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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 16:08:50 GMT -5
That's a good way to look at it As for Bramblestar, it seems like everyone is all for Squirrelflight without even trying to see his side of things They were both wrong and both right in their own ways This was how I felt, too, when Squirrelflight's Hope came out. Sure, Bramblestar has done wrong, but Squirrelflight isn't perfect, either. He gets too much hate from the fandom. Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. |
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 5, 2019 16:56:30 GMT -5
This was how I felt, too, when Squirrelflight's Hope came out. Sure, Bramblestar has done wrong, but Squirrelflight isn't perfect, either. He gets too much hate from the fandom. Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. He had Mudclaw telling him to his face that Hawkfrost was evil, that he didn't believe Mudclaw was intolerably foolish. Hawkfrost was being judged because someone with nothing to lose had ratted him out as a conspirator, not because of his heritage. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 17:02:57 GMT -5
Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. He had Mudclaw telling him to his face that Hawkfrost was evil, that he didn't believe Mudclaw was intolerably foolish. Hawkfrost was being judged because someone with nothing to lose had ratted him out as a conspirator, not because of his heritage. But didn't he and Squirrelflight have their argument wayyyy before that was revealed? And if not...it's Mudclaw You have Bramblestar's brother, a guy he really had no reason to suspect before, who through his eyes, was going through the similar stuff that he was going to, vs the words of a guy who Bramblestar never got along with. |
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Dec 5, 2019 18:30:48 GMT -5
This was how I felt, too, when Squirrelflight's Hope came out. Sure, Bramblestar has done wrong, but Squirrelflight isn't perfect, either. He gets too much hate from the fandom. Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. It seriously annoys me for people get so mad at him for holding it against her for so long. I’m sorry but in real life that’s something people and do never forgive someone for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:36:15 GMT -5
Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. It seriously annoys me for people get so mad at him for holding it against her for so long. I’m sorry but in real life that’s something people and do never forgive someone for. Right? I know if I was in that situation, I would not forgive them at all. |
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Dec 5, 2019 18:39:00 GMT -5
It seriously annoys me for people get so mad at him for holding it against her for so long. I’m sorry but in real life that’s something people and do never forgive someone for. Right? I know if I was in that situation, I would not forgive them at all. Exactly. It’s a horrible thing to do to the people and to the children. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:04:15 GMT -5
Right? I know if I was in that situation, I would not forgive them at all. Exactly. It’s a horrible thing to do to the people and to the children. Agreed, during that scene, I was shocked at what Hollyleaf did, and a little amused and glad that she was finally getting a personality. However, I felt soo bad for Brambleclaw, I couldn't stop thinking about how gutted he must have felt. I felt bad for Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 20:08:18 GMT -5
It had a good plot..... the details were what screwed it up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 20:39:23 GMT -5
I totally forgot that I was reading this book, so I'm nowhere near to being finished
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 7, 2019 19:29:09 GMT -5
This was how I felt, too, when Squirrelflight's Hope came out. Sure, Bramblestar has done wrong, but Squirrelflight isn't perfect, either. He gets too much hate from the fandom. Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. If I remember correctly, Leafpool suspected that Hawkfrost was bad. And yeah, I'm sure Bramblestar didn't know how terrible his brother was before Firestar lost a life. Squirrelflight was right, but didn't prove it very well. I would be mad, too, if someone lied to me about the kids I raised with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:30:08 GMT -5
Hollyleaf is loyal, but nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:35:57 GMT -5
