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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:19:24 GMT -5
Also, I'm quitting tonight, so this is our last discourse together! How exciting. Here's you guys' last chance to say what you need to say to me, I guess. No, but I'm really considering making one soon? It'll probably be aesthetic/writing inspiration, and idk, I might give it out eventually.
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Post by tiger beetle on Oct 19, 2016 20:19:24 GMT -5
realize that we are people--regular people--who are in danger and need things to be better; we need to be accepted, and not just in the "well, I side with the people who want to kill you, but it's okay because I wouldn't kill you" sense realize that not agreeing with our existence is hateful, dangerous, and honestly ridiculous I'm not going to go into the whole disagreement = hate debate, because that's been exhausted and I doubt anyone's mind will change on the matter. My question was more on the grounds of, "What should people who have such a belief do considering this forum?" Like I've said, I don't think anyone's minds on the matter will alter, so I ask what should be done if said people continue in their current belief. Does that make sense? I'm sorry if any of what I'm saying is frustrating. I'm just trying to operate on the assumption that beliefs probably aren't going to change here, so how do we work with what we've got.
stop saying hateful things it…should not be that hard to understand
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Post by Noctis on Oct 19, 2016 20:20:30 GMT -5
That would be an entirely different debate on its own @fading - tldr. Stick to the short snarky comments You should stick to not posting at all because literally no one cares ^ Like this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:22:03 GMT -5
I think we should just ban anti-lgbt talk, but that's me and people who keep provoking lgbt can get a warning/ban
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Oct 19, 2016 20:22:05 GMT -5
You should stick to not posting at all because literally no one cares ^ Like this *rubs my grubby gay hands all over you* do you feel the gay yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:22:23 GMT -5
You should stick to not posting at all because literally no one cares ^ Like this can you just stop posting
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:23:47 GMT -5
No, but I'm really considering making one soon? It'll probably be aesthetic/writing inspiration, and idk, I might give it out eventually. So you're leaving? I know you hate me but best wishes. Hope you get the equal you deserve. I do don't like you much, no. You're kind of very disrespectful. Your thing about how anyone who has strong opinions and expresses them is ~whiny~ and ~takes this too seriously~ might make you feel mature, but it's actually a pretty big sign of immaturity, and I hope you grow out of it. Thanks for the good wishes. Same to you, I guess. Enjoy having one less ~Overly-Opinionated Poster~ on your cat forum.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Oct 19, 2016 20:26:52 GMT -5
James 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? WANT TO GET RELIGIOUS??? READ THE BIBLE AND ACTUALLY KNOW YOUR MATERIAL!!!
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Post by feign on Oct 19, 2016 20:27:24 GMT -5
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Honestly- I've been staying out of the drama for a while because I'm conflicted because I'm actually a Bi Christian- but wow- can I speak up and say this is getting a bit out of hand? No, I'm not talking about the LGBTQ+ people, I'm talking about the other side who thinks they can tell us what to do. noctis, can you please just stop making my brain cells rot? And I agree fully with the post above me, READ. THE. BIBLE.
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Post by mickle on Oct 19, 2016 20:27:38 GMT -5
But it makes no sense for you to seemingly partake in pro-lgbt acts and then turn around and say something as anti-lgtb as "I dont support it." I don't partake in pro-lgbt acts. I partake in pro-human activities. You say treat lgbt+ the same way as you treat others? Yet for some reason you have a different view on them because of who they are? "So while I don't agree with homosexuality, I will still love, respect, and treat people like people. I don't see how this is wrong." Okay then. What exactly do you disagree about?
