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Post by Pineclaw on Mar 31, 2022 16:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds good! Bonus points if he actually remembers some of the advice he got from Keres and Akakios during their time as spies and puts it to use. Would be fun if some of the skills they taught him end up being used to help the surface dwellers.
Also, here's some stuff with our knights and their least favorite people:
Ambrose: Jasmine, don’t you have something you want to say to Megumi? Jasmine: Yeah, but then you’d make me apologize for that too.
Néo: Today's Sunday. Sunday is the day I always put something weird in Jasmine's food. This rubber snake should do the trick. (later) Jasmine: Néo, there appears to be a rubber snake in my salad. Is today Sunday? Néo: ...Boy, are we in a rut.
Ambrose: Okay, we have to get rid of that "No Swearing for Knights" rule. Immediately. Captain: And why would we do that, Ambrose? Farvald in the background: Well, this really butters my croissants. Jasmine, also in the background: really toasts my bagels.
Rieka and Tahvo, singing as Ambrose walks in: Here he is, the Biggest Douche of the Universe! In all the galaxies, there’s no bigger douche than you! You’ve reached the top, the pinnacle of douchedom! Good going, douche. Your dreams have come true!
Jasmine: Hey! Watch where you're jumping around, rabbit! You almost kicked me in the face! Megumi: I know. I can't believe I missed!
Ambrose: What did you two do? Megumi: Jasmine: Ambrose: You’re not in trouble, I just need to know if I have to lie to Lady Hera again or not.
Ambrose: What are you two arguing about this time? Jasmine: He's always using common phrases incorrectly! Néo: Cry me a table, Jasmine.
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 1, 2022 11:34:19 GMT -5
XD ah got to love them interacting with the ones they hate
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 1, 2022 14:19:40 GMT -5
And it's not like they have much of a choice, especially if the knights are tasked with joining the students for some of the missions. Ambrose having to fight alongside the Lions or Deer and Jasmine having to help out the Eagles sometimes will definitely be fun. Or even worse: "Ambrose, could you train with Rieka and/or Tahvo later?" Or "Jasmine, would you work at the stables with Néo today?"
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 2, 2022 16:56:48 GMT -5
Deer shenanigans
Julius: So I got banned from practicing magic for life because I am apparently a “liability” and “reckless” and “Julius”. Julius: That last one is just my name, but you should hear Searc's tone. Tahvo: I'm a hopeless bromantic. Rekka: Um what? Tahvo: Like, high five me in the rain, fist bump me gently when the sun sets. Rekka: Estelle won’t come out of her room! Neason: Just tell her I said something. Rekka: Like what? Neason: Anything factually incorrect. Rekka, shrugging: If you say so. Estelle, arriving moments later: Did you just say the sun is a PLANET?
Callan: You want to teach me how to fight? Searc: No, I know you know how to fight. I want to teach you how to fight and not die.
Philomel: Where’s Neason? Tahvo: Doing stuff. Philomel: I don’t like the sound of that. Where’s Searc? Tahvo: Trying to stop Neason from doing the stuff. Philomel: And Julius? Tahvo: Trying to stop Searc from stopping Neason from doing the stuff. Philomel: I see. And what are you doing here, Tahvo? Tahvo: I’m supposed to stop you from stopping Julius from stopping Searc from stopping Neason from doing the stuff.
Searc: And Neason dragged you two into this nonsense? Callan: Literally. Julius: I volunteered.
Unsupervised Eagles
Silke: Just know that this pro and con list is going to be a waste of time! The end result is going to be, "Damn, this plan is awesome, that list was pointless. I wasted all that paper and ink for nothing. Sorry, trees. Sorry, squids." Vincent: Vincent: Is--Is that where you think we get ink? From squids? Silke: Silke: No.
Vincent: Physically, yes, I could fight a bird. Vincent: But emotionally? Imagine the toll.
