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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 2, 2017 17:44:00 GMT -5
I'd rather have Shadowclan than Skyclan anyday. At least the cats there are somewhat interesting. None of the Skyclan cats really spoke to me like Shadowclan does.
Maybe the writers should cut them some slack and make the other clans suffer like them.
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 2, 2017 17:50:34 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵I had totally forgotten about those. Oh! And don't forget they stole kits, too, and several of them became rogues with Brokenstar because they wanted to -- not because they had to. Again, we're probably forgetting a bunch of other stuff. The thing is, I actually don't mind ShadowClan and I think they have very interesting characters and awesome individuals...I get they're supposed to be the "bad" Clan and some say are evil on purpose because the Erins needed an supposedly-evil Clan, but still lol some folks compare them to Slytherin, but I love Slytherin, and not even they're as bad as ShadowClan. As a whole, ShadowClan is seriously so terrible????
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 2, 2017 17:54:21 GMT -5
I'd rather have Shadowclan than Skyclan anyday. At least the cats there are somewhat interesting. None of the Skyclan cats really spoke to me like Shadowclan does. Maybe the writers should cut them some slack and make the other clans suffer like them. That's why I'm so exasperated. Everything awful happens to them! All these events we've seen from the above instances are spread out over the time throughout different leaders and different cats in a very short time period of the last 10ish (?) years...it's not as though it's just one bad cat, or a time period of just a bad group of warriors in quick succession. It's a never-ending course of terrible acts so make it to where ShadowClan, as a whole unit, is awful.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 18:34:22 GMT -5
Beenose, Mistcloud, Lioneye, Dawnpelt (but we knew this already) and Needletail. I wonder if Lioneye's other siblings... whatever their names where, are still alive somewhere. Weren't there like two other ones besides Puddleshine. I think one was named Slate or something. Birchbark was with Lioneye. Slatefur is still missing.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 18:35:19 GMT -5
Mintfur and Nettlesplash's kits are Palepaw-black and white she cat with amber eyes Gravelpaw- Tan tom Nectarpaw- brown Fringepaw- black No genders for the last two. I only read through it once so far, but I think Nectarpaw's a she-cat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:36:23 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 I had totally forgotten about those. Oh! And don't forget they stole kits, too, and several of them became rogues with Brokenstar because they wanted to -- not because they had to. Again, we're probably forgetting a bunch of other stuff. The thing is, I actually don't mind ShadowClan and I think they have very interesting characters and awesome individuals...I get they're supposed to be the "bad" Clan and some say are evil on purpose because the Erins needed an supposedly-evil Clan, but still lol some folks compare them to Slytherin, but I love Slytherin, and not even they're as bad as ShadowClan. As a whole, ShadowClan is seriously so terrible???? I think the problem is that ShadowClan has never been able to recover from Brokenstar's reign. Brokenstar brought ShadowClan to its knees as soon as he took over, and they've never been able to regain their footing. And since there weren't any cats suitable for the leadership position after Brokenstar was overthrown, this has allowed for a long line of bad leaders who continue to make ShadowClan worse. While Nightstar wasn't an awful leader, he was too old to be the leader ShadowClan needed during those dark times. Tigerstar strengthened ShadowClan a bit, but at the end of the day he just created more problems than he solved. Blackstar has always been a blind follower, not a leader. He easily falls for everything, and was never very good at making choices. He followed Brokenstar, Tigerstar, and Sol all without a second thought. Whenever times got tough, he was ready to just thrown in the towel and give up. Rowanstar was the same way. It's hard for a Clan to be strong when the leader itself isn't. ShadowClan's leaders just keep setting them up for failure and the problem continues from one generation to the next. I only hope Tigerheart can get them started in the right direction, but it probably won't be for a couple more generations that they're back where they used to be. They've got a lot of learned behaviors that they need to let go of before they can change.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 18:42:26 GMT -5
Barley's still alive. He made an appearance in the book since we passed his barn to go to the gorge. We also saw Purdy and Hollyleaf in StarClan.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 18:52:12 GMT -5
Did Rowanstar name a deputy in Tigerheart's absence? I just finished reading the book, so I can safely say that he did not. Instead at the Gathering near the end of the book he practically disbanded ShadowClan and gave their whole territory to SkyClan even asking SkyClan if they could stay with them. At the end of book he decided to just go by Rowanclaw.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:00:29 GMT -5
I officially ship Twigpaw and Finpaw and I'm mad at Sandynose. Twigpaw doesn't have the same bond with Sandynose as she did with Ivypool. Sandynose never really believed that Twigpaw was a loyal SkyClan cat. He was even noted to be glaring at her at the gathering just to make sure she doesn't go talking to ThunderClan. (Twigpaw wanted to tell Lilyheart how sorry she was about Snowbush) and he also told Twigpaw to stay away from Finpaw. Practically told her to break Finpaw's spirit because he needed to concentrate with his training.
