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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 19:08:07 GMT -5
I agree with that, Snooze! That sounds nice to have and I already have a few in my head.
I can offer myself to draw something as a prize related to the role-play if I am told before hand that we're doing an art prize. I can also make some pixel art. Other things could be an additional character slot, or they can have an extra side plot or something? |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 19:10:32 GMT -5
Those ideas are fantastic Rainleaf.
A plot space would only be a prize if a plot is happening right?
The extra character slot and the art are fantastic ideas for regular prizes.
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on May 11, 2020 19:11:08 GMT -5
I can also offer art, that’s about all I’ve got to offer, but yeah
Other prizes??? I’m not sure there
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 19:15:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Jekyll. I think we could do that or if we're preparing a plot and everyone already knows. Or perhaps they could have a forbidden romance while one is already going? But if we do that, then it would be with someone else that also has that or already has been giving permission.
Aww, you're too sweet. I'd love to see what you've drawn, though. A we can always rotate that as well so it isn't just one person. ;3; Everyone has different styles, so it would be neat, I believe. |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 19:18:07 GMT -5
I draw using references and/or bases so I don't think my art will be very popular))
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 19:57:21 GMT -5
Prize Ideas: (Some already have been suggested but this is giving more info)
- Art (The more challenging the contest is, the better the art prize. So, a sketch would be a lower tier and a full-on image with the character and background like my avatar would be higher tier.)
- Plot Space C (So they could have a forbidden romance slot that bypasses the generation thing in each Clan. They can use it anytime and both the leader and the winner needs to keep track of it with dates and etc. They can also switch to being the hero of a fox attack or something like that. Perhaps they can have a queen if the nursery is full?)
- Plot Space B (They can take a spot in a plot that impacts the whole Clan. If we ever do a death roll or something, they can also use this to save their character?)
- Plot Space A (They can take a spot in a major plot that impacts more than one Clan.)
- Badges (Art still, but the winner(s) would get exclusive rights to use the badge in their signature to show they won a contest or game? Could be pixel and related to the role-play itself.)
- "Character Spotlight" could be every three months with the winners entering a tournament style trivia game and the winner of the tournament getting a special section on the joining page where the member can show off the art they have of that character, short stories, a little bio. Could also include a section that has an "about me" for that member. |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 20:00:21 GMT -5
Awesome Rainleaf!
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 20:04:46 GMT -5
Should we have a bit of history already planned out? Maybe some stuff explaining why certain clans are against each other at the moment?
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 20:08:07 GMT -5
I think that can go in the legacy thing with the leaders that was mentioned a few pages before. |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 20:17:17 GMT -5
Okay. For plot management. Do you think there should be a separate thread where the plot are planned out and kept track of in full.
That way we won't clog up the clan pages and it gives a free space for everyone to input their ideas.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 20:27:07 GMT -5
I think we agreed on a discussion page a little bit back, so that would be on there I assume.
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Post by lazy penguin on May 11, 2020 20:47:31 GMT -5
hey sorry i've been absent today, but i spent a few moments backreading and most of the stuff discussed looks great to me!
the only thing i'm a bit concerned about is the discord game stuff. i think having a discord is a good idea, and i like the idea of hosting trivia/game nights to build friendships and camaraderie among the people in the rp. however i am strongly against giving out plot spots or anything that wold physically affect the rp out as a prize. some people will not join the discord. others might not know enough trivia in order to win. we shouldn't be making a fun game night into a tool people can use to get spotlight their characters over those who can't join or just don't know as much. also- plot depends solely on the cats involved and we want to make sure that cats in certain positions fit into those positions. people shouldn't just be given these spaces because they won a silly game. also- if the objective of the game night is to have fun i don't really see the point in giving out major prizes. maybe like a special title or color on discord or art i guess- but we shouldn't need to give incentive to get people to participate. if they want to play they should be able to play and if they don't want to play they shouldn't feel like they're missing out on something.
