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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -5
Hello, and Happy Halloween for those who celebrate!
For the longest while, I've heard word of a theory about how Mapleshade ended up in the Dark Forest before the release of Mapleshade's Vengeance. This theory managed to get popular enough to the point many headcanons and AUs I've seen still incorporate cannibalism into Mapleshade's character in some way.
I've been wondering, who started this theory? What's the earliest mention of this theory? What's the history of this theory? As far as I know, nothing about Mapleshade pre-MV suggested that she was a cannibal outside of one of the Erins saying that Mapleshade is in the Dark Forest due to a very dark action she committed in the past, which could mean anything, not just cannibalism.
Not only do I intend this thread as a form of fandom research into this quirky part of Mapleshade fanon history, but also to start a larger discussion on how theories spread in the Warriors fandom when information on a character and/or their actions is sparse. I hope this can lead to meaningful discussion about this topic.
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Post by wygolvillage on Oct 31, 2024 10:54:12 GMT -5
I vaguely remember this being a rumor during the Omen of the Stars era and before Crookedstar's Promise and Mapleshade's Vengeance came out. Unfortunately I don't have any more information about how it originated.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 11:46:12 GMT -5
I vaguely remember this being a rumor during the Omen of the Stars era and before Crookedstar's Promise and Mapleshade's Vengeance came out. Unfortunately I don't have any more information about how it originated. Yeah, I've attempted to do some searching for its original mention, but so far I haven't had much luck. Nearly every search for it is about how far off the theory was compared to what actually happened to Mapleshade in her novella. I heard somewhere that it originated on this forum, but unfortunately I cannot back up that claim, it's just something I heard somewhere. Putting all the info in a Google Doc as we uncover it. So far, this is what I have (copy/pasted because I cannot post screenshots here): -Original theory post not currently known -Originated before Mapleshade’s Vengeance -Possibly during Omen of the Stars era -Before Crookedstar’s Promise -Original post probably made after 2009, but before 2011 |
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Oct 31, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5
I remember hearing about this at 10 lol, then MV came out a year later, so I wasn't there for a lot of the meat of the theory.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 12:02:55 GMT -5
I remember hearing about this at 10 lol, then MV came out a year later, so I wasn't there for a lot of the meat of the theory. This is still helpful information! It means that the MCT (going to shorten Mapleshade Cannibalism Theory to MCT from now on) was still a point of discussion by 2014, which is a few years after the theorized time of the original posting sometime between 2009 - 2011. Most people in the fandom now tend to hear it through the lens of it being some old wacky theory, but that doesn't really help us know it's original perception. For a theory about a single cat's past actions to be talked about for several years shows that it probably wasn't some small headcanon someone had once. |
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Post by maggotpaw on Oct 31, 2024 12:37:06 GMT -5
Honestly, don't really think it's that deep. Fans saw one of the Erins implying Mapleshade's backstory was too dark/gruesome to write and everyone collectively was like "what's worse than murdering babies? CANNIBALISM!"
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Post by tumblepaw on Oct 31, 2024 13:13:52 GMT -5
No one really knew why she was in the Dark Forest when OOTS was coming out, and I think fans were just brainstorming about it. Authors implied it was dark, so fans went dark.
Fans going dark was also pretty common back then too, with lots of dark fan theories. Just teens being edgy. That’s why we now joke about that being the fandom’s emo phase. XD
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Post by flipwish on Oct 31, 2024 13:35:47 GMT -5
Yeah I honestly think it was just the inevitable conclusion to the wc fandom being at its most "edgy for edgy's sake" when they said her story was super dark and it wasn't known what that meant at that point.
Makes you wonder how the fans then would have reacted to knowing would one day, in fact, be a cannibal Erin Hunter villain, and it's played up for dramatic effect (not in wc though!)
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Post by Leonard on Oct 31, 2024 13:50:11 GMT -5
It's been a long time so details may be inaccurate: It comes from people asking if we'd get a book explaining Mapleshade origins. Vicky said we probably won't because it would be too dark and brutal. Obviously we already had books of cats brutally killing other cats, so if her story was even darker, that must have meant something extreme, so people started speculating about possibilites.
