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mentally dying of animal RP deprivation ;A;
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Post by ~Ƈαммι-`ღ´- on Apr 5, 2018 17:14:32 GMT -5
This is all interesting so far. And I've got two questions. 1. Does Ivypool have her kits in this book, and what are their names? (I know that's two questions already, but...) 2. We now know that Spikefur's already died. Anyone else bit the dust? 1. According to the last chapter I just randomly went to, she had three kits. Bristlekit, Thriftkit and Flipkit. They're only a few days old.
2. Well, we all already know Rowanclaw's dying. Also, according to the last chapter, I was right about a TC cat dying. Briarlight's dead, not sure how yet though. I have to read the rest of the book. So right now, don't know if anyone else dies.
1. And he/she shall be knowneth as... Thriftstore. XD 2. I don't like to sound mean but this is too relieving a discovery to pass up... TOOK 'ER LONG ENOUGH. X'DDD Forgive meh ;u;
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 17:15:09 GMT -5
5? Are you counting the kit that died in TLH. Because I'm pretty sure Spikefur isn't the father. He was an apprentice in BrS. There's a chance he was still a kit.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 17:20:11 GMT -5
1. According to the last chapter I just randomly went to, she had three kits. Bristlekit, Thriftkit and Flipkit. They're only a few days old.
2. Well, we all already know Rowanclaw's dying. Also, according to the last chapter, I was right about a TC cat dying. Briarlight's dead, not sure how yet though. I have to read the rest of the book. So right now, don't know if anyone else dies.
1. And he/she shall be knowneth as... Thriftstore. XD 2. I don't like to sound mean but this is too relieving a discovery to pass up... TOOK 'ER LONG ENOUGH. X'DDD Forgive meh ;u;Lol! XD I thought of the thrift store as well. Thriftkit is a dark gray she-kit.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 17:44:21 GMT -5
Sorry for being a bit excessive with these Twigpaw questions, but I have yet another one. How is Twigpaw as a cat? Not a character, but as a cat? Is she morally in tune? How would you define her besides her need for all five Clans? Well, I don't hate her. She's cute at times and annoying at other times.
She followed the medicine cats to the Moonpool after hearing Alderheart and Jayfeather talk about the prophecy to see if there was anything she could do or learn to help them. When she asked Alderheart about the prophecy later in the book after another half-moon meeting the medicine cats went to, even Alderheart was annoying. He thought about how that was medicine cat business.
She was annoyed that Sparkpelt insisted on training her simple stuff because she already knew all this.
She went out to hunt by herself even though apprentices aren't allowed to go out on their own to catch something to really impress Sparkpelt (I think that's why she did it), though Finpaw saw her leave and went with her. Twigpaw accidently went onto WC territory (I think she tripped). The three WC that caught her were just angry at her for making so much noise that it scared off the rabbit (or was it a hare?) that they were chasing. They insisted on bringing her back to the TC camp to speak to Bramblestar. Though they noted that they knew it was an accident.
When she went with Alderheart and Sparkpelt to collect the watermint she ran off ahead after spotting it, but fell in the water. Sparkpelt was pretty angry at her and also stated that Twigpaw dropped the watermint she collected in the water. Though Alderheart thinks Sparkpelt just might have been scared for her apprentice.
She went to talk to Violetshine about ShC rebuilding herself and seemed sad that she didn't get a warmer reception from her sister. When she finally got Violetshine to agree to help, she said that they needed to talk to Leafstar first. Twigpaw didn't want to do that because she didn't think that she was Leafstar favourite cat after leaving. Violetshine was annoyed at that thinking about how it wasn't about Twigpaw. She told her sister that she wasn't about it go do mutiny against her Clan leader for this.
When there was a fire at the RC camp, Twigpaw went over to help Softpaw who had gotten trapped on that side and was covered with soot. Twigpaw fell in the river, but was saved. (I'm still impressed by Finpaw. Like Bramblestar said, Finpaw is full of surprises)
When Finpaw's littermates warrior names were announced at the Gathering, she noticed that Finpaw didn't seem to be jealous at all. So she resolved not to be jealous either.
