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Post by rosetherosey on Mar 26, 2021 17:01:58 GMT -5
What is the worst Warrior Cats Book? Why?
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 26, 2021 17:09:57 GMT -5
One of AVOS’s second half books. Just endless meandering and boring
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Post by Snowfire on Mar 26, 2021 17:40:30 GMT -5
SkyClan's Destiny, I'm not really a fan of it, and 2/3 of this book was hard to read through, it had this Slice-of-Life type of thing that I'm not much of a fan of. I found it interesting that it had two POVs but Stick's chapters were pretty useless to the plot, plus there wasn't really any huge plot either nothing much changed, it is pretty forgettable.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 17:48:51 GMT -5
- squirrelflights hope. an exercise in patience, literally painful to read with how annoying characters are. - spottedleafs heart. no comment. - outcast, sign of the moon, basically every tribe-centered book. - the last hope. incredibly underwhelming. - actually most of omen of the stars was boring as hell. idk why this wouldve been a good finale to the series.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Mar 26, 2021 17:51:54 GMT -5
There is only one book that is objectively bad and that is The Book That Shall Not Be Named involving a certain villain and young medicine cat.
Some books are pretty boring, but this book has genuinely dangerous messages in it.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 18:49:35 GMT -5
At least it addresses real life problems. The only problem with it is that it doesn't portray the danger well enough for the target audience *Cough cough* children* *Cough cough* to see.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 26, 2021 18:53:00 GMT -5
Pebbleshine's Kits was a pretty boring read.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 26, 2021 20:20:57 GMT -5
Spottedleaf's Heart - Undeniably the worst. The topic was already inappropriate for Warriors' target age group, and the book itself did very little to establish the central conflict as an inherently bad thing. They need to reprint this book with a preamble along the lines of "If you, the reader, relate to what Spottedleaf is going through, please tell a trusted adult ASAP". It won't make up for publishing it in the first place, but that would at least mitigate some of the harm it may have already done.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:03:37 GMT -5
Spottedleaf's Heart - Undeniably the worst. The topic was already inappropriate for Warriors' target age group, and the book itself did very little to establish the central conflict as an inherently bad thing. They need to reprint this book with a preamble along the lines of "If you, the reader, relate to what Spottedleaf is going through, please tell a trusted adult ASAP". It won't make up for publishing it in the first place, but that would at least mitigate some of the harm it may have already done. Yeah, I suppose this is fair.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:05:54 GMT -5
Also, Can we just talk about Mapleshades vengeance for a sec? I don't see why so many people defended her. She was self-absorbed and overall evil FROM THE START. Edit: Before her kits died and she went on a killing spree.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:12:20 GMT -5
Also, Can we just talk about Mapleshades vengeance for a sec? I don't see why so many people defended her. She was self-absorbed and overall evil FROM THE START. because even being self absorbed doesnt justify how her kits were exiled to die, she was literally assaulted in front of her children (who were then dehumanized by her assaulter), the tom who claimed to love her called her dead children “mistakes” over their corpses, didnt bother to learn their names, and she wasnt even allowed to bury them herself or given time to grieve before being kicked out of riverclan. mapleshades murders were bad, but considering her worst crime before that was having a mate from another clan (and appledusk hadnt even murdered birchface yet, so the intense thunderclan prejudice against him didnt exist yet) and lying about it (which, given how they reacted when they learned the truth... yeah, probably a wise move), its generally thought that the punishment was far disproportionate to the incident. her victims didnt deserve to be murdered, and her trying to kill a pregnant she-cat was horrible, but its possible to think shes a bad person and also feel pity for her.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:21:05 GMT -5
i stand by the idea that somebody can be a horrible person while still being pitiable. mapleshade being bad doesnt justify a single bit of what characters like oakstar and darkstar did and said.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:23:05 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I don't think you are taking the warrior code seriously enough. Forbidden romance is forbidden. it shouldn't happen.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:23:39 GMT -5
Oakstar banished her for a good reason.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:24:18 GMT -5
