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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:43:02 GMT -5
They've tried, but the apprentices literally don't care. There was one big scene where Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, Crowfrost, Dawnpelt, Snowbird, Stonewing, Kinkfur, Oakfur and a few of the older warriors scolded the apprentices for their behavior and attempted to punish them, but they didn't give a single care. They just continued to back talk, insult StarClan as well as their parents and mentors because they just gave up caring about the rules. Even after being punished, Needlepaw broke the rules by sending Violetkit out to meet with Rain, because she cared more about Rain liking her than her Clan. But so far their only reasoning is that ShadowClan is "weak" because they follow the rules. The apprentices basically want to abolish the warrior code and run around like rogues, because they think it makes them empowered and strong. Pretty much just how things were during Brokenstar's reign. That is very stupid and I dislike that idea. But, at least it's original. Do you remember how they were punished? Was it something like they had to hunt/take care of the elders or was it more along the lines of no gathering? Needlepaw was the only one to be punished so far. Her punishment is taking care of the elders for as long as Rowanstar says. She was the only one to get punished because she snuck Violetkit out of camp and wasted a whole training day with the rogues, and then proceeded to start the fight between the apprentices and warriors. The other apprentices should have been punished too, but for whatever reason they weren't. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 4, 2016 23:47:34 GMT -5
That is very stupid and I dislike that idea. But, at least it's original. Do you remember how they were punished? Was it something like they had to hunt/take care of the elders or was it more along the lines of no gathering? Needlepaw was the only one to be punished so far. Her punishment is taking care of the elders for as long as Rowanstar says. She was the only one to get punished because she snuck Violetkit out of camp and wasted a whole training day with the rogues, and then proceeded to start the fight between the apprentices and warriors. The other apprentices should have been punished too, but for whatever reason they weren't. Ah okay and yeah, they should've been. The only reason why they were was probably because the Erins needed a way to create future drama. Though a way I would've punish them would be bring them all to a gathering and apologize to every cat, making sure they were thoroughly embarrassed. To add icing to the cake, I would've also made sure they were reminded/had to recite the warrior code until they got their attitude in check once again in front of every cat at the gathering. Sometimes to teach a lesson/to have a punishment one may need to be a little embarrassed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 9:07:57 GMT -5
Why don't you like Violetpaw? How is she acting like Needletail?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 11:14:11 GMT -5
Why don't you like Violetpaw? How is she acting like Needletail? It's not that I don't like her. I do like her. She's just slowly falling for the apprentice's values and it bothers me, but I know she can't help it. Like during the fight she starts to question if the rules really are important, which is something Needlepaw and the others put into her head. She never started thinking like this until Needlepaw came around and started taking her to the rogues. I feel like as the book goes on she's going to end up behaving like Needlepaw and that makes me wary of her character and slightly annoyed. It also reminds me of Ivypool with the Dark Forest all over again |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:16:59 GMT -5
Great. Violetkit got kicked out of ShadowClan because of Needlepaw. I wish I could send all the apprentices back to Into the Wild, so they could get their way and live how fhey want. I bet they wouldn't last a day.
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 12:20:15 GMT -5
Great. Violetkit got kicked out of ShadowClan because of Needlepaw. I wish I could send all the apprentices back to Into the Wild, so they could get their way and live how fhey want. I bet they wouldn't last a day. After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2016 12:30:19 GMT -5
Great. Violetkit got kicked out of ShadowClan because of Needlepaw. I wish I could send all the apprentices back to Into the Wild, so they could get their way and live how fhey want. I bet they wouldn't last a day. After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. Or it would've just made them rebel even more. Besides, ShadowClan seems too prideful to do something like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:32:46 GMT -5
Great. Violetkit got kicked out of ShadowClan because of Needlepaw. I wish I could send all the apprentices back to Into the Wild, so they could get their way and live how fhey want. I bet they wouldn't last a day. After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. I'm not even sure that would work, because they don't care about being yelled at or scolded. They take it as a joke it seems. But Needlepaw, Beepaw, Sleekpaw and Juniperpaw left ShadowClan to join the rogues so there is no way Rowanstar can punish them now. I really wonder what happened to ShadowClan. There are so many traitors... Needlepaw's mother, Berryheart, also left. Cloverfoot left too. I just hope these cats learn their lesson. The best way I can think of them learning their lesson right now is for one of them to be killed by the rogues. As cruel as that sounds, it seems like the only way for them to realize their mistake, because nothing so far seems to make them change their mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:37:05 GMT -5
Twigpaw's mentor should have been Dovewing.