Right? This makes me think about the whole Hawkfrost scenario, when everyone seemed to be on Squirrelflight's side. I don't blame him for getting upset with Squirrelflight for not trusting Hawkfrost, even though she was right. I mean, look at it from his perspective, he didn't know that Hawkfrost was a bad guy, all he knew, was that he was his brother,and he was getting judged for the same reason he was judged as a kit and an apprentice. It must have hurt him extra bad to see the cat he was getting super close to judge him like that. Also, the thing regarding the three, I understand that Squirrelflight didn't have much of a choice in the matter, and that maybe Bramblestar should have just dropped her like that. But he spend these kits' whole kit-hoods and apprentice-hoods, and some of their warrior-hoods, believing that he was their father. I'm sure anyone would be upset if they found out that their children weren't really theirs, and that their mate, the cat they're supposed to trust more than anything in the world had been lying to them. I'm sorry to say, but I think that in every major fight they've been in, Bramblestar's been more in the right. If I remember correctly, Leafpool suspected that Hawkfrost was bad. And yeah, I'm sure Bramblestar didn't know how terrible his brother was before Firestar lost a life. Squirrelflight was right, but didn't prove it very well. I would be mad, too, if someone lied to me about the kids I raised with them. Thanks for letting me know  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:41:51 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Leafpool suspected that Hawkfrost was bad. And yeah, I'm sure Bramblestar didn't know how terrible his brother was before Firestar lost a life. Squirrelflight was right, but didn't prove it very well. I would be mad, too, if someone lied to me about the kids I raised with them. Thanks for letting me know Once more, everyone in that overreacts about every little thing |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:43:42 GMT -5
Thanks for letting me know Once more, everyone in that overreacts about every little thing In what? |
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#add8e6
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Warrior Fanatic
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 7, 2019 19:46:07 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Leafpool suspected that Hawkfrost was bad. And yeah, I'm sure Bramblestar didn't know how terrible his brother was before Firestar lost a life. Squirrelflight was right, but didn't prove it very well. I would be mad, too, if someone lied to me about the kids I raised with them. Thanks for letting me know You're welcome. (: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:48:50 GMT -5
Once more, everyone in that overreacts about every little thing In what? Squirrelflight’s Hope |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 19:53:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah I'm on chapter 20 now. I still don't dislike Tigerheartstar or Harestar any more than I did before. Well, I never disliked them, but people say they're awful in this book. Everything they've been saying makes sense from their perspective, and I'll continue to feel that way, until they get knowledge that Moonlight is expecting kits. Then, if they still try to drive her out after that, my opinion of them might sour a little. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:03:33 GMT -5
Oh yeah I'm on chapter 20 now. I still don't dislike Tigerheartstar or Harestar any more than I did before. Well, I never disliked them, but people say they're awful in this book. Everything they've been saying makes sense from their perspective, and I'll continue to feel that way, until they get knowledge that Moonlight is expecting kits. Then, if they still try to drive her out after that, my opinion of them might sour a little. They need to get off Moonlight’s back |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:08:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah I'm on chapter 20 now. I still don't dislike Tigerheartstar or Harestar any more than I did before. Well, I never disliked them, but people say they're awful in this book. Everything they've been saying makes sense from their perspective, and I'll continue to feel that way, until they get knowledge that Moonlight is expecting kits. Then, if they still try to drive her out after that, my opinion of them might sour a little. They need to get off Moonlight’s back True However, if you think about it from their perspective.. WindClan and RiverClan are right to be mad about seeing prey that could feed their clans go to waste.
However, if they take that land back, then ThunderClan and ShadowClan's territory will be shrunken.
WindClan and ThunderClan had the best idea, by sharing the strip of moorland until The Sisters move.
I don't know why ShadowClan and RiverClan can't do the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:16:36 GMT -5
They need to get off Moonlight’s back True However, if you think about it from their perspective.. WindClan and RiverClan are right to be mad about seeing prey that could feed their clans go to waste.
However, if they take that land back, then ThunderClan and ShadowClan's territory will be shrunken.
WindClan and ThunderClan had the best idea, by sharing the strip of moorland until The Sisters move.
I don't know why ShadowClan and RiverClan can't do the same. Yeah, but she is fricken pregnant!!! They need to chill out. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 21:30:06 GMT -5
True However, if you think about it from their perspective.. WindClan and RiverClan are right to be mad about seeing prey that could feed their clans go to waste.
However, if they take that land back, then ThunderClan and ShadowClan's territory will be shrunken.
WindClan and ThunderClan had the best idea, by sharing the strip of moorland until The Sisters move.