Mapleshade eats kits was just a perfect mix of being ridiculous memeable out of all the theories.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 14:02:22 GMT -5
No one really knew why she was in the Dark Forest when OOTS was coming out, and I think fans were just brainstorming about it. Authors implied it was dark, so fans went dark. This is also a response to maggotpaw's post earlier in the thread.
Even though the theory is wrong, it should still be considered important due to the fact that for several years it was apart of how many people viewed the character. Mapleshade's Vengeance came out in 2015, 9 years ago, and I've still seen the MCT used in fan art and AUs to this day.
There's also the fact that Mapleshade's personality as depicted in the books does line up with how cannibalism is used in literature. Cannibalism is often seen as acts of desperation or acts of revenge, both of which Mapleshade embodies as a character.
Someone could've suggested that Mapleshade was responsible for wearing the skins of her defeated victims as an explanation for why one of the Erins said her story was too dark, but we didn't get that, we got an evil trait used in literature that also happens to be related to Mapleshade as a character. At the very least, the original poster of the MCT was just good at sensing the vibe of Mapleshade, and at most in their now lost post they were able to give a detailed explanation as to why they thought Mapleshade was a cannibal.
Regardless, I still think finding the original MCT post would be important to fandom history, as it permanently influenced the perception of a very popular character.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 14:33:37 GMT -5
Did a bit more digging. Here's some new info for our consideration:
The Wayback Machine's earliest archive of wcrpforums.com is from August 3, 2016. On this snapshot I saw a thread titled WCF Memories. Digging through that, I've found that this forum is the successor to an older forum site, wcforums.com. I'm sorry if this is already known information, but it's new to me. Punching wcforums.com into the Wayback Machine, it's earliest crawl was on May 7, 2013, but that and none of the other snapshots work. As far as I can tell, the original Warrior Cats Forum is basically completely lost to the sands of time.
Bad News: This will make the search for the original thread where the MCT was first thought of very difficult, unless someone happened to save that thread on their personal computer at the time. Even better, if the original forum site's full archive is saved somewhere at all.
Good News: This is assuming the MCT was first suggested on the wcforums site at all. It's very possible the theory originated from Tumblr, Reddit, or various other sites with a Warriors fandom presence. My suggestion is expanding our search radius to other sites in the hopes that this lost Mapleshade history isn't just completely gone.
I know this all sounds dumb, and it very much may be, but I'm a big supporter in archiving fandom history, no matter how small, as it does affect how many people see things today. Yes, the theory was proven wrong ages ago. Yes, it most likely was made up for the edgy factor of it. Still, its importance should be respected among anyone here who cares for fandom history.
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Post by Slightdapple on Oct 31, 2024 15:01:36 GMT -5
Did a bit more digging. Here's some new info for our consideration: The Wayback Machine's earliest archive of wcrpforums.com is from August 3, 2016. On this snapshot I saw a thread titled WCF Memories. Digging through that, I've found that this forum is the successor to an older forum site, wcforums.com. I'm sorry if this is already known information, but it's new to me. Punching wcforums.com into the Wayback Machine, it's earliest crawl was on May 7, 2013, but that and none of the other snapshots work. As far as I can tell, the original Warrior Cats Forum is basically completely lost to the sands of time. Bad News: This will make the search for the original thread where the MCT was first thought of very difficult, unless someone happened to save that thread on their personal computer at the time. Even better, if the original forum site's full archive is saved somewhere at all. Good News: This is assuming the MCT was first suggested on the wcforums site at all. It's very possible the theory originated from Tumblr, Reddit, or various other sites with a Warriors fandom presence. My suggestion is expanding our search radius to other sites in the hopes that this lost Mapleshade history isn't just completely gone. I know this all sounds dumb, and it very much may be, but I'm a big supporter in archiving fandom history, no matter how small, as it does affect how many people see things today. Yes, the theory was proven wrong ages ago. Yes, it most likely was made up for the edgy factor of it. Still, its importance should be respected among anyone here who cares for fandom history. If it helps, the official link for the old forums was actually forums.warriorcats.com and is archived since 2009. |