Orryn: Sure, I may not get a "healthy amount" of sleep like SOME people, but can they do THIS? Orryn: *stands up and immediately passes out*
Vincent: I suppose you could say I'm a chicken magnet Grimm: Don't you mean a chick magnet--? *distant clucking sounds* Vincent: We need to leave NOW.
Adora: Megumi, do you think we can play the roles of arrogant Taguel? Megumi: It will certainly require good acting skills to imbue the fundamentally humble and dispassionate Taguel character with a taint of arrogance. Nora: Yeah. Humble is the very first word that comes to mind when I think “Taguel”
Mewling cubs
Pierce: You are the scum of the earth. You absolutely disgust me. How dare you even come within ten feet of me, you animal. Larissa: I just asked if you wanted pineapple on your pizza!
Jason: What the bleep! Agnar: ...Did you just bleep yourself? Jason: What I was thinking really needed to be censored! Agnar: Try me. Jason: *whispers in his ear* Agnar: Agnar: I don't know how to tell you this, but 'heck' is not a swear word.
Fion: Pierce was running like you’d pulled a knife on him! What the hell did you say? Luca: I love you.
Luca: I've got a question. Konstantin: Yes? Luca: If one ruler is a monarchy, and two rulers is a diarchy, what do you call six rulers? Konstantin: Well, that would be a, uh, sexarchy, but I don't think-- Luca: *smirks* Agnar: *covering Jason's ears* Larissa: HA! You said sex! Fion: *facepalms* Konstantin: And that's why we're not calling it that.
And other stuff
Yutaka: When Freud said bisexuality is what happens when you don't fully develop a brain he was right and I'm proof. Silke: Freud is a little bitch. My idiocy doesn’t have nothing to do with bisexuality and all to do with my own hubris.
Luca: You look like my first boyfriend. Alastair: Oh, you've had one before? Luca: I haven't. Alastair: *awkward sputtering*
Luca, to Megumi: If being hot was a crime, you'd be serving a life sentence. Jasmine: A life sentence? For a crime she didn't even commit?
Megumi: Look, you and I both want the same thing. So I guess that means we're gonna have to work-- Megumi, grimacing, visibly disgusted: --near each other. Jasmine: Jasmine: You mean together? Megumi: Don't make it worse than it already is!
Amatus: Congratulations. The three of you have just won gold, silver, and bronze in the Moron Olympics. Neason: Silke: Néo: Silke: Who won gold?
Larissa: Silke, it’s time to stop treating me like a child. Larissa: *picks up a chicken nugget in the shape of a dinosaur* And it’s also time you stopped feeding me dinosaur shaped chicken! Silke: But you love dino chicken. Larissa: Yeah! When I was a kid! I’m pretty much an adult now! Tell her, Néo! Néo: *playing with his dino nuggets* RAWR RAWR RAWR RAWR
Pierce: Dad, am I adopted? Lord Einar: No, you’re Pierce. Why would anyone name you “Adopted?" Even if I wanted to, your name was already Pierce when I adopted you.
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 4, 2022 11:13:49 GMT -5
i just love Agnar being the sole person trying to keep Jason innocent, and all the others are like 'lets corrupt the sheltered child!"
and XD great way for Pierce to learn of his adoption status, through a dad joke
imagine him doing that during a mission, orryn just passing out on the battle field before taking a potion, and the enemy is just "??? is he okay???" and the students are just "yea hes fine, happens all the time"
but whos going to stop tahvo??
yesss more of alastair and luca XD
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Apr 4, 2022 19:47:09 GMT -5
LWSKjlskdjkdjkj I will literally never get tired of the meme posts
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 5, 2022 12:44:29 GMT -5
same, they re always a good laugh to see
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 5, 2022 14:23:40 GMT -5
Haha, I'm just surprised I still find ones we haven't used yet!
