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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 19:36:41 GMT -5
How about Foxheart any opinion of her and why do you dislike Jessy
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 26, 2016 19:45:08 GMT -5
How about Foxheart any opinion of her and why do you dislike Jessy I personally, had this amazing hatred and irritation towards Foxheart. She would be so blatantly about her jealousy, it turned her character sour, bitter, gross, you name it. She was't deputy material either, she didn't deserve that position. And I don't like how she so willingly went along with everything Raggedstar did, acting like they were mates. She even proudly accepted the rumors of other cats thinking she's the mother of Brokenkit. She didn't care because it was Raggedstar's son. She's too much of an unlikable cat, even when she's not antagonized Yellowfang, she's still hanging around in a "mean girls" group. Basically she's a brat. I don't like Jessy because of how hard the Erin's tried to make her likable. She's a kittypet, but she's almost perfect. She could hunt right off the bat, she could hold her own in battle, even against badgers. She was so eager to teach other cats, so she'd make a good mentor apparently, she's also smart tactical wise. However she kept bumping heads with Squirrelflight, sticking her nose where it didn't belong, and being utterly disrespectful to other clan cats. As a guest, let alone a kittypet, she had no right tbh. I also didn't like how she pulled her nest closer to Bramblestar, without him knowing, when he slept, like they were already mates. And the reasoning for the Erins to bring her in was so she'd be for plot fodder between Squirrelflight and Bramblestar. She was literally like a Squirrelpaw 2.0 just way more cringy imo. I found Minty to be more interesting than her tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 19:48:49 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ thank the lords you hate them. I honestly hate Foxheart because she acted like she was all that and was a know it all. She just wanted attention so she could be RaggedStar's mate. Jessy, I have this hatred inside me that Dislikes her soo much. I mean her and Bramble's relationship was honestly too rushed and undeveloped imo. I dislike both.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 26, 2016 20:06:17 GMT -5
❅Maplefrost❅ thank the lords you hate them. I honestly hate Foxheart because she acted like she was all that and was a know it all. She just wanted attention so she could be RaggedStar's mate. Jessy, I have this hatred inside me that Dislikes her soo much. I mean her and Bramble's relationship was honestly too rushed and undeveloped imo. I dislike both. I'm honestly not too big of a Bramble fan either. I dislike the fact he was chasing after Jessy, when Squirrlflight is still there. And he seemed so desperate when Jessy was leaving. It reminded me of Stormtail, Moonflower and Dappletail, and it makes me cringe. |
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 26, 2016 20:31:17 GMT -5
He was the one being bullied, left out, basically forgotten. He wasn't wanted there, not even by his own mother. It wasn't quite pettiness either though, because he was a kit. The only ones that mattered to him were his siblings and mother, and none of them cared for him very much. I mean, sure, his mom defended him from time to time but it was obvious she favored Socks and Ruby.
It was strategy. He struck a lot of fear into the clans as he easily killed Tigerstar, which was unrealistic but the Erins are to blame for that. He was to be feared by the clans then as he had just killed a very powerful warrior in one swipe. If they had done Fire vs Tiger anyway, it would go on for a very long time and be annoying until one of them wiped out the other's nine lives.