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 20:27:40 GMT -5
my original post was not directed towards you, it was directed towards verbatim, who i don't think got to read it. the wording of their post made me shudder, as it sounded like they believed that every christian has the same outlook, and it sounded like it included every christian user under the same group. this is exactly my point. hate does not represent the belief of the whole. the problem is what this rule could entail. what language could be used to report someone? what else would be called into question? i am not against the existence of the rule, all i am saying is that it should be created carefully, with precise language so that everyone is happy. Please stop calling me a christian. It's bad enough i have to pretend to be around people who have known me since i was a fetus, even lead them in worship to a god I don't believe in. Also i never questioned your existence? since you exist enough to talk to me i am unsure to how it can be questioned. well it might have been directed at most christian users here aha im not saying it wasn't. and a lot of LGBT people use a general group because that's the group oppressing us even if not every single individual person is not. yes i know that. but idk how it relates to this conversation anymore. i assume that the language would be any aggression or negativity towards the LGBT community and quite frankly i don't care because i am sick and tired of it on this site and it's rampant. also i meant more of the general you and not you specifically. as in "you" the christian community so im sorry i wasn't more specific. also my entire existence is that im a boy but i was designated female at birth (dfab) so basically im trans and a lot of people don't agree that you can change your gender identity and that you should be able to be whoever you want. (: so like yeah. yeah ok i get that. it just kind of annoys me, especially cause i see people out there that aren't christians that are just as homophobic?? idk i hate those people the most because it's not even like they have any particular reasoning, their entire existence is just hate. actually scratch that, anyone's existence that is hate is terrible. eh, just thought i'd finish it out. tbh any negativity and aggression against anyone is bad, though LGBT people are definitely the most often targeted. maybe the solution is a crackdown on those things to ensure positivity instead of negativity? and yeah that sounds cliche but i think that's the aim at this point, to make this a safe place where people can come. thanks for understanding. the forums are the first place i've talked about this, so i'm kinda touchy about it. i've talked to my dad, but he still makes me go to church and stuff, and people there are just so "omg when are you going to lead worship again" and yeah that sucks. :/ lol well those people are wrong... you should be whoever you want especially if it makes you a more confident person. several friends of mine are trans and it's just so incredible to see how much more confident they are and willing to talk now that they've realized their true selves. im actually really glad that this turned out ok, i always thought you were a cool forumer and i started freaking out when i thought i might have upset you. sorry for being so defensive, i can be like that. definitely one of my worst qualities and something i should work on.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Oct 19, 2016 20:28:11 GMT -5
You should stick to not posting at all because literally no one cares ^ Like this Can you please stop before you wear out my nerves, Noctis?
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Post by Yoshimi on Oct 19, 2016 20:28:35 GMT -5
So you're leaving? I know you hate me but best wishes. Hope you get the equal you deserve. I do don't like you much, no. You're kind of very disrespectful. Your thing about how anyone who has strong opinions and expresses them is ~whiny~ and ~takes this too seriously~ might make you feel mature, but it's actually a pretty big sign of immaturity, and I hope you grow out of it. Thanks for the good wishes. Same to you, I guess. Enjoy having one less ~Overly-Opinionated Poster~ on your cat forum. I will work on it, sorry if I come off as rude in my posts, I know it looks like Im trying to look smart by my long posts and big words. I wish I could do more to support gay people but im more of a animal rights person.
Thank you for understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:29:55 GMT -5
I don't partake in pro-lgbt acts. I partake in pro-human activities. Yu say treat lgbt+ the same way as you treat others? Yet for some reason you have a different view on them because of who they are? "So while I don't agree with homosexuality, I will still love, respect, and treat people like people. I don't see how this is wrong." Okay then. What exactly do you disagree about? Someone's sexuality is not entirely who they are. There are other things. So I don't agree with sexuality, I suppose. But that's only one aspect of a person.
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 20:30:05 GMT -5
*rubs my grubby gay hands all over you* do you feel the gay yet? You've peaked my interest
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Post by "not" june on Oct 19, 2016 20:30:23 GMT -5
I didn't mean abandoning in the literal sense. It was my attempt to surmise the LGBT's belief on how not supporting them is the same as hate, because lack of support is the same as lack of love or care for them. •♕• you. literally just described it perfectly. thats exactly what it is •♔• That's not "what we think" tho that's like, what it is. When you don't support someone'a existence guess what, that's hate speech
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 20:30:26 GMT -5
Can someone tell me what sparked this? I wasn't on.
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Oct 19, 2016 20:31:29 GMT -5
*rubs my grubby gay hands all over you* do you feel the gay yet? You've peaked my interest *rubs my grubby gay hands on you too*
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Post by feign on Oct 19, 2016 20:31:34 GMT -5
Yu say treat lgbt+ the same way as you treat others? Yet for some reason you have a different view on them because of who they are? "So while I don't agree with homosexuality, I will still love, respect, and treat people like people. I don't see how this is wrong." Okay then. What exactly do you disagree about? Someone's sexuality is not entirely who they are. There are other things. So I don't agree with sexuality, I suppose. But that's only one aspect of a person. ✞ (( Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ))
But it's an important aspect of them- yes, it may not be who we entirely are, but our sexuality shapes our lives.
(( Revelation 22:21 - The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. )) ✞
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:31:34 GMT -5
do people disagree with homosexuality as a concept or just the homosexual "intimate acts" that occur behind closed doors?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:31:44 GMT -5
Can someone tell me what sparked this? I wasn't on. the same thing that always sparks this ..........