Finpaw went to talk to Twigpaw at one point and Sandynose was watching. She told Finpaw what his father had told her and Finpaw believed that it was because Sandynose was disappointed in him and that he would never be the great warrior he wanted him to be. (Finpaw lost a part of his tail after a tree branch fell on it. They had to cut part of his tail off). When Finpaw left. Sandynose thought it meant that Twigpaw had gotten him to leave. Not really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 19:03:39 GMT -5
Did Rowanstar name a deputy in Tigerheart's absence? I just finished reading the book, so I can safely say that he did not. Instead at the Gathering near the end of the book he practically disbanded ShadowClan and gave their whole territory to SkyClan even asking SkyClan if they could stay with them. At the end of book he decided to just go by Rowanclaw. How did the other Clans react?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:07:27 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵I had totally forgotten about those. Oh! And don't forget they stole kits, too, and several of them became rogues with Brokenstar because they wanted to -- not because they had to. Again, we're probably forgetting a bunch of other stuff. The thing is, I actually don't mind ShadowClan and I think they have very interesting characters and awesome individuals...I get they're supposed to be the "bad" Clan and some say are evil on purpose because the Erins needed an supposedly-evil Clan, but still lol some folks compare them to Slytherin, but I love Slytherin, and not even they're as bad as ShadowClan. As a whole, ShadowClan is seriously so terrible???? Exactly! There are good cats in the Clan, but I just feel like making them suffer time and time again is seriously overdoing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 19:08:00 GMT -5
Hollyleaf appears??? Does she have any lines, or it it just a cameo? Did Violetshine receive her name before Twigpaw left or afterwords? How did she react to her leaving?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:10:04 GMT -5
Barley's still alive. He made an appearance in the book since we passed his barn to go to the gorge. We also saw Purdy and Hollyleaf in StarClan. Barley has officially become the new Purdy. Great that Hollyleaf appears, though.
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Post by soulheart on Nov 2, 2017 19:12:03 GMT -5
I officially ship Twigpaw and Finpaw and I'm mad at Sandynose. Twigpaw doesn't have the same bond with Sandynose as she did with Ivypool. Sandynose never really believed that Twigpaw was a loyal SkyClan cat. He was even noted to be glaring at her at the gathering just to make sure she doesn't go talking to ThunderClan. (Twigpaw wanted to tell Lilyheart how sorry she was about Snowbush) and he also told Twigpaw to stay away from Finpaw. Practically told her to break Finpaw's spirit because he needed to concentrate with his training. Finpaw went to talk to Twigpaw at one point and Sandynose was watching. She told Finpaw what his father had told her and Finpaw believed that it was because Sandynose was disappointed in him and that he would never be the great warrior he wanted him to be. (Finpaw lost a part of his tail after a tree branch fell on it. They had to cut part of his tail off). When Finpaw left. Sandynose thought it meant that Twigpaw had gotten him to leave. Not really. But Finpaw eventually joins ThunderClan with Twigpaw right? Is he accepted by Thunderclan? Who's his mentor in tc?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:13:11 GMT -5
Did Rowanstar name a deputy in Tigerheart's absence? I just finished reading the book, so I can safely say that he did not. Instead at the Gathering near the end of the book he practically disbanded ShadowClan and gave their whole territory to SkyClan even asking SkyClan if they could stay with them. At the end of book he decided to just go by Rowanclaw. What the heck, Rowanclaw? After everything they've gone through to get back his Clan, why would he just want to disband it? Well, at least now we know why he went back to his old name.
