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Post by Sand on Nov 3, 2021 10:51:08 GMT -5
rabbit - I wouldn't consider it an overreaction, the report button exists for a reason. As does my PM box. Whatever it is, I can make sure people use spoilers (no matter how small or big) instead of leaving them uncovered.
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Nov 3, 2021 14:16:20 GMT -5
So I was gaming today and, due to a glitch, I lost literally everything. Thankfully it was a new save, but like, that has lead to a waste of a day... (Up until this point I was just lying in bed.) That aside, once again, my mother was super helpful. She walked by, saw that I was glum, and looked at me as if she was disgusted by me and said, "It's just a game, get over it. There's more to life than that." She says the same thing whenever I lose a game save, if a painting I'm working on gets ruined, if a book I'm reading gets ruined, whatever the situation. But according to her, her paintings and drawings (which she doesn't make any money off of) are valuable because she says so. Oh, but my passions aren't. I bet you if I was painting and she was painting at the same time, and someone knocked over my painting and it was ruined, she would groan that it was "just a painting" and that it means nothing, but if the same happened to hers, she would be in the same glum mood I would have been. Empathy? Nah, none... Little else grinds my gears more than deeming other people's hobbies "a waste of time" while their own are "actually meaningful", or even criticizing others on the same hobbies that they have, but claiming that theirs are worth more because it's their own and not the other person's.
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Nov 5, 2021 16:08:40 GMT -5
My mother keeps on talking to herself about how she wants my kitten to be sent back to the animal shelter because she is "too stressful on her". Like mom, you haven't seen her in almost a week, and the most amount you do see her is for no more than 5 minutes at a time, and yet you're going on like you have to babysit her 24/7. Where's the stress?
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StarClan leader
Name Colour
Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 5, 2021 21:17:59 GMT -5
So I was gaming today and, due to a glitch, I lost literally everything. Thankfully it was a new save, but like, that has lead to a waste of a day... (Up until this point I was just lying in bed.) That aside, once again, my mother was super helpful. She walked by, saw that I was glum, and looked at me as if she was disgusted by me and said, "It's just a game, get over it. There's more to life than that." She says the same thing whenever I lose a game save, if a painting I'm working on gets ruined, if a book I'm reading gets ruined, whatever the situation. But according to her, her paintings and drawings (which she doesn't make any money off of) are valuable because she says so. Oh, but my passions aren't. I bet you if I was painting and she was painting at the same time, and someone knocked over my painting and it was ruined, she would groan that it was "just a painting" and that it means nothing, but if the same happened to hers, she would be in the same glum mood I would have been. Empathy? Nah, none... Little else grinds my gears more than deeming other people's hobbies "a waste of time" while their own are "actually meaningful", or even criticizing others on the same hobbies that they have, but claiming that theirs are worth more because it's their own and not the other person's. I can understand this.
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Post by Sand on Nov 10, 2021 17:46:27 GMT -5
I. have. a. mock. interview. for. my. final. in. two. weeks. at the same time I have a UX/UI final + a Bootstrap final. All in the same week. I don't get extra time for the mock interview, which is not fine, but... I'd like to not freak out right now.
I have no clue what "creative" I admire... Also, don't know what my design and creative style are. I just don't like knowing who I am as a designer. I've found this class to be frustrating because it's centered around graphic design which isn't my major. I'm a web design major... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Katanaheart on Nov 10, 2021 22:19:59 GMT -5
When your mother threatens to cut off all financial support, including paying for college and other bills. Because you stayed over five days by your partner’s place. And if you want to be grown, you should move in with them. And lose all financial support in the process because that is what being grown means.
Especially since, I can’t work neurotypical jobs due to my disability, so I have zero way to make money or actually support myself without parental aid.
So I have impulsively decided to break up with my partner of two and a half years so I have less reason to go over there and spend too many days there. (Even when their presence is actively beneficial to my work ethic but screw that, apparently.)
Also my dad apparently shares my mom’s feelings on the matter of me being over there too much and May also be mad at me. And apparently all three of us will be having some form of talk whenever Thanksgiving Break occurs.