He wasn't really that untrustworthy to his own clan. If Tigerstar had actually remembered way back when when he was an apprentice, then he would have recalled how Scourge was the cat he beat up. It was Tigerstar's decision to team with him, a cat who wanted to kill him. So sure, to Tigerstar he was untrustworthy but that was because of their history.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 27, 2016 3:35:17 GMT -5
He was the one being bullied, left out, basically forgotten. He wasn't wanted there, not even by his own mother. It wasn't quite pettiness either though, because he was a kit. The only ones that mattered to him were his siblings and mother, and none of them cared for him very much. I mean, sure, his mom defended him from time to time but it was obvious she favored Socks and Ruby. It was strategy. He struck a lot of fear into the clans as he easily killed Tigerstar, which was unrealistic but the Erins are to blame for that. He was to be feared by the clans then as he had just killed a very powerful warrior in one swipe. If they had done Fire vs Tiger anyway, it would go on for a very long time and be annoying until one of them wiped out the other's nine lives. He wasn't really that untrustworthy to his own clan. If Tigerstar had actually remembered way back when when he was an apprentice, then he would have recalled how Scourge was the cat he beat up. It was Tigerstar's decision to team with him, a cat who wanted to kill him. So sure, to Tigerstar he was untrustworthy but that was because of their history. Quince loved Tiny just as much as she loved her other kits. It was Tiny who thought she liked the other two more, but she was always defending him from his siblings. And telling them to play nice. Do you have siblings? Because sibling rivalry is normal, and the older siblings tends to make the younger ones, the odd one out. It's called superiority and inferiority complexes. Unless you have blatant evidence that Quince loved Ruby and Socks more than Tiny, than this is just your own personal view on things. We don't see Quince behaving like Millie, or even Rainflower in anyway, and both of them are known mothers that would prefer one kit over the other. Also Scourge felt remorse after leaving his mother, regret, not telling her where he went and what happened to him, he also gave himself the name Scourge because he heard his mother say it once before. Quince was a good mother, and treated Tiny equally, and also wanted him to be treated equally. She did call out looking for him when he went missing, and when she found out, she said he was brave, she wasn't angry like he'd thought she'd be, while also defending hima gain, from Ruby and Socks taunting. Not really. Just like how Scourge proved a cat can lose all 9 lives in one fight, the same could have happened between Tiger and Fire. I'm pretty sure neither would stop until the other was dead, because allowing Tigerstar to live would have been something Firestar would have regretted. He had to be killed, like Brokenstar. I also still don't see what Scourge did as strategic, it was still bad writing on the Erin's part, and it doesn't make me like Scourge any more or less as a villain. Villain wise, his reasoning for becoming what he is is quite weak. But the fact that Tigerstar didn't remember, just showed how much he didn't care about that encounter in the first place. Also Scourge took no effort to track him down for what he did, he did more of an opportunistic convenience when Tigerstar showed up at his doorsteps instead, which again, is lazy writing imo. |
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 27, 2016 17:34:43 GMT -5
The only times it was shown she did defend him was when it was completely obvious and something needed to be done. She does focus on Socks and Ruby more than on Tiny, as she is actually shown playing with them in a way of telling them how to attack. I do have siblings, and yes we play around, but never to an extent where we say we would basically be better off without you. It doesn't need to be obvious though when a mother favors a child though, it can be something as simple as showing them the lightest favoritism or focus. Alsi, Scourge wasn't entirely sorry for leaving his mom, he knew he had no home there anymore. He gave himself the name Scourge because he did heere her say it, but that really doesn't show anything as he did it because of the description she gave. He didn't care that she was the one who said it, he cared tat it was a name given to 'those savages' that are 'a scourge in the name of all good cats'. It had nothing to do with his mother, and when he came back from his adventure, his mom didn't actually believe him. She basically smiled and nodded, saying a false praise.
Scourge managed to do that that thanks to dog claws, Firestar and Tigerstar did not have that. So it probably would run on for quite a while. And with backstory, he was a very impressionable kit. Bullied by his siblings. The second time he goes out into the forest, he beaten by this cat who was told he didn't need to. And then, Bluefur and Thistleclaw just watched until Blue put an end to it. Of course he would want revenge on the clans for that as a kit, he just held that grudge for a long time, mostly against Tigerstar.
