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Post by Chicken on Jul 15, 2022 23:07:33 GMT -5
Yesss!! Thanks for posting this Deerfoot and Wolfstep FINALLY got canon descriptions, they're a bit boring, but at least they're there. I'm not sure why they made Ashfoot and Morningflower Onestar's littermates, when they were previously his sisters, but older than him, but okay, it makes Deadfoot x Ashfoot a bit creepy though since he was a deputy, and her littermate's mentor, when she was an apprentice I honestly don't think Mudclaw was acting out of character at all, and this is coming from a Mudclaw supporter One of Sorrelshine's kits is obviously Whitetail, a pure white kit, who else could it be? I bet another one is Webfoot, since they were apprentices at the same time Did anyone notice that Tansypaw is brown tabby and white like Princess and Brushpaw is ginger like Firestar? I honestly thought Bailey was going to be Nutmeg or something and that Tansypaw was Princess and Brushpaw was Firestar and they retconned something huge, but thankfully they didn't go that route
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 16, 2022 0:51:34 GMT -5
Yesss!! Thanks for posting this Deerfoot and Wolfstep FINALLY got canon descriptions, they're a bit boring, but at least they're there. I'm not sure why they made Ashfoot and Morningflower Onestar's littermates, when they were previously his sisters, but older than him, but okay, it makes Deadfoot x Ashfoot a bit creepy though since he was a deputy, and her littermate's mentor, when she was an apprentice I honestly don't think Mudclaw was acting out of character at all, and this is coming from a Mudclaw supporter One of Sorrelshine's kits is obviously Whitetail, a pure white kit, who else could it be? I bet another one is Webfoot, since they were apprentices at the same time Did anyone notice that Tansypaw is brown tabby and white like Princess and Brushpaw is ginger like Firestar? I honestly thought Bailey was going to be Nutmeg or something and that Tansypaw was Princess and Brushpaw was Firestar and they retconned something huge, but thankfully they didn't go that route whitetail, webfoot, and runningbrook being siblings!!! pls come true!
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Post by Numquam on Jul 16, 2022 8:23:47 GMT -5
Awh I wished it was Firestar who welcomed Onestar after he died :c Oh well
I'm wonder if Tansypaw is going to go back to Twolegplace and become a kittypet again. She clearly doesn't sound happy being in the clans and mentions several times how she misses her twolegs. Unless something dramatically changes, she might not settle in. (or maybe she gets killed before she could return to her twolegs or fully settle down with the clan).
Brushpaw really loves Windclan, and since we don't see him in the later books, I also wonder if he's going to die (although this wouldn't be the first time a cat who didn't show up in the first books ended up still existing during that part of the timeline thanks to the super editions).
I feel like the fates of these two are going to really affect Onewhisker's decision with Smoke and their kit and maybe even Windclan's attitude towards outsiders. I don't quite remember how soon before the journey Darktail is born or when Smoke offered to have him join Windclan, but if he was born after Windclan came back from being chased off by Shadowclan, that will only encourage Onewhisker even more to not allow Darktail to join the clan.
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Post by Katanaheart on Jul 16, 2022 12:09:36 GMT -5
I like to think Deadfoot is a relatively young deputy. And he and Tallstar just got super lucky and lived for a good while in their respective positions, which suddenly makes the mentor losing his former apprentice and deputy sadder in hindsight.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 16, 2022 14:40:10 GMT -5
Yesss!! Thanks for posting this One of Sorrelshine's kits is obviously Whitetail, a pure white kit, who else could it be? I bet another one is Webfoot, since they were apprentices at the same time Did anyone notice that Tansypaw is brown tabby and white like Princess and Brushpaw is ginger like Firestar? I honestly thought Bailey was going to be Nutmeg or something and that Tansypaw was Princess and Brushpaw was Firestar and they retconned something huge, but thankfully they didn't go that route I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. But while I do hope that Whitetail and Webfoot are littermates, I don't think Sorrelshine's kits are them. The timeline doesn't seem to match or else they would've already been warriors when the first arc starts. Bluestar isn't leader yet, which she becomes around two years before ITW begins.