I don't know why ShadowClan and RiverClan can't do the same. Yeah, but she is fricken pregnant!!! They need to chill out. They don't know that though. All they know is that they held a leader and deputy hostage. Also, they permanently deafened Strikestone in one of his ears, he was mentioned to be one of ShadowClan's best warriors, and now, he'll probably never be the warrior he was before. Not to mention he's the son of Tigerheartstar's sister, and their family has shown to be extremely close. Also, ShadowClan lost a huge chunk of their warriors because of outside cats. I think he is 100% valid in being wary of them. |
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Post by Hawkflower on Dec 7, 2019 23:01:56 GMT -5
I'm getting a little annoyed at all the kits this, kits that.
Like EVERY single scene, Squirrelflight thinks about kits, it's almost as frustrating as Hollyleaf and the Warrior Code.
I understand that she's an old cat, and what more kits, but does it really have to be mentioned every single scene?
I know a lot of people hate Bramblestar in this book, but so far, I really like him, other than the part with Sunrise, he seems to be one of the nicest most reasonable cats in the book so far.
A lot of things he says make sense.
He's right to put cats he's known his whole life ahead of cats he doesn't even know, cats who held his deputy mate, and the leader of SkyClan hostage, especially after what happened with Darktail.
Right now, I'm on the part where they think ShadowClan poisoned the fresh-kill pile...it was the ghost of Juniperclaw...just kidding.
I'm sad to say, that I'm not as much into this SE as I wish I was.
Though, I do love seeing more of Harestar.
I hope they create a female character in Warriors that does not want kits. I feel like we got to see a bit of that in Twigbranch, but I think she just wants to be kit-less for the time being rather than never wanting kits. Only time will tell. I wasn’t totally annoyed with Squirrelflight in this book and her kit fever, but considering she already had three foster kits and two of her own, it was a tad irritating. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 23:20:19 GMT -5
I'm getting a little annoyed at all the kits this, kits that.
Like EVERY single scene, Squirrelflight thinks about kits, it's almost as frustrating as Hollyleaf and the Warrior Code.
I understand that she's an old cat, and what more kits, but does it really have to be mentioned every single scene?
I know a lot of people hate Bramblestar in this book, but so far, I really like him, other than the part with Sunrise, he seems to be one of the nicest most reasonable cats in the book so far.
A lot of things he says make sense.
He's right to put cats he's known his whole life ahead of cats he doesn't even know, cats who held his deputy mate, and the leader of SkyClan hostage, especially after what happened with Darktail.
Right now, I'm on the part where they think ShadowClan poisoned the fresh-kill pile...it was the ghost of Juniperclaw...just kidding.
I'm sad to say, that I'm not as much into this SE as I wish I was.
Though, I do love seeing more of Harestar.
I hope they create a female character in Warriors that does not want kits. I feel like we got to see a bit of that in Twigbranch, but I think she just wants to be kit-less for the time being rather than never wanting kits. Only time will tell. I wasn’t totally annoyed with Squirrelflight in this book and her kit fever, but considering she already had three foster kits and two of her own, it was a tad irritating. I understand her wanting to have kits, and I don't dislike the fact that she wants kits, I think it'd be super cute, also, the names that she picked out for them, Meadowkit, Gladekit, and Bluekit, were super cute.
Well, Meadowkit and Gladekit are, Bluekit's alright.
Meadow has only been used twice, and Glade has never been used, and I think they're both beautiful names. I just hated how it was mentioned EVERY single chapter. |
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Post by Flamefrost on Dec 8, 2019 8:09:58 GMT -5
I hope they create a female character in Warriors that does not want kits. I feel like we got to see a bit of that in Twigbranch, but I think she just wants to be kit-less for the time being rather than never wanting kits. Only time will tell. I wasn’t totally annoyed with Squirrelflight in this book and her kit fever, but considering she already had three foster kits and two of her own, it was a tad irritating. This! And for the love of StarClan, show a couple that loves each other but doesnt want kits. I get so annoyed that in media the only "reasonable" situations that a healthy adult wouldn't want kids is infertility or the inability to find a partner.