During her assessment near the end of the book, she did a great leap to catch a bird. Then she saw Finpaw chasing after a rabbit and helped him catch it. Larksong and Sparkpelt saw that scene and praised both apprentices for their teamwork to catch the rabbit. Sparkpelt was also really impressed by how Twigpaw caught her bird.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 5, 2018 17:44:47 GMT -5
What about the landslide? Was that mentioned at all?
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 17:51:35 GMT -5
What about the landslide? Was that mentioned at all? Not that I recall.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 5, 2018 17:51:45 GMT -5
*Faith*, Twigpaw seems even more annoying somehow. Wonderful... But at least she seems to be growing, I guess?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 5, 2018 17:52:55 GMT -5
Well, at least she lets them know why she left. And Daisy is so sweet. How does Bumblestripe react to her taking Tigerheart for a mate and joining ShadowClan, if we see his reaction at all? Bumblestripe went up to Dovewing and dipped his head stiffly to her, telling Dovewing that he's glad she's alright. Alderheart could tell that he meant it, but Alderheart also recognized the hurt in his voice. Alderheart knows that these two used to be mates, briefly. *BIG SIGH* Bumble deserves better than this crap.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 5, 2018 17:55:12 GMT -5
*Faith*, do you think you can you post the scene where Dovewing comes back to the Clan?
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Asexual
Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 5, 2018 18:09:14 GMT -5
Sorry for being a bit excessive with these Twigpaw questions, but I have yet another one. How is Twigpaw as a cat? Not a character, but as a cat? Is she morally in tune? How would you define her besides her need for all five Clans? Well, I don't hate her. She's cute at times and annoying at other times.
She followed the medicine cats to the Moonpool after hearing Alderheart and Jayfeather talk about the prophecy to see if there was anything she could do or learn to help them. When she asked Alderheart about the prophecy later in the book after another half-moon meeting the medicine cats went to, even Alderheart was annoying. He thought about how that was medicine cat business.
She was annoyed that Sparkpelt insisted on training her simple stuff because she already knew all this.
She went out to hunt by herself even though apprentices aren't allowed to go out on their own to catch something to really impress Sparkpelt (I think that's why she did it), though Finpaw saw her leave and went with her. Twigpaw accidently went onto WC territory (I think she tripped). The three WC that caught her were just angry at her for making so much noise that it scared off the rabbit (or was it a hare?) that they were chasing. They insisted on bringing her back to the TC camp to speak to Bramblestar. Though they noted that they knew it was an accident.
When she went with Alderheart and Sparkpelt to collect the watermint she ran off ahead after spotting it, but fell in the water. Sparkpelt was pretty angry at her and also stated that Twigpaw dropped the watermint she collected in the water. Though Alderheart thinks Sparkpelt just might have been scared for her apprentice.
She went to talk to Violetshine about ShC rebuilding herself and seemed sad that she didn't get a warmer reception from her sister. When she finally got Violetshine to agree to help, she said that they needed to talk to Leafstar first. Twigpaw didn't want to do that because she didn't think that she was Leafstar favourite cat after leaving. Violetshine was annoyed at that thinking about how it wasn't about Twigpaw. She told her sister that she wasn't about it go do mutiny against her Clan leader for this.
When there was a fire at the RC camp, Twigpaw went over to help Softpaw who had gotten trapped on that side and was covered with soot. Twigpaw fell in the river, but was saved. (I'm still impressed by Finpaw. Like Bramblestar said, Finpaw is full of surprises)
When Finpaw's littermates warrior names were announced at the Gathering, she noticed that Finpaw didn't seem to be jealous at all. So she resolved not to be jealous either.
