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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Aug 7, 2022 22:08:55 GMT -5
The mapleshade stans undying defeneses of mapleshade, it's gross. Like oh yes, ''this woman who murdered people because she got caught in a lie is such a sad baby waa, appledusk bad, ravenwing bad.'' literally, it's very irritating at times and then they go out and blame the characters around her, but forget that mapleshade's actions were entirely her own. i've seen people say that cats like appledusk and ravenwing belong in the dark forest. i don't think appledusk was a very good cat, but i don't think he belongs in the dark forest. i don't quite understand why many expected ravenwing to be loyal to mapleshade rather than to his clan leader. i think frecklewish being in the dark forest is a rather unfair end for someone who was lied to, but i do think how cold she was to mapleshade's kits was pretty upsetting, since kits can't really control the circumstances they're born into or what their mothers might say about them. her anger at mapleshade herself was justified, though. at that, does anyone think frecklewish broke the warrior code by not doing anything to help mapleshade's kits? i might make a thread on this.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 8, 2022 8:20:56 GMT -5
The mapleshade stans undying defeneses of mapleshade, it's gross. Like oh yes, ''this woman who murdered people because she got caught in a lie is such a sad baby waa, appledusk bad, ravenwing bad.'' literally, it's very irritating at times and then they go out and blame the characters around her, but forget that mapleshade's actions were entirely her own. i've seen people say that cats like appledusk and ravenwing belong in the dark forest. i don't think appledusk was a very good cat, but i don't think he belongs in the dark forest. i don't quite understand why many expected ravenwing to be loyal to mapleshade rather than to his clan leader. i think frecklewish being in the dark forest is a rather unfair end for someone who was lied to, but i do think how cold she was to mapleshade's kits was pretty upsetting, since kits can't really control the circumstances they're born into or what their mothers might say about them. her anger at mapleshade herself was justified, though. at that, does anyone think frecklewish broke the warrior code by not doing anything to help mapleshade's kits? i might make a thread on this. Don't think I've seen people on here defend Mapleshade for telling a lie. People argue that her punishment was unfair and her treatment by her clanmates out weighed her actions. And that the issue with Frecklewish going to the Dark Forest should mean that Oakstar and Ravenwing should go there as well, since they also played parts in the entire situation too, especially since they were using their positions of power. Most of Mapleshade's "defense" arguments revolve around who she was before she was driven to the monster she became, and the point is that her clanmates were just as bad if not worse. Just because she turned out to become a villain later, doesn't excuse their bias treatment of her. I think the only people that argue otherwise are on other bigger sites like tumblr, or god forbid, youtube, etc.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 8, 2022 10:17:53 GMT -5
literally, it's very irritating at times and then they go out and blame the characters around her, but forget that mapleshade's actions were entirely her own. i've seen people say that cats like appledusk and ravenwing belong in the dark forest. i don't think appledusk was a very good cat, but i don't think he belongs in the dark forest. i don't quite understand why many expected ravenwing to be loyal to mapleshade rather than to his clan leader. i think frecklewish being in the dark forest is a rather unfair end for someone who was lied to, but i do think how cold she was to mapleshade's kits was pretty upsetting, since kits can't really control the circumstances they're born into or what their mothers might say about them. her anger at mapleshade herself was justified, though. at that, does anyone think frecklewish broke the warrior code by not doing anything to help mapleshade's kits? i might make a thread on this. Don't think I've seen people on here defend Mapleshade for telling a lie. People argue that her punishment was unfair and her treatment by her clanmates out weighed her actions. And that the issue with Frecklewish going to the Dark Forest should mean that Oakstar and Ravenwing should go there as well, since they also played parts in the entire situation too, especially since they were using their positions of power. Most of Mapleshade's "defense" arguments revolve around who she was before she was driven to the monster she became, and the point is that her clanmates were just as bad if not worse. Just because she turned out to become a villain later, doesn't excuse their bias treatment of her. I think the only people that argue otherwise are on other bigger sites like tumblr, or god forbid, youtube, etc. Being fair, the thread doesn't say these opinions have to be limited to the forums. And I have absolutely seen people on Tumblr and Youtube make the argument that Mapleshade did nothing wrong and it was a girlboss moment to kill everyone.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 8, 2022 10:42:22 GMT -5
Don't think I've seen people on here defend Mapleshade for telling a lie. People argue that her punishment was unfair and her treatment by her clanmates out weighed her actions. And that the issue with Frecklewish going to the Dark Forest should mean that Oakstar and Ravenwing should go there as well, since they also played parts in the entire situation too, especially since they were using their positions of power. Most of Mapleshade's "defense" arguments revolve around who she was before she was driven to the monster she became, and the point is that her clanmates were just as bad if not worse. Just because she turned out to become a villain later, doesn't excuse their bias treatment of her. I think the only people that argue otherwise are on other bigger sites like tumblr, or god forbid, youtube, etc. Being fair, the thread doesn't say these opinions have to be limited to the forums. And I have absolutely seen people on Tumblr and Youtube make the argument that Mapleshade did nothing wrong and it was a girlboss moment to kill everyone. Yeah, true. Honestly the only time I ever see those arguments is off forums, or in some cases newer members, tbh.