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 16, 2022 14:42:01 GMT -5
Chapter one mentions it to be early newleaf. Tallstar, Crookedstar and Raggedstar are already leaders. Raggedstar's deputy is listed as Cloudpelt, so Foxheart is already dead. Stumpytail and Cinderfur are apprentices. Same with Runningwind, Mousefur, Dawnbright, Mallowtail, Mistystar, Stonefur, Onestar, Ashfoot and Morningflower. oh...no i made in the book timeline...its placement in it... I'm assuming around three years before the start of ITW, considering the apprentices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 17:12:50 GMT -5
Why did I think that Onestar was born in a separate litter from Morningflower and Ashfoot? >Morningflower and Ashfoot were his siblings >GORSEPAW WAS HIS NEPHEW >CROWFEATHER IS HIS NEPHEW HOLY SHIT I know that they are his siblings, I just thought that they were born at different times for some reason.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 16, 2022 17:48:57 GMT -5
>Morningflower and Ashfoot were his siblings >GORSEPAW WAS HIS NEPHEW >CROWFEATHER IS HIS NEPHEW HOLY SHIT I know that they are his siblings, I just thought that they were born at different times for some reason. Well I mean Onekit being the only kit of his litter would explain his name better
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 17, 2022 5:48:16 GMT -5
I'll admit I came into this with high expectations. The team has really been on a roll lately. Leopardstar's Honor and River were amazing books. But as for Onestar's Confession so far, I'm not too impressed. This book has the most grievous timeline errors I think I've ever seen. I HAVE to rant about them.
For starters, Onestar is an only kit. It is literally in his name! What other possible explanation is there for his bizarre name? If he had any odd or distinctive features, his name would reference them directly. He has one white paw? His name would be Whitekit instead. He has one spot? He'd be called Spottedkit. The fact that his mother named him Onekit signified that the number itself was somehow significant. Singletons are exceedingly rare in Warriors. Queens are far more likely to have litters of four, also rare, than they are singletons. Naming a singleton Onekit makes perfect sense. It's lazy and uncreative, but logical. Give him littermates, and it makes zero sense. And wasn't his singleton status outright confirmed anyways? This is a direct retcon, and a stupid one at that.
Next is Onestar's age. There is no way NO WAY he is three years older than Firestar. They were clearly the same age in OS. He was described as a young warrior in Fire and Ice. A young warrior. As in one who had just recently earned his name. And probably early too, given how much emphasis was placed on his youth. Kinda like Fireheart and Graystripe no? That point aside, I have never, NEVER heard of a three year old cat referred to as a young warrior. In the old forest, that's practically middle aged! And given all the crap WindClan would go through later on, he would have been aged considerably by that kind of stress. He would not be this bouncy new warrior. He'd be grizzled and worn down. Normally I'd assume they didn't do their research before planning, but the presence of Darkfoot and Rushtail proves that they clearly did. How on earth did they remember to include really obscure background characters that only appear in one book each and never in the allegiances, and yet they messed up their protagonist's age??? HOW DO YOU MESS UP THAT BADLY!? I am utterly baffled by this mistake. Just...how?
I'm also not too happy with the changes to WindClan from TR. So between TR and OC is about...four years or so? We only have four cats born to WindClan. All are toms, three of which already existed. There is a serious dearth of young she-cats in the Clan. Oatwhisker is an entirely new character, why didn't they make him a she-cat? The pool of potential queens is super small. If Sorrelshine is old to be having kits, then Doespring and Larksplash certainly are. Rabbitear probably is too. So that would leave Morningpaw and Ashpaw, and any daughters that Sorrelshine has. WindClan's gene pool is so incredibly shallow. If Warriors wasn't a children's series, I think we'd be seeing some serious birth defects in WindClan kits.
This leads me to my next point. Tansypaw and Brushpaw. All my hopes for them have been dashed. Tansypaw is clearly going to leave, and probably Brushpaw too. WindClan desperately needs new blood, and young she-cats. I know that they're just a plot device used to shame Onestar's prejudices, but godd*mmit do I feel like a baby that just had a lollipop ripped from their mouth right now. But they haven't left yet, and there is a very slim chance that things will turn around. I'm not holding my breath though.