During her assessment near the end of the book, she did a great leap to catch a bird. Then she saw Finpaw chasing after a rabbit and helped him catch it. Larksong and Sparkpelt saw that scene and praised both apprentices for their teamwork to catch the rabbit. Sparkpelt was also really impressed by how Twigpaw caught her bird.
This!!! is!!! not!!! improvement!!! Only the last three are good events, from the sounds of things! Good god.
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Asexual
Mayflower
I am a Daisy and Ferncloud stan first, and a human being second
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Post by Mayflower on Apr 5, 2018 18:11:20 GMT -5
5? Are you counting the kit that died in TLH. Because I'm pretty sure Spikefur isn't the father. He was an apprentice in BrS. There's a chance he was still a kit. Yeah, the one that was seen dead in the battle when Lionblaze went to ShadowClan's camp! The timelines and relationships are so messed up that this slipped my mind about him not being the dad. Hmmm...I wonder who her mate was then? When I looked at the wikia, if there was only one mate listed, I assumed that was the parent of all the litters, since that seems to be how the Erins write it nowadays, opposed to the first series.
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ratman
23/12/03—19/09/21 (thank you madie)
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Post by ratman on Apr 5, 2018 18:24:44 GMT -5
5? Are you counting the kit that died in TLH. Because I'm pretty sure Spikefur isn't the father. He was an apprentice in BrS. There's a chance he was still a kit. Yeah, the one that was seen dead in the battle when Lionblaze went to ShadowClan's camp! The timelines and relationships are so messed up that this slipped my mind about him not being the dad. Hmmm...I wonder who her mate was then? When I looked at the wikia, if there was only one mate listed, I assumed that was the parent of all the litters, since that seems to be how the Erins write it nowadays, opposed to the first series. we have it like that because we dont know either. we dont assume mates, or even the gender of mates until it says.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 5, 2018 18:27:06 GMT -5
Well, I don't hate her. She's cute at times and annoying at other times.
She followed the medicine cats to the Moonpool after hearing Alderheart and Jayfeather talk about the prophecy to see if there was anything she could do or learn to help them. When she asked Alderheart about the prophecy later in the book after another half-moon meeting the medicine cats went to, even Alderheart was annoying. He thought about how that was medicine cat business.
She was annoyed that Sparkpelt insisted on training her simple stuff because she already knew all this.
She went out to hunt by herself even though apprentices aren't allowed to go out on their own to catch something to really impress Sparkpelt (I think that's why she did it), though Finpaw saw her leave and went with her. Twigpaw accidently went onto WC territory (I think she tripped). The three WC that caught her were just angry at her for making so much noise that it scared off the rabbit (or was it a hare?) that they were chasing. They insisted on bringing her back to the TC camp to speak to Bramblestar. Though they noted that they knew it was an accident.
When she went with Alderheart and Sparkpelt to collect the watermint she ran off ahead after spotting it, but fell in the water. Sparkpelt was pretty angry at her and also stated that Twigpaw dropped the watermint she collected in the water. Though Alderheart thinks Sparkpelt just might have been scared for her apprentice.
She went to talk to Violetshine about ShC rebuilding herself and seemed sad that she didn't get a warmer reception from her sister. When she finally got Violetshine to agree to help, she said that they needed to talk to Leafstar first. Twigpaw didn't want to do that because she didn't think that she was Leafstar favourite cat after leaving. Violetshine was annoyed at that thinking about how it wasn't about Twigpaw. She told her sister that she wasn't about it go do mutiny against her Clan leader for this.
When there was a fire at the RC camp, Twigpaw went over to help Softpaw who had gotten trapped on that side and was covered with soot. Twigpaw fell in the river, but was saved. (I'm still impressed by Finpaw. Like Bramblestar said, Finpaw is full of surprises)
When Finpaw's littermates warrior names were announced at the Gathering, she noticed that Finpaw didn't seem to be jealous at all. So she resolved not to be jealous either.
During her assessment near the end of the book, she did a great leap to catch a bird. Then she saw Finpaw chasing after a rabbit and helped him catch it. Larksong and Sparkpelt saw that scene and praised both apprentices for their teamwork to catch the rabbit. Sparkpelt was also really impressed by how Twigpaw caught her bird.