He still had a clan to look out for and because Tigerstar came for help, not only did he have his chance for revenge, but he heard how the clans were in shambles and against one another. It was a opportunistic convenience. But, if he had suddenly told his cats they were taking over the forest, they would probably disagree as they had no idea how what position the clans were in, or how great they were.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 28, 2016 20:17:05 GMT -5
The only times it was shown she did defend him was when it was completely obvious and something needed to be done. She does focus on Socks and Ruby more than on Tiny, as she is actually shown playing with them in a way of telling them how to attack. I do have siblings, and yes we play around, but never to an extent where we say we would basically be better off without you. It doesn't need to be obvious though when a mother favors a child though, it can be something as simple as showing them the lightest favoritism or focus. Alsi, Scourge wasn't entirely sorry for leaving his mom, he knew he had no home there anymore. He gave himself the name Scourge because he did heere her say it, but that really doesn't show anything as he did it because of the description she gave. He didn't care that she was the one who said it, he cared tat it was a name given to 'those savages' that are 'a scourge in the name of all good cats'. It had nothing to do with his mother, and when he came back from his adventure, his mom didn't actually believe him. She basically smiled and nodded, saying a false praise. Scourge managed to do that that thanks to dog claws, Firestar and Tigerstar did not have that. So it probably would run on for quite a while. And with backstory, he was a very impressionable kit. Bullied by his siblings. The second time he goes out into the forest, he beaten by this cat who was told he didn't need to. And then, Bluefur and Thistleclaw just watched until Blue put an end to it. Of course he would want revenge on the clans for that as a kit, he just held that grudge for a long time, mostly against Tigerstar. He still had a clan to look out for and because Tigerstar came for help, not only did he have his chance for revenge, but he heard how the clans were in shambles and against one another. It was a opportunistic convenience. But, if he had suddenly told his cats they were taking over the forest, they would probably disagree as they had no idea how what position the clans were in, or how great they were. Quince defended him when the two other siblings picked and teased on him in front of her, obviously she'll scold them and tell them to play with him. She is their mother. Quince wasn't painted like a bad mother, so I don't think she is. She had nothing to do with how Scourge turned out, and he never held anything but regret for leaving her without warning. And like I said before, and example of a mother favoring her one kit over the other would be Millie and Rainflower, Quince was like neither. My opinion won't change on that, because you don't have any substantial evidence that proves she is a bad mother. Also what we got was only from Scourge's perspective anyways, his siblings kept putting those things into his head, at a young impressionable age. We don't know how Quince felt, but we DO see her care for him just as much as she cared for Socks and Ruby. There is also not enough on her to truley know how she is on her own, all we have to go on is what was in the manga, and Scourge POV. And in the end, even if he did feel that she preferred the other two over him, that's his opinion, and he still regretted leaving her side. Does it matter? Maybe some would have enjoyed them clashing until death. Also a cat CAN die, and lose all their lives in a fatal blow. There have been instances where cats have had their bellies ripped open without claws, or threats thrown around to do this. Also other fatal attacks could have been used, like going for the throat. In the end I'd still prefer a Tiger vs Fire fight over the half-effort "twist" the Erin's pulled in the very last book so randomly out of place. It's still bad writing imo. To me Scourge isn't that good of a villain, doesn't have a real viable excuse for becoming what he did, and as a overall character, he's boring to me. I even find Slash to be more villanous than him. And I don't have much sympathy for him either. Oh boo hoo his sibling childishly picked on him, and he got beat up, so now he's gonna take over the alleys and try to murder a bunch of other cats. Like??? I don't know who's reasoning was worse, his or Sol's. |
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Post by ivypool on Sept 28, 2016 20:55:01 GMT -5
was pinestar meant to be there 3 times on purpose, or was it meant to be pinestar, pinenose, and someone else?
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 28, 2016 21:02:08 GMT -5
I will give you that, you are right as it never did show her point of view- but that doesn't change how Scourge/Tiny felt about it. Which is really what the main topic here is, he felt as though she still favored Socks and Ruby and that is what matters. He thought his mom loved his siblings more than him. That affected him. And, it never said he regretted leaving her. Not once- what he did do was recall things she said. But it never said he ever regretted leaving her side, he simply left with a quiet "Good-bye, mama." (35). That was it, it did not say he wish he didn't leave her.
And there would be others that didn't like it. Oh, those cats most likely only had one life, it was not as if Tigerstar or Firestar sharpened their claws a whole lot before battle to simply do that. The only time it was shown when a cat lost all of his lives as a leader with all of their lives was Tigerstar. That twist wasn't really Scourge's fault though, you have no reason to blame him as it was the Erin's fault for that.