Lastly, I am bummed that Mistypaw's mentor is Echomist and not Willowbreeze. That would have made her friendship with Silverstream all the more perfect. This also confirms that Willowbreeze never got an apprentice before her tragic death. You'd think her mate being the leader would help her get one, but apparently not.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 17, 2022 6:17:50 GMT -5
For starters, Onestar is an only kit. It is literally in his name! What other possible explanation is there for his bizarre name? According to Kate, she thinks Onestar's name comes from him probably having one whisker that's whiter, longer, and thicker than all of the others. That being said, TR did originally establish him as an only kit. And speaking of TR, it's hard to explain, but I kinda feel like his age was always going to be slightly off than what we were originally led to believe either way thanks to his cameo.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 17, 2022 6:26:11 GMT -5
Hmm, I can smell the Onestar sympathy narrative already. I feel like this will either be decently "okay", as in almost as good as Leapardstar's Honor, or just horribly biased, like Squirrelflight's Hope.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jul 17, 2022 6:28:50 GMT -5
For starters, Onestar is an only kit. It is literally in his name! What other possible explanation is there for his bizarre name? According to Kate, she thinks Onestar's name comes from him probably having one whisker that's whiter, longer, and thicker than all of the others. That being said, TR did originally establish him as an only kit. And speaking of TR, it's hard to explain, but I kinda feel like his age was always going to be slightly off than what we were originally led to believe either way thanks to his cameo. I agree that the cameo was a weird choice, but that was much closer to his actual age than this. I always assumed that the timeline was correct and Heatherstar just lived to an incredible old age. She did have nine lives after all. Actually, I think I remember Kate saying that. But why not just name him Whiskerkit then? It'd make way more sense than Onekit.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 17, 2022 7:29:03 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, this book seems like a breath of fresh air after the mess and crapfest that was River. I’m actually super interested in seeing Onestar’s thoughts and how his character development. The timeline issues are annoying, but at this point I’d say it’s to be expected. I’m assuming the editors just looked at the family tree on the website and inferred that Onestar, Ashfoot, and Morningflower were all one litter; retroactively making Onestar his sisters’ ages as opposed to being someone around Firestar’s age. It’s doing a pretty good job displaying Onestar’s sympathy and attitude towards kittypets, which is obviously going to influence his opinion on Smoke and Darktail.
I’m pretty glad we got this as opposed to a Riverstar SE. This looks super promising so far.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jul 17, 2022 10:01:08 GMT -5
I was gonna say, pretty sure Onestar was named Onekit because he had one whisker that was very prominent compared to his other whiskers. Not because he was the only kit in the litter. I mean, there was a reason he also got the name Onewhisker as a warrior. For that exact same reason.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 17, 2022 10:37:48 GMT -5
I was gonna say, pretty sure Onestar was named Onekit because he had one whisker that was very prominent compared to his other whiskers. Not because he was the only kit in the litter. I mean, there was a reason he also got the name Onewhisker as a warrior. For that exact same reason. I’m seeing his name in the same vein as, say, Longtail, Talltail, Tawnyspots, Blossomfall, Ratscar, or Darkfoot. When your prefix is about a very specific part of you, the options for your suffix are pretty limited. I personally don’t see any issue with his name since it still technically fits. What else was he supposed to be called otherwise? Onelitter? Onewhisker suits him fine.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 17, 2022 14:25:56 GMT -5
Oatwhisker is an entirely new character, why didn't they make him a she-cat? Oatwhisker has always been a tom. he appears as an elder in dawn. in my unfinished windclan headcanon tree, i have him as the son of appledawn x cloudrunner, and the brother to rushtail (who also appeared as an elder in TNP).