Mom also going on about how: He doesn’t drive, he has no job, he has no direction in life, etc. (They can’t drive because they suffer Complex PTSD related to a car wreck, they are trying to focus on their education at the moment, hence no job rn, and they’re still trying to figure out what they want to do, which they have time for.)
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Post by Tealraven on Nov 21, 2021 16:58:33 GMT -5
PMDD can go deep throat a cactus
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Nov 24, 2021 3:20:21 GMT -5
I have a vision for what I want my bedroom/gaming room to look like, but I simply don't have the money nor the space to achieve it.
I live in a converted garage. It looks decent, but it has no windows, and the space isn't exactly the greatest, nor is the layout. On one side of my room are four separate doors - two lead to a crawlspace, one is up a flight of stairs that leads to the second floor of the house next to the front door, and one that leads to the other half of the garage that is divided from my half by a wall. Basically, deco wise, that side of my room is useless and I've had to cover the door leading to the garage and the flight of stairs with two separate red curtains.
On the opposite side of my room is a massive control panel adjacent to my bed. Also, every single socket is located on that side of the room, so to hide the switches, buttons, and the mess of cords I've had to invest in another curtain.
My room is about 40 feet lengthwise and about half of that in its width. It isn't exactly the largest space to work with, and half of it is compromised.
Regardless if I paint the room, change all of the décor and the furniture, etc., it'll still largely look the same. I suppose I'll just have to save up money and hope that one day I get a bigger space to work with and I can immediately invest in all new furniture, paint options, the whole shebang.
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Post by Tealraven on Nov 29, 2021 21:48:46 GMT -5
WHY AM I SO BAD AT COMMUNICATING. I feel like I’m making mistakes but I don’t even know what my mistakes are. I’m failing at social cues when I don’t even see them. I’m worried that I keep accidentally saying the wrong thing and upsetting people and I don’t know why what I said was incorrect. No matter how carefully I choose my words, it seems like people never understand what I’m trying to say. I’m sorry. I promise I don’t mean it.
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Nov 30, 2021 21:28:13 GMT -5
It sucks, being a part of an amazing group (a Discord group I'm a part of), but never quite fitting in. Their optimism and their shenanigans help contribute positively to my well-being, but I really don't feel like I contribute back in any meaningful way. There's also still a negative side of me that has never truly left me, and that I may carry for the rest of my life. I'm probably going to leave this group (and WCRP as well) and strike it out on my own socially, but I don't know if telling anyone would cause drama, or if it would better (or worse) to leave without a word.
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Nov 30, 2021 21:28:43 GMT -5
WHY AM I SO BAD AT COMMUNICATING. I feel like I’m making mistakes but I don’t even know what my mistakes are. I’m failing at social cues when I don’t even see them. I’m worried that I keep accidentally saying the wrong thing and upsetting people and I don’t know why what I said was incorrect. No matter how carefully I choose my words, it seems like people never understand what I’m trying to say. I’m sorry. I promise I don’t mean it. I'm exactly the same way...
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Dec 1, 2021 14:07:15 GMT -5
Even when I put effort into my work and make sure I have everything turned in on time my Spanish grade still doesn't get any better. It's so frustrating.
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Post by Aqua on Dec 2, 2021 9:49:07 GMT -5
I think I'm just overthinking a lot of things lately and it's just been stressing me out. I just want to get paid and get a cabin lol.
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Aroace
#b6efff
Name Colour
Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ
Villain Enjoyer
Arcane Season 2 has got me in a chokehold once again (do not send help)
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Dec 2, 2021 13:46:54 GMT -5
I'm so freaking mad (and at the same time sad right now). I had a mental breakdown last Friday (26th of November) which let itself out after being unproductive and unmotivated to do anything all day long (thus feeling like shit) when my laptop/notebook of ten years crashed for the final time during the evening. My mom consoled me and stayed calm while taking care to order a new one next day while my dad just asked why I was apparently "losing my mind yet again". My mother in turn was feeling awful today after a very stressful shift at work and started having a migraine in the afternoon (it's evening where I am now). She told my dad and he still managed to get upset about something trivial yet again ("the dishwasher not getting stacked with dishes by my mom the way he wanted it/usually did it") and barging into the bathroom while she was in the middle of taking a bath to calm herself and ease some of the pain. He threw his temper tantrum at her and then slammed the door that even I could hear it all the way to my room without even giving her a chance to reply. She just went off on him in the living room and is now crying in the kitchen with her migraine (which runs in her family/is genetic as I have those frequently as well). I tried consoling her after hearing them argue but she wants to be left alone at the moment.
