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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:14:20 GMT -5
Waiting around isn't going to solve it; clearly tomo is not going to be of any help since he's never here, and idk where roswell is. The fact that people are leaving the forums because of this should be reason enough to shut this whole mess down. People are getting too full of themselves again, just like they did in the WCF. That's the reason for the extreme level of hositility in OTD. I agree about Tomo, Roswell is discussing with mods. I agree that changes need to be implemented, especially with members leaving. I don't think closing this topic specifically will contribute one way or another to that though. If anything it'll make sure both groups feel that their problems are being aired and acknowledged, meaning they're less likely to leave. I wasn't around for the end of the WCF so I can't comment on that ): See, if we had implemented the cool down period then this would be forcibly killed, people would be forced to leave and cool off, and the mods could have time to find a solution. But nope.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Oct 19, 2016 21:14:37 GMT -5
Tbh I don't know where this thread will end up, but I'm glad that Sandpaper is letting people vent their frustrations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:14:45 GMT -5
Instead of closing the thread, maybe you could anchor it instead? That way people can still talk about this if they want to but it wont be at the top of the recent threads
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:14:48 GMT -5
@embersanja Yeah I went on vacation for a bit ( no duh lana) and the people I stayed with didn't have wifi, so yeah. I popped in at one point to post about an AMBER alert, but that was it and on data. oh no i don't think i saw the amber alert post ): was the missing person found?? i hope it worked out. and i hope you enjoyed your vacation, welcome back! sorry you came back to .. this
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 21:15:00 GMT -5
Saint Ambrosef are you posting in orange for halloween?????? I LITERALLY JUST MADE THE CONNECTION I'M SO DENSE Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ i noticed you were gone ! I was trying to tag you in something but i couldn't find any posts from you and i had No Idea what your username was and since your costumed up a search didn't bring anything up, oops. i will remember now tho shhhh you'll spoil the secret
my avvie's eyes glow too if you look closely
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:15:13 GMT -5
Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ Your signature seems outdated, just fyi. I don't know if you know that or not. If anyone wants to pm about this or anything else feel free to pm me. A lot of people probably have open pm boxes as well. Yeah I know; I just got back to the forums today, and I don't know what to put in there yet aha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:16:06 GMT -5
I agree about Tomo, Roswell is discussing with mods. I agree that changes need to be implemented, especially with members leaving. I don't think closing this topic specifically will contribute one way or another to that though. If anything it'll make sure both groups feel that their problems are being aired and acknowledged, meaning they're less likely to leave. I wasn't around for the end of the WCF so I can't comment on that ): See, if we had implemented the cool down period then this would be forcibly killed, people would be forced to leave and cool off, and the mods could have time to find a solution. But nope. The cool down period still wouldn't have fix anything, making people leave the forums for 24 hours because of an arguement. When they come back, people will still be talking * about the lgbt community and it will only happen again and again.
