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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:40:01 GMT -5
It is actually a female’s instinct to want kits to have more of their kind so they don’t go extinct. It’s the instinct of pretty much all living beings to want to procreate and give life—which is not the point of this. I think it would be nice for Warriors to portray different opinions in a society that is so focused on producing kits (similar to ours) since there are warriors, like Twigbranch, that are not as kit-centric as someone like Squirrelflight. You would think since Sauirrelflight is such a freak over kits she would actually have some, not take her sister’s |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:42:46 GMT -5
Chicken I meant more like massive clans. Like the smallish ones from the first series would make sense, but the ones in the recent books are enormous. Sorry for not being more specific! Ohh, okay, that makes sense lol They probably aren't split up into different groups either, or meet up during the full moon, or go to the moonstone, or get nine lives or anything like that XD However, this one time, I had this cat, and he died, and like a week later, I saw this cat who looked EXACTLY like my cat who had died, it was wild. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:45:40 GMT -5
It’s the instinct of pretty much all living beings to want to procreate and give life—which is not the point of this. I think it would be nice for Warriors to portray different opinions in a society that is so focused on producing kits (similar to ours) since there are warriors, like Twigbranch, that are not as kit-centric as someone like Squirrelflight. You would think since Sauirrelflight is such a freak over kits she would actually have some, not take her sister’s That's not what happened at all. Leafpool was a nitwitted medicine cat who broke the code with some WindClan guy, and Yellowfang lied to Squirrelflight and pretty much forced her into taking Leafpool's kits. |
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 8, 2019 9:47:28 GMT -5
Chicken I meant more like massive clans. Like the smallish ones from the first series would make sense, but the ones in the recent books are enormous. Sorry for not being more specific! Ohh, okay, that makes sense lol They probably aren't split up into different groups either, or meet up during the full moon, or go to the moonstone, or get nine lives or anything like that XD However, this one time, I had this cat, and he died, and like a week later, I saw this cat who looked EXACTLY like my cat who had died, it was wild. Ooh spooky when I was a kid, we had this really pretty long-furred cat, and when she died, suddenly there was this completely white long-furred cat that showed up and we said it was her ghost |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:52:15 GMT -5
Ohh, okay, that makes sense lol They probably aren't split up into different groups either, or meet up during the full moon, or go to the moonstone, or get nine lives or anything like that XD However, this one time, I had this cat, and he died, and like a week later, I saw this cat who looked EXACTLY like my cat who had died, it was wild. Ooh spooky when I was a kid, we had this really pretty long-furred cat, and when she died, suddenly there was this completely white long-furred cat that showed up and we said it was her ghost Wow, that's really interesting  That makes me think of this time, I felt something brush against my ankles, but there was nothing there, and it happened more than once, so I just chalked it up to being the ghost of my cat Astrid |
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 8, 2019 9:55:18 GMT -5
Ooh spooky when I was a kid, we had this really pretty long-furred cat, and when she died, suddenly there was this completely white long-furred cat that showed up and we said it was her ghost Wow, that's really interesting That makes me think of this time, I felt something brush against my ankles, but there was nothing there, and it happened more than once, so I just chalked it up to being the ghost of my cat Astrid Ghost kitties just saying hello kinda cute, actually |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:55:56 GMT -5
Wow, that's really interesting That makes me think of this time, I felt something brush against my ankles, but there was nothing there, and it happened more than once, so I just chalked it up to being the ghost of my cat Astrid Ghost kitties just saying hello kinda cute, actually It is  and sweet, but sad too |
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Post by halogen on Dec 8, 2019 9:56:26 GMT -5
It also annoys me how anyone who does express this sentiment of not wanting to have children is portrayed as either abusive (Lizardstripe) or having serious mental issues (Bluestar, Hollyleaf), while cats who express the opinion that everyone needs to have kids like Whitewing are portrayed as well-adjusted and saintly.
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 8, 2019 10:01:23 GMT -5
It also annoys me how anyone who does express this sentiment of not wanting to have children is portrayed as either abusive (Lizardstripe) or having serious mental issues (Bluestar, Hollyleaf), while cats who express the opinion that everyone needs to have kids like Whitewing are portrayed as well-adjusted and saintly. And I mean, the clans just keep getting bigger and bigger cause no one dies at a reasonable age anymore, so why do they need more cats? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 10:06:41 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually love when new kits are born into the series, especially between characters that I like.
