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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 11, 2023 22:11:50 GMT -5
The Broken Code is one of the worst arcs. I always assumed the fandom didn't like it but that was not true. So I guess I'm in the minority. But I hate the pacing and squirrelflight in this arc. I'm indifferent about the characters and I really didn't care when Bristlefrost died. (Whoo just had to get that off my chest.) Of course, if you love this arc go ahead! You’re right and you should say it
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Post by Nettle on Dec 12, 2023 0:03:21 GMT -5
Idk if this is hot, but oh well-
Flametail's death wasn't upsetting. It was interesting, sure, but it most certainly wasn't sad.
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Post by crowflightstar on Dec 12, 2023 0:44:44 GMT -5
Firestar shouldn't have gone on the quest to bring back SkyClan, Sorreltail should have. Bluestar should have gone to the dark forest ???? Literally why to both of these? Sorreltail would have been an apprentice during Firestar's Quest, and she's a random cat to send to rebuild Skyclan, regardless of Skyclan blood. And why would Bluestar go to the DF?? These are certainly takes... When Sorreltail was a kit, she was given a lot of chapters and set up with a lot of potential. She even survived eating deathberries. I thought she would grow up to do something great, but she just fades into the background. It would have made for a nice super addition for her to go on the quest instead. Bluestar should go to the dark forest because she froze one if her kits to death and she renounced StarClan.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 12, 2023 0:50:51 GMT -5
TPB isn't that great will always be my go-to!
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 12, 2023 0:52:09 GMT -5
???? Literally why to both of these? Sorreltail would have been an apprentice during Firestar's Quest, and she's a random cat to send to rebuild Skyclan, regardless of Skyclan blood. And why would Bluestar go to the DF?? These are certainly takes... When Sorreltail was a kit, she was given a lot of chapters and set up with a lot of potential. She even survived eating deathberries. I thought she would grow up to do something great, but she just fades into the background. It would have made for a nice super addition for her to go on the quest instead. Bluestar should go to the dark forest because she froze one if her kits to death and she renounced StarClan. Okay, but not only was Sorreltail an apprentice at the time, but the entire point of Cloudstar giving the quest to Firestar specifically was because he was one of the few Clan cats who didn't have Clan blood at all. As for Bluestar, Mosskit's death was very clearly an accident she ended up regretting for the rest of her life in effort to save her Clan, and her denouncement of StarClan had more to do with her grief and mental decline than anything she would've genuinely believed otherwise.
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Post by Nettle on Dec 12, 2023 23:17:58 GMT -5
???? Literally why to both of these? Sorreltail would have been an apprentice during Firestar's Quest, and she's a random cat to send to rebuild Skyclan, regardless of Skyclan blood. And why would Bluestar go to the DF?? These are certainly takes... When Sorreltail was a kit, she was given a lot of chapters and set up with a lot of potential. She even survived eating deathberries. I thought she would grow up to do something great, but she just fades into the background. It would have made for a nice super addition for her to go on the quest instead. Bluestar should go to the dark forest because she froze one if her kits to death and she renounced StarClan. So you're saying by protecting her kits Bluestar should go to the DF???? That Bluestar one is on fire.
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Post by Nettle on Dec 12, 2023 23:21:50 GMT -5
-BrambleSquirrel is toxic, not abusive -Leopardstar is an absolutely terrible cat and should not have been forgiven so easily. She literally watched Stonefur, her long time deputy get murdered and did nothing about it. Not to mention she would have let the kits her clan could have started a war over just die like they were useless anyways. Also Mistyfoot wtf you just watched this woman let your brother die and now you are totally willing to be her second in command -The sisters aren’t that interesting and their society is very messed up, even if it represents a realistic cat colony -Hollyleaf is better off not having a power as her character is far more interesting without one -Ivypool was pretty terrible to Dovepaw, but Dovewing is terrible to Ivypool -Mapleshade is an absolute bitch and deserves no sympathy whatsoever. If you got cheated on and your kits died that stinks, but let’s not become a serial killer over our own mistakes thank you -Travel books are either super interesting or the most boring filler ever The Leopardstar is one that I completely support. Bruv let her deputy die because she fell in love with Tigerstar 1???? The Hollyleaf one isn't bad- but I thought that it was annoying she didn't get a power bc that was just bad writing. Ivypool my love <3. I think all of these aren't hot at all!! These are all very reasonable I think.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Dec 12, 2023 23:42:39 GMT -5
-BrambleSquirrel is toxic, not abusive -Leopardstar is an absolutely terrible cat and should not have been forgiven so easily. She literally watched Stonefur, her long time deputy get murdered and did nothing about it. Not to mention she would have let the kits her clan could have started a war over just die like they were useless anyways. Also Mistyfoot wtf you just watched this woman let your brother die and now you are totally willing to be her second in command -The sisters aren’t that interesting and their society is very messed up, even if it represents a realistic cat colony -Hollyleaf is better off not having a power as her character is far more interesting without one -Ivypool was pretty terrible to Dovepaw, but Dovewing is terrible to Ivypool -Mapleshade is an absolute bitch and deserves no sympathy whatsoever. If you got cheated on and your kits died that stinks, but let’s not become a serial killer over our own mistakes thank you -Travel books are either super interesting or the most boring filler ever The Leopardstar is one that I completely support. Bruv let her deputy die because she fell in love with Tigerstar 1???? This one was actually reconned when Leopardstar's Honor came out a few years ago. The book makes reference to it at least once, but she was never actually in love with him and instead allied with him both out of a genuine desire to strengthen her Clan and also because she bought into the lies he was telling her about Firestar; she'd already had a deep disdain for ThunderClan at this point, so that didn't help either.
