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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Jan 25, 2019 15:50:10 GMT -5
i think dusk is supposed to lose/have lost his memory in a fall of some sort?
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 25, 2019 16:09:19 GMT -5
mkay cause most brain induced memory loss really only affects short-term memory and not long-term unless it really severe? so like, he could maybe forget that he had kits with in the forbidden relationship? or forget that they split? but i really don't see him forgetting the entirety of the relationship. but like, forgetting bout the kits is chill.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 25, 2019 16:53:49 GMT -5
mkay. i'm not saying we relax the rule to the point that we just don't care, though. i just don't want to care too much that it drives people away. and honestly, what you're arguing about the other types of realism is a bit of a slippery slope. i am not saying that we are going to relax the rules regarding death and disease and chance. the whole rule and usage of chance charts is specifically designed to stop people from thinking that way. it's not like taking a more loose stance on cat genetics is suddenly going to eliminate all aspects of realism in the rp.
if you'd stop putting words in my mouth you'd understand that what i'm asking for isn't a "free for all". all i'm saying is that we don't need hardcore genetic laws. we don't need to force people to use generators because they don't have the same amount of knowledge in a specific field as you. and again- just because you're okay with using a generator for your characters doesn't mean that everyone else is. i think one of the reasons i'm so passionately against genetic rules is generators are literally the most disgusting thing in the world to me. it comes across as really pretentious, and is literally the sole reason i don't join a lot of the more "literate" fanclans. most people do not need to be told to follow reasonable genetics- since that's what the books tend to use and fanclans are meant to emulate the books. most people usually stick to the parent's coloration when creating kits. what i don't want people to have to worry about, however, is being 100% accurate with their genetics. if they want tom match the coloration of the parents, they shouldn't have to know if their cat can have tabby stripes, or if their cat has to have long or short fur. like if a parent has blue-grey fur, and they have their cat have blue-gray fur with like, tabby stripes, that should be good enough. if a parent is described as ginger, but they want to call their cat golden because it has a lighter connotation to it, that should be fine. we don't have to be like "well since the parents are this, your character has to either be this, this, or this". you're not giving them more creativity by adding more options. it doesn't work like that. and if we still to common sense genetics, it's not something that will break the realism if we want to pull the "well you don't look very much like your dad" plot. the problem with having such a critical and overbearing rule on something that we're not going to use a lot (like come on, how many "you're not my really dad???!"s are we going to pull) is that it's a big risk for such little payoff. and yes, it is a risk. we are risking members, the very core of our activity and success.
maybe we're pretty relaxed from your standpoint rain, but what i'm trying to design is a roleplay that everyone can enjoy, and i'm sorry but this rule is just so much of a buzzkill for people. and what you're not taking into consideration with your example is the amount of people who didn't post in those rps, who maybe would've joined had it not been for that rule on genetics. i have seen "realistic genetics" on soooo many rp pt peeves topics it's kinda ridiculous- heck even major YouTubers in the communtity have made videos dedicated to this specific topic. i'm not going to lie, the top reason i don't join rps (besides that no lgbt rule that's still somehow survived) is because of strict character design rules. i should have creative freedom when it comes to my characters and if you're giving me maybe two or three options it just isn't fun anymore. i'm not saying that anyone can have any color kit from any color parent, i'm just saying that we don't use generators- that we really only hold people accountable for basic genetics stuff that everyone understands.
and i get what you're saying khale, i really do- but the problem is people don't ask. they just don't they're afraid that they'll look stupid or dumb, and are way more likely to just pass over the rp instead of asking questions when they join.
also, i'm can't help but think the exact opposite on rules, rain. loose rules away trump strict rules. strong foundation of rules to me, just sounds like paragraphs of rules that will make people leave. and like, it's not like i'm not experienced in running rps. i know what i'm talking about. literally every rp that i've made with "strict" rules and regulations has died before we reach 20 pages. and yet, the ones where i'm more loose, where my rules have been limited, clear, and simple and the ones that get page counts closer to the 50s and 70s. and those rps have been significantly more enjoyable. i've been able to bond with people in those big rps, to make friends. even if everyone isn't a perfect rper, even if they aren't able to match my post length or outdo me with diction, i still had a kickass time with them. i don't need everything in this rp to be perfect, i just want it to be fun. for everyone.