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Post by halogen on Aug 9, 2022 13:43:37 GMT -5
I remember some of the takes the warriors redux writer had on characters were pretty weird. Like saying that CloudxBright is a bad ship because since Cloudtail was unfairly named a warrior and that made Swiftpaw frustrated, it was Cloudtail's fault that Swiftpaw died and it's disgusting that Brightheart would get with someone that killed her friend. Or similarly that Graystripe is horrible because he "killed" Silverstream.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 9, 2022 13:48:48 GMT -5
I remember some of the takes the warriors redux writer had on characters were pretty weird. Like saying that CloudxBright is a bad ship because since Cloudtail was unfairly named a warrior and that made Swiftpaw frustrated, it was Cloudtail's fault that Swiftpaw died and it's disgusting that Brightheart would get with someone that killed her friend. Or similarly that Graystripe is horrible because he "killed" Silverstream. I've never read the fic and haven't even heard of these takes until now, but these are honestly some of the most ridiculous takes I've ever seen. Are you sure the person who wrote them wasn't just joking (then again, from what I've heard of the fic, I wouldn't be surprised if they were serious)?
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Aug 9, 2022 14:33:17 GMT -5
I remember some of the takes the warriors redux writer had on characters were pretty weird. Like saying that CloudxBright is a bad ship because since Cloudtail was unfairly named a warrior and that made Swiftpaw frustrated, it was Cloudtail's fault that Swiftpaw died and it's disgusting that Brightheart would get with someone that killed her friend. Or similarly that Graystripe is horrible because he "killed" Silverstream. yikes
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Aug 9, 2022 14:58:53 GMT -5
Big yikes to all of those takes to be honest. But I'm glad there are some people in the notes of that last ask you linked who are defending Cloudtail. I stan. It's not Cloudtail's fault that Bluestar "played favorites" (rather was in her StarClan hating phase and approved of his atheist ways at that time) or that Swiftpaw decided to sneak out to prove himself worthy of becoming a warrior. Are these opinions of the Warrior Cats Redux author more recent by any chance? Because there seems to be some (minor for now) newer criticism on tumblr and Youtube in regards to Cloudtail and his relationship with Brightheart.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2022 15:51:23 GMT -5
Big yikes to all of those takes to be honest. But I'm glad there are some people in the notes of that last ask you linked who are defending Cloudtail. I stan. It's not Cloudtail's fault that Bluestar "played favorites" (rather was in her StarClan hating phase and approved of his atheist ways at that time) or that Swiftpaw decided to sneak out to prove himself worthy of becoming a warrior. Are these opinions of the Warrior Cats Redux author more recent by any chance? Because there seems to be some (minor for now) newer criticism on tumblr and Youtube in regards to Cloudtail and his relationship with Brightheart. The post seems to be from 2019. I don't know if you'd call that recent or not.
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