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Post by *Faith* on Jul 17, 2022 15:56:20 GMT -5
Normally I'd assume they didn't do their research before planning, but the presence of Darkfoot and Rushtail proves that they clearly did. How on earth did they remember to include really obscure background characters that only appear in one book each and never in the allegiances, and yet they messed up their protagonist's age??? Oatwhisker is an entirely new character, why didn't they make him a she-cat? Rushtail actually was in the allegiances of the later half of TNP. His only physical appearance was in Starlight. The characters who have never appeared in the allegiances were Darkfoot and Crowfur. Darkfoot appearing in Starlight as having the belly sickness alongside Morningflower, as well as that scene being in Winds of Change. Crowfur appeared at a gathering in FOS. Oatwhisker only ever appeared in the allegiances of Dawn. So, like ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ said, he's always been a tom. As for Onestar, Ashfoot and Morningflower, Vicky originally said that they were from two different litters.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 17, 2022 17:07:05 GMT -5
Hmm, I can smell the Onestar sympathy narrative already. I feel like this will either be decently "okay", as in almost as good as Leapardstar's Honor, or just horribly biased, like Squirrelflight's Hope. LH was good? I’m not gonna debate because everyone is welcome to their own opinion of course but I personally disliked it. It’s not SQH-level bad, but..it made me angry while reading.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 17, 2022 18:12:46 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic,
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Post by Hollyfall on Jul 17, 2022 18:30:28 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic, I don't get why people want him written this way tbh. Onestar's one of the more morally gray characters in the series and I find it super interesting that WindClan seems to genuinely uphold him as a good leader still, even though that's not an opinion shared by the other Clans. Like, what was going through Onestar's head after he became leader and became a huge jerkass? Ending his friendship with Firestar? The Eclipse battle? His thoughts over Smoke and Darktail? Things like that. I want a Onestar with nuanced, flawed, sympathetic and unsympathetic traits. I'm hoping the book will take a route like Blackstar's or Leopardstar's in that while it explains their actions, it never excuses them. A Onestar characterized as "weak cowardly leader with no redeeming qualities" is...boring and just flanderizes a controversial character. Where's the fun in that? It just makes for weak writing. I don't really want to read like 35 chapters of Onestar being an insufferable and irredeemable character. I think something people forget is that character development can go both ways; Onestar just took a path that made him an ass and over time, became indecisive and cowardly. Showcasing that from the beginning is boring. Oh, and not tear him down just to make Mudclaw look like the better candidate. Feel that would undermine Winds of Change where it just made Onewhisker look better in comparison.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 17, 2022 18:30:43 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic, he doesnt need to be 100% deranged or evil from the beginning. they just need to make his cowardice consistent throughout bc i think thats the bigger part of why he sucks so bad: he's just a coward and he always has been. thats what i hope they do for this SE.
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Post by cable on Jul 17, 2022 18:35:26 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic, I think something people forget is that character development can go both ways; Onestar just took a path that made him an ass and over time, became indecisive and cowardly. Showcasing that from the beginning is boring. for the love of god thank you. character development is literally just a development in the character, it does not mean a change for good. people saying a character had no development when they did, it was just villainous development, drives me crazy
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 17, 2022 18:43:51 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic, I don't get why people want him written this way tbh. Onestar's one of the more morally gray characters in the series and I find it super interesting that WindClan seems to genuinely uphold him as a good leader still, even though that's not an opinion shared by the other Clans. Like, what was going through Onestar's head after he became leader and became a huge jerkass? Ending his friendship with Firestar? The Eclipse battle? His thoughts over Smoke and Darktail? Things like that. I want a Onestar with nuanced, flawed, sympathetic and unsympathetic traits. I'm hoping the book will take a route like Blackstar's or Leopardstar's in that while it explains their actions, it never excuses them. A Onestar characterized as "weak cowardly leader with no redeeming qualities" is...boring and just flanderizes a controversial character. Where's the fun in that? It just makes for weak writing. I don't really want to read like 35 chapters of Onestar being an insufferable and irredeemable character. I think something people forget is that character development can go both ways; Onestar just took a path that made him an ass and over time, became indecisive and cowardly. Showcasing that from the beginning is boring. Oh, and not tear him down just to make Mudclaw look like the better candidate. Feel that would undermine Winds of Change where it just made Onewhisker look better in comparison. Pretty much this! Morally gray Onestar is so much more interesting. And it’s clear that his characterization changed and developed over time, largely due to his sudden leadership, so I would be dissatisfied if he was the same character the whole way through.
