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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Oct 27, 2024 17:02:23 GMT -5
I just looked at this after not noticing it for the past few days and read it all… WHAT JUST HAPPENED |
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Post by thesaroscycle on Oct 27, 2024 18:39:30 GMT -5
YES NO FROSTSTAR! But also boo, Squirrelflight's probably still alive :/ Also incredibly thankful that they didn't name her Frostfeather. Frostdawn is such a good name  This, I wanted Squirrelflight to die so bad so that my conspiracy theory that she never got her nine lives could be proven |
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2024 18:56:40 GMT -5
YES NO FROSTSTAR! But also boo, Squirrelflight's probably still alive :/ Also incredibly thankful that they didn't name her Frostfeather. Frostdawn is such a good name This, I wanted Squirrelflight to die so bad so that my conspiracy theory that she never got her nine lives could be proven I mean, the conspiracy could still be true, as she has yet to lose a life. Not like she did much post-Thunder anyway. |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2024 19:47:38 GMT -5
Oh, just one last thing Pixie , is there any more mentions of Lightleap after she and Frostdawn tag team Splashtail? Or Blazefire? I have terrible memory fr bro. Always forgetting what happens in a book right after I read them lolol. Probably didn't help I was half asleep reading the later chapters.
This is in the gathering chapter: Sunbeam sits with Nightheart, Lightleap, Blazefire, Fringewhisker, and Spireclaw before the gathering officially starts. Lightleap says that Tigerstar is not getting involved with RiverClan again. During their conversation, there is a mention of Graypaw and Mistpaw wanting Leafstar to give them their warrior names. Lightleap nods and says who'd want to stay in a deserted Clan. The group splits up when the leaders start talking. That's her last appearance in the book.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2024 20:05:58 GMT -5
The vision is a bunch of cats struggling through a storm and one of them calls out for Emberstar. It's pretty brief, but the cats are RiverClan. Any good Jayfeather scenes? He's my comfort character at this point. Squirrelstar tells Gorseclaw and Lizardtail to go to the medicine cat den and that Jayfeather might complain, but he's always complaining, so don't take anything personally.
During the Gathering chapter, Harestar suggests an outside medicine cat to go to RiverClan to help out with the StarClan connection thing. Jayfeather says: "It seems like a lot of fuss to help a Clan that can't keep hold of its warriors. The whole Clan might have disappeared by the next Gathering" (pg. 258).
That's basically it. |
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Post by valleylight on Oct 27, 2024 21:01:59 GMT -5
Frostdawn’s conclusion has me wondering— why did the authors choose to have her be spayed in Thunder? From a narrative standpoint, it’s a pretty jarring instance of unresolved dramatic irony. (Which, to be clear, isn’t objectively a writing flaw or mistake, if the impression it leaves on the reader outweighs the sunk cost of not following through and having the characters realize.) Now that Frostdawn’s a full medicine cat, there’s a fair chance she may never learn she can’t have kits. So was it just meant to be a surprising, one-off detail for realism’s sake?
When I first read that scene in Thunder, I was really upset for Frostpaw. Getting spayed seemed like an extremely traumatic thing to happen unwittingly and unwillingly to her, directly after she’d survived so much trauma already. And at the time, Frostpaw was training as a warrior apprentice and had expressed interest in having a mate and kits. So for me, it’s a little hard to accept that it was always meant to be a self-contained lore addition, when the implications started off so emotionally-charged and uncertain. It seems like pretty sensitive territory for the story to tread just a few steps. But I don’t know, maybe that’s better than treading longer and carelessly. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 27, 2024 21:07:44 GMT -5
Frostdawn’s conclusion has me wondering— why did the authors choose to have her be spayed in Thunder? From a narrative standpoint, it’s a pretty jarring instance of unresolved dramatic irony. (Which, to be clear, isn’t objectively a writing flaw or mistake, if the impression it leaves on the reader outweighs the sunk cost of not following through and having the characters realize.) Now that Frostdawn’s a full medicine cat, there’s a fair chance she may never learn she can’t have kits. So was it just meant to be a surprising, one-off detail for realism’s sake?