Like, I wouldn't mind if Sandynose and Plumwillow had more kits, though, Dewspring is pretty much perfect.
He looks like his mother, but has more of his father's personality.
Omg, I hope Dewspring has kits!
I also want all the cats that don't have kits yet to have kits, I know that the clans are already packed, but I just want their memory to live on through their kits, if that makes any sense.
I wish Mudclaw and Tornear would have had kits, because poor Redclaw's bloodline is dead.
Maybe they did though, because there's like a million WindClan cats with no family.
I suspect that Leaftail is Mudclaw's kitten, he reminds me of him, and he's dark ginger just like Redclaw
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 8, 2019 11:45:10 GMT -5
They need to get off Moonlight’s back True However, if you think about it from their perspective.. WindClan and RiverClan are right to be mad about seeing prey that could feed their clans go to waste.
However, if they take that land back, then ThunderClan and ShadowClan's territory will be shrunken.
WindClan and ThunderClan had the best idea, by sharing the strip of moorland until The Sisters move.
I don't know why ShadowClan and RiverClan can't do the same. Tigerstar's problem here is that he rolls up to Bramblestar whining and pitching a fit and demanding that Bramblestar fix all of his problems for him. Can he not defend his own border? It's not like Shadowclan is weak or anything compared to Riverclan. And he can certainly make an agreement with them like Bramblestar did with Harestar too. Instead he just complains and it's transparently obvious that he's just doing it because he knows Bramblestar is too scared of breaking up clan unity to tell him to back off. His perspective is coming in such obvious bad faith, he has no intention of making a deal or of a fair territory split. He's coming in there purely to throw his weight around and threaten Skyclan until the other clans cede to his demands. That's why he's so loathsome in this book, imo. That Shadowclan has the gall to complain about Thunderclan getting involved when Tigerstar is threatening Bramblestar so that he DOES get involved is just the icing on the cake. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 11:53:41 GMT -5
True However, if you think about it from their perspective.. WindClan and RiverClan are right to be mad about seeing prey that could feed their clans go to waste.
However, if they take that land back, then ThunderClan and ShadowClan's territory will be shrunken.
WindClan and ThunderClan had the best idea, by sharing the strip of moorland until The Sisters move.
I don't know why ShadowClan and RiverClan can't do the same. Tigerstar's problem here is that he rolls up to Bramblestar whining and pitching a fit and demanding that Bramblestar fix all of his problems for him. Can he not defend his own border? It's not like Shadowclan is weak or anything compared to Riverclan. And he can certainly make an agreement with them like Bramblestar did with Harestar too. Instead he just complains and it's transparently obvious that he's just doing it because he knows Bramblestar is too scared of breaking up clan unity to tell him to back off. His perspective is coming in such obvious bad faith, he has no intention of making a deal or of a fair territory split. He's coming in there purely to throw his weight around and threaten Skyclan until the other clans cede to his demands. That's why he's so loathsome in this book, imo. That Shadowclan has the gall to complain about Thunderclan getting involved when Tigerstar is threatening Bramblestar so that he DOES get involved is just the icing on the cake. Yeah, that is pretty annoying, I still don't think he's that bad though. Also, when it comes to RiverClan vs ShadowClan, I'm pretty sure RiverClan could probably win the fight, that is if they fought on skill and strength alone. However, ShadowClan is pretty cunning, and I wouldn't put it past them to play dirty, so, who knows? Then again, RiverClan hasn't really done much fighting since they were in the old forest, so maybe they're out of practice? But it seems like RiverClan hardly ever has to rely on another clan for help fighting wise, but ShadowClan ALWAYS seems like they need ThunderClan's help. |
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 8, 2019 12:04:19 GMT -5