He was an easily affected kit at the time it was happening. It affected his life greatly, to be neglected by his siblings, tossed around like a bean-bag, and being pretty much ignored anytime he tried to ask for help. There was something wrong with his mind and how he though, hence why he thought it would be a good idea to take over the alleys and kill cats that got in his way. Taking over the alley's allowed him to be powerful, it allowed him to gain allies and others would would kill for him. Kill the wrongdoers in his life who screwed him over and caused him to become the demented cat he was.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 28, 2016 22:40:18 GMT -5
I will give you that, you are right as it never did show her point of view- but that doesn't change how Scourge/Tiny felt about it. Which is really what the main topic here is, he felt as though she still favored Socks and Ruby and that is what matters. He thought his mom loved his siblings more than him. That affected him. And, it never said he regretted leaving her. Not once- what he did do was recall things she said. But it never said he ever regretted leaving her side, he simply left with a quiet "Good-bye, mama." (35). That was it, it did not say he wish he didn't leave her. And there would be others that didn't like it. Oh, those cats most likely only had one life, it was not as if Tigerstar or Firestar sharpened their claws a whole lot before battle to simply do that. The only time it was shown when a cat lost all of his lives as a leader with all of their lives was Tigerstar. That twist wasn't really Scourge's fault though, you have no reason to blame him as it was the Erin's fault for that. He was an easily affected kit at the time it was happening. It affected his life greatly, to be neglected by his siblings, tossed around like a bean-bag, and being pretty much ignored anytime he tried to ask for help. There was something wrong with his mind and how he though, hence why he thought it would be a good idea to take over the alleys and kill cats that got in his way. Taking over the alley's allowed him to be powerful, it allowed him to gain allies and others would would kill for him. Kill the wrongdoers in his life who screwed him over and caused him to become the demented cat he was. To show remorse, is to show regret. So yes he did regret leaving her, but this was later on. And a mother can't control how her child feels, the only thing they can do is their best at making them happy, and that's what Quince did. She is by no means a bad mother or one of the reasons why Scourge became who he did later on. My opinion won't change here either, I am one of the people who would have preferred a Tiger vs Fire in this series, instead of the terrible one they got almost over three series later. All that build up for nothing, and I blame Scourge as much as the Erins because they used him to intricate such bad writing. We knew nothing of Scourge until the Erin's last minute input of their existence into the plot. Just because your siblings were jerks as kids doesn't make what he did viable, let alone a good reason. His mother was still there to support him, love him, and protect him. But he still left her, he is a weak character at heart imo, because he gave into such negative attributes. Another reason why I find him to be boring. He hasn't experienced "real loss" as a character. It was his choice to leave, and it was on baseless assumptions, and jerky siblings. The only cats that attributed to what he became was Tigerclaw who was commanded by Thistleclaw to attack him, Bluestar was also there. Also his siblings, but he didn't do anything to them but feed them and send them away. Like he let one bad experience with a random cat, one beating him up, get to him, and his siblings childish taunting?? Again, I don't think it's very credible for his reasoning of becoming what he did. I think Scourge is a flat villain, character, and so on. So again, I don't like him, and I feel no sympathy for him either. He's just horribly written, and didn't help the plot at all tbh. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 28, 2016 22:40:56 GMT -5
was pinestar meant to be there 3 times on purpose, or was it meant to be pinestar, pinenose, and someone else? That was actually on purpose for lol's at one point. |
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 28, 2016 23:33:30 GMT -5
Regret is 'to feel sad, repentant, or disappointed over (something that has happened or been done, especially a loss or missed opportunity). He was not sad when he left, it was his own choice to in which I will elaborate on more. He was not repenting, and he was not disappointed. He did not have any regret about leaving her, leaving her is what got him to be in such a high position actually. It would be the opposite of regret if anything.
They thought they were doing something awesome by bringing in a plot twist for one. Secondly, a Tiger vs Fire would not have turned out well. Both had nine lives. It would be them repeatedly killing one another, and as Firestar was a much more honorable cat he would most likely give Tigerstar a chance to get up and continue fighting. Tigerstar would simply keep killing him until he was dead, in fact Firestar would have died a lot sooner in the series as he would have lost more lives. It was better they had a Scourge vs Fire as Scourge had only one life and it wouldn't go on forever. Also, all of the clans wouldn't have teamed up for the first time- it would have been two clans at war if they did not include Scourge and Bloodclan. No matter what, Fire vs Tiger would have been awful.