When I first read that scene in Thunder, I was really upset for Frostpaw. Getting spayed seemed like an extremely traumatic thing to happen unwittingly and unwillingly to her, directly after she’d survived so much trauma already. And at the time, Frostpaw was training as a warrior apprentice and had expressed interest in having a mate and kits. So for me, it’s a little hard to accept that it was always meant to be a self-contained lore addition, when the implications started off so emotionally-charged and uncertain. It seems like pretty sensitive territory for the story to tread just a few steps. But I don’t know, maybe that’s better than treading longer and carelessly. I personally never read too much into it because I always figured it was a symbolism thing. In a way it's like Frostpaw's dream at the time being ripped away from her, without her realizing it, basically, because it was her pre-journey. And it happens because the cat she thought she would have a future with tried to kill her. Tragically ironic symbolism. |
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Post by valleylight on Oct 27, 2024 21:17:14 GMT -5
I personally never read too much into it because I always figured it was a symbolism thing. In a way it's like Frostpaw's dream at the time being ripped away from her, without her realizing it, basically, because it was her pre-journey. And it happens because the cat she thought she would have a future with tried to kill her. Tragically ironic symbolism. Oh my gosh that’s so heartbreaking, forget everything I just said. I forgot Thunder is one of the deepest Warriors books, I shouldn’t have doubted it! Thanks for pointing this out! |
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Post by stupidflower on Oct 27, 2024 21:25:22 GMT -5
Oh, just one last thing Pixie , is there any more mentions of Lightleap after she and Frostdawn tag team Splashtail? Or Blazefire? I have terrible memory fr bro. Always forgetting what happens in a book right after I read them lolol. Probably didn't help I was half asleep reading the later chapters.
This is in the gathering chapter: Sunbeam sits with Nightheart, Lightleap, Blazefire, Fringewhisker, and Spireclaw before the gathering officially starts. Lightleap says that Tigerstar is not getting involved with RiverClan again. During their conversation, there is a mention of Graypaw and Mistpaw wanting Leafstar to give them their warrior names. Lightleap nods and says who'd want to stay in a deserted Clan. The group splits up when the leaders start talking. That's her last appearance in the book.
That’s good. It’s nice that Sunbeam hasn’t completely let go of her best (for a while) ShadowClan friends.
I was honestly worried that they just forgot or didn’t care about Sunbeam’s relationships with Blazefire and Lightleap anymore. Especially when they were integral parts of Sunbeam’s early story. It’s good that there’s at least an acknowledgement that they are on good terms.
I’ll be honest, I wanted more from that whole ordeal. I’d have liked there to be a scene where Sunbeam finally talks it out with Lightleap and Blazefire and smooth everything over, because as of Thunder they weren’t talking. Sunbeam could explain why she left ShadowClan, that she’s happy, and get them to understand how they unintentionally hurt her, and maybe acknowledge her pettiness in Sky. Lightleap can finally come to terms with how badly she treated Sunbeam in River, and Blazefire can acknowledge how he screwed up by lying (kinda?) to Sunbeam. Just some more closure than the implication that we got.
I suppose that didn’t need to be spelled out THAT much, but it would have been nice to get a bit more. Overall it’s fine and a decent conclusion to that part of Sunbeam’s arc in a subtle enough way.
It also may be a good time to bring up how happy I am with the friendships the protagonists form this arc, especially where that lacked in previous arcs, egregiously so in TBC. Frostdawn with her fellow protagonists and Whistlebreeze, Nightheart with Frostdawn, Wafflepaw, Bayshine, Myrtlebloom and some of Sunbeam’s ShadowClan friends, and Sunbeam with like half the cats she interacts with. |
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Post by stupidflower on Oct 27, 2024 21:31:51 GMT -5
I’m also starting to realize that the lack of deaths here is probably to prevent more Frosttrauma. |
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 27, 2024 22:24:38 GMT -5
I’m also starting to realize that the lack of deaths here is probably to prevent more Frosttrauma. Yeah, after nearly dying at Splashtail's hand again after killing him I think she has enough 😭 |
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Post by ruthrush on Oct 28, 2024 4:27:14 GMT -5
Hi Pixie thanks again for sharing. Could you show us some cute interactions between the three protagonists because I love to see them growing close. ik Nightheart and Sunbeam certainly care a lot for Frostpaw throughout this book but do we get to see how Frostpaw feels about them in return? (Not very much ig cause Frostpaw's absolutely having so much to worry about) |
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Oct 28, 2024 10:52:49 GMT -5
Hi Pixie. Could you explain Podlight's appearances in Star after Hawkwing beat him? The guy became a medicine cat by pretending he had a connection to StarClan, he's the one who allowed Splashtail to become leader by saying he saw Riverstar in a dream, he knew Splashtail killed Reedwhisker, he was an accomplice to Splashtail's lie that he had obtained StarClan's blessing, he was one of his most loyal supporters during his leadership... Frostpaw even wonders if he knew about Curlfeather's plans... and he's going to get away with it? Breezeheart and Fognose were chased away by their Clanmates for defending Splashtail while Podlight was even worse since he was his accomplice... and he's going to continue his life in RiverClan quietly, with impunity, just because he had the intelligence to keep a low profile unlike Fognose and Breezeheart?