Tigerstar's problem here is that he rolls up to Bramblestar whining and pitching a fit and demanding that Bramblestar fix all of his problems for him. Can he not defend his own border? It's not like Shadowclan is weak or anything compared to Riverclan. And he can certainly make an agreement with them like Bramblestar did with Harestar too. Instead he just complains and it's transparently obvious that he's just doing it because he knows Bramblestar is too scared of breaking up clan unity to tell him to back off. His perspective is coming in such obvious bad faith, he has no intention of making a deal or of a fair territory split. He's coming in there purely to throw his weight around and threaten Skyclan until the other clans cede to his demands. That's why he's so loathsome in this book, imo. That Shadowclan has the gall to complain about Thunderclan getting involved when Tigerstar is threatening Bramblestar so that he DOES get involved is just the icing on the cake. Yeah, that is pretty annoying, I still don't think he's that bad though. Also, when it comes to RiverClan vs ShadowClan, I'm pretty sure RiverClan could probably win the fight, that is if they fought on skill and strength alone. However, ShadowClan is pretty cunning, and I wouldn't put it past them to play dirty, so, who knows? Then again, RiverClan hasn't really done much fighting since they were in the old forest, so maybe they're out of practice? But it seems like RiverClan hardly ever has to rely on another clan for help fighting wise, but ShadowClan ALWAYS seems like they need ThunderClan's help. Shadowclan is a bigger and stronger clan than Riverclan is, by all rights they should win. And even if they can't, well, too bad so sad. This isn't an invasion, it's just a border squabble. They can redraw borders just fine. It's not Bramblestar's problem. Tigerstar just uses the threat of attacking Skyclan as leverage, he has no intention of fighting or making a deal because he knows he'll get whatever he wants. It's pretty bad when the only diplomacy he knows is "do what I want or I destroy the clans". |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 12:08:17 GMT -5
Yeah, that is pretty annoying, I still don't think he's that bad though. Also, when it comes to RiverClan vs ShadowClan, I'm pretty sure RiverClan could probably win the fight, that is if they fought on skill and strength alone. However, ShadowClan is pretty cunning, and I wouldn't put it past them to play dirty, so, who knows? Then again, RiverClan hasn't really done much fighting since they were in the old forest, so maybe they're out of practice? But it seems like RiverClan hardly ever has to rely on another clan for help fighting wise, but ShadowClan ALWAYS seems like they need ThunderClan's help. Shadowclan is a bigger and stronger clan than Riverclan is, by all rights they should win. And even if they can't, well, too bad so sad. This isn't an invasion, it's just a border squabble. They can redraw borders just fine. It's not Bramblestar's problem. Tigerstar just uses the threat of attacking Skyclan as leverage, he has no intention of fighting or making a deal because he knows he'll get whatever he wants. It's pretty bad when the only diplomacy he knows is "do what I want or I destroy the clans". Look at their history ShadowClan has been almost destroyed countless times, how many times has RiverClan been almost destroyed? Tigerstar is just trying to do what is best for his clan, and at least he isn't attacking clans in the middle of their camps without warning for absolutely no reason. |
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 8, 2019 12:51:46 GMT -5
Shadowclan is a bigger and stronger clan than Riverclan is, by all rights they should win. And even if they can't, well, too bad so sad. This isn't an invasion, it's just a border squabble. They can redraw borders just fine. It's not Bramblestar's problem. Tigerstar just uses the threat of attacking Skyclan as leverage, he has no intention of fighting or making a deal because he knows he'll get whatever he wants. It's pretty bad when the only diplomacy he knows is "do what I want or I destroy the clans". Look at their history ShadowClan has been almost destroyed countless times, how many times has RiverClan been almost destroyed? Tigerstar is just trying to do what is best for his clan, and at least he isn't attacking clans in the middle of their camps without warning for absolutely no reason. Shadowclan has always been destroyed by its own cancerous politics, never by brute force. Riverclan just got destroyed in the very last arc by brute force, however. If one speaks of relative strength, Shadowclan is clearly superior. The land he's fighting over is land he cannot even use, there's nothing best for his clan there. Even if it was for the best of his clan, then just make a deal with Mistystar like Bramblestar did with Harestar. The fact that he doesn't reveals his true colors, he's not acting in good faith. Also, did you forget the Raging Storm? Where Tigerstar did just that and attacked Skyclan's camp? He even threatens to do it again the whole book, purely so he can get his way with zero effort on his part. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 13:04:53 GMT -5