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on May 11, 2020 20:59:02 GMT -5
hey sorry i've been absent today, but i spent a few moments backreading and most of the stuff discussed looks great to me!
the only thing i'm a bit concerned about is the discord game stuff. i think having a discord is a good idea, and i like the idea of hosting trivia/game nights to build friendships and camaraderie among the people in the rp. however i am strongly against giving out plot spots or anything that wold physically affect the rp out as a prize. some people will not join the discord. others might not know enough trivia in order to win. we shouldn't be making a fun game night into a tool people can use to get spotlight their characters over those who can't join or just don't know as much. also- plot depends solely on the cats involved and we want to make sure that cats in certain positions fit into those positions. people shouldn't just be given these spaces because they won a silly game. also- if the objective of the game night is to have fun i don't really see the point in giving out major prizes. maybe like a special title or color on discord or art i guess- but we shouldn't need to give incentive to get people to participate. if they want to play they should be able to play and if they don't want to play they shouldn't feel like they're missing out on something. ^^^^^ Thank you for putting my thoughts into words I’m all for games and prizes, but to me, I don’t think plot prizes will be a good idea in the long run, it feels like a good way to make some people feel left out and excluded while others are always in the spotlight, and I think it could lead to a lot of potentially upset members |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 21:39:13 GMT -5
I don't get why plot prizes are an issue when we can also do them on the forums? Plus, it can be a prize for multiple contests. If we moderate it right, then we don't really have to worry? I don't think colors on discord would be a good prize because we would probably use them to tell everyone apart if they want to be in a specific Clan on discord. I also don't want to have someone draw something every time because that can wear those out. If we're going to be stingy about plots and plot spots, then we're not going to have a good time. While yeah, some people will probably get them that shouldn't, we have to be fair to everyone. We're also still in the beginning stages of planning, so we don't know how we're going to organize plots. It also doesn't have to be a prize every single time. |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 21:39:49 GMT -5
I see what you mean. Some people don't even use discord and would miss out on the trivia and so giving out plot positions would be like giving special attention to only the members who can get on there.
Using art or extra character slots would definitely make more sense.
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Post by lazy penguin on May 11, 2020 22:05:47 GMT -5
Okay let me try to explain better.
Giving out prizes that directly affect the rp based around an event that has virtually nothing to do with the rp is a bad idea imo. For the sake of the argument let's say all of these games are hosted on the forums. We are still going to run into issues with people being excluded. Timezones, life events, even just bad scheduling can cause a perfectly active and helpful member to miss a game night. People shouldn't feel like they have to sidetrack their lives in order to get important plot roles for a cat rp. Lets say we run a trivia game, if the winner wins a plot spot are we saying that everyone else is less deserving of that spot because they don't know how firestar lost all 9 of his lives? Are we saying that people who can't make a 8 pm cst trivia game are less deserving of being in a forbidden romance than everyone else? No matter how we try to format it people are going to be shortchanged and those people are going to get mad and upset about it. The whole point of the games is to have fun and to get to know the people you're rping with. It should not be seen as a way to get special treatment from the mods or a way to spotlight a character. I'd even argue against prizes as a whole. Incentives just make games feel super competitive and we don't want to foster hate between members because one person beat the other to get really cool art of their character. The games should be relaxed, more of a way to get to know everyone than to actually get something out of it. You don't need to have an incentive to have a good time, and you don't need an incentive to lure people into games. The people who want to play and get to know the others will and those who don't won't. We shouldn't punish people in the rp for not wanting to participate in something out of it.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
We're not punishing people. We're not saying anyone is less deserving. I think prizes are a good idea overall. Everyone is going to miss something and that happens and that's okay. We're not offering bias or a hand up, as I can see the people that use these will either be corrected for using them right after they just had a plot position or if they haven't had a chance and didn't want to come across as whining about not having one. The games will differ and there are also contests that can have these prizes. I also think if we set the games and contests up right, we can give multiple ones away so everyone is included. Not to mention some contests can be decided by a poll.