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Oct 28, 2024 12:04:39 GMT -5
Guys
I did it again
I predicted Whistlepaw's full name
Add that to the list
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Post by cloudsbursted on Oct 28, 2024 13:31:09 GMT -5
Hi Pixie. Could you explain Podlight's appearances in Star after Hawkwing beat him? The guy became a medicine cat by pretending he had a connection to StarClan, he's the one who allowed Splashtail to become leader by saying he saw Riverstar in a dream, he knew Splashtail killed Reedwhisker, he was an accomplice to Splashtail's lie that he had obtained StarClan's blessing, he was one of his most loyal supporters during his leadership... Frostpaw even wonders if he knew about Curlfeather's plans... and he's going to get away with it? Breezeheart and Fognose were chased away by their Clanmates for defending Splashtail while Podlight was even worse since he was his accomplice... and he's going to continue his life in RiverClan quietly, with impunity, just because he had the intelligence to keep a low profile unlike Fognose and Breezeheart? Exactly what I’m wondering too, Podlight was Splashtail’s most longstanding supporter and not only fully enabled but encouraged his lies. Did Frostdawn ever even reveal him in front of the entire Clan for the fraud he is? I don’t think they’d be so lenient towards a major crime like that, if so it comes across as a plothole at best or just horrible writing at worst. I’d even accept him being put on a probation period akin to the ex Dark Forest trainees after the last battle rather than it never being brought up again. |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 28, 2024 14:01:03 GMT -5
so in hindsight we can tell the teased quotes must be
“You have to believe me. It’s all going smoothly. This is part of my plan”
Berryheart to the ShC cats
“You remember what i said i’d do if you didn’t fight”
Splashtail to his warriors
“We’re waiting for you. Please come back”
Someone to Frostdawn
“Did you think i couldn’t hurt you?”
i still don’t know tbh
“This is your world, not mine. i’m only here because you wanted me”
Curl to Frostdawn |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 28, 2024 14:03:24 GMT -5
Hi Pixie. Could you explain Podlight's appearances in Star after Hawkwing beat him? The guy became a medicine cat by pretending he had a connection to StarClan, he's the one who allowed Splashtail to become leader by saying he saw Riverstar in a dream, he knew Splashtail killed Reedwhisker, he was an accomplice to Splashtail's lie that he had obtained StarClan's blessing, he was one of his most loyal supporters during his leadership... Frostpaw even wonders if he knew about Curlfeather's plans... and he's going to get away with it? Breezeheart and Fognose were chased away by their Clanmates for defending Splashtail while Podlight was even worse since he was his accomplice... and he's going to continue his life in RiverClan quietly, with impunity, just because he had the intelligence to keep a low profile unlike Fognose and Breezeheart? Exactly what I’m wondering too, Podlight was Splashtail’s most longstanding supporter and not only fully enabled but encouraged his lies. Did Frostdawn ever even reveal him in front of the entire Clan for the fraud he is? I don’t think they’d be so lenient towards a major crime like that, if so it comes across as a plothole at best or just horrible writing at worst. I’d even accept him being put on a probation period akin to the ex Dark Forest trainees after the last battle rather than it never being brought up again.
everyone knows how evil he is, at the very least everyone knows he faked being a med cat, Shadowclan and Thunderclan know about the Moonpool lie, and Shadowclan knows how evil he is because of how he acts in tbis book. it’s hard to believe he just gets away with it as after Splash and Curl he is the biggest villain in Riverclan
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Post by Pixie on Oct 28, 2024 14:31:10 GMT -5
so in hindsight we can tell the teased quotes must be
“You have to believe me. It’s all going smoothly. This is part of my plan”
Berryheart to the ShC cats
“You remember what i said i’d do if you didn’t fight”
Splashtail to his warriors
“We’re waiting for you. Please come back”
Someone to Frostdawn
“Did you think i couldn’t hurt you?”