Look at their history ShadowClan has been almost destroyed countless times, how many times has RiverClan been almost destroyed? Tigerstar is just trying to do what is best for his clan, and at least he isn't attacking clans in the middle of their camps without warning for absolutely no reason. Shadowclan has always been destroyed by its own cancerous politics, never by brute force. Riverclan just got destroyed in the very last arc by brute force, however. If one speaks of relative strength, Shadowclan is clearly superior. The land he's fighting over is land he cannot even use, there's nothing best for his clan there. Even if it was for the best of his clan, then just make a deal with Mistystar like Bramblestar did with Harestar. The fact that he doesn't reveals his true colors, he's not acting in good faith. Also, did you forget the Raging Storm? Where Tigerstar did just that and attacked Skyclan's camp? He even threatens to do it again the whole book, purely so he can get his way with zero effort on his part. I thought he had nothing to do with that, since he seemed shocked that Juniperclaw would poison them. Ugh, I don't know, I just like Tigerheartstar I've liked him ever since he said "I'm not going to let you destroy what's left of my brother." And compared to most of the leaders ShadowClan has had? He's not that bad at all. I mean, if he was ThunderClan's leader, yeah, he'd be pretty awful, but as ShadowClan's leader? I think he's doing pretty well. He may not be the best leader in the world, but I still think he has a good heart, maybe not to cats outside his clan, but the way he loves and cares about his family is just one of the best things ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:52:52 GMT -5
I bet the Sisters are getting real tired of Squirrelflight always popping up. They're probably thinking. "Just move in already if you're just going to keep showing up unannounced!" Speaking of always going to see the Sisters, when does Leafpool die?
I keep thinking that this time will be the time, but it never is.
Also, Is Finleap still like...not full grown?
They were fine with him in the camp, but with Tree they're like
Snow bristled.
“Do you expect me to let a grown tom into our camp?” She glared at Tree.
Now, everyone is freaking out about a tom being in the camp...but Finleap?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 19:52:04 GMT -5
You would think since Sauirrelflight is such a freak over kits she would actually have some, not take her sister’s That's not what happened at all. Leafpool was a nitwitted medicine cat who broke the code with some WindClan guy, and Yellowfang lied to Squirrelflight and pretty much forced her into taking Leafpool's kits. I meant, if she is always worrying so much over kits that aren’t even her’s, why shouldn’t she actually have some? Yes, she does have some later tho.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 19:55:29 GMT -5
That's not what happened at all. Leafpool was a nitwitted medicine cat who broke the code with some WindClan guy, and Yellowfang lied to Squirrelflight and pretty much forced her into taking Leafpool's kits. I meant, if she is always worrying so much over kits that aren’t even her’s, why shouldn’t she actually have some? Yes, she does have some later tho.. I'm sure it's not from lack of trying Plus, if you're talking about Squirrelflight's Hope, Bramblestar wants to focus more on the clan, than on having kits. However, if you mean before the Leafpool events, she must have had a REALLY hard time becoming pregnant, because Yellowfang lied and told her she was barren. So, it's not like she didn't try, she can't just snap her claws and make kits appear. That only happens in forbidden romances lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 19:56:47 GMT -5
I meant, if she is always worrying so much over kits that aren’t even her’s, why shouldn’t she actually have some? Yes, she does have some later tho.. I'm sure it's not from lack of trying Plus, if you're talking about Squirrelflight's Hope, Bramblestar wants to focus more on the clan, than on having kits. However, if you mean before the Leafpool events, she must have had a REALLY hard time becoming pregnant, because Yellowfang lied and told her she was barren. So, it's not like she didn't try, she can't just snap her claws and make kits appear. That only happens in forbidden romances lol I’ve always found it weird that no one notices their medic is pregnant and Squirrelflight isn’t. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:02:51 GMT -5
I'm sure it's not from lack of trying Plus, if you're talking about Squirrelflight's Hope, Bramblestar wants to focus more on the clan, than on having kits. However, if you mean before the Leafpool events, she must have had a REALLY hard time becoming pregnant, because Yellowfang lied and told her she was barren. So, it's not like she didn't try, she can't just snap her claws and make kits appear. That only happens in forbidden romances lol I’ve always found it weird that no one notices their medic is pregnant and Squirrelflight isn’t. I know, and to make matters worse, they all knew about her and Crowfeather Then, Squirrelflight comes in with 3 kits, only one of them look like they could be kits of hers and Brambleclaw. But then again, two grey cats had an orange cat, and two grey cats had a tortoiseshell cat and a brown cat, so yeah lol But still, they KNEW about Leafpool and Crowfeather. If it had been another medicine cat, I'd chalk it up to them never believing that their medicine cat would do something like that However, the clan cats haven't really been shown to be the sharpest tools in the shed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:10:27 GMT -5