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 20:33:31 GMT -5
1.) Ideally, change your mind. There are plenty of LGBT and pro-LGBT Christians who have successfully reconciled their faith and their ability to support LGBT people. You could become one of them. Door's always open. 2.) Don't talk about it. Don't talk to us, either. We deserve better. Alright. By "don't talk to us," do you mean we might as well block and completely avoid y'all, or as in "don't engage in direct conversation with us"? I just want to clarify.
stop saying hateful things it…should not be that hard to understand I think we should just ban anti-lgbt talk, but that's me and people who keep provoking lgbt can get a warning/ban My earlier point I was trying to make is that what people consider anti-lgbt talk is subjective depending on the person asked. So simply adding a rule of "no anti-lgbt talk" can and will be interpreted differently by different kinds of people. I'm not going to get into the debate again of what is and isn't. I'm just trying to explain what the disconnect here is, and failing to solve it will just cause more flame wars in the future.
My personal stance at this point is that people who disagree/don't support LGBT should simply not express such belief unless directly ask. Which I think is what y'all have been suggesting, if I understand correctly.
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Post by mickle on Oct 19, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5
Yu say treat lgbt+ the same way as you treat others? Yet for some reason you have a different view on them because of who they are? "So while I don't agree with homosexuality, I will still love, respect, and treat people like people. I don't see how this is wrong." Okay then. What exactly do you disagree about? Someone's sexuality is not entirely who they are. There are other things. So I don't agree with sexuality, I suppose. But that's only one aspect of a person. But sexuality is something that has a huge impact on a person's life. By disagreeing with a person's sexuality, it can be assumed you disagree with their relationships and acts. How can you say that a certain type of romantic/sexual relationship is wrong? Why just that one?
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 20:34:23 GMT -5
i'm just gonna shuffle away as it appears my opinions are unique and yeahhhh just ignore me //puts on cone of shame and waffles away
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 20:34:31 GMT -5
Can someone tell me what sparked this? I wasn't on. the same thing that always sparks this .......... So someone said something, people freaked out, and measures aren't being taken to solve the problem..
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Post by tiger beetle on Oct 19, 2016 20:35:16 GMT -5
1.) Ideally, change your mind. There are plenty of LGBT and pro-LGBT Christians who have successfully reconciled their faith and their ability to support LGBT people. You could become one of them. Door's always open. 2.) Don't talk about it. Don't talk to us, either. We deserve better. Alright. By "don't talk to us," do you mean we might as well block and completely avoid y'all, or as in "don't engage in direct conversation with us"? I just want to clarify.
stop saying hateful things it…should not be that hard to understand I think we should just ban anti-lgbt talk, but that's me and people who keep provoking lgbt can get a warning/ban My earlier point I was trying to make is that what people consider anti-lgbt talk is subjective depending on the person asked. So simply adding a rule of "no anti-lgbt talk" can and will be interpreted differently by different kinds of people. I'm not going to get into the debate again of what is and isn't. I'm just trying to explain what the disconnect here is, and failing to solve it will just cause more flame wars in the future.
My personal stance at this point is that people who disagree/don't support LGBT should simply not express such belief unless directly ask. Which I think is what y'all have been suggesting, if I understand correctly.
"unless directly ask" …also how about we don't start picking out the loopholes of "if it starts with a question then it isn't hatred" because…
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 20:37:20 GMT -5
You've peaked my interest *rubs my grubby gay hands on you too* I feel like the joke was missed but I'm offendedly offended
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Post by feign on Oct 19, 2016 20:37:28 GMT -5
✞ (( Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ))
I'm a Bisexual Christian- can I just say to my fellow Christians to actually read the Bible? And what the Bible says could've just been in that time or place, the Bible is from a long time ago, we have different customs and opinions now from that time.
Also, look at this:
Galatians 5:14 - For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Is it too hard to keep that one command? ''Love your neighbor as yourself.'' Is it that hard? I don't think so. Follow it. Respect us.
(( Revelation 22:21 - The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. )) ✞
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:37:44 GMT -5
Someone's sexuality is not entirely who they are. There are other things. So I don't agree with sexuality, I suppose. But that's only one aspect of a person. But sexuality is something that has a huge impact on a person's life. By disagreeing with a person's sexuality, it can be assumed you disagree with their relationships and acts. How can you say that a certain type of romantic/sexual relationship is wrong? Why just that one? How can I say it? I don't. My God does. He created man for woman and woman for man. So I base my beliefs off that. If a friend of mine got in a gay relationship, I wouldn't agree but I would still be happy for them that they're happy.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Oct 19, 2016 20:37:50 GMT -5
the same thing that always sparks this .......... So someone said something, people freaked out, and measures aren't being taken to solve the problem..
we're taking measures rn just trying how to figure out when we'll post
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