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Post by {Azure} on Dec 12, 2023 23:47:46 GMT -5
bluestar was a bad cat, no df material, just... not good
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Post by Nettle on Dec 13, 2023 0:02:20 GMT -5
bluestar was a bad cat, no df material, just... not good YOU ARE ON ABSOLOUTE FIRE RIGHT NOW. lol
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 13, 2023 0:53:03 GMT -5
Idk if this is hot, but oh well- Flametail's death wasn't upsetting. It was interesting, sure, but it most certainly wasn't sad. I second this. I didn't really read much of PoT when it first came out, where we were introduced to Flamepaw and then Flametail so I might not have as much of a connection to Flame but his death seemed pretty minor to me
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Post by nilethewarriorcat on Dec 13, 2023 1:40:05 GMT -5
Not sure if these are hot takes, but…
Spottedleaf is so irrelevant her only purpose was to deliver a prophecy then just kick the bucket
Oml Firestar is such a bad character. Ima be honest, I hate him so much. He feels over rated and I think people try to make him into more than he is. Sure he was an absolute hero and the series wouldn’t exist without him, I just don’t see much of a personality.
Finally, Tigerclawstar was a terrible villain. He so much potential, a decent motive, but he kinda threw it all way. One reason I think this is absolutely zero suspicion from his clan mates, except the apprentices. I feel that some cats should have been suspicious, and maybe pushed those thoughts away because he had good reasoning. Not gonna keep going cuz if I do ima write to much
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Post by Nettle on Dec 15, 2023 4:23:36 GMT -5
Oml Firestar is such a bad character. Ima be honest, I hate him so much. He feels over rated and I think people try to make him into more than he is. Sure he was an absolute hero and the series wouldn’t exist without him, I just don’t see much of a personality. HELL NAH THIS IS ROASTING HOT. lol I love this, "Sure he was an absolute hero and the series wouldn't exist without him," ((No hate for this, btw))
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Dec 15, 2023 7:36:11 GMT -5
Oml Firestar is such a bad character. Ima be honest, I hate him so much. He feels over rated and I think people try to make him into more than he is. Sure he was an absolute hero and the series wouldn’t exist without him, I just don’t see much of a personality. And here, everyone, is a perfect example of what I said on the “opinions the make you mad” thread. No hate on you, but honestly this opinion makes my blood boil. If you actually payed attention to his character you’d see he has more character development and depth in story then 90% of any other characters in the series. But whatever, it’s your opinion I guess.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Dec 15, 2023 12:40:37 GMT -5
Don't know how exactly burning these takes are, but i'll say it:
1. Appledusk did nothing wrong except his cheating. Reedshine, Frecklewish and Ravenwing were all victims.
2. I've never hated Leopardstar or Blackstar despite how antagonizing they seemed. In fact i always loved the mayhem they caused.
3.Onestar's character was never butchered, and had lots of development behind the scenes that makes sense for his character to be morally gray. Negative character development is a thing, and interesting for the story.
4. Lionblaze should have been punished a lot more after killing Russetfur. Unintentional or not, you don't get away with killing a cat like that. (I understand that she was also biting Firestar's throat, but two wrongs don't make a right. And she already died, so can't say anything else.)
5. The Sisters are not supposed to be a morally right, perfect society, for them to be good characters and well-written. No society in Warriors leaves without flaws (The Sisters' Gender discrimination, the Clans looking down upon cats who are plump, blood heritage, etc).
6. The New Prophecy was far more interesting than A Vision of Shadows.
7. Dovewing is far more interesting and has better depth than Ivypool. She is an incredibly complex & realistic cat, and receiving "She is whiny" shouts just because she shows emotion unlike other far more robotic protagonists always pisses me off.