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 12:38:17 GMT -5
After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. Or it would've just made them rebel even more. Besides, ShadowClan seems too prideful to do something like that. That's true on both points. I could see the apprentices acting out more and Rowanstar isn't the kind of cat to put his Clan on the spot for misbehaving apprentices. Though that does beg the question, are ShadowClan she-cats/queens/parents too incompetent to have kits? Do they not know how to raise them? Are they kind of like Raggedstar in which they spoil their kits? Also, are the Erins/Harper Collins trying to tell us that none of the parents raise their kits right? Or could it be mob mentality? Wow that is a lot of questions. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 12:41:39 GMT -5
After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. I'm not even sure that would work, because they don't care about being yelled at or scolded. They take it as a joke it seems. But Needlepaw, Beepaw, Sleekpaw and Juniperpaw left ShadowClan to join the rogues so there is no way Rowanstar can punish them now. I really wonder what happened to ShadowClan. There are so many traitors... Needlepaw's mother, Berryheart, also left. Cloverfoot left too. I just hope these cats learn their lesson. The best way I can think of them learning their lesson right now is for one of them to be killed by the rogues. As cruel as that sounds, it seems like the only way for them to realize their mistake, because nothing so far seems to make them change their mind. From what you're telling me, one of them being killed should do it. I can see that one of the apprentices start to regret their choice and decide they want to leave the rouges. I mean, from what I can tell, it all happened so quickly. When they have doubt/want to leave, Darktail either kills or orders for that cat to be killed as an example. Then with the death, the cats are thrown into reality. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2016 12:46:50 GMT -5
After hearing what they were doing, that'd be great. Once they see how innocent kits were dying, that should change their minds. Also, I would've punished them by embarrassing them at the gathering. that would put them in their place after being put on the spot in front of every Clan for their behavior. I'm not even sure that would work, because they don't care about being yelled at or scolded. They take it as a joke it seems. But Needlepaw, Beepaw, Sleekpaw and Juniperpaw left ShadowClan to join the rogues so there is no way Rowanstar can punish them now. I really wonder what happened to ShadowClan. There are so many traitors... Needlepaw's mother, Berryheart, also left. Cloverfoot left too. I just hope these cats learn their lesson. The best way I can think of them learning their lesson right now is for one of them to be killed by the rogues. As cruel as that sounds, it seems like the only way for them to realize their mistake, because nothing so far seems to make them change their mind. Berryheart and Cloverfoot leaving I can understand since Berryheart is Needlepaw's mother and Cloverfoot is Berryheart's sister. Both cats are also Beepaw's sisters. But either way, I agree. It seems like the only way ShadowClan will learn is if something terrible happens to them. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2016 12:49:01 GMT -5
Twigpaw's mentor should have been Dovewing. I completely agree. Ivypool already had an apprentice, and now she's getting another one? Come on, let Dovewing get one for a change! Or any of the other cats who haven't had apprentices yet. It only seems fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 13:13:16 GMT -5
I'm glad Violetpaw has some common sense. However, it does seem like Needletail has rubbed off on her a little too much. When Twigpaw came to speak with her about looking for her mother, Violetpaw was rather cold towards her sister. And later on even thought that Twigpaw was annoying and Needletail was better than her. But at least Violetpaw has enough common sense to leave the rogues and go rejoin ShadowClan. I think Dawnpelt will be a good mentor for her, and I hope Violetpaw ends up staying for good.