Yup, the Lions either want to corrupt Jason or they just don't care. Imagine Pierce actually finding out that way when we do his mission xD And yeah, the Eagles are totally used to Orryn doing this but the enemy is just super confused. Huh. Good question. Probably Estelle. She failed to stop him though because Rekka and Callan dragged her off to the stables to spend some time with the pegasi and wyverns. Luca and Alastair is our OTP, at least when it comes to our incorrect quotes!
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 5, 2022 14:50:23 GMT -5
mood
and agnar is the only one in the house that is trying to prevent, though keres probably also helps omg yesss, maybe after learning about his heritage maybe his dad spills the tea that hey im not your brother im your dad, and after the mission he asks his 'father'/grandpa and just finds yeeep you are adopted, surprise happy birthday, take these knives now naw callan and rekka were just inchqrge of stopping estelle from stopping tahvo from stopping philomel from stopping julius from stopping searc from stopping neason from doing the stuff they really are the incorrect quotes otp
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 5, 2022 16:06:57 GMT -5
Yeah, Keres will probably try to protect him from stuff like that too. Too bad she's not in the Lions, so in class and on missions Agnar will be on his own. Haha, worst birthday ever! Oh well, maybe his classmates will bake him a cake. As long as Konstantin doesn't help them it might even turn out good! "That's my gift to you, kid: The guarantee that this cake won't explode." Yup, it's all part of their plan. And I guess Ciarra was supposed to stop Callan and Rekka from stopping Estelle from stopping Tahvo from stopping Philomel from stopping Julius from stopping Searc from stopping Neason but unfortunately couldn't be bothered.
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 5, 2022 19:28:08 GMT -5
yeeeep, rip agnar haha best birthday ever, find out you are adopted, find out the brother you were conditioned to hate is actually your dad, get the family relics, get a cake jasmine probably stopped her from stopping callan/rekka from stopping estelle from stopping tahvo from stopping philomel from stopping julius from stopping searc from stopping neason from doing the stuff
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 7, 2022 17:28:42 GMT -5
Hey, it's probably a really good cake so it totally outweighs all the bad stuff! And he also gets the family relic so what is there for him to be upset about? Aside from finding out that he's kind of been living a lie, ya know xD Unless she got distracted by her inability to not antagonize a certain taguel student. So yeah, I guess there's a chance that Megumi is (unknowingly) stopping Jasmine from stopping Ciarra from stopping Rekka and Callan from stopping Estelle from stopping Tahvo from stopping Philomel from stopping Julius from stopping Searc from stopping Neason from doing the stuff.
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 7, 2022 17:45:42 GMT -5
cake + family relic + finding out a giant family secret = a happy birthday
i guess adora then would be in charge of stopping megumi from unknowingly stopping jasmine from stopping ciarra from stopping callan and rekka from stopping estelle from stopping tahvo from stopping philomel from stopping julius from stopping searc from stopping neason from doing the stuff
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 9, 2022 11:23:34 GMT -5
Yup! Cake = Good. Family Relic = Kinda good. Giant family secret = Bad. End result = mostly good!
Well, Adora might be hanging out with Nora again. So I guess now we have Nora stopping Adora from stopping Megumi from unknowingly stopping Jasmine from stopping Ciarra from stopping Callan and Rekka from stopping Estelle from stopping Tahvo from stopping Philomel from stopping Julius from stopping Searc from stopping Neason from doing the stuff. I swear, at some point the whole monastery will be involved and all because of Neason.
Anyway, is there anything that can serve as a small subplot for the first month? Since we have to put the Occult Club stuff on hold? I know you offered Ambrose as one of the characters who get to deal with the new subplot and that you, Spark and I could use two characters each. And I guess, once we skip to the next day, you'll also have to decide who Elara gets to interact with so she can befriend someone outside her house. Can't offer Tahvo (or Larissa if Elara can deal with her) though since we said that the students who're running late will show up during the next month.
