spoilers, I'm starting to wish Tallstar had just chosen Tornear as Mudclaw's replacement instead. Tornear or Ashfoot would have probably made better leaders
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:24:49 GMT -5
Tornear is an underrated king <3
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 24, 2021 17:32:35 GMT -5
I don't recall saying "WindClan supporters" on this thread Vect. Regardless, any cat can follow the 13th code like sheep even if they disagree with Onestar. You are right that Mudclaw himself wasn't unpopular in his Clan, but I think the fact that most of the Clan supported Onestar think is less about the thirteenth code and more about how thinking Mudclaw was the rightful leader would mean thinking Onestar was lying, and he's their Clanmate, someone who has shown nothing but loyalty, who they grew up with and fought with. I think their reactions to the whole leadership thing early in the magna make that clear - even if some of them might prefer Mudclaw ass a leader if they were given the opportunity to choose between the two, they respect both cats so the view that would make neither look bad is that Onewhisker was telling the truth and he should thus be leader. Plus even if a cat did think Mudclaw was right they might think betraying the Clan is going too far. It makes me think of what would have happened if Mudclaw had won. He realizes he has alienated his Clan that he convinced himself his actions were to defend, and is now leading only by force and fear, and he's horrified by it. Regardless, to me cats will follow any leader because the code demands it, that's why we have Brokenstar for example. And it also shows later after Mudclaw dies, when even cats like Ashfoot, Onestar's own deputy, didn't like how he was stealing from other territories but still behaved like a doorstep when confronted over it by other clans. She clearly didn't approve, yet still went along with it, like the rest of the clan. Same thing happens later when Onestar attacks other clans, messes with borders, and even leaves one clan to die out. The only time we ever see other wise because the deputy and medicine cat have enough of Onestar's crap. And it's already noted that cats had issues with Onestar even if they did accept him as leader. The 13th code is a plague imo, but it's also why cats will continuously act like sheep in the eyes of StarClan and follow even incompetent furballs. At the end of the day, Mudclaw having moral conflicts to me will never be as bad as how Onestar turned out. Mudclaw at least showed guilt, hesitation, and inner contemplations while struggling with the things that were presented before him as a character. When has Onestar ever shown that until he finally got outed for not paying child support? Honestly, I find more interest in Mudclaw's morally gray character structure than Onestar's incompetent fall from grace.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 24, 2021 17:42:49 GMT -5
You are right that Mudclaw himself wasn't unpopular in his Clan, but I think the fact that most of the Clan supported Onestar think is less about the thirteenth code and more about how thinking Mudclaw was the rightful leader would mean thinking Onestar was lying, and he's their Clanmate, someone who has shown nothing but loyalty, who they grew up with and fought with. I think their reactions to the whole leadership thing early in the magna make that clear - even if some of them might prefer Mudclaw ass a leader if they were given the opportunity to choose between the two, they respect both cats so the view that would make neither look bad is that Onewhisker was telling the truth and he should thus be leader. Plus even if a cat did think Mudclaw was right they might think betraying the Clan is going too far. It makes me think of what would have happened if Mudclaw had won. He realizes he has alienated his Clan that he convinced himself his actions were to defend, and is now leading only by force and fear, and he's horrified by it. Regardless, to me cats will follow any leader because the code demands it, that's why we have Brokenstar for example. And it also shows later after Mudclaw dies, when even cats like Ashfoot, Onestar's own deputy, didn't like how he was stealing from other territories but still behaved like a doorstep when confronted over it by other clans. She clearly didn't approve, yet still went along with it, like the rest of the clan. Same thing happens later when Onestar attacks other clans, messes with borders, and even leaves one clan to die out. The only time we ever see other wise because the deputy and medicine cat have enough of Onestar's crap. And it's already noted that cats had issues with Onestar even if they did accept him as leader. The 13th code is a plague imo, but it's also why cats will continuously act like sheep in the eyes of StarClan and follow even incompetent furballs. At the end of the day, Mudclaw having moral conflicts to me will never be as bad as how Onestar turned out. Mudclaw at least showed guilt, hesitation, and inner contemplations while struggling with the things that were presented before him as a character. When has Onestar ever shown that until he finally got outed for not paying child support? Honestly, I find more interest in Mudclaw's morally gray character structure than Onestar's incompetent fall from grace. That's hardly a fair comparison when we don't get Onestar's inner perspective, unlike Mudclaw. Given Onestar's personality, I would be surprised if he didn't feel any moral compunctions over it. Give it a few years, when we get "Onestar's Regret" as a manga I'm sure we'll get all the regrets one could ever ask for. Anyway, cats don't need the 13th code to follow someone like a sheep. After all, Mudclaw completely ignored the code and ended up more of a sheep than anyone else as he jumped into the wolf's maw, haha.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 24, 2021 17:46:58 GMT -5
Tornear is an underrated king <3 I’ve had such a grown appreciation for him recently. And let’s not forget how he is second for the most cats apprenticed, training 4. He is only behind Tawnypelt and Rosepetal with 5. And one of his apprentices ends up as leader! He’s always been a cat I appreciated and respected.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 24, 2021 17:50:58 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Onestar, I feel like Mudclaw would’ve turned out even worse than him as a leader.