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 13:18:24 GMT -5
Twigpaw's mentor should have been Dovewing. I completely agree. Ivypool already had an apprentice, and now she's getting another one? Come on, let Dovewing get one for a change! Or any of the other cats who haven't had apprentices yet. It only seems fair. I like Ivypool, but she doesn't need another apprentice. I mean, are we forgetting about the one cat who was promised one but never got one? Heck, I'm pretty sure Brightheart is the only cat who hasn't gotten an apprentice yet. That's not even including younger warriors like Amberpaw/moon, Snowpaw/bush or Dewnose what about Fernsong, Sorrelstripe and Hollytuft? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 13:40:32 GMT -5
I completely agree. Ivypool already had an apprentice, and now she's getting another one? Come on, let Dovewing get one for a change! Or any of the other cats who haven't had apprentices yet. It only seems fair. I like Ivypool, but she doesn't need another apprentice. I mean, are we forgetting about the one cat who was promised one but never got one? Heck, I'm pretty sure Brightheart is the only cat who hasn't gotten an apprentice yet. That's not even including younger warriors like Amberpaw/moon, Snowpaw/bush or Dewnose what about Fernsong, Sorrelstripe and Hollytuft? Birchfall also hasn't had an apprentice, unless he ends up getting Lark, Leaf or Honey. I'm not that far in to see who their mentors are. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 13:48:20 GMT -5
I like Ivypool, but she doesn't need another apprentice. I mean, are we forgetting about the one cat who was promised one but never got one? Heck, I'm pretty sure Brightheart is the only cat who hasn't gotten an apprentice yet. That's not even including younger warriors like Amberpaw/moon, Snowpaw/bush or Dewnose what about Fernsong, Sorrelstripe and Hollytuft? Birchfall also hasn't had an apprentice, unless he ends up getting Lark, Leaf or Honey. I'm not that far in to see who their mentors are. You're right, I didn't realize that. I've heard of their mentors, but I forgot who mentors Lilyheart's kits. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 13:51:30 GMT -5
Birchfall also hasn't had an apprentice, unless he ends up getting Lark, Leaf or Honey. I'm not that far in to see who their mentors are. You're right, I didn't realize that. I've heard of their mentors, but I forgot who mentors Lilyheart's kits. I think Rosepetal gets one of them, but I'm not sure which one. I have no idea about the other two. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 5, 2016 13:56:38 GMT -5
You're right, I didn't realize that. I've heard of their mentors, but I forgot who mentors Lilyheart's kits. I think Rosepetal gets one of them, but I'm not sure which one. I have no idea about the other two. Yeah, Rosepetal sounds right and I think maybe Bumblestripe gets another though I don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 13:59:42 GMT -5
I think Rosepetal gets one of them, but I'm not sure which one. I have no idea about the other two. Yeah, Rosepetal sounds right and I think maybe Bumblestripe gets another though I don't know. Molewhisker is Honeypaw's mentor. Rosepetal is Larkpaw's. And Bumblestripe is Leafpaws |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 14:20:40 GMT -5
Well, Onestar sure is losing it. I don't think he's going to be around much longer. He'll probably die in the next book or something.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 5, 2016 14:59:57 GMT -5
I actually don't think Dovewing is suitable to be a mentor yet. Birchfall should get an apprentice before her, as well as Brightheart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 15:01:55 GMT -5
I actually don't think Dovewing is suitable to be a mentor yet. Birchfall should get an apprentice before her, as well as Brightheart. Just curious why you think this? |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 5, 2016 15:05:20 GMT -5
I actually don't think Dovewing is suitable to be a mentor yet. Birchfall should get an apprentice before her, as well as Brightheart. Just curious why you think this? |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2016 15:28:32 GMT -5