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Post by {Azure} on Dec 15, 2023 12:44:40 GMT -5
Don't know how exactly burning these takes are, but i'll say it: 1. Appledusk did nothing wrong except his cheating. Reedshine, Frecklewish and Ravenwing were all victims. 2. I've never hated Leopardstar or Blackstar despite how antagonizing they seemed. In fact i always loved the mayhem they caused. 3.Onestar's character was never butchered, and had lots of development behind the scenes that makes sense for his character to be morally gray. Negative character development is a thing, and interesting for the story. 4. Lionblaze should have been punished a lot more after killing Russetfur. Unintentional or not, you don't get away with killing a cat like that. (I understand that she was also biting Firestar's throat, but two wrongs don't make a right. And she already died, so can't say anything else.) 5. The Sisters are not supposed to be a morally right, perfect society, for them to be good characters and well-written. No society in Warriors leaves without flaws (The Sisters' Gender discrimination, the Clans looking down upon cats who are plump, blood heritage, etc). 6. The New Prophecy was far more interesting than A Vision of Shadows. 7. Dovewing is far more interesting and has better depth than Ivypool. She is an incredibly complex & realistic cat, and receiving "She is whiny" shouts just because she shows emotion unlike other far more robotic protagonists always pisses me off. some of these will get you killed
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Dec 15, 2023 12:47:23 GMT -5
Don't know how exactly burning these takes are, but i'll say it: 1. Appledusk did nothing wrong except his cheating. Reedshine, Frecklewish and Ravenwing were all victims. 2. I've never hated Leopardstar or Blackstar despite how antagonizing they seemed. In fact i always loved the mayhem they caused. 3.Onestar's character was never butchered, and had lots of development behind the scenes that makes sense for his character to be morally gray. Negative character development is a thing, and interesting for the story. 4. Lionblaze should have been punished a lot more after killing Russetfur. Unintentional or not, you don't get away with killing a cat like that. (I understand that she was also biting Firestar's throat, but two wrongs don't make a right. And she already died, so can't say anything else.) 5. The Sisters are not supposed to be a morally right, perfect society, for them to be good characters and well-written. No society in Warriors leaves without flaws (The Sisters' Gender discrimination, the Clans looking down upon cats who are plump, blood heritage, etc). 6. The New Prophecy was far more interesting than A Vision of Shadows. 7. Dovewing is far more interesting and has better depth than Ivypool. She is an incredibly complex & realistic cat, and receiving "She is whiny" shouts just because she shows emotion unlike other far more robotic protagonists always pisses me off. some of these will get you killed Next year i will accomplish 8 years in the Fandom, i'm used to it
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Post by rabbit on Dec 16, 2023 13:02:25 GMT -5
misandrit - this fandom really seems not caring about toxic against men, this fandom literally said to me "Well, women get abuse worse everday" Yeah, I don’t want to start an argument but I want to clarify something or give some perspective on this. Misandry is not equal to misogyny and it’s not even close. The fact that women and girls cannot freely go where ever they want without worrying about some man possibly stalking, violating their boundaries, or planning to do awful things to them is only a small part of it. There is a reason why people rant about men and it’s not because they are misandrist but because the world is filled and controlled by many misogynistic men.
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Post by thewinterblaze on Dec 16, 2023 21:10:56 GMT -5
This fandom is everything they claimed the erins that being Ableist misandrist (claimed the Erins hate women) Biases, some other things to lazy to list it Biases - Making Squirrelflight, Mapleshade look like victims, didn't wrong and was "abuse" by the toms they love misandrit - this fandom really seems not caring about toxic against men, this fandom literally said to me "Well, women get abuse worse everday" ableist - The fandom made jayfeather can't see it, he is blind jokes way too much and it's not funny If this was tumblr I'd agree but this is like the polar opposite of tumblr I doubt anyone on this forum thinks Mapleshade is in the right, and I've never seen anyone on here worship Squilf and bash Bramblestar like the aforementioned tumblr users do.
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Post by nilethewarriorcat on Dec 17, 2023 12:07:18 GMT -5
Oml Firestar is such a bad character. Ima be honest, I hate him so much. He feels over rated and I think people try to make him into more than he is. Sure he was an absolute hero and the series wouldn’t exist without him, I just don’t see much of a personality. And here, everyone, is a perfect example of what I said on the “opinions the make you mad” thread. No hate on you, but honestly this opinion makes my blood boil. If you actually payed attention to his character you’d see he has more character development and depth in story then 90% of any other characters in the series. But whatever, it’s your opinion I guess. Sorry! I didn’t realize that this wasn’t a hot take!