He was a child at the time. Of course he would give into negative attributes as the only love he ever got was from his mother, who in his opinion still favored his siblings. He left her because if he went back, he freaking believed he would be thrown into the river. He believed it would happen, and as we saw in Sasha's manga, it actually happened. A kit was thrown into the river so it really could have happened to him and he was scared. And then, he does go into the forest where Tigerpaw at the time attacks him with permission from his mentor. Bluestar and Thistleclaw just watched for a few minutes before she called it off. She took time to actually call it off, how awful is that. No wonder he disliked clan cats from the wild. He was a freaking kit during most of this. As he grew up, other cats helped him feed on this anger and hatred. Such as that group of cats that were bullying other cats in the alleys for one. He killed them to get his point across that he should not be messed with, nor his cats. He was partially insane, and he saw these people as bullies to his cats. You know who else he saw as bullies? Socks, Ruby, and Tigerpaw. You cannot say that they were simply jerks to their brother. They were bullies. After all, a bully is defined as 'a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.' His siblings did that all the time, repeatedly. He had a very bad experience with bullies, and he happened to associate bullies with the wildcats because of his experiences. Actually, now that I look back at it, those cats in the alley were... bum bum bum.... Brokenstar and his followers. Aka, wildcats- from the forest. More bullies from there, he has a rather bad association with them, huh? Ah, and when he did team up with Tigerstar for a small time, Tigerstar attempted to boss him around and his clan. Scourge was not going to put up with anymore bossing around, as Tigerstar thought he was stronger and could bully Tiny around. There is a pattern here with Scourge and bullies, and to say that has no affect on his character is silly.
His real loss is his innocence. The innocence that all children, kits in this case, should have until they start to see the true colors. His brother and sister bullied him for a very long time, something that really shouldn't have happened despite how long they were alive. In fact, I haven't seen that many kits bullying their siblings like Scourge's siblings did to him.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2016 2:45:34 GMT -5
Crow, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
I still believe Quince is a good mother, and Scourge still regretted leaving her.
I still believe that the supposed "twist" wasn't really a twist but a "lie" and destroyed the build up for the series.
I still don't think Scourge is that good of a character, let alone a villain. If anything, you've convinced me to dislike him even more.
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 29, 2016 7:03:36 GMT -5
I suppose we just will have to.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 30, 2016 20:03:34 GMT -5
bump.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 21:38:50 GMT -5
Why do you hate Sol and Millie? I didn't care for Sol much as a villain. He was manipulative, yes, but didn't seem like much of a fighter. Also Midnight telling him important information, made no sense to me. It made more trouble than it was worth, and even when he came back around the second time, I still couldn't believe cats fell for his crud. He's like a less cooler version of Hawkfrost, imo. But his design is nice, even if it's unrealistic. Also his grudge is ridiculous, "SkyClan kicked me out so I'mma wreak havoc on other clans, at least attempt too!" like?? I don't like Milie, like a lot, for one, her design is too close to Silverstream, whether the Erin's say it was a coincidence or not, I just didn't like it. I hate her name, it irks me every time an outsider cat is let into the Clan and they don't change their name, it's been an issue more than once in the clans. I hate how she and Graystripe hooked up, it was unnecessary, and only for new bloodline fodder in the Clans, so the Erins don't have them interbreed so badly. And I hate, hate how she treated her kids. She's disgustingly ableist with Briarlight, neglects both Blossomfall and Bumblestripe, and verbally abuses Blossomfall. Meanwhile, during Graystripe's whole journey he talks about how much he loves Silverstream, and when they get back he doesn't even seem to pay her much mind, let alone his kits. Did I mention Millie is disrepectful toward Graystripe's beliefs in StarClan. Or the time Graystripe called out to Silverstream in the Last Hope. making it very obvious he still wanted to be with her, like?? If Graystripe was so satisfied with his current life, then that scene wouldn't even be necessary. Millie is annoying, and so are the 3 B's. When was Millie so disrespectful toward Silverstream in TLH? They never met. If anything, Graystripe was being disrespectful for still acting like he loves Silver more than Millie. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 1, 2016 3:44:53 GMT -5