This!!! is!!! not!!! improvement!!! Only the last three are good events, from the sounds of things! Good god. And it's sad that Twigpaw is like this, because I genuinely do want to like her, but she just seems to get worse with each book. I still like Dovewing just fine, but I can't seem to like Twigpaw all that much despite the two being similar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 18:58:05 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know how to feel about Twigpaw. She just doesn't sound like she's matured at all, and she's a full grown cat by now. I'm sort of disappointed in her..
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 19:24:22 GMT -5
Nice book I'm in that series too! Which one is that I'm on#4 The darkest night in The darkest night Finpaws tail is cut off in order to save him when a big branch falls on his tail! Plus this one is really good because Fin(n) is my real life name LOL
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 5, 2018 19:31:03 GMT -5
Nice book I'm in that series too! Which one is that I'm on#4 The darkest night in The darkest night Finpaws tail is cut off in order to save him when a big branch falls on his tail! Plus this one is really good because Fin(n) is my real life name LOL The spoiler tag isn't really necessary, and this book is the fifth one in the arc.
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 19:35:09 GMT -5
Also I can't look at the posters unless I own the book because the library tapes the floppy book cover to the hard cover because of little kids idk if this works but copy and paste on the internet if it doesnt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 19:41:47 GMT -5
Idk, I have mixed feelings about Twigbranch.
A lot of the mistakes that she's made have mostly been that she's either clumbsy or just not making smart decisions. Then when she makes all these mistakes she either blames others or pretends nothing is wrong.
And it's weird because sometimes her mistakes feel like they're on purpose and other times it just feels like she's rather impulsive by nature and doesn't think through things. Despite scolding after scolding after scolding I just get a sense that it's something she kind of lacks. Cause it's one thing to openly rebel against what you're told, it's another to act like no one has ever told you anything your entire freakin life.
She just seems awkwardly oblivious. And I don't think she'll change. Maybe she'll become more obedient to directions, but I think they'll always be guided blindly by her own personal emotions and views on situations. I think that's just how she is.
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 20:13:35 GMT -5
Idk if Twigbranch got a mate because I'm on the fourth one but I feel like she had a crush on Finpaw and she acts weird and needs to follow directions. She went in to see Finpaw in the medicine den when he didn't want visitors and they told her that too. I don't know about my feelings towards twigbranch yet.
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 20:19:03 GMT -5
You know what your right that wasn't necessary to right that considering the young kids around here. sorry!
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 5, 2018 20:21:51 GMT -5
You know what your right that wasn't necessary to right that considering the young kids around here. sorry! You've gotta be 13 to be on here, not exactly small children
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 20:24:07 GMT -5
Ok good thing. Lol
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Post by Mistybreeze on Apr 5, 2018 22:06:53 GMT -5
I might have missed it, but do we have descriptions for Yarrowleaf's kits?
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 22:12:59 GMT -5
Hmm idk but do you become an apprentice by leveling up? Or just changeing and how do you get star
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 22:15:58 GMT -5
Mistybreeze did yarrow leaf have too much yarrow when she was a kitten? LOL sorry I can't help it
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 22:33:37 GMT -5
*Faith* , do you think you can you post the scene where Dovewing comes back to the Clan? At first Twigbranch simply dipped her head to Alderheart as he entered, but when she saw Dovewing and her kits following him, she let out an excited squeal, completely forgetting the rule that she should stay silent.
"Dovewing!"
Her cry echoed around the camp. For a moment it was followed by silence; then cats came bundling out of the warrior' den, racing across the camp to surround Dovewing and the kits. Graystripe and Millie bounded over from their nests under the hazel bush, while Jayfeather and Leafpool appeared, blinking, at the entrance to the medicine cats' den.
So Leafpool is home from RiverClan, Alderheart thought, pleased to see her again.