I remember our family dynamic and my parents relationship being this way ever since I was a small child. The fact that my father is so without any empathy even after all these years of living together and knowing what my mother needs when she is in pain (which is a calm enviroment) truly baffles and upsets me. Not to mention the fact that I clearly have these anger issues from him and he still thinks it's fine to act the way he does but when I do it he calls me insane. I don't want to be like this. I don't want to be like him. And I don't want to keep on seeing my parents be in a relationship. But that has been my wish since childhood and they are still together.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Dec 2, 2021 18:44:28 GMT -5
I have to memorize something for theatre class and I have so much work to do I don't know how I will finish on time
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Heterosexual
Epic Grandmaster of Headcanons
ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚
Message me your headcanons pls
Pronouns: He/him/his (but they's good too)
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Post by ˈʔɛɱb̪ɻ̩f̞ʊt̠̚ on Dec 7, 2021 16:54:19 GMT -5
my crush that ive liked for four and a half ish years just rejected me.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 7, 2021 17:46:18 GMT -5
My Mother and Father are finally getting all legal paperwork together to start the process of getting a divorce(seriously should of happened years ago). My mother has suffered from chronic anorexia nervosa for the past 35+ years, and has basically intentionally starved herself to were she’s disabled, and entirely dependent on other people for everything, which has put tremendous strain on not my father, but the rest of the family as well, since she’s very vindictive and extremely demanding, and acts like the world revolves around her needs and wants, and that she should always be top priority, and she’s refused all the help the doctors/physical therapists/dietician/nutritionist you name it, have offered her and various types of medical advice over the years to try to get her better. And she’s even been offered to be taken to an Assisted living home for people like her, that would be fully paid for by Medicare, and has adamantly denied going and has stated she’d rather die then go, which to me is very selfish, as she knows it would take a lot of stress and anxiety off the rest of the family, especially my Dad since he would no longer have to take care of her day and night, which has really worn him down over the years, to where he’s extremely irritable and stubborn, and doesn’t ever have time or motivation to ever want to anything as a family anymore from being too tired from having to work and then take care of her all the time. Thankfully they are now getting separated from each other, because it’s been nothing but toxicity for both of them. But my mother is demanding half the assets, and is forcing my father to sell the House in order to give her Half the money, that she never lifted a Finger to contribute to earning for anything that they had, and is money she’ll undoubtedly never even use, since after the divorce she’s just gonna be sitting in a wheelchair in an assisted living home unable to go anywhere, or do anything with it. And with the government, plus her SSI paying for the Home, there’s really no reason for her to have the money that I can see, except that’s she’s spiteful and selfish and feels entitled to it somehow, and just wants to hurt my dad for divorcing her and finally having enough of her self-loathing and negativity. The lawyer and her Doctors have stated on numerous occasions that the best outcome would be for her to just die in her sleep, and admittedly there’s been plenty of times I wished she just didn’t wake up the next morning, so has the rest of the family. And I do feel guilt for feeling that way at times, but It would be a huge relief for everyone, and she’d also be liberated from her suffering, that quite frankly, she’s largely brought upon herself, but still.
A little dark and morbid, but I needed to vent somewhere.
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Post by Tealraven on Dec 10, 2021 12:56:28 GMT -5
I’m beginning to wonder if I have a problem with over sharing. Not in terms of personal information, but like. Info dumping. Being too open? Idk. Maybe I get too comfortable with people I don’t know that well too soon and that’s off putting to them.