Fair enough, but I don't think you are taking the warrior code seriously enough. Forbidden romance is forbidden. it shouldn't happen. warrior code or not, oakstar literally exiled kits out into the wilderness to die because their parents got into a forbidden romance. darkstar refused to allow their mother to grieve over three dead children before also kicking her out.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:27:16 GMT -5
Im defending Oakstar not Darkstar. Darkstar was in the wrong. Wait did Mapleshade want the kit to come with her or stay in the clan I can't remember. That will be a matter that will sway my opinion.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:27:55 GMT -5
Im defending Oakstar not Darkstar. Darkstar was in the wrong. Wait did Mapleshade want the kit to come with her or stay in the clan I can remember. That will be a matter that will sway my opinion. oakstar exiled mapleshade and the kits. and even if he hadnt, frecklewish assaulted mapleshade in front of them and called them “things” so its pretty clear even if he hadnt, they wouldnt have been safe or happy in thunderclan.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2021 21:28:11 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm was really boring and the characters in Squirrelflight's Hope were either being really stupid or were just plain unlikable. Yellowfang's Secret used to beat SqH, but thinking about it more, the latter was more frustrating to read because of how much time we've spent with characters like Bramblestar and Squirrelflight over the years.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:30:10 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm was really boring and the characters in Squirrelflight's Hope were either being really stupid or were just plain unlikable. Yellowfang's Secret used to beat SqH, but thinking about it more, the latter was more frustrating to read because of how much time we've spent with characters like Bramblestar and Squirrelflight over the years. bramblestars storm was such a slog. minty was the only thing that kept me alive.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:32:15 GMT -5
Ooooooookkkkkkk. I digress. Oakstar did a bad-bad. Now lets talk about Appledusk, You said he was in the wrong. He's a horrible cheater, but I think that he deserves to be forgiven, He realised his mistakes and tried to make it up to his Clan, and I imagine he did feel grief over the kits deaths.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:32:59 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm was really boring and the characters in Squirrelflight's Hope were either being really stupid or were just plain unlikable. Yellowfang's Secret used to beat SqH, but thinking about it more, the latter was more frustrating to read because of how much time we've spent with characters like Bramblestar and Squirrelflight over the years. I agree on all points made.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2021 21:33:22 GMT -5
Also, Can we just talk about Mapleshades vengeance for a sec? I don't see why so many people defended her. She was self-absorbed and overall evil FROM THE START. because even being self absorbed doesnt justify how her kits were exiled to die, she was literally assaulted in front of her children (who were then dehumanized by her assaulter), the tom who claimed to love her called her dead children “mistakes” over their corpses, didnt bother to learn their names, and she wasnt even allowed to bury them herself or given time to grieve before being kicked out of riverclan. mapleshades murders were bad, but considering her worst crime before that was having a mate from another clan (and appledusk hadnt even murdered birchface yet, so the intense thunderclan prejudice against him didnt exist yet) and lying about it (which, given how they reacted when they learned the truth... yeah, probably a wise move), its generally thought that the punishment was far disproportionate to the incident. her victims didnt deserve to be murdered, and her trying to kill a pregnant she-cat was horrible, but its possible to think shes a bad person and also feel pity for her. Anyone who knows me will know I'm not a big fan of this novella, but I second this. There's a huge difference in feeling pity towards someone because of their past and condoning their actions. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I very much dislike Mapleshade, but no parent should have to outlive their own child.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:34:34 GMT -5
Also, Can we just talk about Mapleshades vengeance for a sec? I don't see why so many people defended her. She was self-absorbed and overall evil FROM THE START. because even being self absorbed doesnt justify how her kits were exiled to die, she was literally assaulted in front of her children (who were then dehumanized by her assaulter), the tom who claimed to love her called her dead children “mistakes” over their corpses, didnt bother to learn their names, and she wasnt even allowed to bury them herself or given time to grieve before being kicked out of riverclan. mapleshades murders were bad, but considering her worst crime before that was having a mate from another clan (and appledusk hadnt even murdered birchface yet, so the intense thunderclan prejudice against him didnt exist yet) and lying about it (which, given how they reacted when they learned the truth... yeah, probably a wise move), its generally thought that the punishment was far disproportionate to the incident. her victims didnt deserve to be murdered, and her trying to kill a pregnant she-cat was horrible, but its possible to think shes a bad person and also feel pity for her. Wait what assaulter