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Post by Leonard on Oct 31, 2024 15:01:45 GMT -5
This forum is a successor to the official forums. If you want to look at their archives, the address was forums.warriorcats.com
Archive.org has some pages archived but tons were lost.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 15:32:21 GMT -5
Did a bit more digging. Here's some new info for our consideration: The Wayback Machine's earliest archive of wcrpforums.com is from August 3, 2016. On this snapshot I saw a thread titled WCF Memories. Digging through that, I've found that this forum is the successor to an older forum site, wcforums.com. I'm sorry if this is already known information, but it's new to me. Punching wcforums.com into the Wayback Machine, it's earliest crawl was on May 7, 2013, but that and none of the other snapshots work. As far as I can tell, the original Warrior Cats Forum is basically completely lost to the sands of time. Bad News: This will make the search for the original thread where the MCT was first thought of very difficult, unless someone happened to save that thread on their personal computer at the time. Even better, if the original forum site's full archive is saved somewhere at all. Good News: This is assuming the MCT was first suggested on the wcforums site at all. It's very possible the theory originated from Tumblr, Reddit, or various other sites with a Warriors fandom presence. My suggestion is expanding our search radius to other sites in the hopes that this lost Mapleshade history isn't just completely gone. I know this all sounds dumb, and it very much may be, but I'm a big supporter in archiving fandom history, no matter how small, as it does affect how many people see things today. Yes, the theory was proven wrong ages ago. Yes, it most likely was made up for the edgy factor of it. Still, its importance should be respected among anyone here who cares for fandom history. If it helps, the official link for the old forums was actually forums.warriorcats.com and is archived since 2009. Ah, thank you! |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 31, 2024 15:46:33 GMT -5
I was gonna say, if you suspect the forums were the origin of the theory but that you can’t find evidence of it, that’s probably because it was on the OG forums run by HarperCollins. That site got deleted in 2016 which is why you can’t find anything in search results.
I do vaguely remember people speculating about this on the OG boards back before MV came out. But I didn’t hang around the book discussion areas much on the old forums.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 16:44:01 GMT -5
I was gonna say, if you suspect the forums were the origin of the theory but that you can’t find evidence of it, that’s probably because it was on the OG forums run by HarperCollins. That site got deleted in 2016 which is why you can’t find anything in search results. I do vaguely remember people speculating about this on the OG boards back before MV came out. But I didn’t hang around the book discussion areas much on the old forums. I've been using the Wayback Machine to search around forums.warriorcats.com, mainly between the dates of November 23, 2010 (the date Night Whispers was released) and anywhere in 2011, although I might try later dates. So far, no luck. Threads weren't archived in the crawls and 2010's Warrior fans were atrocious at naming threads. Didn't see a single thing with Mapleshade in the name. Threads back then did get a lot more replies & views, which is somewhat sad when comparing them to threads made now. At the same time, forums in general are on the decline, despite the structure of them allowing for more nuanced and detailed conversations. I'm not losing hope, though. Considering the extensive user base of the Warriors forum during the time, there must be someone out there who's done better work archiving threads than the Wayback Machine, even if by accident. Hoping for a breakthrough soon. After all, nothing truly vanishes on the internet. |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Oct 31, 2024 19:12:29 GMT -5
Possible lead!
Using the Wayback Machine, I've found something interesting on forums.warriorcats.com. On the July 19th, 2011, a thread was made by a user named Aspenberry, simply named "Mapleshade." Currently, the thread is not accessible or archived, but there is a possibility this could be the thread where the MCT could originate! Based on the simpler title compared to the others around it at the time, it may have been a slightly more serious discussion.
There was another thread on the same Omen of the Stars page named "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mapleshade is FADING (as in GONE FOR GOOD )" made by a user named Duskshadow/Shadowstrike, but do to the nature of the name, I have my doubts that this is a discussion on Mapleshade's theorized cannibalism at the time. Most likely it's users discussing fading & how they like Mapleshade as a character, although that is just speculation on my part.