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Post by Mothdapple on May 24, 2021 17:53:27 GMT -5
Agreed so much! By the way, who are the cats in this picture? I recognize Bluestar and Clear Sky (and maybe Pinestar and Nightcloud?) not sure about the others. bluestar, clear sky, onestar, nightcloud, pinestar, millie, and mudclaw. the focus in fandom not on Meaning or Technique or Narrative Purpose but on if a character is “good” or not is. well it’s not good for analyzing fiction lawl Out of these characters I only like Bluestar, Pinestar, and Millie... but I am not saying that the others aren’t good characters. They are dynamic and honestly some of the best written, but a few just rub me the wrong way. They are good characters but not good cats in my opinion.
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 24, 2021 17:56:41 GMT -5
I had to stop myself from rolling my eyes at the ending with Mudclaw in StarClan lmao.
But seriously, great book. James L. Barry is King
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 24, 2021 19:08:49 GMT -5
Regardless, to me cats will follow any leader because the code demands it, that's why we have Brokenstar for example. And it also shows later after Mudclaw dies, when even cats like Ashfoot, Onestar's own deputy, didn't like how he was stealing from other territories but still behaved like a doorstep when confronted over it by other clans. She clearly didn't approve, yet still went along with it, like the rest of the clan. Same thing happens later when Onestar attacks other clans, messes with borders, and even leaves one clan to die out. The only time we ever see other wise because the deputy and medicine cat have enough of Onestar's crap. And it's already noted that cats had issues with Onestar even if they did accept him as leader. The 13th code is a plague imo, but it's also why cats will continuously act like sheep in the eyes of StarClan and follow even incompetent furballs. At the end of the day, Mudclaw having moral conflicts to me will never be as bad as how Onestar turned out. Mudclaw at least showed guilt, hesitation, and inner contemplations while struggling with the things that were presented before him as a character. When has Onestar ever shown that until he finally got outed for not paying child support? Honestly, I find more interest in Mudclaw's morally gray character structure than Onestar's incompetent fall from grace. That's hardly a fair comparison when we don't get Onestar's inner perspective, unlike Mudclaw. Given Onestar's personality, I would be surprised if he didn't feel any moral compunctions over it. Give it a few years, when we get "Onestar's Regret" as a manga I'm sure we'll get all the regrets one could ever ask for. Anyway, cats don't need the 13th code to follow someone like a sheep. After all, Mudclaw completely ignored the code and ended up more of a sheep than anyone else as he jumped into the wolf's maw, haha. Well Vect I think it's a fine comparison. I don't really see how Onestar being gung ho about letting a clan succumb to sickness and death is anywhere near as bad as anything Mudclaw has done so far. You're saying give it a few years, yet that will always be a single possibility in a pool of many, thousands even. But at the end of the day, canonly? Onestar is still the one that became leader. Still stole from other territories on purpose, not just to survive, but to piss off ThunderClan. They invaded their camp, in the middle of the night, and tried to drive them from their homes, while also getting help from dear ol' RiverClan. And then, later ready to leave ShadowClan to die off from sickness that they had the cure to. Elders, kits, queens? Doesn't matter. As long as Rowanstar didn't take care of Onestar's problem, then they wouldn't get the herbs. Right? At the end of the day, you can say Mudclaw would have done this, or would have done that, and that's fine, but he didn't, and never will. But we can also say what Onestar did in the end. Everything, he did. Before, and after becoming leader, and the final moments of his life. And looking at that completely, I still believe that Mudclaw is the better choice. And so what if Mudclaw was manipulated, plenty of other leaders have been manipulated and they still turned out fine during their leadership. A leader can make mistakes, they don't have to be perfect, just competent, and Onestar was anything but that. He didn't choose to make mistakes either, he was a walking mistake on his own. And that's my opinion. Agree to disagree if you please, but I've already said my final thoughts before and I don't see them changing any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 21:47:36 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this! I have always loved Tornear, one of my first ever posts on here was about how I wished he had been chosen instead of Onewhisker. As for Mudclaw, I don't really care about his characterization, I only liked him because Onestar was so terrible, and he was Tornear's brother. I will say one thing though, he and Scorchfur would be besties.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 21:54:02 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this! I have always loved Tornear, one of my first ever posts on here was about how I wished he had been chosen instead of Onewhisker. As for Mudclaw, I don't really care about his characterization, I only liked him because Onestar was so terrible, and he was Tornear's brother. I will say one thing though, he and Scorchfur would be besties. On the plus side, this proves Tornear would have been a good leader Imagine Tornstar with Ashfoot deputy Or Ashstar with Tornear deputy
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 21:57:10 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this! I have always loved Tornear, one of my first ever posts on here was about how I wished he had been chosen instead of Onewhisker. As for Mudclaw, I don't really care about his characterization, I only liked him because Onestar was so terrible, and he was Tornear's brother. I will say one thing though, he and Scorchfur would be besties. On the plus side, this proves Tornear would have been a good leader Imagine Tornstar with Ashfoot deputy Or Ashstar with Tornear deputy Yess it would have been so perfect! It would have been a bit funny too, since Tornear is Mudclaw's brother and Ashfoot is Onestar's sister.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 24, 2021 23:52:45 GMT -5
On the plus side, this proves Tornear would have been a good leader Imagine Tornstar with Ashfoot deputy Or Ashstar with Tornear deputy Yess it would have been so perfect! It would have been a bit funny too, since Tornear is Mudclaw's brother and Ashfoot is Onestar's sister. When the siblings of the trash are actual cinnamon rolls They would have definitely been good for WindClan AND they would have kept the peace between clans. It's clear neither Tornear or Ashfoot are quick to fight for no reason
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Post by soaringwyvern on May 25, 2021 15:27:59 GMT -5
Thing is, and I am not defending the decision AT ALL, but from what we've seen of StarClan, it's full of fallible and biased cats. They put on this vision of awe and wisdom toward living cats, but as we've seen time and time again, the whole 'we are one Clan now' thing is kinda all talk. Save for a few instances, granted.