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Post by soulheart on Nov 2, 2017 19:14:49 GMT -5
I have this feeling that one of Dove's kits will move to tc. Maybe Lightkit?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:16:43 GMT -5
I officially ship Twigpaw and Finpaw and I'm mad at Sandynose. Twigpaw doesn't have the same bond with Sandynose as she did with Ivypool. Sandynose never really believed that Twigpaw was a loyal SkyClan cat. He was even noted to be glaring at her at the gathering just to make sure she doesn't go talking to ThunderClan. (Twigpaw wanted to tell Lilyheart how sorry she was about Snowbush) and he also told Twigpaw to stay away from Finpaw. Practically told her to break Finpaw's spirit because he needed to concentrate with his training. Finpaw went to talk to Twigpaw at one point and Sandynose was watching. She told Finpaw what his father had told her and Finpaw believed that it was because Sandynose was disappointed in him and that he would never be the great warrior he wanted him to be. (Finpaw lost a part of his tail after a tree branch fell on it. They had to cut part of his tail off). When Finpaw left. Sandynose thought it meant that Twigpaw had gotten him to leave. Not really. Yikes. Poor Twigpaw and Finpaw. Sandynose seems harsh.
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Post by gonxkillua on Nov 2, 2017 19:19:43 GMT -5
I have this feeling that one of Dove's kits will move to tc. Maybe Lightkit? I hope not because imo TC dosent need anymore cats.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:26:44 GMT -5
I just finished reading the book, so I can safely say that he did not. Instead at the Gathering near the end of the book he practically disbanded ShadowClan and gave their whole territory to SkyClan even asking SkyClan if they could stay with them. At the end of book he decided to just go by Rowanclaw. How did the other Clans react? At this particular Gathering it was stated that Tigerheart had disappeared only a few days prior.
This is what Rowanstar said:
"I have been struggling to hold ShadowClan together. I had hoped, with a strong deputy like Tigerheart, that we could overcome the betrayals that have split the Clan over the past moons. But Tigerheart has left us. I could not hold the faith of my Clan before the rogues split us in two. I do not have the strength to repair the wounds that have been inflicted since then. I can no longer lead ShadowClan."
The only ShadowClan cats who looked alarmed were Whorlpaw, Snakepaw and Flowerpaw. Scorchfur was staring at Rowanstar was an unreadable expression and Juniperclaw whispered something in Strikestone's ear.
As Rowanstar went on he said: "Leafstar. I give our territory to you in exchange for a home. Let me and whatever Clanmates I have left, join SkyClan."
Scorchfur got angry at Rowanstar for giving their territory away and ShadowClan started arguing among themselves. It was noted that Grassheart and Stonewing stayed close to their kits. Puddleshine supported Rowanstar. Stonewing stated that if they train their apprentices in SkyClan they can become better warriors then they have been.
This is was Leafstar had to say:
"We will welcome any ShadowClan warriors who wish to join us. We will be honored to have them. But those who do not join must leave the territory. I will not have outcasts living on the land Rowanstar has given us."
Nightcloud stated that SkyClan must not replace ShadowClan and Leafpool said that this wasn't what StarClan meant when they led them here. Sparkpelt accused SkyClan of quickly claiming the territory.
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Post by Lightflame on Nov 2, 2017 19:29:35 GMT -5
I also just finished reading my copy of this absolute dumpster fire. I shouldn't be shocked at how terrible the new team is at every level, but I think I still am.
I'm also just flabbergasted by how much they hate Alderheart. If they despise him so much, why did they even create him in the first place?
Anyway, as you can tell, I am extremely salty, but ask me anything about the book.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:31:07 GMT -5
I also just finished reading my copy of this absolute dumpster fire. I shouldn't be shocked at how terrible the new team is at every level, but I think I still am. I'm also just flabbergasted by how much they hate Alderheart. If they despise him so much, why did they even create him in the first place? Anyway, as you can tell, I am extremely salty, but ask me anything about the book. Specifically, what did you think was bad about this book?
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Post by Pixie on Nov 2, 2017 19:32:05 GMT -5
I also just finished reading my copy of this absolute dumpster fire. I shouldn't be shocked at how terrible the new team is at every level, but I think I still am. I'm also just flabbergasted by how much they hate Alderheart. If they despise him so much, why did they even create him in the first place? Anyway, as you can tell, I am extremely salty, but ask me anything about the book. Did you enjoy anything about this book?
