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Post by tollfarok on Feb 3, 2024 16:11:08 GMT -5
Everywhere I go I see alot of discourse around her. I wanna see the forum's thoughts about it!
I'm really neutral on her, but I kind of lean towards like, since I loved her novella. I love an unreliable narrator who thinks everyone is in the wrong, and only they're right. I just think she's interesting. What I don't like about her is the way she's perceived. Many people tend to misunderstand the point of her character
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Post by deerspirit on Feb 3, 2024 16:28:30 GMT -5
I’m neutral on her as a character.
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Feb 3, 2024 16:31:24 GMT -5
Sure murdering everyone and having kits with a bad mate wasn't exactly... kind. However I found this just makes her more interesting as a character. I also don't believe she deserved exile.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Feb 3, 2024 16:38:00 GMT -5
I know she is a really bad person, but I love her character so much
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 3, 2024 16:55:43 GMT -5
Neutral on her as a character. She was really good in her first appearance, Crookedstar's Promise, but once they started shoving her where she didn't belong she started to get boring/old. I don't dislike her by any means, she's kinda interesting, but I wish they'd stop constantly using her especially when unnecessary.
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Post by ¯\_(ツ)_/¯IvyStar¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on Feb 3, 2024 19:34:18 GMT -5
I like her, although she did overreact with the entire killing though. She is also a bit overrated so that's that
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Post by Slightdapple on Feb 3, 2024 22:47:32 GMT -5
She was interesting in her novella, but neutral/ mixed feelings on her as a character.
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Post by کیوان on Feb 3, 2024 23:39:02 GMT -5
She was interesting, at least. Shows how far the fandom can go with a single character.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Feb 4, 2024 1:41:09 GMT -5
Can't stand her at all. Of all the villains still kicking it had to be one of the dullest/boring ones
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Feb 4, 2024 3:50:15 GMT -5
She's pretty cool. Not anything fantastic but she's cool, I like her
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Non-binary
flipwish
when do we get more hairless warrior cats
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Post by flipwish on Feb 4, 2024 12:16:07 GMT -5
I'm less invested in Mapleshade and more invested in waiting to see how long it takes for the fandom as a whole to realize that someone doing bad things later on (murder) does not mean they "deserved" what happened to them (being kicked out with her kittens because of a stupid bs cat law) even if they were "arrogant" or whatever (i don't care if you think she had too much faith in her clanmates / too much confidence they wouldn't kick her out. she didn't do anything wrong morally by having a riverclan mate) and that sometimes (frequently) the clans just kind of suck
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Feb 5, 2024 0:43:26 GMT -5
I'm less invested in Mapleshade and more invested in waiting to see how long it takes for the fandom as a whole to realize that someone doing bad things later on (murder) does not mean they "deserved" what happened to them (being kicked out with her kittens because of a stupid bs cat law) even if they were "arrogant" or whatever (i don't care if you think she had too much faith in her clanmates / too much confidence they wouldn't kick her out. she didn't do anything wrong morally by having a riverclan mate) and that sometimes (frequently) the clans just kind of suck This opinion I have respected for so long. I understand why she went to the dark forest (Killing cats is clearly not okay) however, she didn't do anything wrong beforehand. I know, she had a mate in another clan, but throughout the series this has happened with limited punishment. And what happened to her kits is just horrendous. I mean, they are completely innocent, yet they got exiled as well. However, lying to Frecklewish about the whole "I'm your dead brother's mate" thing was pretty bad. (Although, Frecklewish completely overreacted, assuming that they were her niece and nephews.)
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Feb 5, 2024 1:18:11 GMT -5
I'm less invested in Mapleshade and more invested in waiting to see how long it takes for the fandom as a whole to realize that someone doing bad things later on (murder) does not mean they "deserved" what happened to them (being kicked out with her kittens because of a stupid bs cat law) even if they were "arrogant" or whatever (i don't care if you think she had too much faith in her clanmates / too much confidence they wouldn't kick her out. she didn't do anything wrong morally by having a riverclan mate) and that sometimes (frequently) the clans just kind of suck Although, Frecklewish completely overreacted, assuming that they were her niece and nephews. In her defense, she was going through an insane amount of grief and just projected onto the nearest people. It's not like she really did anything wrong, I mean she loved those kittens and they were under the impression that Birchface really was their father. At least they had a sense of family, and Frecklewish benefited from that by healing through loving the kits. And Mapleshade benefited from having stability in her position in the Clan. They were all benefiting from that, I honestly think they had a pretty good thing going
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Feb 5, 2024 1:33:15 GMT -5
Although, Frecklewish completely overreacted, assuming that they were her niece and nephews. In her defense, she was going through an insane amount of grief and just projected onto the nearest people. It's not like she really did anything wrong, I mean she loved those kittens and they were under the impression that Birchface really was their father. At least they had a sense of family, and Frecklewish benefited from that by healing through loving the kits. And Mapleshade benefited from having stability in her position in the Clan. They were all benefiting from that, I honestly think they had a pretty good thing going I can see where your coming from. And seeing this in a different light, I can agree! Great point! I just wished it had worked out.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 5, 2024 11:39:34 GMT -5
Although, Frecklewish completely overreacted, assuming that they were her niece and nephews. It's not like she really did anything wrong, I mean she loved those kittens and they were under the impression that Birchface really was their father. Ehh, I feel like that definitely makes her worse, to me at least, considering how fast she was to call them "creatures", then yell for their exile the loudest out of all the cats. Not to mention, she did stalk Mapleshade and her kits to the river, and left them struggling without even lifting a paw to try and help them. I just don't really see a world where if she really loved those kits in any capacity that she would have just walked away while they were drowning and fighting for their lives. Even before the whole situation, she and her father were pretty eager to raise the kits as tools to avenge Birchface, even Mapleshade pointed out how wrong it would have been.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Feb 5, 2024 16:26:30 GMT -5
It's not like she really did anything wrong, I mean she loved those kittens and they were under the impression that Birchface really was their father. Ehh, I feel like that definitely makes her worse, to me at least, considering how fast she was to call them "creatures", then yell for their exile the loudest out of all the cats. Not to mention, she did stalk Mapleshade and her kits to the river, and left them struggling without even lifting a paw to try and help them. I just don't really see a world where if she really loved those kits in any capacity that she would have just walked away while they were drowning and fighting for their lives. Even before the whole situation, she and her father were pretty eager to raise the kits as tools to avenge Birchface, even Mapleshade pointed out how wrong it would have been. Never thought about that. You've got a point.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 5, 2024 18:17:57 GMT -5
She's great fodder for introducing me to new girlboss songs with her many MAPs and PMV's.