My theory/hc here, is that Tallstar actively fought to have Mudclaw accepted into StarClan. He was dumb in doing so, but I can see him truly feeling that HE was the one at fault here, not Mudclaw, due to how he handled things. Yes, the logic is flawed to the Dark Forest and back, but it's plausible. He appealed to the cats who have made similar mistakes in the name of their Clan. He likely assumed that once Mudclaw was in StarClan, he'd calm down and turn his attention back to helping WindClan rather than trying to hinder it. What else was Mudclaw, a cat so loyal to his Clan that it clouded his judgement and morals, going to do? Seize control and find his way to the living world? hahaha, that's silly.
Granted, this is all just wild speculation and headcanons. Not to mention the fact I am throwing this together at the last minute so there will definitely be flaws. I am NOT defending either cat here or how Mudclaw was written, simply speculating.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on May 26, 2021 2:02:40 GMT -5
agree haha
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on May 28, 2021 19:40:58 GMT -5
Mudclaw tells Hawkfrost to tell Brambleclaw how he came to him and offered help in return for the position of WC deputy, Hawkfrost tells Brambleclaw to not listen to him. Mudclaw calls him a liar and escapes Hawkfrost’s trap. He goes the opposite direction and questions why Hawkfrost would betray him like that. He then wonders what else Hawkfrost was lying about. In horror, he asks “StarClan...what have I done”. Lightning hits a tree on the island at the bottom which crashes on Mudclaw. He wakes up in StarClan. Tallstar approaches him and tells him he is so sorry. Tallstar tells Mudclaw he should have told him and prepared him but that when he finally knew for sure, it was too late and he had to tell Onewhisker before he died. Mudclaw sadly asks if it is then true, that he really asked Onewhisker to be deputy. He asks why he didn’t pick him, as he always tried to be the best deputy he could. Tallstar tells him he was an excellent deputy and would’ve made a powerful leader and never disappointed him but in the new territory WC needs a new kind of leader. Mudclaw realizes this is StarClan and asks why he is here if Onewhisker is the new leader as he attacked his leader and doesn’t belong here. Tallstar tells him what he did was wrong but believed he was acting in the best interest of his Clan. Mudclaw says he still doesn’t understand why he wasn’t the right kind of leader. Tallstar says that new dangers from outside are coming to trouble the Clans and that there must be peace between the Clans if they are to survive. Tallstar shows him how the tree that killed him will make a bridge to the island. Mudclaw says he now sees and understands. Tallstar says the tree is a legacy Mudclaw will leave behind to protect the Clans. Mudclaw says the tree that killed him while rebelling against his leader is hardly his legacy. If it protects the Clans, it’s not because of anything good I did. Tallstar says there is still another way to help WC. Tallstar shows him the Moonpool. He tells them they are not alone, more cats show up all around them. Mudclaw asks why Tallstar is showing this to him, Tallstar tells him to look straight ahead. He sees Onewhisker, who is getting his name and his lives. Onewhisker sticks his tongue in the water, wakes up in StarClan and sees Mudckaw there, surprised. Mudclaw gives him a life for determination. Mudclaw asks him to protect WC in the way he thinks is best. Mudclaw tells Onewhisker he is sorry for everything and hopes he can forgive him. Onewhisker says he is already forgiven and promises that he will do the best for their Clan. Mudclaw tells him he will watch over him, calling him Onestar and says that together the two of them will do their best to keep WC safe. Can we see the scene of Mudclaw in StarClan?
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