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 9, 2022 12:23:44 GMT -5
Save me work is so boring Yep!! Happy birthday Pierce enjoy all that
XD yep and even with the whole monastery they still failed to stop Neason
Hmm maybe we could do like one of the mercher quests, like monsters or bandits just attacking a travel route, and the subplot is just the few characters we use for that could just be sent to deal with the bandits?? And yea I'll have to figure out how Elara would be able handle talking to from the other houses 🤔
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 9, 2022 12:54:29 GMT -5
Oh no. That bad?Even if the agarthans joined in they'd still fail to stop Neason. Yeah, that could work. A little early to let them fight monsters but a weaker group of bandits? They can handle them. Not dangerous enough to send a bunch of knights but the church will still send Ambrose to ensure nothing goes wrong. Can't leave five kids unsupervised, after all.
"My mom is calling... hi mom."Vincent, Agnar - "Come on guys, stop, they're trying to talk to their mom" Larissa, Julius, Akakios - *loud fake sexual noises* Néo - "EVERYONE SHUT THE HELL UP!" Jasmine - *is asleep* Konstantin, Tahvo, Callan, Nora - *gets really close to the phone* "Tell her I say hi." During class photosNéo - pointing middle finger Julius, Tahvo, Larissa, Jasmine - funny gestures - done with life Callan - sneezes or closes eyes Vincent, Nora - neat looking Agnar, Konstantin, Akakios - "Do I HAVE to be here?"
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 9, 2022 19:08:00 GMT -5
it was had a karen yell at me for a bit because we dont carry the brand of shampoo she uses, and it slike ma'am?? we are a grocery store???
yeeep, only way to stop him, bring Desai in, then he falls in line real quick
yea bandits sounds good
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 10, 2022 4:56:48 GMT -5
Ugh. Those people are the worst. It really sucks that you just have to tolerate that shit. I just wish you could treat them the same way without facing any repercussions, they honestly deserve it.
Well, no one wants to be near Desai so they definitely won't bring him in. Unless they get to pelt him with rotten eggs and tomatoes.
Okay, cool. So I guess there's a small group of bandits not too far from the monastery or town, causing trouble by attacking the merchants who're using this route? And Hera or the captain of the knights is like "well, this is troublesome but we won't dispatch a bunch of knights for it either. Ambrose, get some of the students and deal with this" or something xD
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 10, 2022 20:40:44 GMT -5
Yeeep, but thankfully I didn't have to deal with her for long since I saw the assistant to the assistant store manager, basically what he is although he doesn't have the title, walking by and called him over then booked it for it be to his problem xD
They lure him in with false pretense, when in reality it is to just throw things at him, the dummy with the picture on it in the training grounds isn't cutting it anymore
Yep, could chalk it up to Schuyler choosing students to try get a read on them and see what they are capable of type of thing
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 11, 2022 7:42:52 GMT -5
Oh well, better him than you xD
Yeah. All of this was part of their masterplan.
Oh, that sounds good. Definitely makes sense for him. And I guess he'll also pay attention to them whenever the knights have to go on a mission with one of the three classes. Since it's the beginning of the year, does he already have an eye on some people? Or is he like "I'll just pick some random kids and see what they're capable of."?
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 11, 2022 10:42:53 GMT -5
yeeep XD
def, just a lie to get him there to throw expired food at him
since beginning of the year, i'll have it be a 'lets just pick random kids and see what happens' and then as the year progresses he focuses on certain kids from what hes seen/whats been gathered by the other spies
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 11, 2022 13:18:36 GMT -5
I just love how everyone hates Desai! Yeah, that would work. Makes the battle against the Agarthans at the end of the year more difficult since they know how the knights and students fight. As for the little quest with the small group of bandits, I guess we won't pick Julius and Jason since they're spies too and Schuyler only wants to focus on the actual students. Still leaves a lot of characters to choose from. 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 , which two of your OCs would be up for a round of bandit-bashing?