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 26, 2021 21:35:32 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm was really boring and the characters in Squirrelflight's Hope were either being really stupid or were just plain unlikable. Yellowfang's Secret used to beat SqH, but thinking about it more, the latter was more frustrating to read because of how much time we've spent with characters like Bramblestar and Squirrelflight over the years. bramblestars storm was such a slog. minty was the only thing that kept me alive. At least SqH has an actual plot. Granted, a frustrating plot, but a plot nonetheless. I agree about Minty, though. She and Daisy were easily the best parts of the SE for me.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:36:52 GMT -5
because even being self absorbed doesnt justify how her kits were exiled to die, she was literally assaulted in front of her children (who were then dehumanized by her assaulter), the tom who claimed to love her called her dead children “mistakes” over their corpses, didnt bother to learn their names, and she wasnt even allowed to bury them herself or given time to grieve before being kicked out of riverclan. mapleshades murders were bad, but considering her worst crime before that was having a mate from another clan (and appledusk hadnt even murdered birchface yet, so the intense thunderclan prejudice against him didnt exist yet) and lying about it (which, given how they reacted when they learned the truth... yeah, probably a wise move), its generally thought that the punishment was far disproportionate to the incident. her victims didnt deserve to be murdered, and her trying to kill a pregnant she-cat was horrible, but its possible to think shes a bad person and also feel pity for her. Anyone who knows me will know I'm not a big fan of this novella, but I second this. There's a huge difference in feeling pity towards someone because of their past and condoning their actions. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I very much dislike Mapleshade, no parent should have to outlive their own child. I was trying to analyse and defend Characters like Oakstar and Appledusk. (Partly because I'm biased towards Mapleshade, but also because I do believe that they may not be completely in the wrong here.)
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:38:57 GMT -5
because even being self absorbed doesnt justify how her kits were exiled to die, she was literally assaulted in front of her children (who were then dehumanized by her assaulter), the tom who claimed to love her called her dead children “mistakes” over their corpses, didnt bother to learn their names, and she wasnt even allowed to bury them herself or given time to grieve before being kicked out of riverclan. mapleshades murders were bad, but considering her worst crime before that was having a mate from another clan (and appledusk hadnt even murdered birchface yet, so the intense thunderclan prejudice against him didnt exist yet) and lying about it (which, given how they reacted when they learned the truth... yeah, probably a wise move), its generally thought that the punishment was far disproportionate to the incident. her victims didnt deserve to be murdered, and her trying to kill a pregnant she-cat was horrible, but its possible to think shes a bad person and also feel pity for her. Wait what assaulter frecklewish attacked mapleshade in front of her kits when their parentage was revealed and had to be literally pulled off of her.
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Post by cable on Mar 26, 2021 21:40:46 GMT -5
Ooooooookkkkkkk. I digress. Oakstar did a bad-bad. Now lets talk about Appledusk, You said he was in the wrong. He's a horrible cheater, but I think that he deserves to be forgiven, He realised his mistakes and tried to make it up to his Clan, and I imagine he did feel grief over the kits deaths. cheating is bad, calling your dead children “mistakes” before theyre even in the ground is horrifically cruel, and he never showed a hint of grief or even bothered to learn their names
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:41:51 GMT -5
frecklewish attacked mapleshade in front of her kits when their parentage was revealed and had to be literally pulled off of her. Ah, I mean I'm a little torn on this one. She (Frecklewish) may have overreacted to the truth, but she was deep in grief and loss for her brother, and she had every right as she was lied to in a very major way.
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Post by Matfish on Mar 26, 2021 21:43:09 GMT -5
Ooooooookkkkkkk. I digress. Oakstar did a bad-bad. Now lets talk about Appledusk, You said he was in the wrong. He's a horrible cheater, but I think that he deserves to be forgiven, He realised his mistakes and tried to make it up to his Clan, and I imagine he did feel grief over the kits deaths. cheating is bad, calling your dead children “mistakes” before theyre even in the ground is horrifically cruel, and he never showed a hint of grief or even bothered to learn their namesI imagine that was a defensive and self-preserving tactic to try and get over it as soon as possible.
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