On the other hand, I don’t want to seem quiet and closed off, because that can push others away too. I was like that in middle school and most of high school and it was awful.
So where’s the line? How can I love socializing and meeting new people when I’m so bad at it?? I just need more practice, but that’s hard to do during the pandemic. I wish it was easier to make new friends... :/
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 10, 2021 18:27:20 GMT -5
people stop using "advent" for secular purposes challenge
seeing corporations sell christmas countdown calendars as "advent calendars" makes me grind my teeth into dust. advent is a liturgical term of precisely religious meaning and importance, and im sick of seeing it relegated to a cutesy chocolate dispenser for microdosing christmas to the point where 90% of consumers don't event know what Advent actually refers to. literally a prime example of legitimate religious appropriation.
also the stupid secular renditions of the "twelve days of christmas" can eat my ass. the original song lyrics had very intrinsic religious meaning that was representative of christian theological tradition in reference to the actual twelve days of christmas (a liturgical season that starts, not ends, on dec 25), which btw has its origins in the early culturally-Jewish Christians' celebration of Chanukkah. its like making a secular cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" -- converting it into cutesy lyrics about candy and presents is super insensitive/disrespectful to the original song's meaning. go eat shit.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 10, 2021 19:41:09 GMT -5
people stop using "advent" for secular purposes challenge seeing corporations sell christmas countdown calendars as "advent calendars" makes me grind my teeth into dust. advent is a liturgical term of precisely religious meaning and importance, and im sick of seeing it relegated to a cutesy chocolate dispenser for microdosing christmas to the point where 90% of consumers don't event know what Advent actually refers to. literally a prime example of legitimate religious appropriation. also the stupid secular renditions of the "twelve days of christmas" can eat my ass. the original song lyrics had very intrinsic religious meaning that was representative of christian theological tradition in reference to the actual twelve days of christmas (a liturgical season that starts, not ends, on dec 25), which btw has its origins in the early culturally-Jewish Christians' celebration of Chanukkah. its like making a secular cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" -- converting it into cutesy lyrics about candy and presents is super insensitive/disrespectful to the original song's meaning. go eat shit. /sarcasm Gotta love people waltzing all over sacred religious traditions in order to make money. On an Added note: Seriously any person that has the guile to be disrespectful towards any religious belief/tradition etc, then get flaming offended and Burt hurt because I/They/whoever expresses simple disagreement with their cultural/ moral choices, not prejudice or discrimination, but just merely disagreeing with, really need to get their heads examined, and their morals and sense of human decency re-evaluated. Like it’s okay trample on mine, but I so much as sneeze in the wrong direction about yours then apparently I committed a serious crime, the one-sided equality in this day and age really burns me and grinds my gears. But suppose there’s nothing I can do about it. Anyway I fully agree with everything you’ve said 100%. Great piece of work.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 10, 2021 21:25:34 GMT -5
people stop using "advent" for secular purposes challenge seeing corporations sell christmas countdown calendars as "advent calendars" makes me grind my teeth into dust. advent is a liturgical term of precisely religious meaning and importance, and im sick of seeing it relegated to a cutesy chocolate dispenser for microdosing christmas to the point where 90% of consumers don't event know what Advent actually refers to. literally a prime example of legitimate religious appropriation. also the stupid secular renditions of the "twelve days of christmas" can eat my ass. the original song lyrics had very intrinsic religious meaning that was representative of christian theological tradition in reference to the actual twelve days of christmas (a liturgical season that starts, not ends, on dec 25), which btw has its origins in the early culturally-Jewish Christians' celebration of Chanukkah. its like making a secular cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" -- converting it into cutesy lyrics about candy and presents is super insensitive/disrespectful to the original song's meaning. go eat shit. /sarcasm Gotta love people waltzing all over sacred religious traditions in order to make money. On an Added note: Seriously any person that has the guile to be disrespectful towards any religious belief/tradition etc, then get flaming offended and Burt hurt because I/They/whoever expresses simple disagreement with their cultural/ moral choices, not prejudice or discrimination, but just merely disagreeing with, really need to get their heads examined, and their morals and sense of human decency re-evaluated. Like it’s okay trample on mine, but I so much as sneeze in the wrong direction about yours then apparently I committed a serious crime, the one-sided equality in this day and age really burns me and grinds my gears. But suppose there’s nothing I can do about it. Anyway I fully agree with everything you’ve said 100%. Great piece of work. i dislike it when people judge others using their religion as the sole reason. Especially if that person doesn’t even believe in that religion because it is irrelevant to them. Like for example when people quote the Bible to me in discussion that has little to do with religion, it really means nothing to me. And I honestly feel no obligation to respect a religion has people telling that me and my family will be suffering in Hell forever. The people of said religion? Fine because I don’t assume someone is bad for whatever religion they subscribe to. But their religion? As long it doesn’t control or disrupt my life.