and one last thing before i'm done, and this is probably and issue with me putting inflection on phrases that weren't meant to come across as rude. but it really feels like you've been talking down to me rain, and its not a pleasant feeling. if you do have a major issue with something i'm saying or doing, please let me know, whether it be through pms or not.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 25, 2019 17:41:31 GMT -5
I respectively disagree because this entire time I have tried to be helpful and I have felt ignored, belittled, and pushed down by a few members on this thread. I don't appreciate being called out when I have not done anything wrong and then expected to give my defense in pm. That's not right and not fair at all. I may have been gone the first few pages, but I work from 5:30 A.M. until 4:00/4:15 P.M. Any breaks I have are very limited due to time and being on mobile. I feel disrespected because I try to bring up points. I never put words in your mouth. I'm supposed to run a Clan and I want to give my opinions and views, but I feel like I'm being passed over in favor of others and I don't get why. It's a small thing to bring up, but I'm peeved that everyone else got to claim prefixes, even non-leaders and no one thought to wait until all leaders could. That's one example of me feeling tossed aside. If I'm not going to be treated fairly and my opinions and views being seen with an open-mind as I have tried with others, then I don't how this will work out. There are a lot of differences between how I set up my rules and role-plays, but I came on this thread knowing it's fair game. I only really pushed back on the prefix rule, but I believe the majority won in that case. After that, I suggested a change not to get my way, but in consideration for members and the fact many have complained about Mousefur and Mousewhisker being alive in the same Clan in the books. I think if anything, we should vote on genetics, and other decisions, as it shows all leaders are equal, otherwise we can be seen just following orders and our words and decisions can be turned back if we "choose" one person to be the mind and voice instead of discussing things together and taking turns. I can understand that you kick-started this, but I won't feel comfortable if later I have my decisions overrided because you as the kick-starter disagreed.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 25, 2019 18:18:08 GMT -5
See this is why I brought up pms, not to try and silence your opinion, but if there was something that you were unsatisfied or unhappy with, I want you to share that, even if its not to the whole group. If I came across as pushy or belittling to you, that was not my intent at all. I think I've just been stressed with classes lately and I haven't been in the best of moods when typing up responses, or reading them for that matter. It's really hard to know when someone is unhappy when there is no communication, and I want you to know that you are a valued member of this team. Even if you haven't been on as much as the others, you've been supportive and frankly really fun to work with. If you want to vote on ideas, I'm down, but I do believe that there should be some sort of conversation beforehand. If you are truly unhappy with the group and want to leave, you can, but I want you to know that I really do think that you've been helping and adding to the conversation in a really constructive way. There were just a couple phrases that rubbed me the wrong way in your more recent posts, but after reading your response I don't think they were intentionally written that way. I want to apologize for making you feel singled out and like you don't belong here. I truly do wish to keep working on this project with you, but in the end your decision is in your hands.
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Post by mimikyutie on Jan 25, 2019 22:01:13 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the big deal about the prefix thing. There's a LOT of prefixes out there and we have a right to get our characters sorted out too.
sorry just really wanted to say that
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Jan 25, 2019 22:18:48 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the big deal about the prefix thing. There's a LOT of prefixes out there and we have a right to get our characters sorted out too. sorry just really wanted to say that i think what rain meant is that she wasn’t on when we were claiming prefixes, and she felt like she had to change over half of her list, even her original leader, because prefixes were claimed before she got a chance. yes, you have that right too - but rain is one of the clan leaders, and i agree that we should have waited for her to be on, since she has been one of the most helpful of our group as well.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 25, 2019 22:20:52 GMT -5
See I defo understand that point, but just looking back on it, I really don't think we could've all made it on at the same time. Like just between me and Drea I can't post till like 3 on weekdays while she starts working at 3 on week days. But if rain really wants to use one of the prefixes I have claimed, I'm willing to give some up!