I get that it would be, ahem, more difficult for them to avoid having kits, but given that in Warriors kits are magically conceived, I think this wouldn't exactly be too far-fetched.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 8:38:38 GMT -5
I hope they create a female character in Warriors that does not want kits. I feel like we got to see a bit of that in Twigbranch, but I think she just wants to be kit-less for the time being rather than never wanting kits. Only time will tell. I wasn’t totally annoyed with Squirrelflight in this book and her kit fever, but considering she already had three foster kits and two of her own, it was a tad irritating. This! And for the love of StarClan, show a couple that loves each other but doesnt want kits. I get so annoyed that in media the only "reasonable" situations that a healthy adult wouldn't want kids is infertility or the inability to find a partner.
I get that it would be, ahem, more difficult for them to avoid having kits, but given that in Warriors kits are magically conceived, I think this wouldn't exactly be too far-fetched.
It is actually a female’s instinct to want kits to have more of their kind so they don’t go extinct. |
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 8, 2019 9:26:14 GMT -5
This! And for the love of StarClan, show a couple that loves each other but doesnt want kits. I get so annoyed that in media the only "reasonable" situations that a healthy adult wouldn't want kids is infertility or the inability to find a partner.
I get that it would be, ahem, more difficult for them to avoid having kits, but given that in Warriors kits are magically conceived, I think this wouldn't exactly be too far-fetched.
It is actually a female’s instinct to want kits to have more of their kind so they don’t go extinct. I mean, yeah, but let’s be honest here, the Warrior cats act nothing like how they would instinctually. If they did that, then the males would kill all the tom kits and they wouldn’t have giant Clans of cats, anyway. Also humans have the same natural instincts to produce more of their kind but there are still people who don’t want kids. And these cats are much, much more humans in cat bodies than they are cats |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:32:38 GMT -5
It is actually a female’s instinct to want kits to have more of their kind so they don’t go extinct. I mean, yeah, but let’s be honest here, the Warrior cats act nothing like how they would instinctually. If they did that, then the males would kill all the tom kits and they wouldn’t have giant Clans of cats, anyway. Also humans have the same natural instincts to produce more of their kind but there are still people who don’t want kids. And these cats are much, much more humans in cat bodies than they are cats Actually, there have been like groups of feral cats, that all live together, and the female cats help to raise the young together. That's kind of like a clan, I guess But I agree with your point that they're more like people than they are like cats. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:37:24 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, but let’s be honest here, the Warrior cats act nothing like how they would instinctually. If they did that, then the males would kill all the tom kits and they wouldn’t have giant Clans of cats, anyway. Also humans have the same natural instincts to produce more of their kind but there are still people who don’t want kids. And these cats are much, much more humans in cat bodies than they are cats Actually, there have been like groups of feral cats, that all live together, and the female cats help to raise the young together. That's kind of like a clan, I guess But I agree with your point that they're more like people than they are like cats. Yea, they talk for God’s sake. Yes, I know it’s in kitty language, but I thought they did like tail language and hissing means they’re mad etc. etc. |
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Post by wildshadow2 on Dec 8, 2019 9:38:28 GMT -5
ChickenI meant more like massive clans. Like the smallish ones from the first series would make sense, but the ones in the recent books are enormous. Sorry for not being more specific!
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Post by Hawkflower on Dec 8, 2019 9:38:41 GMT -5
This! And for the love of StarClan, show a couple that loves each other but doesnt want kits. I get so annoyed that in media the only "reasonable" situations that a healthy adult wouldn't want kids is infertility or the inability to find a partner.
I get that it would be, ahem, more difficult for them to avoid having kits, but given that in Warriors kits are magically conceived, I think this wouldn't exactly be too far-fetched.
It is actually a female’s instinct to want kits to have more of their kind so they don’t go extinct. It’s the instinct of pretty much all living beings to want to procreate and give life—which is not the point of this. I think it would be nice for Warriors to portray different opinions in a society that is so focused on producing kits (similar to ours) since there are warriors, like Twigbranch, that are not as kit-centric as someone like Squirrelflight. |
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