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Cloudstorm
Don’t let it kill you. Even when it hurts like hell.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Dec 10, 2021 21:55:58 GMT -5
/sarcasm Gotta love people waltzing all over sacred religious traditions in order to make money. On an Added note: Seriously any person that has the guile to be disrespectful towards any religious belief/tradition etc, then get flaming offended and Burt hurt because I/They/whoever expresses simple disagreement with their cultural/ moral choices, not prejudice or discrimination, but just merely disagreeing with, really need to get their heads examined, and their morals and sense of human decency re-evaluated. Like it’s okay trample on mine, but I so much as sneeze in the wrong direction about yours then apparently I committed a serious crime, the one-sided equality in this day and age really burns me and grinds my gears. But suppose there’s nothing I can do about it. Anyway I fully agree with everything you’ve said 100%. Great piece of work. i dislike it when people judge others using their religion as the sole reason. Especially if that person doesn’t even believe in that religion because it is irrelevant to them. Like for example when people quote the Bible to me in discussion that has little to do with religion, it really means nothing to me. And I honestly feel no obligation to respect a religion has people telling that me and my family will be suffering in Hell forever. The people? Fine. But their religion? As long it doesn’t control or disrupt my life. there’s definitely toxic believer’s or false followers you could say, that will pretend to be all righteous and certainly use the scriptures/their doctrines/beliefs or teachings as a vice to be judgmental or bully other people for thinking differently, which is not what I’m referring too. I’m talking about people that feel entitled to preach/flaunt their beliefs, Moral interpretations what have you, around like they should be immune to disagreement/objection or ridicule, which is perfectly fine, except that as soon as a Christian or religious person etc, shares their opinions/beliefs or perspective on morality, they get chewed out by said person for merely having an opinion that’s an opposition to their’s , and treated like they’ve committed a crime for having a differing of opinion. Simple case of demanding respect for what they believe and hold sacred, but don’t extend the same courtesy to the opposition. People can disagree without being prejudice or judgmental or attempting to offend other people, of course some people would rather pull the victim card, and get all offended about it, but I guess if someone decides to get all worked up cause someone else has different opinions then that’s their problem then.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 10, 2021 22:07:50 GMT -5
That’s fine with me. I honestly have very little respect towards Christianity dueto constant unwanted exposure to it, among other things to put it lightly. I don’t really expect Christians to get anything but righteous about that, which I am used anyways. So... *shrugs* it’s just another day being surrounded by Christians to me.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 11, 2021 10:01:09 GMT -5
its fine to have had negative experiences with a religion, and to therefore have negative associations with it. if people want to have absolutely nothing religious in their christmas celebrations (or life in general), that's their prerogative and it doesn't effect me. and also obviously i dont blame people who legitimately don't know that things like advent are intrinsically religious terms, even when it irritates me.
i start taking issue when people use their personal religious trauma (a very real and valid thing) to purposely degrade and disrespect a critical aspect of many people's lives. an individual's negative experience does not grant them license to inflict/project their trauma on others who do not share that hurtful association. both because (a) that is a destructive and unhealthy coping mechanism based in inflicting non-constructive negativity on innocent parties for your own healing, and (b ) it assumes that every member of that religion shares an identical relationship to it, when in reality most religions (incl Christianity) differ so incredibly in beliefs/practices from sect to sect that they're almost incomparable besides the most basic tenets.