i still don’t know tbh
“This is your world, not mine. i’m only here because you wanted me”
Curl to Frostdawn This is all correct. The “Did you think I couldn’t hurt you?” is something Frostpaw says to Splashtail during their fight. |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 28, 2024 14:31:30 GMT -5
ombredecorbeau2003he kinda just disappears afterwards
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Post by Pixie on Oct 28, 2024 14:33:12 GMT -5
ruthrushI can’t think of any specific moments rn, but they are in there. Like Nightheart visiting Frostpaw twice in her coma.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Oct 28, 2024 14:53:07 GMT -5
What happened with Hollowspring and Sparrowtail? Are they back in Shadowclan?
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 28, 2024 15:10:09 GMT -5
What happened with Hollowspring and Sparrowtail? Are they back in Shadowclan? it’s in the summary |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 28, 2024 15:11:15 GMT -5
so in hindsight we can tell the teased quotes must be
“You have to believe me. It’s all going smoothly. This is part of my plan”
Berryheart to the ShC cats
“You remember what i said i’d do if you didn’t fight”
Splashtail to his warriors
“We’re waiting for you. Please come back”
Someone to Frostdawn
“Did you think i couldn’t hurt you?”
i still don’t know tbh
“This is your world, not mine. i’m only here because you wanted me”
Curl to Frostdawn This is all correct. The “Did you think I couldn’t hurt you?” is something Frostpaw says to Splashtail during their fight.
god frostdawn is such a badass i love her sm |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 28, 2024 15:14:35 GMT -5
if you dont mind me asking pixie
what are your personal favorite interactions/scenes
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Oct 28, 2024 15:16:25 GMT -5
Oh yeah, okay. I hope Kate will give us an explanation. Maybe it was Podlight who was supposed to be exiled with Fognose but Kate made a mistake and put Breezeheart instead...like Rippletail who took Slatefur's place in Tigerheart's Shadow. |
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Post by cloudsbursted on Oct 28, 2024 17:12:41 GMT -5
Oh wow, this is really disappointing considering that he’s 1/4th of the primary antagonist quartet. Baffled as to why they’d leave that end fully untied when Berry/Curl/Splash were packed up utterly and completely. Especially considering they made a point to have Fognose and Breezeheart chased out, two characters who were far more minor when it came to villainous deeds. Ideally they address it at some point but considering this is the final book of this series honestly my hopes are almost nonexistent that they’ll even think to give it more than a one sentence shoutout within a future arc. Thanks for all the information though! This thread has been fascinating to read for sure. |
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 29, 2024 11:39:43 GMT -5
OKAY, THAT 100% WAS CONFIDENTLY NOT MY LAST POST LMAO I think this is actually if first time seeing Ridgekit and Duskkit other then in allegiances.
GIVE FROSTPAW A HUG. SOMEONE PLEASE.
I’m really liking Duskfur lately, not even just exclusively in this book. She’s grown on me. Hard agree about Duskfur. Cool character. |
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Oct 29, 2024 11:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Oct 30, 2024 2:38:58 GMT -5
IM SO HAPPY FOR ICESTAR AND OWLNOSE <333
frostpaw staying dead and being a spirit guide would've been so cool but i'm glad she got to stay alive
and nightsun kits oooh.
and i can breathe out a sigh of relief - the random absurd amount of nightstar references were just coincidences and his spirit has made it through another arc. here's to many more of him being brought up out of nowhere |
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Post by Silentlight on Oct 30, 2024 10:04:38 GMT -5
OKAY, THAT 100% WAS CONFIDENTLY NOT MY LAST POST LMAO I think this is actually if first time seeing Ridgekit and Duskkit other then in allegiances.
GIVE FROSTPAW A HUG. SOMEONE PLEASE.
I’m really liking Duskfur lately, not even just exclusively in this book. She’s grown on me. Hard agree about Duskfur. Cool character. i wanna agree but i definitely feel they could’ve done soooo much more, why are both of her kids evil? was she apart of the planning at all? there was definitely implications she knew about it at the start |
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