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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:51:03 GMT -5
Do Mintfur's kits get mentors? Not yet.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:57:31 GMT -5
Who was Violetshine's mentor?
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:58:33 GMT -5
When Twigpaw was out collecting twigs with Finpaw and Dewpaw a tree branch started to fall on Finpaw. Though Twigpaw managed to push Finpaw out of the way, his tail was still caught under the heavy branch. Twigpaw ran to get Puddleshine, but it was decided that they would have to cut Finpaw's tail. He has a short tail now. Maybe he should get Berrynose as a mentor?
Finpaw grew pretty grumpy about it and he didn't want any visitors. Twigpaw ended up blaming herself. Despite Finpaw's current grumpiness he looked at Twigpaw with alarm and stated that she can't be sad. When she asked him why, he stated that because she's never sad and that's why he likes her.
Finpaw was frustrated at his tail problem though and it was noted that Twigpaw made him happy. Sandynose wanted her to stay away from Finpaw so he could gain his confidence back.
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Pandean
Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 2, 2017 19:59:52 GMT -5
Hollyleaf appears??? Does she have any lines, or it it just a cameo? Did Violetshine receive her name before Twigpaw left or afterwords? How did she react to her leaving? Leafpool spots her and she's noted as being very happy, her eyes brimming with emotion. Hollyleaf blinked at her mother lovingly before going up to her to nuzzle her. Leafpool asked Hollyleaf if she's happy here and Hollyleaf replies that she's at peace.
Purdy only makes a short cameo, but Alderheart is noted to be happy to see him.
Violetshine receives her name before Twigpaw left. She wasn't happy and she accused Twigpaw of abandoning her again.
I'm glad we get a bit of Hollyleaf and Leafpool at least. That's nice and sweet.
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Post by Lightflame on Nov 2, 2017 20:00:00 GMT -5
I also just finished reading my copy of this absolute dumpster fire. I shouldn't be shocked at how terrible the new team is at every level, but I think I still am. I'm also just flabbergasted by how much they hate Alderheart. If they despise him so much, why did they even create him in the first place? Anyway, as you can tell, I am extremely salty, but ask me anything about the book. Specifically, what did you think was bad about this book? Pretty much everything. Nothing happens at all. There's no momentum, no plot threads that could go anywhere, and barely any character development. Alderheart is a completely passive spectator who does absolutely nothing to affect the story, and his entire storyline of finding the six toed cat is rendered meaningless, because Violetshine finds him completed independent of Alderheart's actions. His character is also unrecognizable, being moody, irritable, and hating authority. I was expecting interaction between the sisters, but after thirteen pages of interaction at the beginning, Violetshine leaves with Hawkwing, and doesn't come back until the very end. Violetshine is also still awful. I can't stand her. Ghost Needletail does nothing but serve as a plot device to bring Tree to the Clans, and her story is so bad that I wish she had just been shown in StarClan in Shattered Sky. I was pleasantly surprised that Needletail and Alderheart actually exchanged a single line of dialogue each, because I figured that Needletail was entirely consumed by Violetshine's story. Twigpaw has an interesting story concept in being torn between her kin and the Clan that raised her, but it's buried under her relationship with Finpaw, which takes up almost all of her chapters. It's cute fluff, I guess, but it's not in any way interesting. Basically, nothing feels organic, and nothing feels earned. Vicky may have made some bad decisions, but at least you could tell that she cared about the characters and the books. This just feels soulless.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:00:00 GMT -5
Who was Violetshine's mentor? Rabbitleap. It's in the allegiances.
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Rainbow
Pandean
Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 2, 2017 20:00:51 GMT -5
When Twigpaw was out collecting twigs with Finpaw and Dewpaw a tree branch started to fall on Finpaw. Though Twigpaw managed to push Finpaw out of the way, his tail was still caught under the heavy branch. Twigpaw ran to get Puddleshine, but it was decided that they would have to cut Finpaw's tail. He has a short tail now. Maybe he should get Berrynose as a mentor? Finpaw grew pretty grumpy about it and he didn't want any visitors. Twigpaw ended up blaming herself. Despite Finpaw's current grumpiness he looked at Twigpaw with alarm and stated that she can't be sad. When she asked him why, he stated that because she's never sad and that's why he likes her. Finpaw was frustrated at his tail problem though and it was noted that Twigpaw made him happy. Sandynose wanted her to stay away from Finpaw so he could gain his confidence back. Berrynose and Finpaw would be great!!!