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Post by thewinterblaze on Feb 6, 2024 0:39:39 GMT -5
Her fans have ruined her for me, she's a cool villain and Warriors needs more she-cat baddies but holy **** do the people that defend her drive me up a wall
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Post by forcepaw on Feb 6, 2024 5:25:04 GMT -5
Sure murdering everyone and having kits with a bad mate wasn't exactly... kind. However I found this just makes her more interesting as a character. I also don't believe she deserved exile. bad mate? Appledusk isn’t bad, sure he made some mistakes like everyone else but he had logical reasoning behind it.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 6, 2024 13:11:54 GMT -5
Neutral. Should have just kept her as someone who wanted to kill off Appledusk's bloodline and not shoehorn her into other cats' stories. She's a cool villain and interesting, but feels extremely overused.
Her hardcore defenders also kind of annoy me. She's a victim, yes, but that doesn't excuse what she did either.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 6, 2024 13:16:58 GMT -5
Sure murdering everyone and having kits with a bad mate wasn't exactly... kind. However I found this just makes her more interesting as a character. I also don't believe she deserved exile. bad mate? Appledusk isn’t bad, sure he made some mistakes like everyone else but he had logical reasoning behind it. He was actively cheating on both Reedshine and Mapleshade?
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 6, 2024 21:31:57 GMT -5
Mostly neutral. I also think she was overused, so that ruined a bit of her character.
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Feb 7, 2024 0:36:03 GMT -5
I'm sick of being reffered to as a "crazy defender." I have every right to defend her. I'm not saying I defend her when she started murdering everyone, however that doesn't excuse the fact that she didn't do anything wrong beforehand. I mean, sure, she took a mate in another clan, but that isn't exactly the worst thing ever. She didn't lie to Frecklewish as Frecklewish overreacted about the kits (She was grieving and I understand why she overreacted, but none of that is even Mapleshade's fault) and having kits wasn't exactly a choice, was it?
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Post by forcepaw on Feb 7, 2024 3:49:02 GMT -5
bad mate? Appledusk isn’t bad, sure he made some mistakes like everyone else but he had logical reasoning behind it. He was actively cheating on both Reedshine and Mapleshade? Appledusk was in a abusive relationship with maple, she was way too possessive and controlling so naturally he tried to move on and get away from her, he obv couldn’t break up with her
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 7, 2024 9:01:03 GMT -5
He was actively cheating on both Reedshine and Mapleshade? Appledusk was in a abusive relationship with maple, she was way too possessive and controlling so naturally he tried to move on and get away from her, he obv couldn’t break up with her In no way were they in an abusive relationship, so don't water down the term. They were perfectly fine with one another until the kit-drowning situation where he threw her under the bus to stay in his own Clan. Prior to that he was actively cheating on both Mapleshade AND Reedshine, and both of them were shocked. There is nothing implying that he was trying to "move on and get away from her" when in the end they only broke up cause he got caught. You're free to have your own opinions, but that doesn't change what is canonly fact.
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Post by thewinterblaze on Feb 7, 2024 23:30:41 GMT -5
I'm sick of being reffered to as a "crazy defender." I have every right to defend her. I'm not saying I defend her when she started murdering everyone, however that doesn't excuse the fact that she didn't do anything wrong beforehand. I mean, sure, she took a mate in another clan, but that isn't exactly the worst thing ever. She didn't lie to Frecklewish as Frecklewish overreacted about the kits (She was grieving and I understand why she overreacted, but none of that is even Mapleshade's fault) and having kits wasn't exactly a choice, was it? No one's calling you specifically a crazy defender, I think we're mostly referring to the ten year olds who think Maple is some girlboss.
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Pansexual
Medicine cat
Nettle
woof woof
Pronouns: She/her, They/them.
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Post by Nettle on Feb 8, 2024 0:20:39 GMT -5
I'm sick of being reffered to as a "crazy defender." I have every right to defend her. I'm not saying I defend her when she started murdering everyone, however that doesn't excuse the fact that she didn't do anything wrong beforehand. I mean, sure, she took a mate in another clan, but that isn't exactly the worst thing ever. She didn't lie to Frecklewish as Frecklewish overreacted about the kits (She was grieving and I understand why she overreacted, but none of that is even Mapleshade's fault) and having kits wasn't exactly a choice, was it? No one's calling you specifically a crazy defender, I think we're mostly referring to the ten year olds who think Maple is some girlboss. It's really the general Maple fandom, but I appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 1:42:17 GMT -5
I do really like mapleshade, she's one of my favorite characters, i just think it's funny when people say "sure she killed cats but..." like, there's no but for murder. Murder is murder.
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