I’ve always found it weird that no one notices their medic is pregnant and Squirrelflight isn’t. I know, and to make matters worse, they all knew about her and Crowfeather Then, Squirrelflight comes in with 3 kits, only one of them look like they could be kits of hers and Brambleclaw. But then again, two grey cats had an orange cat, and two grey cats had a tortoiseshell cat and a brown cat, so yeah lol But still, they KNEW about Leafpool and Crowfeather. If it had been another medicine cat, I'd chalk it up to them never believing that their medicine cat would do something like that However, the clan cats haven't really been shown to be the sharpest tools in the shed. Yea, it seems like a black cat could be mates with a white cat and they’d have an orange baby. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:13:57 GMT -5
I know, and to make matters worse, they all knew about her and Crowfeather Then, Squirrelflight comes in with 3 kits, only one of them look like they could be kits of hers and Brambleclaw. But then again, two grey cats had an orange cat, and two grey cats had a tortoiseshell cat and a brown cat, so yeah lol But still, they KNEW about Leafpool and Crowfeather. If it had been another medicine cat, I'd chalk it up to them never believing that their medicine cat would do something like that However, the clan cats haven't really been shown to be the sharpest tools in the shed. Yea, it seems like a black cat could be mates with a white cat and they’d have an orange baby. Actually, that could be possible if the mother is white and she has a son. White masks all other colors, so the white could be masking orange, so she carries the red gene, which she then passes onto her son. Their daughters would be tortoiseshell, since female cats get a color gene from both parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:18:28 GMT -5
Yea, it seems like a black cat could be mates with a white cat and they’d have an orange baby. Actually, that could be possible if the mother is white and she has a son. White masks all other colors, so the white could be masking orange, so she carries the red gene, which she then passes onto her son. Their daughters would be tortoiseshell, since female cats get a color gene from both parents. I meant the parents don’t look anything like their kits |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:48:45 GMT -5
Actually, that could be possible if the mother is white and she has a son. White masks all other colors, so the white could be masking orange, so she carries the red gene, which she then passes onto her son. Their daughters would be tortoiseshell, since female cats get a color gene from both parents. I meant the parents don’t look anything like their kits Oh right But it could be completely possible |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:31:55 GMT -5
I meant the parents don’t look anything like their kits Oh right But it could be completely possible Yes, but u would think Erin H. would try to make them like their parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:53:55 GMT -5
Oh right But it could be completely possible Yes, but u would think Erin H. would try to make them like their parents. True But there's cats that look like their parents, and cats that don't in the series. I really appreciate the fact that Berrynose and Tallstar are copies of their mothers |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 20:39:11 GMT -5
I really don't like this SE
I'm sorry for people that liked it, but I'm really not into it at all.
Not only is it super boring, but it's also super frustrating, and it's basically making everyone look bad.
I'm going to finish it, even though I don't really like it much... I think this is my least favorite SE by far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 21:05:22 GMT -5
Yes, but u would think Erin H. would try to make them like their parents. True But there's cats that look like their parents, and cats that don't in the series. I really appreciate the fact that Berrynose and Tallstar are copies of their mothers I loved how similar Squirrelflight and Leafpool were to their parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 21:09:10 GMT -5
True But there's cats that look like their parents, and cats that don't in the series. I really appreciate the fact that Berrynose and Tallstar are copies of their mothers I loved how similar Squirrelflight and Leafpool were to their parents. Leafpool? Do you mean personality wise? |
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and sweet, but sad too