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 27, 2019 3:21:34 GMT -5
Im also willing to give up some prefixes for clan leaders/higher ranks than me.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 27, 2019 16:05:04 GMT -5
so over the next couple of days its supposed to be frigid by me (like -50s) so my classes will probably be cancelled. i'm going to try to finish up all the information needed for thunderclan and post it here, so leaders if you needed an example for something, look forward to that. we can keep discussing rules, or hammer out more plot stuff in the mean time too, but idk what y'all are in the mood for right now. feel free to let me know, i'll try and be online for a couple more hours but no guarantee!
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 27, 2019 16:29:48 GMT -5
I took a little time off to kind of "cool down" and deal with some real life things as well, as the stress from that would not make this easier. In all honesty, I did feel like I was being silenced with the pms mention, but that's not what you intended. Looking back, I think there are a lot of misunderstandings between the group? Especially me with getting ideas and feedback back to you guys. Considering a lot of my replies were on mobile and created to where I needed to quickly get across a point while trying to sound polite and "professional" to avoid a misunderstanding, I obviously messed up my original intentions. My frustrations just built up and that's not good. I also wanted to put this out on the page because I did feel like the others should know. I'm not saying that this is not what you want as well, but I think communication and being open is key to making a successful role-play. It's really part of the foundation, in addition to well structured rules and all of that jazz.
Regarding the prefixes, I'm not mad about not getting prefixes I wanted moreover the frustration that I couldn't save some for my Clan before Phoe and Tali. I know that sounds bad and there was only one prefix I was considering, but it's been sorted out now. It's more of the inaction instead of the action that frustrated me. I'm not saying I should be put on a higher pedestal than Tali or Phoe, but a mention saying that "hey, not everyone has claimed their prefixes so just know that if you aren't the leader of this Clan, if someone really wants that prefix, you may need to sort something out some how." I know that's not the best explanation, but I have a slight headache and I'm trying my best. I'm not aiming to take prefixes away from people, I can just put characters in that are different and be fine. I was just annoyed at the "consideration" part. To be fair, with how fast paced the page seemed to have gone, I can also now understand, and Peng you did bring up a valid point that it would have been hard for all of us to get on. It was just a little splinter in my finger that I needed to get out to alleviate frustration and I should have communicated better about that.
With the whole debate about genetics, I'm going to discuss the ideas I had and I poorly conveyed. We all know that I think having some kind of genetics system is important, and I know you're not having unrealistic designs in the role-play. I think one misunderstanding was specific designs. I have to use a generator for colors, but I don't use that for specifics like where the white is or which tabby stripes. I try to be very vague with the stripe pattern. One thing that I think we should mention is maybe a restriction on specific breeds unless they are a former kittypet or half-kittypet. I also know that genetics can be limiting, but I also know that if you're put in the right direction, you can get creative with it. You can create a completely new character to replace an old one that doesn't fit. And while we do want as many members as we can get, Fan Clans already has a slight activity problem in my opinion. I'm not opposed to having newer members come and join, but I don't think we should encourage what I think is a rare thing to happen now regarding genetics and that is to be very relaxed. In a discussion with others, I was pointed out that just denying someone based on something like a name or maybe they just aren't at the "tier" of "literacy" you're at doesn't help them. Encouragement and saying "Hey, I can help you if you still want to join" really can help a role-play stand out over someone straight out denying them. Of course, we will have people that will get denied and we may not be able to help everyone, but allowing them to have help and get used to the current and very long-running trend will help them over the forums entirely losing a new member. With that, we can look at some options and maybe get something going that we can all agree on.
The first idea is genetics by relation. While it's unconfirmed and probably not how they do it, the Erins typically follow a trend of having kits look like their parents or relatives. It's simple enough to allow more freedom, and if we want to, we can maybe work out a little system that can result in some unique designs. In addition, unless a grandparent or great aunt was listed of the parent of a cat with an actual design, the kits would be based off the parents and depending on how we set it up, some possible options.