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Apr 11, 2022 13:38:55 GMT -5
I think anyone but Luca would be more than willing haha. Silke 100% would love to, but if it's to get a read on the students and their abilities she might not be the first one chosen since her skills are already pretty well known. What do you guys think?
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 11, 2022 13:54:26 GMT -5
Also depends on whether Silke even wants to deal with those weak bandits xD But would Megumi even want to join the group? If not then Silke would be the better choice. And while Silke might be known for her skill Ambrose/Schuyler doesn't know how well she works in a group, right?
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 11, 2022 14:52:12 GMT -5
its desai, he was created to be hated, do i need to get his list of things that made him father of the year?
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Apr 11, 2022 18:00:46 GMT -5
I think Megumi would probably be willing to join, since she gets to beat up some humans without getting the guards called on her kadjfkajdfakj
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 12, 2022 6:54:37 GMT -5
No need, I know why everyone hates him, Ember xD
Haha, good point, Spark. She might be a bit uncooperative though as she'll have to fight alongside humans. Or not. But I like her being difficult xD Unfortunately for her I won't pick Néo because he's no student and while he's strong he's not very skilled yet. Even if he was asked to join he'd refuse because he doesn't want to embarrass himself in front of humans. And I can't pick Tahvo either since he and Larissa (and maybe some nameless npc students) aren't even at Garreg Mach yet xD So no beastkin from me to add to the team. As for who I will pick I haven't fully decided yet. But if Rekka goes then Callan will join as well. Not sure who'll my second character will be.
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Post by 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚜𝚌𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 on Apr 12, 2022 8:36:24 GMT -5
If we need a support character I am more than happy to drag along Luca, he'll make it interesting if nothing else ladkjfakdjf But if not, I'll bring Rekka and Megumi. Beastkin squad lol
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Post by Ember34 on Apr 12, 2022 9:30:50 GMT -5
XD ight
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Post by Pineclaw on Apr 12, 2022 10:02:50 GMT -5
Yeah, bringing him along would definitely be fun! "Luca, stop hitting on the bandit leader. He's way out of your league anyway." But the two beastkin would be good too. Especially if Megumi is horrified or disgusted by Rekka being best buddies with humans xD
Any idea who you'll throw in, Ember? Aside from Ambrose the chaperone, I mean.
If I pick Callan I will either drag Vincent or Agnar into this as well so I'll bring in one mage and one physical fighter.
Oh, and since you brought up Luca, any ideas for when you want to do his paralogue, Spark? Since everyone with a crest gets either a paralogue or a mission. I already chose the months for my characters and Ember suggested one for one of hers. But don't let that influence you too much, we can do multiple paralogues in one month.
Great Tree Moon Main Mission: Mock Battle (All Houses) Normal Sidequests: Beating up bandits
Paralogues: Probably none. Harpstring MoonMain Mission: Grimm (Black Eagles) Missions for the other Houses: killing bandits I guess. Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Garland MoonMain Mission: Neason (Golden Deer) Missions for the other Houses: Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Blue Sea MoonMain Mission: fending off assassins during The Rite of Rebirth (All Houses and Knights) Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Nora, Verdant Rain MoonMain Mission: Investigation into Disappearances (All Houses and Knights) Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Horsebow MoonMain Mission: Vincent (Black Eagles) Missions for the other Houses: Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Wyvern MoonMain Mission: The Battle of The Eagle and Lion (All Houses) Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Elara, Red Wolf MoonMain Mission: Pierce (Blue Lions) Missions for the other Houses: Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Agnar, Ethereal MoonMain Mission: Maybe an investigation because people think Ambrose is suspicious? (Golden Deer) Missions for the other Houses: The Lions and Eagles could look into some other stuff I guess? Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Guardian MoonMain Mission: Silke (Black Eagles) Missions for the other Houses: Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Pegasus MoonMain Mission: Ciarra (Golden Deer) Missions for the other Houses: Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Tahvo, Lone MoonMain Mission: That's where we do the big reveal, right? Normal Sidequests:
Paralogues: Probably none
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