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Post by SmugGull on Apr 15, 2019 11:04:14 GMT -5
ksldf;hg;dfhgaks -
Yeah that's fair. Poor Sunstar, he's not gonna know what hit him. His only solace is that she treated Flightstar the exact same. Just...less often.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Apr 16, 2019 13:48:16 GMT -5
anyways! im still the biggest member of the sunstar love squad. I LOVE him. he's doing his best ok!
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 16, 2019 15:37:36 GMT -5
I don't think I ever settled where my cats stand re: Sunstar so here we go The Sunstar Debacle - Quailfang is largely neutral. He is skeptical of Sunstar's leadership abilities but unwilling to go against him without outside influence, but if he is presented with evidence that Sunstar's leadership is harming the clan (and that something can be done about it) he will take action.
- Windstep is fond of Sunstar - he reminds her of her kits - and is unlikely to move against him because of that. However, she will ultimately side with her family. If her family is split, she will likely refuse to take sides, instead concerning herself with ensuring they remain intact.
- Redwing respects and looks up to Sunstar. His endorsement of Beepaw and Hornetpaw actually goes a long way towards her acceptance of them. She sympathizes with his struggles as a leader, viewing it much the same as her increasing anxieties surrounding her kits.
- Scorchkit idolizes Sunstar. He's also a kit.
- Reedfoot is irritated as Sunstar's lack of confidence and believes that any leader worth their salt should be able to have a decent shouting match in camp without their image crumbling. In Sunstar's case, he doesn't have much image left to crumble. However, she respects StarClan's choice - without a sign from StarClan declaring Sunstar to be the wrongful leader, Reedfoot will not move against him. (That doesn't mean he's immune to criticism. She'd criticize Stormstar if she ever met him.)
- Foxbite is mild-mannered and inoffensive - he follows orders and not much else and enjoys helping. He'll stay out of any conflict, concerning himself with the welfare of the queens, kits, and elders, as well as his sister and daughter.
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Post by owlspots on Apr 17, 2019 6:32:34 GMT -5
That's really interesting to read! I think I'll do the same with my characters in a little while, and if anybody else wants to then I encourage you to do the same! ^^
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 19, 2019 16:51:13 GMT -5
smokey I was thinking that, since the half-moon is gonna overlap with the patrol's return, that Reedfoot could go to the Starlake alone and leave Winterpaw in charge? It could be a good opportunity for him to really step up to the plate and prove himself worthy of a full name.
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Post by owlspots on Apr 19, 2019 17:12:09 GMT -5
Plumpaw highkey thinks Winterpaw is really cool after he gave her the bark for her tooth-and-jaw-ache and didn't laugh at her when she admitted she fell on her face so she's gonna be all hands on deck trying to help the poor dude out even if she doesn't know anything about herbs
This is going to be such good character development for Winterpaw I can feel it in my bones
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 19, 2019 17:14:53 GMT -5
I can't WAIT Reedfoot is gonna come back like "I was gone for FIVE MINUTES WHAT THE HELL."
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 19, 2019 17:17:32 GMT -5
I know this, and I love him. So does Reedfoot, even if she'll never admit it.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Apr 19, 2019 18:47:09 GMT -5
nobody:
my brain: ymac by village people amv with sunstar and hornet and bee
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Post by zero on Apr 19, 2019 18:59:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused right now. I thought Cedarheart was going to attack camp with his group to reclaim his kits. But is the group broken up right now? What is the state of the rogues? idk if I missed anything or maybe I'm just too tired to understand anything. ;.;
Also, I love everyone's characters. This is such a good group and I am ready for that drama to go down.
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 19, 2019 19:02:41 GMT -5
Cedarheart's not going to be a plot for a little bit - I think he's going to happen some time later, after the mountain lion patrol, which is where most of the focus is right now. They are a little scattered at the moment, I think? But not too badly (Cedarheart also doesn't want to take the kits away from their mother while they're too young to survive without her and he doesn't...really know how kits work so he doesn't want to risk it.)
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Post by zero on Apr 19, 2019 19:06:56 GMT -5
okay okay. I got you. I kinda assumed we were going to meet him and the rogues later. I just thought they would still be a group and I didn't really understand when the attack on camp happened. But I think I understand now. Thanks. ^^
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 19, 2019 19:07:58 GMT -5
(Honestly? Fair. My rogues are all related because I love playing families but who knows where they are in relation to the others.)
No worries Zero! There's a lot going on right now.
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Post by owlspots on Apr 20, 2019 4:52:42 GMT -5
Yeah Cedarheart and his group will be in the background for now! ^^ A few of them, like Luna and Milo, scattered after the attack on StormClan's camp but most remained behind as a group. Harvey stayed with them because he didn't want to be chased down and called a coward, but he really wishes he'd left with Luna and Milo.
I think we should slowly integrate the group into the plot with hints and brief mentions until the mountain lion plot is dealt with and then start to have things build up, if that's okay with everybody!