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Post by Yoshimi on Oct 19, 2016 21:16:24 GMT -5
I wonder how long this forum is gonna last. We're all that remain from WCF. We're dropping like flies at this point.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:16:36 GMT -5
@embersanja Yeah I went on vacation for a bit ( no duh lana) and the people I stayed with didn't have wifi, so yeah. I popped in at one point to post about an AMBER alert, but that was it and on data. oh no i don't think i saw the amber alert post ): was the missing person found?? i hope it worked out. and i hope you enjoyed your vacation, welcome back! sorry you came back to .. this They were. It was a little girl who got kidnapped and transported across state lines; the man was mentally unstable so there was a lot of concern. Fortunately she was found unharmed. Scary though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:16:49 GMT -5
sorry, but people making the best decision for themselves by leaving is "getting too full of themselves"? why does it matter so much that they find the atmosphere hard to deal with and therefore want to leave? I'm talking about the people who think that they have the right to discriminate based on sexuality. They think they can get away with it because of the lack of stricter enforcement around here. Oh, I see. I think that might be true? Except it's not really against the rules, so there's nothing TO enforce in this case. yknow? so they probably don't think "i can get away with it because mods let it slide" but instead more like "this isn't against the rules and it's important to me/my faith/whatever so i will say a thing"
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Post by Bunny on Oct 19, 2016 21:17:02 GMT -5
IF you're feeling suicidal because of this website fuccin go outside tf,,,,,,,,
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 21:17:15 GMT -5
i feel like this thread is a good example of why things should be left to run their course. we're all reaching similar conclusions as to what should be gone, and the trolls have crawled back into their holes. also i apologize for anything overly defensive i may have said today- these past few days have been really stressful for me and i won't deny that ive been very defensive, even argumentative when my thoughts could have just as easily been expressed in less aggressive ways. <3 truly sorry if i hurt anyone, that was never my intention.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:17:35 GMT -5
See, if we had implemented the cool down period then this would be forcibly killed, people would be forced to leave and cool off, and the mods could have time to find a solution. But nope. The cool down period still wouldn't have fix anything, making people leave the forums for 24 hours because of an arguement. When they come back, people will still be talking * about the lgbt community and it will only happen again and again. But sometimes if people are forced to calm down then it helps. Plus it would give the staff a breather to work out a solution.
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Post by Bunny on Oct 19, 2016 21:17:41 GMT -5
But I agree homophobes should die
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Post by feign on Oct 19, 2016 21:18:32 GMT -5
✞ (( Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ))
If you want to let people vent their frustrations, then why anchor it?
(( Revelation 22:21 - The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. )) ✞
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Post by 𝕊’𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕖 on Oct 19, 2016 21:18:37 GMT -5
IF you're feeling suicidal because of this website fuccin go outside tf,,,,,,,, OOC: People's emotions matter, and people can be affected by what others say on here, just because it isn't the 'real world' doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
IC: Text
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:19:20 GMT -5
I'm talking about the people who think that they have the right to discriminate based on sexuality. They think they can get away with it because of the lack of stricter enforcement around here. Oh, I see. I think that might be true? Except it's not really against the rules, so there's nothing TO enforce in this case. yknow? so they probably don't think "i can get away with it because mods let it slide" but instead more like "this isn't against the rules and it's important to me/my faith/whatever so i will say a thing" Which is tomo's falult for being vague about it in the first place. I feel like a lot of the forum's problems would be less extreme if he was, I don't know, a good admin?
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Post by feign on Oct 19, 2016 21:19:53 GMT -5
Oh, I see. I think that might be true? Except it's not really against the rules, so there's nothing TO enforce in this case. yknow? so they probably don't think "i can get away with it because mods let it slide" but instead more like "this isn't against the rules and it's important to me/my faith/whatever so i will say a thing" Which is tomo's falult for being vague about it in the first place. I feel like a lot of the forum's problems would be less extreme if he was, I don't know, a good admin? ✞ (( Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ))
He just made these forums for the popularity, tbh. Ros does all the work, and I thank her for that.
(( Revelation 22:21 - The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. )) ✞
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:20:20 GMT -5
[ If you want to let people vent their frustrations, then why anchor it?
I liked Twisterhearts suggestion
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Post by Fire on Cloud Nine on Oct 19, 2016 21:20:41 GMT -5
This is why I stay away from OTD. Can't everyone just either shut up with obviously controversial opinions and if, no sorry, when someone does do that just ignore them. Opinions are like memes. The more we fight over it the worse it gets, if you let it sit it'll just blow away in the wind. I know I will get someone reply something negative to this, and I know some people will not be able to ignore it and all that, but we can all just shut up! If you have an opinion, control it and keep it to yourself, it's not impossible!
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Post by Sour Candy on Oct 19, 2016 21:20:55 GMT -5
Torches for $5.99 and Molotovs for $7.00, come on down to Sour's Shop of Riots™ for your riot supplies today
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:21:08 GMT -5
Which is tomo's falult for being vague about it in the first place. I feel like a lot of the forum's problems would be less extreme if he was, I don't know, a good admin? ✞ (( Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ))
He just made these forums for the popularity, tbh. Ros does all the work, and I thank her for that.