We have no idea how we're going to arrange plots yet so we can work with that with this idea more. I also get that you don't want to make things competitive but there will be a competitive aspect regardless, so why not just take the game part away if you think it'll devolve into hate? We won't do anything for anyone to have fun and just role-play instead of trying to get a big community together.
Speaking of the games, we can host them at different times and even Clans individually can host their own. Yes, people do have their own lives, but we can also see how the activity will go within the role-play before deciding on when games take place or do trial and error. As long as the leaders and their moderators keep track, I don't think it'll be an issue. We should be fair, but games are a good way to do that because it'll be different things. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 22:26:13 GMT -5
I was offering a plot position because if we make a plot, we literally should be working our tails off to include as many people as possible. Plus a lot of people want to be in a plot. If we make a rule stating that if you held a major role, you must wait until the next and even the plot prize spot won't get you in if you were in the one prior. Plus, some people may not be on at the right time, so if we ask for volunteers and someone that wants to be in misses it, isn't that the same? Why is that okay but not something that can help them get into something? |
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Post by Jekyll on May 11, 2020 22:28:11 GMT -5
I see your point.
We would just have to regulate the plot prizes so that no one person is getting to shine every time
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on May 11, 2020 22:51:34 GMT -5
Personally, my biggest issue with the idea of plot prizes is that it still ends up excluding people no matter how you look at it, it’s like saying “you have to win something to participate in the important stuff in the roleplay” and not everyone will have time, energy, or motivation to even try to win stuff like that
Games seem really fun to me, and I’m not against smaller prizes for them
I just??? Don’t think we should throw plot things in there because it makes it seem like if we do, no matter what, people will be excluded and I want this to be fun for everyone that participates, not just the people that win a game, like for instance, imagine if we did plot stuff and you had one person that always won these prizes and their characters got to do everything, meanwhile someone else never won something and didn’t get to participate in any of the plot things and feels left out and excluded: EDIT, I read over the other posts and while I think regulating major plot things is a good idea, I still can’t agree with using plots as rewards, that’s the main difference between someone simply missing something and someone specifically missing out on a reward that’s plot related, idk, I know I’d feel bad if plot things were given out as prizes and I never won something and I’m pretty sure lots of other people would feel the same way? Plots should be inclusive regardless of what someone won in a game
If we want to play games, which I think would be really fun and a great way to get to know everyone else there, but I think we should keep any prizes separate from the actual roleplaying part of the group, that way everyone can have fun and get involved in the roleplay without needing to win a game to participate in plot related things, Y’know?? We can build a community and get to know each other
RE: in short, I think prizes are fine and could be fun, but I think doing plot related prizes will create an exclusive, even potentially toxic environment and I think that’s something we should do our best to avoid, rather than encourage
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on May 11, 2020 22:57:49 GMT -5
Hmmm
What if the only plot related prizes for games and stuff were things like
An extra apprentice/queen spot?
To me, anything beyond that might just seem??? Exclusive and end up hurting feelings
Like saying “you won the game so you get to be this important character” just seems like?? A good way to start a fire
But being like “you can have an extra apprentice/queen spot” seems?? A lot more fair to me, I guess??
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on May 11, 2020 23:00:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel like if we are going to do just art, that's going to tire out those that have to draw quickly. Plus with how the plot positions are listed as prizes, they would be a prize for games and contests that are not very often. We don't have to give a plot position every single time and we will also give everyone a big heads up before. Some people may not even want them. I just have a feeling that if we don't do something to entice people to do games and contests, things will get scrambled. I also think that if we don't have something for someone to use to get a plot while others trample over, then it'll be bad. We're not encouraging toxicity and if it gets bad, we can always take it away. Not to mention that we should already make sure people are being courteous about being in plots. |
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