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Pandean
Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Nov 2, 2017 20:02:25 GMT -5
Specifically, what did you think was bad about this book? Pretty much everything. Nothing happens at all. There's no momentum, no plot threads that could go anywhere, and barely any character development. Alderheart is a completely passive spectator who does absolutely nothing to affect the story, and his entire storyline of finding the six toed cat is rendered meaningless, because Violetshine finds him completed independent of Alderheart's actions. His character is also unrecognizable, being moody, irritable, and hating authority. I was expecting interaction between the sisters, but after thirteen pages of interaction at the beginning, Violetshine leaves with Hawkwing, and doesn't come back until the very end. Violetshine is also still awful. I can't stand her. Ghost Needletail does nothing but serve as a plot device to bring Tree to the Clans, and her story is so bad that I wish she had just been shown in StarClan in Shattered Sky. I was pleasantly surprised that Needletail and Alderheart actually exchanged a single line of dialogue each, because I figured that Needletail was entirely consumed by Violetshine's story. Twigpaw has an interesting story concept in being torn between her kin and the Clan that raised her, but it's buried under her relationship with Finpaw, which takes up almost all of her chapters. It's cute fluff, I guess, but it's not in any way interesting. Basically, nothing feels organic, and nothing feels earned. Vicky may have made some bad decisions, but at least you could tell that she cared about the characters and the books. This just feels soulless. Warriors has officially became a soulless cash cow husk
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:02:41 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving: "They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you." No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness. Any stand out scenes with Twigpaw that don't involve Finpaw? I can't remember any. She's with Finpaw quite a bit.
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Post by Lightflame on Nov 2, 2017 20:04:16 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving: "They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you." No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness. Any stand out scenes with Twigpaw that don't involve Finpaw? Nah. Twigpaw's entire storyline is about her relationship with Finpaw, for whatever reason.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:04:33 GMT -5
Who was Violetshine's mentor? Rabbitleap. It's in the allegiances.
Ah, I must've missed it, then. Do he and Violetshine have a good relationship (or at least better than Sandynose and Twigpaw do)?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:10:30 GMT -5
Specifically, what did you think was bad about this book? Pretty much everything. Nothing happens at all. There's no momentum, no plot threads that could go anywhere, and barely any character development. Alderheart is a completely passive spectator who does absolutely nothing to affect the story, and his entire storyline of finding the six toed cat is rendered meaningless, because Violetshine finds him completed independent of Alderheart's actions. His character is also unrecognizable, being moody, irritable, and hating authority. I was expecting interaction between the sisters, but after thirteen pages of interaction at the beginning, Violetshine leaves with Hawkwing, and doesn't come back until the very end. Violetshine is also still awful. I can't stand her. Ghost Needletail does nothing but serve as a plot device to bring Tree to the Clans, and her story is so bad that I wish she had just been shown in StarClan in Shattered Sky. I was pleasantly surprised that Needletail and Alderheart actually exchanged a single line of dialogue each, because I figured that Needletail was entirely consumed by Violetshine's story. Twigpaw has an interesting story concept in being torn between her kin and the Clan that raised her, but it's buried under her relationship with Finpaw, which takes up almost all of her chapters. It's cute fluff, I guess, but it's not in any way interesting. Basically, nothing feels organic, and nothing feels earned. Vicky may have made some bad decisions, but at least you could tell that she cared about the characters and the books. This just feels soulless. So, Alderheart's just being a typical teenager then? Okay... I never liked him much to begin with, so this doesn't even affect me. At least Twigpaw gets more interesting, and her relationship with Finpaw seems cute. Honestly, the series has become a cash cow. It should've ended a long time ago. How is Violetshine awful, though?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:11:55 GMT -5
Any stand out scenes with Twigpaw that don't involve Finpaw? Nah. Twigpaw's entire storyline is about her relationship with Finpaw, for whatever reason. Oh, so it's sort of like a Romantic Plot Tumor then (I've been spending too much time on TV Tropes)?