Just curious why you think this? But several moons have already passed since Bramblestar's Storm. Dovewing was kind of immature in the book yes, but that's only because she was depressed over losing her powers to the point of feeling useless. She seems to have gotten used to being without them by now since she doesn't seem to be depressed over it any more. And many other cats have already been mentors before her. From SotM up to TAS, Rosepetal has trained Molewhisker, Fernsong, and now Larkpaw. Foxleap has trained Cherryfall. Ivypool has trained Snowbush and now Twigpaw. Whitewing trained Dewnose. Spiderleg trained Ambermoon. Poppyfrost trained Lilyheart. Bumblestripe has trained Seedpaw and now Leafpaw. Squirrelflight trained Stormcloud. Brackenfur trained Sorrelstripe. Cloudtail/Blossomfall trained Hollytuft. Molewhisker has trained Alderpaw and now Honeypaw. Cherryfall trained Sparkpelt. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 15:38:57 GMT -5
Alderpaw, Fernsong and Ivypool took Twigpaw back to the spot to find her mother, but there was nothing. Twigpaw is taking it really hard. She really wants to find her mother, but she now believes that she is dead. One part about this confused me though. They all saw a white cat on the Thunderpath, and when it got hit by a monster it exploded into fluff. I don't know if that was supposed to be an omen for her mother, or if it was just a random stuffed animal that flew off a car.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 5, 2016 15:45:25 GMT -5
From what I heard in BrS, she wasn't exactly the most mature. Granted a lot of cats aren't mature, yet, I think she should wait a few moons to get one. I also think other cats should get an apprentice before her. But several moons have already passed since Bramblestar's Storm. Dovewing was kind of immature in the book yes, but that's only because she was depressed over losing her powers to the point of feeling useless. She seems to have gotten used to being without them by now since she doesn't seem to be depressed over it any more. And many other cats have already been mentors before her. From SotM up to TAS, Rosepetal has trained Molewhisker, Fernsong, and now Larkpaw. Foxleap has trained Cherryfall. Ivypool has trained Snowbush and now Twigpaw. Whitewing trained Dewnose. Spiderleg trained Ambermoon. Poppyfrost trained Lilyheart. Bumblestripe has trained Seedpaw and now Leafpaw. Squirrelflight trained Stormcloud. Brackenfur trained Sorrelstripe. Cloudtail/Blossomfall trained Hollytuft. Molewhisker has trained Alderpaw and now Honeypaw. Cherryfall trained Sparkpelt. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 5, 2016 16:07:27 GMT -5
But several moons have already passed since Bramblestar's Storm. Dovewing was kind of immature in the book yes, but that's only because she was depressed over losing her powers to the point of feeling useless. She seems to have gotten used to being without them by now since she doesn't seem to be depressed over it any more. And many other cats have already been mentors before her. From SotM up to TAS, Rosepetal has trained Molewhisker, Fernsong, and now Larkpaw. Foxleap has trained Cherryfall. Ivypool has trained Snowbush and now Twigpaw. Whitewing trained Dewnose. Spiderleg trained Ambermoon. Poppyfrost trained Lilyheart. Bumblestripe has trained Seedpaw and now Leafpaw. Squirrelflight trained Stormcloud. Brackenfur trained Sorrelstripe. Cloudtail/Blossomfall trained Hollytuft. Molewhisker has trained Alderpaw and now Honeypaw. Cherryfall trained Sparkpelt. Birchfall yes, but not Brightheart. And who says she and her father can't get apprentices at the same time? Cats around the same age as her and younger than her have already been mentors, so I see no reason why she shouldn't be one as well. Same goes for Birchfall. And yes, Dovewing has been shown to be a bit of a pushover, especially when it came to the Clan pressuring her to be with Bumblestripe, who she broke up with, but she has been maturing, just very slowly. It doesn't help that now she's become a background character. |
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 5, 2016 16:25:19 GMT -5
Twigpaw's mentor should have been Dovewing. Yes, yes she should have. |
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