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Post by Nettle on Dec 17, 2023 15:54:44 GMT -5
4. Lionblaze should have been punished a lot more after killing Russetfur. Unintentional or not, you don't get away with killing a cat like that. (I understand that she was also biting Firestar's throat, but two wrongs don't make a right. And she already died, so can't say anything else.) And how many more lives would she have taken before she let go? Or if she let go at all? She was old, and she shouldn't have been fighting in that battle, according to pretty much everyone apart from Shadowclan.
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Post by Nettle on Dec 17, 2023 15:58:34 GMT -5
And here, everyone, is a perfect example of what I said on the “opinions the make you mad” thread. No hate on you, but honestly this opinion makes my blood boil. If you actually payed attention to his character you’d see he has more character development and depth in story then 90% of any other characters in the series. But whatever, it’s your opinion I guess. Sorry! I didn’t realize that this wasn’t a hot take! THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE HOTTEST TAKE I THINK I'VE EVER SEEN OMG I'M GOING TO BLEACH MY EYES AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. ((Jk, no hate in your opinion <3))
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Post by Nettle on Dec 17, 2023 16:01:04 GMT -5
Hot take alert: Shadowclan nasty. For two reasons: One, damn that territory gross, firckin eatin frogs. And two, why they gotta be so mean??? Like, they literally kidnapped an APPRENTICE in exchange for HERBS, threatening to harm her in the case they didn't give up herbs. ((The apprentice was Ivypaw When she was catching Dovepaw meeting Tigerheart in the fourth series, in which Tigerheart said she was caught inside the border.
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Post by ᦓρ꠸ᥴꫀᠻꪖꪀᧁ on Dec 17, 2023 19:44:59 GMT -5
And here, everyone, is a perfect example of what I said on the “opinions the make you mad” thread. No hate on you, but honestly this opinion makes my blood boil. If you actually payed attention to his character you’d see he has more character development and depth in story then 90% of any other characters in the series. But whatever, it’s your opinion I guess. Sorry! I didn’t realize that this wasn’t a hot take! No, it is a hot take. Just not one with the best evidence lol.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 18, 2023 12:16:11 GMT -5
misandrit - this fandom really seems not caring about toxic against men, this fandom literally said to me "Well, women get abuse worse everday" Yeah, I don’t want to start an argument but I want to clarify something or give some perspective on this. Misandry is not equal to misogyny and it’s not even close. The fact that women and girls cannot freely go where ever they want without worrying about some man possibly stalking, violating their boundaries, or planning to do awful things to them is only a small part of it. There is a reason why people rant about men and it’s not because they are misandrist but because the world is filled and controlled by many misogynistic men. regardless of what I personally think about this, I think you missed the OP’s point. Which is that whenever someone points out that the fandom can be misandrist toward male characters (think of how many people think the Sisters are girlbosses who did nothing wrong), the usual defense is “Well, females have it worse,” as if that justifies misandry.
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Post by rabbit on Dec 18, 2023 17:48:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t want to start an argument but I want to clarify something or give some perspective on this. Misandry is not equal to misogyny and it’s not even close. The fact that women and girls cannot freely go where ever they want without worrying about some man possibly stalking, violating their boundaries, or planning to do awful things to them is only a small part of it. There is a reason why people rant about men and it’s not because they are misandrist but because the world is filled and controlled by many misogynistic men. regardless of what I personally think about this, I think you missed the OP’s point. Which is that whenever someone points out that the fandom can be misandrist toward male characters (think of how many people think the Sisters are girlbosses who did nothing wrong), the usual defense is “Well, females have it worse,” as if that justifies misandry. Nah, I don’t think I missed OP’s point. That’s all I’m going to say.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 18, 2023 19:03:29 GMT -5
regardless of what I personally think about this, I think you missed the OP’s point. Which is that whenever someone points out that the fandom can be misandrist toward male characters (think of how many people think the Sisters are girlbosses who did nothing wrong), the usual defense is “Well, females have it worse,” as if that justifies misandry. Nah, I don’t think I missed OP’s point. That’s all I’m going to say. ??? Can you please clarify? I'm genuinely confused. Your initial response said that misogyny happens more often than misandry, that women are abused more, and that women ranting about men as a result is not misandry. But none of those are things OP suggested or claimed, hence my assumption that you had misunderstood their post. The response seemed to be making counterpoints to things that weren't said?
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Post by {Azure} on Dec 18, 2023 19:07:27 GMT -5
*grabs popcorn*
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Dec 20, 2023 9:28:47 GMT -5
4. Lionblaze should have been punished a lot more after killing Russetfur. Unintentional or not, you don't get away with killing a cat like that. (I understand that she was also biting Firestar's throat, but two wrongs don't make a right. And she already died, so can't say anything else.) And how many more lives would she have taken before she let go? Or if she let go at all? She was old, and she shouldn't have been fighting in that battle, according to pretty much everyone apart from Shadowclan. There's certainly ways to prevent a fight without killing one of them.
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