The search continues for more threads that may be the one.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 1, 2024 0:27:34 GMT -5
I was gonna say, if you suspect the forums were the origin of the theory but that you can’t find evidence of it, that’s probably because it was on the OG forums run by HarperCollins. That site got deleted in 2016 which is why you can’t find anything in search results. I do vaguely remember people speculating about this on the OG boards back before MV came out. But I didn’t hang around the book discussion areas much on the old forums. I've been using the Wayback Machine to search around forums.warriorcats.com, mainly between the dates of November 23, 2010 (the date Night Whispers was released) and anywhere in 2011, although I might try later dates. So far, no luck. Threads weren't archived in the crawls and 2010's Warrior fans were atrocious at naming threads. Didn't see a single thing with Mapleshade in the name. Threads back then did get a lot more replies & views, which is somewhat sad when comparing them to threads made now. At the same time, forums in general are on the decline, despite the structure of them allowing for more nuanced and detailed conversations. I'm not losing hope, though. Considering the extensive user base of the Warriors forum during the time, there must be someone out there who's done better work archiving threads than the Wayback Machine, even if by accident. Hoping for a breakthrough soon. After all, nothing truly vanishes on the internet. Well, the forums was majority populated by 12-14yro kids back then, so I don’t think there is a better archiving system out there than WBM. Also worth noting that major boards like Warrior’s General and OOTS would have thousands of posts per day, so a single WBM snapshot of page one is a small sliver of the hundreds of threads that actually probably rotated through the first page throughout the day. It’s kind of like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I had a super popular fanclan from 2012-2014 with thousands of pages, so it was pretty frequently bumped to the first page of FanClans, and even then I think there’s only one or two WBM archives where you can see it on that first page. |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 1, 2024 0:45:39 GMT -5
I've been using the Wayback Machine to search around forums.warriorcats.com, mainly between the dates of November 23, 2010 (the date Night Whispers was released) and anywhere in 2011, although I might try later dates. So far, no luck. Threads weren't archived in the crawls and 2010's Warrior fans were atrocious at naming threads. Didn't see a single thing with Mapleshade in the name. Threads back then did get a lot more replies & views, which is somewhat sad when comparing them to threads made now. At the same time, forums in general are on the decline, despite the structure of them allowing for more nuanced and detailed conversations. I'm not losing hope, though. Considering the extensive user base of the Warriors forum during the time, there must be someone out there who's done better work archiving threads than the Wayback Machine, even if by accident. Hoping for a breakthrough soon. After all, nothing truly vanishes on the internet. Well, the forums was majority populated by 12-14yro kids back then, so I don’t think there is a better archiving system out there than WBM. Also worth noting that major boards like Warrior’s General and OOTS would have thousands of posts per day, so a single WBM snapshot of page one is a small sliver of the hundreds of threads that actually probably rotated through the first page throughout the day. It’s kind of like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I had a super popular fanclan from 2012-2014 with thousands of pages, so it was pretty frequently bumped to the first page of FanClans, and even then I think there’s only one or two WBM archives where you can see it on that first page. Yeah, it was starting to feel like a needle in a haystack after a while. The posts go on and on and on. I'll probably switch over to checking Tumblr, as I know there's been a persistent Warriors fanbase holding out there for a good while. There may be a possibility the MCT originated there, but who knows. If I find nothing on Tumblr then I'll go back to dredging through the WCForums screenshots on the Wayback Machine. I've gotten many more possible leads this way, actually. One being a thread called "What did they get sent to the DF for doing?" by a user named Moonstripe2482, last replied on by a user named Oceanmistsupporter26 on December 18, 2012. It had 7 replies, but there's still a chance it could be our thread. If only that data was saved... Anyways, I'm going to bed for the night. Been a long day of sitting and staring at a screen. My head is starting to hurt. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 1, 2024 8:24:30 GMT -5