Fastest of all, Ivypool shot out of the nursery and skidded to a halt beside her sister, pressing up against her and drinking in her scent. For a few moments she was unable to speak, she was purring so hard.
"Where have you been?" Dovewing's father, Birchfall, thrust his way through the crowd, with her mother, Whitewing, hard on his paws. "We thought you were dead."
"It's so wonderful to see you again!" Whitewing exclaimed.
Dovewing seemed almost overwhelmed at first, trying to answer every question at once, until Ivypool's kits came wriggling their way through the crowd, sniffing inquisitively at the newcomers.
"Are these yours, Ivypool?" Dovewing asked. "What lovely kits!"
"Yes, they're mine and Fernsong's," Ivypool replied proudly. "This is Bristlekit, this is Thriftkit, and this is Flipkit."
"They're kind of small," Lightkit remarked, stepping up warily to touch noses with Bristlekit. "Not like us!"
"They're only a few days old," Ivypool explained. "Their eyes only opened this morning."
"They're beautiful!" Dovewing introduced her own kits, explaining to them, "These kits are your kin. Their mother is my sister, Ivypool--you remember I told you about her."
The two set of kits examined each other with wide-open eyes. "It's great to have kin," Pouncekit mewed with a purr of satisfaction.
Bumblestripe, who had been Dovewing's mate for a brief time, padded up and dipped his head stiffly to her. "I'm glad you're okay," he told her.
Alderheart could tell that he really meant it, but at the same time he recognized the hurt in Bumblestripe's voice. It can't be easy, knowing she chose to be with a cat from another Clan.
"And there's more to tell you," Alderheart meowed. "Tigerstar is alive."
His news caused barely a ripple among the Clan; they were all too focused on Dovewing's unexpected return.
"Yes, these are Tigerstar's kits," Dovewing added. "He's my mate now. I had to leave, because I was afraid I wouldn't be welcome here anymore, carrying kits with a father from ShadowClan."
For a moment there was an awkward pause, the ThunderClan cats exchanging doubtful glances. Alderheart supposed it was asking a bit much for them to be thrilled with the news that Tigerstar was the father of Dovewing's kits.
"Well, a lot of things have changed between the Clans," Squirrelflight declared at last. "Anyway, Dovewing, we're just happy that you're back."
"And there was another reason I left," Dovewing went on. "I was having terrible dreams where our nursery was destroyed and my kits died."
A murmur of sympathy rose from the surrounding cats.
"I wish you'd let me know, Daisy mewed, stroking Dovewing's shoulder with her tail-tip. "I could have told you that all she-cats have weird dreams when they're expecting kits."
Dovewing flicked her tail, looking irritated. "I did what I thought was best."
Alderheart wasn't so sure that they had just been the weird dreams of a queen expecting kits. He remembered that the nursery had been damaged in the storm, though Cinderheart's and Blossomfall's kits had been safely bedded down with the elders. But who knows what might have happened to Dovewing's kits, if they'd been here? "Just a moment." Bramblestar, who had listened to all this in thoughtful silence, took a pace forward. "Did I hear you say Tigerstar? What did happen at the Moonpool?
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I'll type the rest tomorrow.
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Post by *Faith* on Apr 5, 2018 22:36:02 GMT -5
Also, before I leave, Mothwing was badly burned in the fire at RC. So Leafpool was helping RC out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 22:44:48 GMT -5
*Faith* , do you think you can you post the scene where Dovewing comes back to the Clan? At first Twigbranch simply dipped her head to Alderheart as he entered, but when she saw Dovewing and her kits following him, she let out an excited squeal, completely forgetting the rule that she should stay silent.
"Dovewing!"
Her cry echoed around the camp. For a moment it was followed by silence; then cats came bundling out of the warrior' den, racing across the camp to surround Dovewing and the kits. Graystripe and Millie bounded over from their nests under the hazel bush, while Jayfeather and Leafpool appeared, blinking, at the entrance to the medicine cats' den.