I don't think I'm going to have Sunstar meet Harvey or at least recognise him for a while tbh
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Apr 20, 2019 10:57:33 GMT -5
my biggest fear with this is getting too attached to my rogue children because then ill want to actually keep them around ,,, jfjgjkd
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Post by owlspots on Apr 20, 2019 11:25:02 GMT -5
Woah if some of Cedarheart's rogues want to join the Clan...there's gonna be some serious chaos. Part of me wants to have Sunstar be absolutely ecstatic over the fact that his brother isn't actually dead and immediately let him and his friends into the Clan as long as he vouches for them, but another part of me wants Sunstar to see the fact that Harvey ran with Cedarheart the traitor and the rogues that attacked StormClan more than he sees the fact that Harvey is literally his brother who he thought was dead
I feel like letting the 'good' rogues in would be a very Sunstar thing to do, because he's trusting by nature and the discovery that he has living family would likely make him really emotional and he'd get attached again really quickly hmmmmm or should I have the fact that half the Clan thinks he's off his rocker hit him really hard
Maybe the fight with the rogues marks the end of a couple of my characters.........because we need a few deaths and I've got more characters than I have braincells. Might mess around and kill off one or two...maybe Sunstar loses a life......hmm
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 20, 2019 11:41:23 GMT -5
I can totally see Sunstar trying to vouch for the good rogues — especially if those rogues turn against the group at some point and help the clan cats. I know I'd love for Shrike to join the clan, but I can also see him being really attached to Harvey as well as his little siblings? So it could go either way
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Apr 20, 2019 11:50:05 GMT -5
update i havent even played pickle or odysseus at all and im already in love with both of them uh oh. poor sunstar is really gonna get it, huh. i feel like if he invites the rogues in then that'll REALLY be the straw that breaks the camels back. civil war here we come
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 20, 2019 11:53:37 GMT -5
I'm so tempted to photoshop a Captain America post to say "Warrior Cats - Civil War" but also I'm not that good with photoshop. Redwing would lose her entire mind over that decision oh my god.
Honestly? Quailfang could be a surprisingly good candidate. He wouldn't be thrilled about the whole thing, but from what I gather he's got the respect and clout to be a formidable opponent to Sunstar, and he could actually be a decent leader. The trick is, y'know, convincing him to actually rebel. Puppet leader, anyone.
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Post by 𝗟𝗢𝗨𝗜𝗘〡𝑟𝑦𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑢𝑘𝑎 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 on Apr 20, 2019 11:57:01 GMT -5
i think rushfall is a good contender for rebellion leader tbqh... he's never liked sunstar and always thought that he should be in his place when sunstar got appointed deputy.. he's strong and big and seems to have the admiration of a lot of the younger generation cats like owlswoop, so i think like maybe him and a couple others get the thing going for real
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Post by owlspots on Apr 20, 2019 11:57:56 GMT -5
Has Harvey taken on the cool, fun uncle role in the group? Absolutely
Sunny would definitely make a case for his brother if not the others as well, and would argue that Harvey was Clan once, and once he got Harvey's side of the story about the attack on StormClan and found out how he'd never been involved with the attack, he'd start demanding to know whether anybody had seen Harvey in the attack at all and if he hadn't been there, he shouldn't be seen as an enemy. He'd probably be temporarily blinded by the fact that his brother is alive and back and would be really hard to reason with for a while, because he'd refuse to abandon his brother again. Although I really do like the idea of Sunstar being slightly out of it, not fully recognising his brother even if Harvey recognises him, and being all "How can I really trust your word if there's no proof? We might be brothers but I don't know you"
I see Sun as the sort of guy who'd try really hard to reach a compromise? So if the Clan wanted nothing to do with the rogues at all, but the good rogues were desperate to get away from the rest of their group he'd be adamant that they had to find a middle-ground somehow
I think Sun's going to lose his first life in the rogue battle and have a bit of a breakdown because some of his Clanmates died. My candidates for death at the moment are Willownose, Rosebloom and Plumpaw; Willownose would likely go down defending a Clanmate or doing something reckless like fighting too many rogues at once. She's got this issue with needing to prove herself all the time because she failed her assessment and whatnot, so that seems like something she'd do. Rosebloom dying would give Beetlekit and Sootkit character development (Beetlekit might turn into a mini Hawkfrost at some point who knows, kinda tempted to make him a little twisted), and the loss of a queen would be shocking for the Clan. Still working out the consequences that would follow Plumpaw's death, but there's the obvious effect it would have on Streamheart as her mentor
I think both Rushfall and Quailfang would make really good figureheads for the rebellion, and the Moss/Rush divide would be made even more heartbreaking because Sun and Moss are ride or dies and now Moss's brother is leading the rebellion against Sunstar????? Sunstar really respects Quailfang so having Quailfang be involved to such a degree would really hit him hard
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Post by SmugGull on Apr 20, 2019 12:04:23 GMT -5
Oh man Rosebloom dying would be so terrible? I love it. Especially if she dies defending the nursery from Cedarheart (because that's where his kits are, dammit) - Redwing would feel super guilty and immediately want to take Sootkit and Beetlekit under her wing (heh), even if they were already apprentices. She'd be even more paranoid too, now that even the nursery isn't safe. Add in some of the rogues becoming clan members? Hoo boy, she'd be ready to lead the rebellion herself.
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