Well, the forums was majority populated by 12-14yro kids back then, so I don’t think there is a better archiving system out there than WBM. Also worth noting that major boards like Warrior’s General and OOTS would have thousands of posts per day, so a single WBM snapshot of page one is a small sliver of the hundreds of threads that actually probably rotated through the first page throughout the day. It’s kind of like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I had a super popular fanclan from 2012-2014 with thousands of pages, so it was pretty frequently bumped to the first page of FanClans, and even then I think there’s only one or two WBM archives where you can see it on that first page. Yeah, it was starting to feel like a needle in a haystack after a while. The posts go on and on and on. I'll probably switch over to checking Tumblr, as I know there's been a persistent Warriors fanbase holding out there for a good while. There may be a possibility the MCT originated there, but who knows. If I find nothing on Tumblr then I'll go back to dredging through the WCForums screenshots on the Wayback Machine. I've gotten many more possible leads this way, actually. One being a thread called "What did they get sent to the DF for doing?" by a user named Moonstripe2482, last replied on by a user named Oceanmistsupporter26 on December 18, 2012. It had 7 replies, but there's still a chance it could be our thread. If only that data was saved... Anyways, I'm going to bed for the night. Been a long day of sitting and staring at a screen. My head is starting to hurt. Honestly, I think your best bet would be to try and talk to people who were active in those discussion boards at the time and see if they remember anything. |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 1, 2024 16:44:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it was starting to feel like a needle in a haystack after a while. The posts go on and on and on. I'll probably switch over to checking Tumblr, as I know there's been a persistent Warriors fanbase holding out there for a good while. There may be a possibility the MCT originated there, but who knows. If I find nothing on Tumblr then I'll go back to dredging through the WCForums screenshots on the Wayback Machine. I've gotten many more possible leads this way, actually. One being a thread called "What did they get sent to the DF for doing?" by a user named Moonstripe2482, last replied on by a user named Oceanmistsupporter26 on December 18, 2012. It had 7 replies, but there's still a chance it could be our thread. If only that data was saved... Anyways, I'm going to bed for the night. Been a long day of sitting and staring at a screen. My head is starting to hurt. Honestly, I think your best bet would be to try and talk to people who were active in those discussion boards at the time and see if they remember anything. You might be right. I'm not sure if many would still be around, but I will try! |
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Post by lightfur on Nov 2, 2024 12:15:38 GMT -5
According to TV tropes, it came from a Warriors Offical user who claimed to have Night Whispers early and said that Mapleshade ate a cat in it. That doesn't really line up with the "Authors stated that Mapleshade's story had to be changed because it was too dark" thing, but I guess it might have come from both? There were a lot of edgy theories back in the day like the Sweetpaw was buried alive theory. (Which the books made it clear that she was in fact dead and not unconscious.)
Things didn't really have to make sense to be a theory back then, as the fanbase and forum were full (and still are) of teenagers. People thought Squirrelflight had stillborn kits with Ashfur somehow.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 2, 2024 14:23:19 GMT -5
According to TV tropes, it came from a Warriors Offical user who claimed to have Night Whispers early and said that Mapleshade ate a cat in it. That doesn't really line up with the "Authors stated that Mapleshade's story had to be changed because it was too dark" thing, but I guess it might have come from both? There were a lot of edgy theories back in the day like the Sweetpaw was buried alive theory. (Which the books made it clear that she was in fact dead and not unconscious.) Things didn't really have to make sense to be a theory back then, as the fanbase and forum were full (and still are) of teenagers. People thought Squirrelflight had stillborn kits with Ashfur somehow. Looked around TVTropes for a bit (not as long as I wanted, I have a lot of college work to catch up on) and was unable to find this mention of the MCT. Could you link it by any chance, or tell me where I could find it? |
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Post by lightfur on Nov 2, 2024 14:33:51 GMT -5