I didn't care for Sol much as a villain. He was manipulative, yes, but didn't seem like much of a fighter. Also Midnight telling him important information, made no sense to me. It made more trouble than it was worth, and even when he came back around the second time, I still couldn't believe cats fell for his crud. He's like a less cooler version of Hawkfrost, imo. But his design is nice, even if it's unrealistic. Also his grudge is ridiculous, "SkyClan kicked me out so I'mma wreak havoc on other clans, at least attempt too!" like?? I don't like Milie, like a lot, for one, her design is too close to Silverstream, whether the Erin's say it was a coincidence or not, I just didn't like it. I hate her name, it irks me every time an outsider cat is let into the Clan and they don't change their name, it's been an issue more than once in the clans. I hate how she and Graystripe hooked up, it was unnecessary, and only for new bloodline fodder in the Clans, so the Erins don't have them interbreed so badly. And I hate, hate how she treated her kids. She's disgustingly ableist with Briarlight, neglects both Blossomfall and Bumblestripe, and verbally abuses Blossomfall. Meanwhile, during Graystripe's whole journey he talks about how much he loves Silverstream, and when they get back he doesn't even seem to pay her much mind, let alone his kits. Did I mention Millie is disrepectful toward Graystripe's beliefs in StarClan. Or the time Graystripe called out to Silverstream in the Last Hope. making it very obvious he still wanted to be with her, like?? If Graystripe was so satisfied with his current life, then that scene wouldn't even be necessary. Millie is annoying, and so are the 3 B's. When was Millie so disrespectful toward Silverstream in TLH? They never met. If anything, Graystripe was being disrespectful for still acting like he loves Silver more than Millie. I didn't say Silverstream. I said StarClan, and this was when Briarlight was injured, and she kept sputtering how her twolegs could have saved her, and also questioning StarClan, much to every other cat's shock. She's also always on Jayfeather's case, when ever he's trying to tend to her, I don't know how she expects Briar to get better when she keeps pestering her healer, who know's exactly what he's doing. Also Graystripe wasn't acting, he still wholeheartedly loves Silverstream, the Last Hope pretty much confirmed that, and I don't blame him either. His new family is pretty disappointing. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 2, 2016 19:24:21 GMT -5
bump.
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Post by sphagnosidum on Oct 2, 2016 19:31:55 GMT -5
Yes, I hate Crowfeather too.
Although I kind of like him at the same time in the newer books because I feel like he is one of those characters that the Erins still care deeply about, so it makes reading more enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:38:04 GMT -5
❈ -- why do you hate all the evil catsssssssssssssssssss
they produce action. They're awesome.
besides Mapleshade. everyone (literally) loves her
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 3, 2016 6:14:18 GMT -5
Yes, I hate Crowfeather too. Although I kind of like him at the same time in the newer books because I feel like he is one of those characters that the Erins still care deeply about, so it makes reading more enjoyable. Yeah the Erins have some obvious favoritism toward him, it's annoying imo, he was interesting at first, but after the Leaf incident, and the POT, just ugh, even more with being a terrible father to Breezy. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 3, 2016 6:23:54 GMT -5
❈ -- why do you hate all the evil catsssssssssssssssssss
they produce action. They're awesome.
besides Mapleshade. everyone (literally) loves her Tigerstar : He lost his edge by the time he finally got to fight Firestar, he didn't seem like the big bad kitty we grew to like in the first series anymore. And it also turns out he was lower in the pecking order than we thought, under Broken and Maple, etc. He just didn't seem that noticeable in AVoS either, also I still don't forgive him for what happened to Cinderpelt. Brokenstar : He's a pathological liar, would easily turn on his own kin, kills kits, and all he wants power. Like...that's it. He's just greedy. I feel like there could have been much much more to his character, he could have been made into and even better villain but he wasn't. Why was he even allowed to become leader, lol?? Ashfur : Case and point, he's just a typical "f*ckboy" tbh. Oh man some girl doesn't love me and chose my friend instead so I'm gonna try and kill her kids and do what ever it takes to make her miserable. Like..that's not a good villain or a real reason, the Erins also said that there was no real particular reason why they chose Ashfur for this dumb role. It could have been anyone. Sol : His reasoning for causing trouble on the clans is because he got kicked from SkyClan for being an annoying furball and not obeying their ways. He's like an ex-employee with grudge issues but goes after the branch stores instead that have absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him, aka the other four clans. One Eye : The way he marked cats was so gross, like who does that. Who goes out and bites other cats with the intention of marking them like that. It's so gross. Also he's super cliche and over powered. How may tom villains have we already had where they're just greedy and want power?? Also why did it take so many cats to kill him????? Plus I don't like his daughter much either. Slash: Cliche, cliche, cliche. Who kidnaps a pregnant queen and tortures her?? Also licking the blood from her cheek??? Reminds me of that dumb anime trope with the villain and the captive girl, it's gross and cliche. And I feel like the Erins only made him just to try so hard to redeem Clear Sky and Star Flower. |
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Post by Woofzie on Oct 3, 2016 8:03:48 GMT -5
Curious, how I agree with you on most of your opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 14:12:52 GMT -5
❈ -- Slash was just being greedy like mostly all other rogues, so it's natural for him to want more prey. And to get his way, he just took Star Flower so he could make Clear Sky agree.