So Leafpool is home from RiverClan, Alderheart thought, pleased to see her again.
Fastest of all, Ivypool shot out of the nursery and skidded to a halt beside her sister, pressing up against her and drinking in her scent. For a few moments she was unable to speak, she was purring so hard.
"Where have you been?" Dovewing's father, Birchfall, thrust his way through the crowd, with her mother, Whitewing, hard on his paws. "We thought you were dead."
"It's so wonderful to see you again!" Whitewing exclaimed.
Dovewing seemed almost overwhelmed at first, trying to answer every question at once, until Ivypool's kits came wriggling their way through the crowd, sniffing inquisitively at the newcomers.
"Are these yours, Ivypool?" Dovewing asked. "What lovely kits!"
"Yes, they're mine and Fernsong's," Ivypool replied proudly. "This is Bristlekit, this is Thriftkit, and this is Flipkit."
"They're kind of small," Lightkit remarked, stepping up warily to touch noses with Bristlekit. "Not like us!"
"They're only a few days old," Ivypool explained. "Their eyes only opened this morning."
"They're beautiful!" Dovewing introduced her own kits, explaining to them, "These kits are your kin. Their mother is my sister, Ivypool--you remember I told you about her."
The two set of kits examined each other with wide-open eyes. "It's great to have kin," Pouncekit mewed with a purr of satisfaction.
Bumblestripe, who had been Dovewing's mate for a brief time, padded up and dipped his head stiffly to her. "I'm glad you're okay," he told her.
Alderheart could tell that he really meant it, but at the same time he recognized the hurt in Bumblestripe's voice. It can't be easy, knowing she chose to be with a cat from another Clan.
"And there's more to tell you," Alderheart meowed. "Tigerstar is alive."
His news caused barely a ripple among the Clan; they were all too focused on Dovewing's unexpected return.
"Yes, these are Tigerstar's kits," Dovewing added. "He's my mate now. I had to leave, because I was afraid I wouldn't be welcome here anymore, carrying kits with a father from ShadowClan."
For a moment there was an awkward pause, the ThunderClan cats exchanging doubtful glances. Alderheart supposed it was asking a bit much for them to be thrilled with the news that Tigerstar was the father of Dovewing's kits.
"Well, a lot of things have changed between the Clans," Squirrelflight declared at last. "Anyway, Dovewing, we're just happy that you're back."
"And there was another reason I left," Dovewing went on. "I was having terrible dreams where our nursery was destroyed and my kits died."
A murmur of sympathy rose from the surrounding cats.
"I wish you'd let me know, Daisy mewed, stroking Dovewing's shoulder with her tail-tip. "I could have told you that all she-cats have weird dreams when they're expecting kits."
Dovewing flicked her tail, looking irritated. "I did what I thought was best."
Alderheart wasn't so sure that they had just been the weird dreams of a queen expecting kits. He remembered that the nursery had been damaged in the storm, though Cinderheart's and Blossomfall's kits had been safely bedded down with the elders. But who knows what might have happened to Dovewing's kits, if they'd been here? "Just a moment." Bramblestar, who had listened to all this in thoughtful silence, took a pace forward. "Did I hear you say Tigerstar? What did happen at the Moonpool?
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I'll type the rest tomorrow. Will not lie, when Ivypool rushed over to Dovewing, my heart broke a little. Despite its flaws, AVOS has some really good emotional moments.
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Post by suicunetobigaara on Apr 5, 2018 22:59:26 GMT -5
I am happy Bumblestripe has gone a bit weird upon hearing Dovewing is with Tigerstar and they have had kits.
Poor Mothwing, I hope the burns don't affect her too badly.
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Post by ғewp|leaf🍁 on Apr 5, 2018 23:02:29 GMT -5
Also, before I leave, Mothwing was badly burned in the fire at RC. So Leafpool was helping RC out. I understand leaf pool would help but whenever I hear a name if a med cat I get sad because I think of Echosong
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