an insufficient* allegory: if someone is bit by a dog as a child, obviously they may have a legitimate distrust and dislike of dogs thereafter. they are reasonable to want to avoid dogs in their day-to-day life and generally want nothing to do with them. however, that doesn't make it okay to go out of their way to purposefully disparage and mistreat dogs they do come into contact with, or make mean jokes/disrespect the very meaningful relationship most dog-owners have with their dogs. or just generally take delight in discomfort that befalls them when other people do these things. it's a petty and childish response that amounts to lashing out at anyone who has a good relationship with whatever caused/causes you grief in the past. and it's one thing to struggle with this, and another to believe there's nothing wrong with this.
*I say insufficient because obviously, religious trauma can be a lot more serious and deeply impacting, so it's a complex issue that can't be perfectly or 100% justly encapsulated in a simple allegory.
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Post by Tealraven on Dec 11, 2021 14:36:42 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef if I may ask, what are your feelings on generic christmas countdown calendars with chocolates that are not related to advent? would you still prefer it if people didn't use them because of their original connection to advent? forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I don't know anything about Catholic beliefs.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 11, 2021 15:31:08 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef if I may ask, what are your feelings on generic christmas countdown calendars with chocolates that are not related to advent? would you still prefer it if people didn't use them because of their original connection to advent? forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I don't know anything about Catholic beliefs. thanks for asking!! those are fine! counting down to christmas with chocolates (or legos, or what-have-you) isn't disrespectful in any way, it's just a fun way to look forward to a widely-celebrated holiday. it's really just using the term "Advent" to describe them. i think context can kinda help understand what the issue is (under the cut cause a bit long): many high-church Christians (such as Lutherans, Anglicans, and Catholics) divide the year into different seasons of worship, called a liturgical calendar. Advent begins the fourth Sunday before Christmas and is a penitential season, in which partakers enter a period of self-reflection and contemplation in order to prepare themselves to spiritually welcome the joy of the Nativity. (Lent is very similar, except preceding Easter). many families and churches keep Advent wreaths to mark the passage of time until Christmas, with the number of lit candles representing how many sundays have passed. there are often specific prayers accompanying this nightly lighting. traditionally people will give up sweets and stuff too, although it's not common anymore. the word Advent itself comes from the Latin adventus, "coming" or "arrival" (of Christ).
(somewhat related to my previous rant -- Christmas is also considered a liturgical season, rather than a single day, and that's where the "12 days of Christmas" comes from. it lasts from Dec 25 to Jan 3, the Feast of the Epiphany).
so it's easy to see how Advent became associated with the calendars. the problem is that such calendars really have nothing to do with Advent beyond a shared concept of "looking forward to Christmas". the dates don't even line up; Advent's start date changes every year (bc it's always a Sunday) but typically begins in late November, whereas commercial "Advent" calendars always starts Dec 1. it's an inextricably religious term of liturgical importance applied to a secular consumer good, to the point where that is many people's only understanding of "Advent". it'd be like if a fitness guru named their intermittent fasting diet plan "the Yom Kippur Diet", the Jewish holiday of spiritual atonement and sacrificial fasting. so basically, there's really nothing wrong with the concept of advent calendars! feel free to buy them and enjoy that chocolate. it'd just be more respectful to call them "Christmas Countdown Calendar" or something, instead of associating them with a religious practice.
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Post by Tealraven on Dec 11, 2021 17:44:31 GMT -5
Good to know! That was informative and quite interesting, thank you for answering. If I buy any Christmas countdown calendars in the future, I’ll avoid purchasing ones that call themselves “advent” calendars.