According to TV tropes, it came from a Warriors Offical user who claimed to have Night Whispers early and said that Mapleshade ate a cat in it. That doesn't really line up with the "Authors stated that Mapleshade's story had to be changed because it was too dark" thing, but I guess it might have come from both? There were a lot of edgy theories back in the day like the Sweetpaw was buried alive theory. (Which the books made it clear that she was in fact dead and not unconscious.) Things didn't really have to make sense to be a theory back then, as the fanbase and forum were full (and still are) of teenagers. People thought Squirrelflight had stillborn kits with Ashfur somehow. Looked around TVTropes for a bit (not as long as I wanted, I have a lot of college work to catch up on) and was unable to find this mention of the MCT. Could you link it by any chance, or tell me where I could find it? It's right here, under "Mapleshade eats cats!" tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Memes/WarriorCatsThe entry was also added last year (I think the memes page was as well), so there's not really a way to pinpoint a date from that. |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 2, 2024 14:37:33 GMT -5
Looked around TVTropes for a bit (not as long as I wanted, I have a lot of college work to catch up on) and was unable to find this mention of the MCT. Could you link it by any chance, or tell me where I could find it? It's right here, under "Mapleshade eats cats!" tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Memes/WarriorCatsThe entry was also added last year (I think the memes page was as well), so there's not really a way to pinpoint a date from that. Thank you so much! |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 2, 2024 14:59:01 GMT -5
Looked around TVTropes for a bit (not as long as I wanted, I have a lot of college work to catch up on) and was unable to find this mention of the MCT. Could you link it by any chance, or tell me where I could find it? It's right here, under "Mapleshade eats cats!" tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Memes/WarriorCatsThe entry was also added last year (I think the memes page was as well), so there's not really a way to pinpoint a date from that. I probably should've put this in my earlier post thanking you, but I forgot to. This is so incredibly helpful to the search. Not only does it mean that the MCT most certainly came from forums.warriorcats.com, but that it was most likely made before the release of the book Mapleshade originated and not after like I'd assumed. If true, it also means it's less of a theory and moreso some fan making things up, and then that lie sticking incredibly well to a character who had no backstory at the time. Again, thank you so much for this insight! It will be very useful in the search going forward! |
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 7, 2024 14:05:43 GMT -5
I've continued trying to contact people who were around just before Night Whispers released, but so far many people are simply gone or abandoned their usernames. A few people who might've been around at the time have been PMed but no answers still.
I've been considering trying to post the search on other sites, but I'm not sure if it fits anywhere else. I have 3 Twitter followers so I highly doubt that anything I ask about there will be of much use (not to mention the character limit of tweets would make adding info hard & not many people bother reading threads), I lack proper Tumblr and YouTube accounts, and Warriors & lost media Reddit would probably consider it too niche or obscure of a search topic.
I'm not giving up, but this certainly feels like a search that will go on for a long while if purely regulated to this forum.
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Post by Dɾҽαɱƈʅσυԃ on Nov 10, 2024 5:33:42 GMT -5
Wasn't there a similar theory for Maggottail? At least I'm pretty sure I saw some wild backstory theories for him flying around the fandom not too long ago (but before his bigger speaking role in the TBC finale where his actual appearance was also fully revealed) in which he lured the kits of his Clan away during a harsh winter and then hunted them down and disguised them as prey for his Clan to eat or something horrible like that. No idea why a dark villain backstory has to equal cannibalism for edgy fans twice (or possibly even more times) though. And I also don't know who came up with that one either.
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Post by mapleshadecolossus on Nov 17, 2024 4:32:56 GMT -5
Made a video of the search so far. Hopefully it'll bring in more searchers with more information. Nobody I've reached out to (which is few, as the video says, all these usernames are long gone and the people I've tried to contact is basically anyone still around with any loose connection to these early threads) has responded so I'm kinda just hoping for anything.
I know it's stupid to have hope that someone has archives or screenshots of threads used by preteens in 2010 talking about an edgy theory about cats, but the MCT has turned into an obsession for me, like the Ring of Power in LotR. Last night I had a dream specifically about it and trying to find it and it's one of the only dreams I've had where I can remember every last detail. I need this lost media found.
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