The second is to use a generator and encourage others to. Of course, this only applies for kin relations like kits and maybe siblings. We'd use actual genetics and in some combinations, have a bunch of variations. Some variations are limiting and those are typically when the parents are the same or similar color. (Red x Red, Red x Cream are fine examples.) This would only work on colors and maybe if they are a tabby, but I'm totally cool with having some black tabbies in the role-play.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 29, 2019 8:05:56 GMT -5
Ahh I've been really busy lately, but I'll aim to get a response up later this afternoon.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 29, 2019 8:43:15 GMT -5
Ahh I've been really busy lately, but I'll aim to get a response up later this afternoon. I'll be honest. I was worried I killed this.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 29, 2019 11:00:39 GMT -5
No no, I was using my free time to finish homework and find a decent topic for a research paper. But tomorrow and Thursday my classes will probably be cancelled because of the cold so I can procrastinate tonight and all of tomorrow.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 29, 2019 14:40:19 GMT -5
Lucky and not lucky? Cold sucks but hey, you get some more free time. I want them to close school tomorrow but I akso don't because then we'll have to make it up.
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Post by lazy penguin on Jan 29, 2019 17:28:17 GMT -5
yeah -50 is my prime temperature lol. and like- i'm lucky since they announced the closing on twitter in the middle of the day so teachers could send out information in regards to homework and what needs to be done on friday, while my mind was still focused on schoolwork. we'll have to see how it all goes tho.
i'm honestly really glad that you took a step back because it also allowed me to take a break and review the posts. i honestly don't think i was trying to compromise with y'all- even if i thought i was in my head. i was pretty selfish in my intentions, and i want to apologize for that cause you guys deserve way better than that for the amount of work you been doing to help with this roleplay. i definitely agree that communication is something we should all try to improve on, and definitely is a big part of any roleplay's success.
tbh i do get that, and i should've thought of that before starting the whole claiming thing. i think everyone just kinda got swept up in the moment (like i think we jumped from like 5 pages to 8 that night), and forgot. from here on out i'm going to try and prioritize leaders, and make sure everyone of you is able to have a say in things. i know you'd suggested voting on major points, which i think is a really good idea. i had also debated creating a discord for the rp, and if i went forward with that there'd definitely be a channel for leader discussion. if you guys don't have discord/don't think it would be a good idea to have one for the rp, we can always set up a chat over pms, or simply discuss things on a "discussion page" or thread along those lines.
looking at your two ideas, maybe we could do a combination of the two? like we can ask people to follow basic genetics (no ginger cat w/out tabby stripes, tortoiseshell toms should be sterile, basic stuff), but if they're designing a cat that's part of a litter w/listed parents with set designs, to use genetics by relations? and then if they really want a cat to be a specific color or something, we can work with them on how that could be possible (even if the answer is "it's not possible" we can always suggest other relations that the cat can fit into, and stuff). then we could link some of the generators as a resource, and like encourage people to use them? that way it's always there if people want to use it, but they don't have to?
i'm also okay for limiting some breeds, like i know firestar said something about never seeing a siamese cat before in like FQ or something, and like yellowfang was unique because of her persian blood. so like, the more stylized and rare breeds would be very rare in the clans, so we'd probably want to limit them? like do a cool down in the joining process? the only problem with that method is other cats in their family/direct lineage would also have the blood of the breed? so like maybe its a cooldown for family lines rather than just the cat? idk we'd have to come up with a solid method for this. also just going to throw this out there- but there should definitely be a plot were a clan cat falls for a kittypet/rogue who's a distinct breed and then has kits. so like, the clan knows that no one in camp is the father, but maybe the mother refuses to say who/what her mate was?
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Post by ~Skyblaze~ on Jan 29, 2019 18:10:29 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm butting in, but I'd love to help if you guys could use another person )
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 29, 2019 20:20:19 GMT -5
I think a discord would be a great idea, also I want to make sure if Ravensnout is okay then, she has vitiligo making her black fur turn white making her dappled but i want to make sure having vitiligo is okay?