Licking blood away, not really. tbh, they do that a lot of times. They were used to friends too.
Probably, but it also stirs action, which is the main reason I like rogues. Clear Sky and Star Flower would probably just be living their boring 'Happily ever after.'
The mark wasn't really all that gross. It's just a symbol of power. Males are already stronger than females, and they have more 'vicious' thoughts than she-cats.
Face it. Scourge, a tiny kittypet was able to become leader of a bunch of other kittypet/rogue cats. One Eye, who probably was way stronger from the beginning would also probably become pretty powerful.
and I don't like Star Flower either.
soooo that's my lame response cx
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 5, 2016 6:33:09 GMT -5
Curious, how I agree with you on most of your opinions. Lol, guess that means we'd get along just fine~ |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 5, 2016 6:38:43 GMT -5
❈ -- Slash was just being greedy like mostly all other rogues, so it's natural for him to want more prey. And to get his way, he just took Star Flower so he could make Clear Sky agree.
Licking blood away, not really. tbh, they do that a lot of times. They were used to friends too.
Probably, but it also stirs action, which is the main reason I like rogues. Clear Sky and Star Flower would probably just be living their boring 'Happily ever after.'
The mark wasn't really all that gross. It's just a symbol of power. Males are already stronger than females, and they have more 'vicious' thoughts than she-cats.
Face it. Scourge, a tiny kittypet was able to become leader of a bunch of other kittypet/rogue cats. One Eye, who probably was way stronger from the beginning would also probably become pretty powerful.
and I don't like Star Flower either.
soooo that's my lame response cx No, it's pretty cliche imo. In a lot of anime and books when the bad guy has a captive they'll taunt and even do a thing where they threaten to kill the captive. Some go as far as cutting them slightly before licking up the blood/tears. It's just so cliche, it's supposed to be a show of power or something. And seeing a trope like that intricated into warriors was just meh. So basically Slash ain't that special, he's just some typical cat that was greedy, even One Eye was more interesting because he had some sort of connection to the sickness, or more like he played it to his advantage, while also using his own daughter to spy on them. I thought it was interesting and well played on his part, him taking over Sky's group after he took "pity" on him in the first place was also pretty good plot writing. Meanwhile Slash is just....well Slash. He's like the Sol of the DotC series, just more violent but still uses cowardly tactics. Uh, source? Because female cats can be just as strong as male cats. It's just that the Erins continue to use typical "edgy" toms to be villains, it gets repetitive and boring. I will admit that One Eye is a better villain than Scourge, I just expected more. However I do think he's a better villain in general for the series as a whole, he's a bit higher on my list for best villains. I just don't really care for him much either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 6:49:33 GMT -5
❈ -- yeah. i don't watch anime or read anime books. just saying. but, i'm also pretty sure the erins don't watch those shows or read those books (otherwise, that'd be really weird).
*shrugs* well, talking about One Eye, why do you hate him if you find him interesting???
Well, sometimes, but usually, toms are stronger. also, usually males are the troublemakers.
I never really cared about Scourge... just used him as an example. But, most people like him..for some reason. maybe because he's interesting which i don't see how
lol. sorry for my short response. gonna be leaving in three minutes anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 6:51:13 GMT -5
❈ -- it's not possible to only like Moth Flight.
just saying
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 5, 2016 23:07:56 GMT -5
❈ -- yeah. i don't watch anime or read anime books. just saying. but, i'm also pretty sure the erins don't watch those shows or read those books (otherwise, that'd be really weird).
*shrugs* well, talking about One Eye, why do you hate him if you find him interesting???
Well, sometimes, but usually, toms are stronger. also, usually males are the troublemakers.
I never really cared about Scourge... just used him as an example. But, most people like him..for some reason. maybe because he's interesting which i don't see how
lol. sorry for my short response. gonna be leaving in three minutes anyways. You can find a character interesting, but still hate them. I pretty much feel the same with Needletail. She's an interesting character, but I still hate her because she's so antagonistic toward her supposed friends. No, there is no "usual" it's just that the Erins portray toms as only stronger in the books. Female cats irl can hold their own just as much as a tom cat can in a fight, they're also shown to be more fearsome, especially when it comes to their kits. |
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