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Post by ℊℓоω on Dec 11, 2021 18:07:45 GMT -5
Sorry to jump into this conversation, but the word “advent” also has non-religious meanings. I’m sure you’re aware but it also means basically “the beginning of an important event or time.” Though it is probably derived from Christian contexts, those are not the only contexts in which it is used (nor has it been for a while). It’s a conveniently short word to denote the time leading up to Christmas Day (which to many people now is a secular holiday). I don’t think it’s possible to unring the bell when it comes to calling those calendars with candy in them “advent calendars.” Especially since the nature of words is to change in meaning. Or to expand to include multiple meanings. I sorta fail to see how non-religious people simply using the word “advent” is religious appropriation. Not that religious appropriation is okay! I do think we should be respectful of other people’s customs. But given secular homes use the term in an inoffensive and relatively harmless context, I don’t see the point in trying to make them feel guilty about it? Especially, as I said, since advent is a multi-use word to begin with (at least in our modern lexicon).
Just thought I’d share that perspective, but I understand the sentiment. I wouldn’t want to be offensive to any religious tradition, but I think language evolution is an interesting and unstoppable force. Using one word in a new, harmless way is sorta different from, for example, wearing a Native American headdress for Halloween. Plus advent calendars today are a pretty deeply ingrained tradition. We own one that my grandmother used as a little girl. That in and of itself is a sort of sacred tradition that I wouldn't like to think of as offensive or appropriating. She was a good Christian girl too lol
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 11, 2021 18:59:24 GMT -5
Sorry to jump into this conversation, but the word “advent” also has non-religious meanings. I’m sure you’re aware but it also means basically “the beginning of an important event or time.” Though it is probably derived from Christian contexts, those are not the only contexts in which it is used (nor has it been for a while). It’s a conveniently short word to denote the time leading up to Christmas Day (which to many people now is a secular holiday). I don’t think it’s possible to unring the bell when it comes to calling those calendars with candy in them “advent calendars.” Especially since the nature of words is to change in meaning. Or to expand to include multiple meanings. I sorta fail to see how non-religious people simply using the word “advent” is religious appropriation. Not that religious appropriation is okay! I do think we should be respectful of other people’s customs. But given secular homes use the term in an inoffensive and relatively harmless context, I don’t see the point in trying to make them feel guilty about it? Especially, as I said, since advent is a multi-use word to begin with (at least in our modern lexicon).
Just thought I’d share that perspective, but I understand the sentiment. I wouldn’t want to be offensive to any religious tradition, but I think language evolution is an interesting and unstoppable force. Using one word in a new, harmless way is sorta different from, for example, wearing a Native American headdress for Halloween. Plus advent calendars today are a pretty deeply ingrained tradition. We own one that my grandmother used as a little girl. That in and of itself is a sort of sacred tradition that I wouldn't like to think of as offensive or appropriating. She was a good Christian girl too lol i do see what you're saying about the evolution of lexicon, but i'll just have to respectfully disagree. the "new, harmless way" does not feel new or harmless to me or to many others in my religion, since it is one example of many in a pattern of religious traditions being secularly washed to appeal to the commercial mass market*. and this particular instance feels too close in mimicry to the liturgical Advent for me to dismiss it as a merely general use of "advent". Given too that advent calendars originated specifically as a product of liturgical Advent, and only gradually overtime became mostly secularized in order to appeal to the mass market with the change in western religious demographic, it further feels like a washing out of the liturgical Advent for commercial purposes rather than a coincidental adoption of the word's more broad definition. and although words popular meaning do indeed change over time, those changes can still negatively effect people -- in this case, the commercial co-opting of a previously religious term to the point of semi-erasure among laypeople. but, frankly, it does comes down to a personal belief, and people can disagree with it. i can only share my perspective as someone who feels negatively impacted by it. someone not of my background might look at this and think it's an overreaction, and that's their prerogative. (I do want to point out that your grandmother being Christian by itself doesn't necessarily excuse secular advent calendars, as the majority of western Christians do not celebrate liturgical seasons, and Advent by extension, and the concept is just as foreign to them as to non-Christian folk. not a judgement on her or your family tradition btw, just a comment on whether that negates any potential "appropriating"). EDIT: *Want to clarify that this is not referencing non-Christians celebrating Christmas, I don't have a problem with that
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