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Post by ʙᴜᴍʙʟᴇʙᴇᴇ » on Jan 29, 2019 21:09:09 GMT -5
i think a discord would be a really good idea! especially for chance/choice/discussion areas!
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Post by mimikyutie on Jan 29, 2019 21:15:59 GMT -5
Discord is always a plus
Also sorry I've been quiet. I got a puppy Saturday night, so I've been busy.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 29, 2019 21:49:04 GMT -5
I'll definitely be on tomorrow. They closed school because of it being like nine outside with a negative wind chill. Best thing is that we don't have to make it up! We'll be using a virtual day, so President's Day will be freed up for me. Though Saturday, we're going to a birthday dinner for my aunt. I hope to be back on after it is over.
It's all sorted it out, don't worry. I made some mistakes as well. <33
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm up for a discord server! I think it'll be nice to have and can help our little community bond. Only a suggestion, but perhaps anything "official" should be posted on the discussion page with context behind it? That way the members without discord can see what's going on and if for some reason it's open, they can ask to join in that little plot?
I think that's a wonderful idea, but I'm a bit confused. The generator I can suggest is this one. For non-generator cats, what are we going to use if the cats are all that same color (like red for example)? Do we ask for a possible parent that they have or...?
Yeah, while I adore some breeds, we can always describes our cats in different ways and if they are a specific breed, they'd have to have some kittypet heritage. Perhaps we can mention that? I can see it possibly deterring some people, but I also think it'll be nice to have some cats that are descended from non-Clan born origins as long as it isn't half the Clan. The plot also seems like a good idea!
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Post by mimikyutie on Jan 29, 2019 21:54:46 GMT -5
I haven't really used it, but there's also Sparrow's Garden
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 29, 2019 21:59:23 GMT -5
Somewhat unrelated but I think I'm going to claim deputy for ThunderClan if that's okay? I have characters in mind for both if you need me to switch, but I was thinking that deputy may be hard to fill if some others have claimed medicine cat. I know Ross claimed SkyClan deputy (and that's cool with me) but I'm not 100% sure about the others. Just wanted to let you know. I was thinking maybe Ferndance or Breezewhisker. Ferndance is currently a tortoiseshell, but I may change her to a gray tabby with a white muzzle and green eyes. Breezewhisker is a dark gray tabby with green eyes and a white chest and belly and pale paws. Both would be pretty young like you asked. I can see Ferndance being motherly and sweet, but she likes to fight. Similar to Snowfur, Bluestar's sister. Breezewhisker would be more hesitant and observant. Both can cause some interesting issues.
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 30, 2019 0:29:50 GMT -5
//oh deputy spots are unclaimed? Which spots are all unclaimed? just curious i don't know about claiming any roles yet, as i prefer roleplaying my way to the lol but could be interesting.//
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Post by -` percy ´- .✫ 🌊 on Jan 30, 2019 0:49:28 GMT -5
i think it’s just best to wait until all the leaders of the five clans have their roles/positions claimed first before anyone else claims anything
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 30, 2019 0:55:18 GMT -5
alright, are we allowing then multiple important roles at a time for leaders? or is it a one major role only in each clan, sorry if that was mentioned already just wondering.
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Post by -` percy ´- .✫ 🌊 on Jan 30, 2019 2:32:25 GMT -5
I think they're allowed one in each clan. They get to choose between the deputy or medicine cat
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 30, 2019 2:35:02 GMT -5
Ah alrght
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Post by -` percy ´- .✫ 🌊 on Jan 30, 2019 2:40:18 GMT -5
Yeah, and so far from what I know, I'm the only one that stated my claim?? I claimed the Skyclan Deputy
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Post by Phoenixstar on Jan 30, 2019 2:44:05 GMT -5
Rainleaf just claimed Thunderclan deputy, so thats 2/4? and all medicine cats are claim i believe.
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