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Post by Lightflame on Nov 2, 2017 19:35:22 GMT -5
I also just finished reading my copy of this absolute dumpster fire. I shouldn't be shocked at how terrible the new team is at every level, but I think I still am. I'm also just flabbergasted by how much they hate Alderheart. If they despise him so much, why did they even create him in the first place? Anyway, as you can tell, I am extremely salty, but ask me anything about the book. Did you enjoy anything about this book? - Alderheart and Sparkpelt making amends was a good scene, even if it was meaningless. - Finpaw and Twigpaw had some cute scenes, although it was way too rushed and her entire storyline was about Finpaw. - One of the sisters going back to their Clan. I was worried that the new team were stupid enough to actually have both sisters permanently stay in SkyClan.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:36:43 GMT -5
Hollyleaf appears??? Does she have any lines, or it it just a cameo? Did Violetshine receive her name before Twigpaw left or afterwords? How did she react to her leaving? Leafpool spots her and she's noted as being very happy, her eyes brimming with emotion. Hollyleaf blinked at her mother lovingly before going up to her to nuzzle her. Leafpool asked Hollyleaf if she's happy here and Hollyleaf replies that she's at peace.
Purdy only makes a short cameo, but Alderheart is noted to be happy to see him.
Violetshine receives her name before Twigpaw left. She wasn't happy and she accused Twigpaw of abandoning her again.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 2, 2017 19:42:15 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving:
"They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you."
No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness.
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 2, 2017 19:43:47 GMT -5
I just finished reading the book, so I can safely say that he did not. Instead at the Gathering near the end of the book he practically disbanded ShadowClan and gave their whole territory to SkyClan even asking SkyClan if they could stay with them. At the end of book he decided to just go by Rowanclaw. Oh my gosh I'm laughing at the fact that it turns out Rowanclaw tried to give ShadowClan over to SkyClan! Dang. I haven't even read the book, and somehow my thoughts were what happened. Then...of course, Tigerheart came back sigh I officially ship Twigpaw and Finpaw and I'm mad at Sandynose. Twigpaw doesn't have the same bond with Sandynose as she did with Ivypool. Sandynose never really believed that Twigpaw was a loyal SkyClan cat. He was even noted to be glaring at her at the gathering just to make sure she doesn't go talking to ThunderClan. (Twigpaw wanted to tell Lilyheart how sorry she was about Snowbush) and he also told Twigpaw to stay away from Finpaw. Practically told her to break Finpaw's spirit because he needed to concentrate with his training. Finpaw went to talk to Twigpaw at one point and Sandynose was watching. She told Finpaw what his father had told her and Finpaw believed that it was because Sandynose was disappointed in him and that he would never be the great warrior he wanted him to be. (Finpaw lost a part of his tail after a tree branch fell on it. They had to cut part of his tail off). When Finpaw left. Sandynose thought it meant that Twigpaw had gotten him to leave. Not really. Sandynose is awful confirmed I can't lie to you guys...I was looking for a reason to dislike him since he came back after Hawkwing had acted as Sandynose's kits' father. I felt bad, because I knew it was wrong, but dang. I feel better now...I wonder if Sandynose treats his kits badly because he knows they prefer (maybe still prefer?) Hawkwing? I feel bad for his kits, though, and wonder what Plumwillow thinks The way Sandynose treats Twigpaw sounds awful to. Maybe she figured all of SkyClan would be like that, and that's why she went back to ThunderClan? Kinda like a Tawnypelt situation? Dang.
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Post by Pixie on Nov 2, 2017 19:44:06 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving: "They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you." No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness. Any stand out scenes with Twigpaw that don't involve Finpaw?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 2, 2017 19:45:12 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving: "They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you." No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness. Finpaw is so sweet! But yeah, Bramblestar not trusting Twigpaw is understandable. Glad her fickleness was addressed.
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Post by Mayflower on Nov 2, 2017 19:46:50 GMT -5
This is what Finpaw said regarding Twigpaw and her family while Twigpaw is leaving: "They can manage without me. I don't care if I'm ThunderClan or SkyClan or even ShadowClan. Just as long as I'm with you." No clue on mentor yet. Bramblestar hasn't officially accepted Finpaw into the Clan stating that he left SkyClan to quickly. Bramblestar is also worried about Twigpaw's fickleness. I can't blame him. She does come off as very fickle...and from your last post, about Violetshine being upset, I can't blame her, either Oh, Twigpaw. I know you're trying to find where your heart lies, but this is not the way to do it. Nobody's going to trust her loyalty at this rate. She's the sort of cat who'd hesitate in battle when faced with the Clan who has her family. I can't see her fighting SkyClan if need be in battle.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 2, 2017 19:48:22 GMT -5
Do Mintfur's kits get mentors?
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