(( Revelation 22:21 - The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. )) ✞ And even then ros can't do half of what they want because tomo is still the "owner". Ros needs clarification on like, a hundred things, but is tomo here to do it? Nope.
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Post by shortstop on Oct 19, 2016 21:22:07 GMT -5
IF you're feeling suicidal because of this website fuccin go outside tf,,,,,,,, OOC: People's emotions matter, and people can be affected by what others say on here, just because it isn't the 'real world' doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
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especially for people who are more prone to feeling suicidal
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2016 21:22:36 GMT -5
@redx Sand 🎃 What about a rule (or clarification upon the prexisting) containing the following: "Do not express disagreement or dislike considering someone's existence, lifestyle, or identity."
This way, the topic of issue is closed, and the offenses are specifically named (rather than just "no anti-lgbt"), so there won't be any misinterpretations in the future of what exactly that entails.
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Post by poppy. on Oct 19, 2016 21:22:57 GMT -5
But I agree homophobes should die Homophobia is not right; however, this post here classifies as hate speech in of itself, even if it is toward a group that also causes problems. Hate breeds hate. No one is accomplishing anything by lashing out with more hate. "An eye for an eye" accomplishes nothing but maiming of one's body. It is that simple to understand that all forms of hate speech needs to be outlawed on the forums, and therefore there need to be junior moderators to help out the senior moderators, able to edit and take down posts and threads to disallow any form of malicious speech.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:23:25 GMT -5
Oh, I see. I think that might be true? Except it's not really against the rules, so there's nothing TO enforce in this case. yknow? so they probably don't think "i can get away with it because mods let it slide" but instead more like "this isn't against the rules and it's important to me/my faith/whatever so i will say a thing" Which is tomo's falult for being vague about it in the first place. I feel like a lot of the forum's problems would be less extreme if he was, I don't know, a good admin? What a radical concept, lmao. Hopefully with his absence, the other staff members will take on more responsibilities - as it looks like they are with the furthering of the original mini mod suggestion coming soon. Things should start looking up when that is implemented, and the rules are more clearly defined/changed !
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Post by Bunny on Oct 19, 2016 21:23:54 GMT -5
IF you're feeling suicidal because of this website fuccin go outside tf,,,,,,,, OOC: People's emotions matter, and people can be affected by what others say on here, just because it isn't the 'real world' doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
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I understand this, but if a website is so toxic that it destroys your mental health and legitimately makes you suicidal maybe you shouldn't get on it
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Post by ❴ ғα∂ιηg ✦ яεαℓιтү ❵ on Oct 19, 2016 21:24:50 GMT -5
Torches for $5.99 and Molotovs for $7.00, come on down to Sour's Shop of Riots™ for your riot supplies today lets get gay married
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Post by Bunny on Oct 19, 2016 21:25:29 GMT -5
But I agree homophobes should die Homophobia is not right; however, this post here classifies as hate speech in of itself, even if it is toward a group that also causes problems. Hate breeds hate. No one is accomplishing anything by lashing out with more hate. "An eye for an eye" accomplishes nothing but maiming of one's body. It is that simple to understand that all forms of hate speech needs to be outlawed on the forums, and therefore there need to be junior moderators to help out the senior moderators, able to edit and take down posts and threads to disallow any form of malicious speech. after I read "homophobia is not right, however" i gave up bc I knew it was going to be some nonsense defending homophobes
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Oct 19, 2016 21:25:29 GMT -5
@embersanja But then tomo decides to get on here and reverse everything they've accomplished. Even with the recent ideas, we're still dancing circles around an inactive, irresponsible "admin". This is why I bothered to make a second forums, just because I know there's going to come a day when this is all going to collapse in on itself because tomo can't get his act together.
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