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Post by gonxkillua on Nov 2, 2017 20:13:28 GMT -5
Nah. Twigpaw's entire storyline is about her relationship with Finpaw, for whatever reason. Oh, so it's sort of like a Romantic Plot Tumor then (I've been spending too much time on TV Tropes)? You can never spend too much time on Tv Tropes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 20:16:07 GMT -5
am I the only one who thinks this sounds like a good book?
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:17:58 GMT -5
Oh, so it's sort of like a Romantic Plot Tumor then (I've been spending too much time on TV Tropes)? You can never spend too much time on Tv Tropes. True. It's definitely a helpful website for when I'm writing.
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Post by Woofzie on Nov 2, 2017 20:26:12 GMT -5
No. Honestly, it's seems like people just likes to complain. I must read it first, but it doesn't sound bad, I'm highly interested. No offense in this.
This was suppoused to be a reply to Twisterheart, dang
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:29:16 GMT -5
Rabbitleap. It's in the allegiances.
Ah, I must've missed it, then. Do he and Violetshine have a good relationship (or at least better than Sandynose and Twigpaw do)? Not much of their relationship is seen. Violetpaw and Rabbitleap were two of the cats who were chosen to go the gorge. (Twigpaw chose to stay behind because she was worried about Finpaw)
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:30:31 GMT -5
We finally got an eye colour for Mintfur. She's mentioned at one point with round, blue eyes. Finpaw has yellow eyes.
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Post by soulheart on Nov 2, 2017 20:31:19 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie...not a huge fan of the whole tree thing, kinda over the whole power thing, as well as underdeveloped romances and making these characters defined by these romances. Also aggravated at the number of background characters that get no screen time. Sparkpelt is very different than how she was in the last book, as is Alderheart. Still don't want Tigerstar II. Tired of Tigerstar in general. Also don't think Onestar should've gotten off so easily. Wish The books in general didn't define characters solely by their relationships, because I like Needletail but now she's just a Violetshine plot device. I liked the apprentices quest, thunder and shadow, and most of shattered sky, but honestly there's not a whole lot that I like about this book, and it's not boding well for the rest of the series
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:31:24 GMT -5
Are Ebonyclaw and Harveymoon seen, or at least mentioned?
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:39:59 GMT -5
Are Ebonyclaw and Harveymoon seen, or at least mentioned? Nope. Hawkwing mentions Billystorm as Pebbleshine's mentor though.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 20:41:15 GMT -5
Exactly which missing SkyClan cats come back, besides Frecklewish, Fidgetpaw, Nettlesplash, Mintfur, and their kits? I'm assuming Cloudmist and Cherrytail return too.
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Post by Lightflame on Nov 2, 2017 20:44:01 GMT -5
No. Honestly, it's seems like people just likes to complain. I must read it first, but it doesn't sound bad, I'm highly interested. No offense in this. This was suppoused to be a reply to Twisterheart, dang I honestly don't have extremely high expectations, and I'm generally extremely forgiving of the series. All I expect is adequacy, and Darkest Night hasn't given me that at all.
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Post by Woofzie on Nov 2, 2017 20:47:00 GMT -5
The only things I cannot digest are Tree's power and that we now have to focus on another romance POV.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:51:46 GMT -5
Does seeing old favourites count? I was so happy to see Hollyleaf and Cherrytail again.
I loved the interaction between Twigpaw and Finpaw. I'm glad that Alderheart and Sparkpelt made amends. I was happy that some of SkyClan's warriors/medicine cats were found. It turns out that Frecklewish was captured by Twolegs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 20:54:42 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: I'm not too fond of Violetshine's name.
I don't know why. I just don't like it, but it could be worse.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 20:57:32 GMT -5
Exactly which missing SkyClan cats come back, besides Frecklewish, Fidgetpaw, Nettlesplash, Mintfur, and their kits? I'm assuming Cloudmist and Cherrytail return too. Yep, they return as well. And that's everyone.
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