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Post by cable on Jul 17, 2022 18:45:54 GMT -5
cant wait for people to get mad that onewhisker wasn’t written as a 100% boring deranged evil pisspot since birth with no nuance, how dare they make him in any way likeable or sympathetic, he doesnt need to be 100% deranged or evil from the beginning. they just need to make his cowardice consistent throughout bc i think thats the bigger part of why he sucks so bad: he's just a coward and he always has been. thats what i hope they do for this SE. onewhisker literally took on scourge after seeing him ice tigerstar and didnt immediately surrender to mudclaws coup. he hasnt always been a coward, he just became increasingly paranoid and concerned with how others perceived him after mudclaw tried to kill him in his own camp and claimed him to be a pawn of firestar. his paranoia and growing distrust of others eventually led to cowardice. i believe in the situation with smoke he was genuinely worried whether she could survive in the wild, and his selfishness over his status in the clan also played a part. so most poorly expressed worry and self-centered thinking there, not cowardice.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 17, 2022 19:20:04 GMT -5
Hmm, I can smell the Onestar sympathy narrative already. I feel like this will either be decently "okay", as in almost as good as Leapardstar's Honor, or just horribly biased, like Squirrelflight's Hope. LH was good? I’m not gonna debate because everyone is welcome to their own opinion of course but I personally disliked it. It’s not SQH-level bad, but..it made me angry while reading. It was good because it kept everyone in character. Not to mention also showed different relationship dynamics with background characters that we didn't get much nowadays in recent books (As of TBC at the time). It was well written, regardless of one's personal opinion on the lead role, just like Crowfeather's Trial. It did it's job accordingly. In comparison, SqH is the opposite. The narrative was so heavily biased toward Squirrelflight, it made her a very unreliable pov, and skewered other characters to make her seem like she could never be in the wrong. The level of sympathizing that was forced on readers in that SE was annoying, which is why most put it at their low picks when it comes to best written. THS has a similar issue because of how overglorified Tigerheart was so him becoming leader could be justified. People want Onestar to remain in character, but the others as well. The worry here is that Onestar will get the SqH treatment, and readers will have to forcibly sympathize with him in situations that would be nonsensical, while they skewer other characters to make him seem more justified. LH still showed that Leopardstar did terrible things while she was younger, but the difference between her mentally thinking she's justified at the time, vs Squirrelflight, is because she has self-realization. And other characters aren't villainized to make her look better either, she is both morally challenged by outside forces, and eventually herself. We never get this with Squirrel. I've never viewed Onestar as a villain. To say that would be nonsensical. But he is a character that eventually developed into an antagonistic role, he wasn't born like that, it was a development. I personally want him to stay in character, and not have him sharply curve left or right for the sake of a biased pov. He's supposed to be morally gray.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 17, 2022 19:23:47 GMT -5
he doesnt need to be 100% deranged or evil from the beginning. they just need to make his cowardice consistent throughout bc i think thats the bigger part of why he sucks so bad: he's just a coward and he always has been. thats what i hope they do for this SE. onewhisker literally took on scourge after seeing him ice tigerstar and didnt immediately surrender to mudclaws coup. he hasnt always been a coward, he just became increasingly paranoid and concerned with how others perceived him after mudclaw tried to kill him in his own camp and claimed him to be a pawn of firestar. his paranoia and growing distrust of others eventually led to cowardice. i believe in the situation with smoke he was genuinely worried whether she could survive in the wild, and his selfishness over his status in the clan also played a part. so most poorly expressed worry and self-centered thinking there, not cowardice. more so focusing on the TNP stuff. he was a coward when he let firestar peer pressure him into accepting leadership. from how bitter he was in Po3 Eclipse, to me it always sounded like he blamed firestar for pressuring him into accepting the leadership when he didnt feel ready (or maye he simply didnt want it at all. i want this whole thing clarified in the SE bc its been my belief/headcanon for years).
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 17, 2022 19:27:31 GMT -5
LH was good? I’m not gonna debate because everyone is welcome to their own opinion of course but I personally disliked it. It’s not SQH-level bad, but..it made me angry while reading. It was good because it kept everyone in character. Not to mention also showed different relationship dynamics with background characters that we didn't get much nowadays in recent books (As of TBC at the time). It was well written, regardless of one's personal opinion on the lead role, just like Crowfeather's Trial. It did it's job accordingly. In comparison, SqH is the opposite. The narrative was so heavily biased toward Squirrelflight, it made her a very unreliable pov, and skewered other characters to make her seem like she could never be in the wrong. The level of sympathizing that was forced on readers in that SE was annoying, which is why most put it at their low picks when it comes to best written. THS has a similar issue because of how overglorified Tigerheart was so him becoming leader could be justified. People want Onestar to remain in character, but the others as well. The worry here is that Onestar will get the SqH treatement, and readers will have to forcibly sympathize with him, while they skewer other characters to make him seem more justified. LH still showed that Leopardstar did terrible things while she was younger, but the difference between her mentally thinking she's justified at the time, vs Squirrelflight, is because she has self-realization. And other characters aren't villainized to make her look better either, she is both morally challenged by outside forced, and eventually herself. We never get this with Squirrel. It’s good to hear your PIV. I’m not here to argue, I promise. If you thought it was good you thought it was good, nothing else to it. I just wanted to know why.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jul 17, 2022 19:38:10 GMT -5
onewhisker literally took on scourge after seeing him ice tigerstar and didnt immediately surrender to mudclaws coup. he hasnt always been a coward, he just became increasingly paranoid and concerned with how others perceived him after mudclaw tried to kill him in his own camp and claimed him to be a pawn of firestar. his paranoia and growing distrust of others eventually led to cowardice. i believe in the situation with smoke he was genuinely worried whether she could survive in the wild, and his selfishness over his status in the clan also played a part. so most poorly expressed worry and self-centered thinking there, not cowardice. more so focusing on the TNP stuff. he was a coward when he let firestar peer pressure him into accepting leadership. from how bitter he was in Po3 Eclipse, to me it always sounded like he blamed firestar for pressuring him into accepting the leadership when he didnt feel ready (or maye he simply didnt want it at all. i want this whole thing clarified in the SE bc its been my belief/headcanon for years). Pretty much. Onestar being cowardly is a consistent character trope. He abandoned Smoke out of fear he'd be judged by his clanmates. Even when she came back to him again with kits. He turned down wanting to be leader, but only went along with it because of Onestar's last words and Firestar. And then he goes out of his way to steal prey from TC, refuses to own up to it, and then leads an assault against them in the middle of the night while they're sleeping, etc. There's also the stoats situation, him exiling Crowfeather for disagreeing, him letting an entire clan suffer because he didn't want to own up to his own son terrorizing everyone, etc. Like no one is saying he's gotta be sharp turned evil or anything like that, he's just obviously morally gray and was antagonistic. He didn't do good things, and I hope the book doesn't try to justify his actions, and skewer other characters to glorify him.
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Post by halogen on Jul 17, 2022 19:45:29 GMT -5
he doesnt need to be 100% deranged or evil from the beginning. they just need to make his cowardice consistent throughout bc i think thats the bigger part of why he sucks so bad: he's just a coward and he always has been. thats what i hope they do for this SE. onewhisker literally took on scourge after seeing him ice tigerstar and didnt immediately surrender to mudclaws coup. he hasnt always been a coward, he just became increasingly paranoid and concerned with how others perceived him after mudclaw tried to kill him in his own camp and claimed him to be a pawn of firestar. his paranoia and growing distrust of others eventually led to cowardice. i believe in the situation with smoke he was genuinely worried whether she could survive in the wild, and his selfishness over his status in the clan also played a part. so most poorly expressed worry and self-centered thinking there, not cowardice. I don't think taking on Scourge necessarily contradicts him being cowardly in other ways, he's just someone who is brave in the face of physical danger but cowardly with regards to social situations/his reputation/how his Clan sees him. That said I do think what happened with Mudclaw had a big effect on him, understandably, and he wouldn't have become what he was if it wasn't for that.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 17, 2022 19:47:50 GMT -5
onewhisker literally took on scourge after seeing him ice tigerstar and didnt immediately surrender to mudclaws coup. he hasnt always been a coward, he just became increasingly paranoid and concerned with how others perceived him after mudclaw tried to kill him in his own camp and claimed him to be a pawn of firestar. his paranoia and growing distrust of others eventually led to cowardice. i believe in the situation with smoke he was genuinely worried whether she could survive in the wild, and his selfishness over his status in the clan also played a part. so most poorly expressed worry and self-centered thinking there, not cowardice. I don't think taking on Scourge necessarily contradicts him being cowardly in other ways, he's just someone who is brave in the face of physical danger but cowardly with regards to social situations/his reputation/how his Clan sees him. That said I do think what happened with Mudclaw had a big effect on him, understandably, and he wouldn't have become what he was if it wasn't for that. just wanted to bring up how im a mudclaw defender and people dont like it when we say "if mudclaw wasnt cheated out of his rightful position, he wouldnt have been as bad as he was" but then i see "if mudclaw didnt rebel, onestar could have become a better leader" from what u said and i find that interesting. i guess both characters had to be radically amped up for plot and drama?? idk.
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